/mg/ - Maritime General #3

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Once worked for a bit on this beauty. Used to take tourists on "whale watching" tours where there were really nothing but porpoises and the occasional seal. Once we saw a Fin Whale though. What a summer.

>making it a general
>making a thread BEFORE the other thread dies
I'm quoting you, OP.

>>1021167
>takes too long to sail
Well shit man, when you're loading twenties one at a time with a straddle carrier and an ancient winch, it takes a while. That's a scab operation if I've ever seen one.

>>1021172
Sounds chill as fuck.

>>1021231
I know, right? Shoulda at least waited til the old one hit autosage.

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Took a roadtrip up north and passed through Oakland/San Fran. My two homies are both ilwu casuals, and one of them has been an IBU man on and off (inland boatman's union) for like 15 years now. So over the year's I've heard him talk about negotiating contracts with different companies and where the industry is headed. We're going into SF and there are barges and he's telling me how up there it's not uncommon for a barge operation to be run with just a skipper and a deckhand, whereas in LA/LB, if it's a union gig, the norm is that a deckhand always has a partner that isnt a captain, for instance another deckhand or maybe a tankerman. Basically his main talking point was that the job isnt as good as it used to be, companies are getting away with greed and every contract it's harder and harder to hold on to what you have.

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>>1021666
It's always been shit for inland barge work. The work on the inland rivers is more difficult, dangerous, pays less, and requires uneven time weighted towards the boat. NYC union barge work is where it's at

>>1021804
What are the yellow cylinders?

>>1021928
Not the poster but
What yellow cylinders?
Lel at that chair in the middle of the deck

>>1022068
The yellow cylinders on the floor.

>>1021928
>>1022176
The thin yellow pipes close to deck? Those are conduits. Each tank has sensors for measuring how much cargo is in the tank, temperature, etc. Those protect the wires providing power and sending signal back to the load computer

>>1022068
I lel'd at that chair too. Seems oddly out of place and yet it also seems like thats exactly where it should be.

Consider the following scenario:
a wide river/harbour/water body (a few km wide) separate two urban area apart.
Tunnels/bridges/ferries connecting the two area are excessively congested
And one guy need to travel across that body of water as part of daily commute
Would it be economical and/or time-saving for that person to get a jet ski as part of their daily commute?
What other thing should that people concern if the water body in question is also part of a major international shipping route?

>>1021666
>>1021804
Unions are what is holding the industry back. Unleash the free market and you'll see better employment opportunities and wages for everyone involved.

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>>1022960
>t. boat owner

Mariners are historically an abused workforce. Being stuck on a boat for months and months and months, without a proper relief or supply is why organizations like the seaman's church developed.
Busted unions and deregulation, i.e. Jones Act, would gut the employment of the tug/barge fleet, which is the vast bulk of the US flagged fleet. Wage scales and schedules are driven by unions negotiating with large companies. The non-union companies in New York
(Bouchard, Buchanan, McAllister, etc) are compelled to match the rates of union companies (Reinauer, Moran, namely) to attract workers. On the east coast, the further you get from NYC and unionized ports, the worse the pay gets.

The extreme example is unorganized labor on the inland waterways. Pay is much worse, schedules are generally uneven, and the work is a multitude more difficult and dangerous.

I'd really like you to play out a scenario where breaking up unions does anything but reduce the labor force and renumeration thereof. The company I work for has one of the highest payscales on the east coast, and somehow they still make money hand over fist.

>>1022922
>the motherfucking JP
Do I work with you, anon?

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>>1022993
No lol, I work for a small harbor tug company.
I snapped that pic while we were on our way bsck to the dock after docking a ship.
Pic related is the tug I work on

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>>1023005
Ahh, I gotcha. Funny to see a boat I know so well pop up on the 5chins.

I'll keep an eye out for Frank M.; might be passing through your area (on a different boat) sometime this month.

>>1023019
(Took this pic in Sydney)

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>>1023019
Oh that's a beyel bros boat, they've got a few of them that I see down here every once in a while.
Who do you work for?

>>1022960
Collective bargaining is a natural result OF the free market, bruh. Labor is a commodity.

>>1022953

Istanbul?

>>1023052
Istanbul is probably one of the many places that would fit the description

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>>1022953
>not commuting to work on your jetski just to hassle the rookies

>>1022880
Neat! Thank you.

>>1020658
what does it take to get headhunted by noaa

Does sea sickness go away the more your out on the ocean? I never get sea sick from choppy lake water in a small 16ft so I hope that even big wave would eventually be some I get used to.

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>>1022951
The barge moves, the chair stays

>>1024029
The only answer to that is kind of unsatisfactory. It varies from person to person. Some guys aren't affected at all, others can barely function in a storm.

Me, well, I guess you can say I get used to it. The only time I really get seasick is in a quartering stern sea that makes the boat sort of do a ''corkscrew' motion of pitching and yawing. We head out into that and I'll probably hurl the first day, but then my body sort of adjusts to the motion and I'm better.

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>>1024221
You on a McAllister ATB?

>>1024262
Nevermind the ATB thing, just noticed that's a wire boat.

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Bump
This neat guy came through the inlet the other day

>>1022969
Kirby's in the process of phasing out SIU in favor of their in house bargaining company RTBU, RTBU sucks with lower wages and less holidays.

I hate the smell of the ocean and ocean people. It's so depressing.

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Caught a dock piling or something in the anchor chain a couple weeks back. Took two hours to get it out.

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>>1026529
how even

>>1026849
Dunno, we were heaving and it came out of the water with the chain. Looked fairly new too.

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The Matsonian is a pile of shit. What a fucking relic. Most narrow ramps on a RoRo vessel ever. The lights went out at one point. It was dark for like 15 minutes. Matson has another vessel, the Mahi Mahi that's also half roro half container, but that ship used to be a passenger vessel that was converted to a cargo ship, and even that ship has better, safer ramps than this rust bucket. I asked one of the mates if the matsonian was also a passenger ship, and he said no it was designed like this.

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>>1027521
we've got a similar piece of shit rust bucket RORO ship here
it's called the Monarch Queen, I'm surprised it stays afloat with a crew that incompetent
(not my pic)

>>1027521

>rust bucket

Looks clean to me

>lights went off for 15 mins once!

babbys first outage. Shit happens bruh.

>>1027594
If that's what the ship looks like the its definitely not a rust bucket.

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>>1027594
>looks clean to me
>Shit happens bruh.
You must work with some garbage vessels.

>>1027618
You can literally see rust all over it.

This is what a proper roro ship looks like

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And another. Note the lack of rust? Amazing, isnt it.

>>1027634
>>1027635

The first photo doesnt even show the ship. The second is in the shade and i am still looking at either rust or dirt streaks.

All it takes is one blown LED and then you have to check 20 light fixtures because the breaker keeps popping back at you. On a ship you often have to do a lot of climbing and removal of covers which can put you in comprimising position all just to check continuity of the bulb.

I can tell that you are a longshoreman just by the fact that your life is so pristine and any mild annoyance turns into an overblown situation in your mind.

Kind of a britfag mentality if you ask me.

Keep the pics cominf tho thnx

>>1027634

Actually upon closer inspection there is TONS of rust. Allow me to circle them for you when i next find myself near a computer

>>1027687
>Longshoreman
I was wondering why his post seemed so off. He's definitely not a member of the crew.

Can't wait for automation to take over the shipping industry and then you'll all have to get real jobs.

>>1027733
ATB crews are growing as liability becomes a bigger and bigger issue. I honestly can't see their crews getting any smaller

>>1027687
>I can tell that you are a longshoreman
Wow get a load of the detective here. You're in the wrong line of work, bud. You should be solving murders.

>>1027733

They'll probably automate data entry beforehand so you'd be down by the docks begging for forklift training.

>>1027723
>I was wondering why his post seemed so off. He's definitely not a member of the crew.
No shit stupid. Damn youre dumb.

>>1027737

>got called out like the landlubber he is
>has to be condensending about it so he can feel good about his lack of salt

>>1027741
>got called out
Dude, youre stupid. I even put "longshorefag" in some of my posts. Stop acting like you broke some secret, you little bitch scab.

>>1027740

>complains about a rusty ship
>posts picture of a rustier ship
>gets called out for being brand new
>huurrr omg you guys can't tell?

Lol

>>1027746
>being brand new
To the maritime industry? I bet I've worked on more vessels than you, kid. In fact, I know I have.

>>1027745

>i even put longshorefag in some of my posts

when you recently complained about the mastonian you didnt indicate that you had no idea about ships so that is where the confusion happens

>>1027740
Who complains about a ship they've got no actual experience with?

>>1027747

Well if you consider recieving and granting loads from and to a vessel "working on it" then i am definitely sure you have worked on more.

In the same way a shipping broker would have worked on more ships than me as well.

>>1027752

A longshoreman

>>1027751
>>1027752
"I work some rinky tink tug in a port no one's ever heard of. I know more than a seasoned ILWU longshoreman working the biggest port complex in north america"

>>1027755
He can't seriously mean that right? That'd be some intense delusion.

>>1027759
Well I've got no idea how your end of the industry works, but yes. Yes I do.

Is the SIU school in Baltimore worth it? I saw the comment above about Kirby phasing them out. I've been looking at attending as it's relatively close to me.

I'm also interested in noaa but everything I find listed for them are desk jobs in the grant writing office.

I have no credentials yet but pretty extensive blue water sailing experience, not that that counts for much. Unfortunately I'm broke af as I wasted my college years on an arts degree.


Last question, do any of you guys working in the industry get out on the water recreationally or do you avoid it on your time off? Being a professional musician literally sucked the joy out of music for me, I don't want to kill off sailing too.

>>1027759

>he thinks being at the bottom of the barrel at a big port means he is a big shot.

I bet if you were a janitor for a building in which a law firm leased office space, you'd think you were some kind of maverick legal advisor.

Also i dont work on a tug.

>>1027760
>he

Thats some reddit tier passive aggressiveness dude. Youre a little bitch, huh?

>>1027755
Shipping brokers don't actually board the vessel. I thought you knew bout about this stuff.

>>1027767
>bottom of the barrel
Class A ILWU with certs on most equipment including hammerhead is the bottom of the barrel? Do you wanna compare paystubs, little bitch so you can see what a real man earns?

>>1027760

Look at his posts. It is most likely this is the case.

ITT: underpaid scab deckhands act superior to someone who earns more than them and knows more about the industry than them

>>1027768

>boarding the vessel means you work on it

Christ. This shit is far out.

"I'll use the third person when talking about someone currently posting in a thread. It's a move I learned on reddit."

Pathetic.

>>1027766
Many people I work with enjoy sailing, powerboating, fishing. Etc in their off time. Being on a tug it ship is distinct enough from water recreation that you should be fine.

It's tough getting a job in the industry at the moment since oil is low. Also, the portion of Kirby's fleet that uses SIU is fairly small, so that not a big deal.

>>1027774
It literally does, dummy. It means you you've been on and inside enough ships ton know the difference between an outdated piece of shit and a modern good-looking vessel.

From what I've gleaned here the only boats you can get on are old and rusty and prone to problems like lighting outages. I'm not sure that's something to brag about.

>>1027778

I kind of get the vibe that you live in some sort of bubble. A bubble that elevates your opinion of your position to a point where you feel like you command a certain level of respect, knowledge and wisdom when truly you haven't attained it yet.

If you like your job then that is great, but your issue is, is that you inflate it to beyond it's applied level of what really and truly is a dockhand/teamster.

You are on the same level as a janitor or a solid waste collector but you feel like you are a skilled employee.

My suggestion to you would be,to just let it go, and either push to climb the ladder or just simply enjoy your job and stop over inflating yourself. If you are simple, be simple.

Good luck longshorefag. You will attain your dreams one day.

>>1027782
Why are you trying to talk down to someone that earns more than you, has accomplished more in life than you, and is older than you?

Post your paystub. I want to laugh.

>>1027783

>earns more
>acomplished more
>older

With the way you are behaving i doubt that more than one of three of those points are true.

Since your level of bravado is so high why dont you do use the honor of showing your hand first?

>>1027785
>With the way you are behaving i doubt that more than one of three of those points are true.
Tell me which ones you think are untrue so I can prove you wrong. Two of them are easily quantified.

>>1027787

Well you exhibit some complex issues but since you are working in NY as indicated by your "biggest port in NA" i would assume that you could potentially earn more than me. So the two cards i would contest are your age and accomplishments.

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>>1027759
>"I work some rinky tink tug in a port no one's ever heard of. I know more than a seasoned ILWU longshoreman working the biggest port complex in north america"
wellthisisawkward.jpg

I'm not the one who's arguing with you bud

in fact i haven't checked this thread in a few days

but a fine shitstorm seems to have brewed for sure

>>1027800

Its what happens when a dockhand calls this rusty

>>1027521

And this clean

>>1027634

Then.he starts spouting about how he makes the most and he is the oldest oldfag and how he has the most certificates, and so on.

Pretty amusing.

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>>1027803
look man
y'all can argue back and forth all you want
i'm just here to post pics of boats that come into my small port than no one's heard of

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>>1027804

We normally have an LPG ship park up for deposit in the next bay and had a similar sunset but with it in the background. Unfortunately i was in pool at the time so left my phone at home but one day i'll get us an epic /maritime/ shot

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>>1027804
You want a small port?

This is a picture of my ATB tied up to a town's municipal dock. That's all they've got. I didn't get any daylight photos of the dock, sorry.

ITT: losers rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and arguing over whose obsolete job is more skilled and has a bigger "paystub" lmao

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>>1027819
>when cyclefags come to /mg/

>>1027791
>since you are working in NY
Hey.... stupid... see these posts

>>1021665
>>1021666
>>1022951

Do they say NYlongshorefag?

Fuck youre dumb.

>>1027800
>I'm not the one who's arguing with you bud
Did I say you were, kid? Try using your brain before posting next time.

>>1027791
Like I said, little bitchmade oser, I earn more than you, I've accomplished more and I'm older than you. You're nothing compared to me, and you never will be. You're nothing but a bitch earning 17 dollars an hour while I earn $40.

>>1027803
>This rusty
>and this clean

Hey, stupid little bitch. Let's play a game. Let's see if you can guess when that ship that isnt the matsonia went into service. I mean, since its rustier than the matsonia, it's gotta be older, right?

(watch the dumb little bitch is gonna be way off cause he actually doesnt know anything about ships lol)

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>>1027847
>Like I said, little bitchmade oser, I earn more than you, I've accomplished more and I'm older than you. You're nothing compared to me, and you never will be. You're nothing but a bitch earning 17 dollars an hour while I earn $40.

Woah, look out guys we got a badass over here, 40 whole dollars an hour!

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>>1027846
go be asshurt somewhere else then

>>1027853
That's way more than you make, kid.

Oh look at that, no replies. The little bitch probably realized he was outclassed and tucked tail.

>>1027856
You're the one that's butthurt, dude.

>>1027853
Post your pay stub, pathetic bitch. Oh right you won't because you're embarrassed of your meager wage lol.

>>1027919
>Post your pay stub, pathetic bitch

Post yours.

>>1027953
What for? My CBA is public knowledge. You don't have a CBA.

>>1027962
Not an argument, post it.

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>>1027965
You're the little bitch with the chickenshit entry level job.

Here's what I'm earning today. Basically what you earn in a week.

>>1027976
>he actually osted it

lmaoing@ur life

>>1027983
You're still here after getting BTFO this hard? Gotta know what to admit defeat, son.

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>he thinks that matsonia isnt a rust bucket
>he thinks the ILWU has jurisdiction on the east coast
>he thinks New York is the largest port complex in north america
>he's had his TWIC card for less than a year and tries to front like he's an old salt
>he tried to flex on 4chan and got completely BTFO

>>1027991
Who are you quoting?

>>1027992
this little bitch:

>>1027594
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>>1027791

>>1027777
Hey thanks, I didn't see your reply because of all the shitposting over the past 24 hours. Also checked.

Basically I live 45 mins from Norfolk/Hampton roads and am only just now realizing their might be a viable opportunity for regular work. I don't have much disposable cash but reeeeallly don't want to take on more loans hence why I'm looking at SIU.

Any idea how long you have to commit to them before you can look elsewhere? I'll be picking through the interwebs a little later when I'm home but any advice is appreciated. I've got family who have had good experiences in the merchant navy (U.K.) and are really pushing it.

>>1027976
That's about what a lead tankerman makes in my company.

>>1028018
Really not sure, I was hired by Kirby who had me join SIU. I'm not sure how it works for people in the hall, sorry man. All I can say with certainty is that there are less jobs now because oil is down. I'm not sure your family is aware of that.

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Less shitposting, more shipposting

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I'd like to know more about 'easy' or 'regular' jobs on ships.

I say easy but I don't mean like work an hour and do shit all the rest of the time. i just mean jobs that don't require engineering degrees and stuff like that. Do tankers/container ships have staff like cleaners/laundry people/etc?

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never going to the shithole called petersburg again

>>1027819
>obsolete job
planefag pls go

>>1029674
The term you're looking for is 'low entry '. Ships have a stewards department which do the cleaning and cooking. In addition, the deck and engine department both have low entry positions.

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Tall Ship Peking at shipyard in Staten Island

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Couple ships at anchor in New York with lightering barges alongside

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>>1029848

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>>1029782
Where would I find out more about this? I live in Australia.

Do these kind of jobs just pop up on regular job sites or is it sort of needing to know the right people.

>>1029859
start with taking stcw courses, then you can look around

>>1029890
Eu fag here
Knowing ppl is first step.
If you find a job online they expect that you already have most/all stcw courses
Knowing somebody can give you a heads up in advance about that you need exactly for a certain position so you go prepared and don't waste money on other courses that may not be required or required atm, and if required later maybe the company will pay for them
Knowing ppl is an advantage but it all comes down to luck.

>>1029859
In the US fleet, we're managed by the Coast Guard. You go through them for all your licensing. You don't need anything for your basic papers (which cover entry level deckhand, engine room, and steward work) except $350ish bucks, a background check, and a drug-free letter.

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Just got a fresh wire on the boat, towing a light oil barge

>>1030168
90% of the companies will also require a TWIC as well (that'll probably never get used anyway)

unless that's what you were talking about when you mentioned the background check

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>>1030226
Yeah, I meant that by background check, didn't want to write forever. He's Australian, anyway, just giving him an idea to check with his regulatory body.

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>>1030250
Flipped

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>>1030251
You on a Moran boat?

>>1021172
Fin whale? In Lillebælt?

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Aranui 5 a cute, A CUTE!!

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>>1027849
>>1027803
Where you at, little bitch? Baiting hooks on your sportfishing vessel?

>>1031390
Can't wait for your port to go full automation and you're left clinging to old paystubs trying to relive the glory days of shitposting on /n/ about how much you used to make at your obsolete job lmao

>>1031395
Longshoremen are already clinging to the glory days. They became such a huge bargaining group back in the day because you needed hundreds of them to unload ships before containerized cargo. Now they throw a shit fit whenever a port wants to reduce useless longshoremen because the job can be done with a handful.
ILA is the north korea of unions, anachronistic bitch boys with a nuclear bomb.

>>1031390

Kek

That guy hasn't appeared for quite some time and you are still here, trying to call him out?

Thats really sad.

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Pilot took a few pics yesterday as we were outbound with an asphalt tanker

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>>1032729

The NTSB has released the transcript from the El Faro's VDR.

http://gcaptain.com/ntsb-releases-el-faro-vdr-bridge-audio-transcript/

>you gunna leave me.
>I'm not leavin' you, let's go.

Christ.

>>1033848

I can so easily picture that dumb AB.

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>>1033848
>[sound of quick laugh] usually people don't take the whole umm– uh–survival suit– safetym eeting thing very seriously. then it's "yeah whatever. it fits" but nobody actually sees to see if their survival suit fits. I think today would be a good day [sound of laugh] for– for– for the fire and boat drill– just be like– "so we just wanna make sure everyone's survival suit fits" and then with the storm people are gunna (go/be like)"holy #. I really need to see if my survival suit fits– for reaaal." [laughter throughout]
>this was said by the Second Mate exactly 6 hours before the ship sank

Fucking hell.

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>>1033848
>>1033899
Also, looking through it, it sounds like we got a good idea what happened. The hurricane busted open a scuttle or something to Number 3 hold and nobody noticed it in the dark and storm. It was in free communication with the seas for hours, and then when the flooding was bad enough it made some cargo float free and bust open the fire main in the hold. All of the free surface effect in the middle of a hurricane is a death sentence. It might have even made them lose the plant, but regardless all that plus no way to keep way on sent her to the bottom.

What a horrible way to go.

>>1033848
what confuses me is that it seemed like some crew managed to make it to the lifeboats/life rafts, based off the radio communications with the captain
so I guess they just didn't manage to get them into the water in time

>>1033988
Liferafts in a Cat 3 storm, man. They had only the barest of a chance.

>>1033848
Just read through the El Faro's VDR, and woke up my wife in the other room by the repeated "Jesus Christ"'s at the last bit. Hard read.

>[sound of building low frequency rumble until end of recording.]

Poor bastards.

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>>1033848
>At 2314 on September 30, the third mate called the master to warn of a closer-than-expected approach to the intensifying hurricane. “On the four hundred [watch] we'll be twenty-two miles from the center,” the mate said. “With . . . max one hundred [knots] with gusts to one-twenty and strengthening so – the option that we do have . . . is at oh-two hundred we could head south.”
>However, the third mate told the AB on watch that the master expected El Faro to pass safely through the southern half of the storm, and he intended to hold course.
>“I trust what he's saying,” the third mate said. “It's just being twenty miles away from hundred knot winds – this doesn't even sound right.”
>At 0120, following news that the storm had been upgraded to a Category 3 hurricane, the second mate called the master and offered to turn “straight south” at 0200, a course which would have taken the El Faro into the lee of Crooked Island in the Bahamas.
>Instead, the second mate told the AB that the master had instructed her to make a course of 116, towards the storm, and to “run it.”

What the absolute FUCK.

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Dumb question

Why do modern cargo ships have the superstructure located in the rear and not the middle like the ships of old?

Wouldn't the loss of balance by placing the superstructure int he rear be potentially dangerous?

Also, are there an active cargo ships that still have the superstructure in the middle?

>>1034244
more room to hold stuff

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>>1034244
>Why do modern cargo ships have the superstructure located in the rear and not the middle like the ships of old?
To maximize cargo area and to minimize shaft length.

>Wouldn't the loss of balance by placing the superstructure int he rear be potentially dangerous?

No, the superstructure is incredibly light compared to the rest of the hull and the cargo. The only disadvantage is that the superstructure is now at the end of the ship's pitching arm so the bridge and living quarters feel the motion the ship more.

>Also, are there an active cargo ships that still have the superstructure in the middle?
Very few. It disrupts cargo a bit too much. The only ones you see are generally container ships.

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>>1034272
For what it's worth some of the largest container ships still have the superstructure amidships
I assume it's placed there to improve visibility over the bow for such a large ship
Some examples
>maersk triple E class
>maersk E class
>CSCL Globe
>MSC oscar
Pic unrelated, just a Kirby boat at the sugar terminal last week

>>1034244
>>1034272
>>1034348
Why do cargo ships not have the superstructure at the front?

>>1034350
Because it's better to just put it all in one block with the machinery, instead of having it over a cargo tank or hold. Some ships, like Ro-Ros, have the bridge up forward, but generally it's midships or near the stern.

>>1034350
I would guess that in rough seas, there would be too much water breaking over the bridge.

>>1034348
Over the cargo, to be exact. Tankers and bulkers still have the bridge at the stern because they can still see the bow even with their immense length.

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>>1031395
>Can't wait for your port to go full automation
Not gonna happen in my lifetime. There's one automated terminal in LA and it's so slow and problematic all the other terminals want nothing to do with automation.

>>1031667
Wow you really dont know what youre talking about at all. Containerization CREATED longshore jobs. There are more than twice as many ILWU A men now than there were before containerization. Also, you still need over 100 longshoremen to work a decent sized ship.

>>1031798
I guess I laughed him out and he's scared to come back. Good. That guy is a fucking idiot.

>>1034356

>I guess I laughed him out and he's scared to come back. Good. That guy is a fucking idiot.

Nah nikra. I have been in here the whole time. Just that I am kind of weary of people with the emotional fortitude of a 14 year old valley girl and the arrogance of a college student.

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>>1034356
Nobody. Likes. You.

Pic related, a longshoremen in his natural environment, fucking off in his car

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>>1034350
Tropical (the main company that works out of our port) has nearly every one of their ships with the superstructure at the bow like in >>1026849
however, they only operate two dedicated container ships with the superstructure at the stern, the rest are combination RORO/LOLO ships, since they almost exclusively operate in the Caribbean

pic related another one of their roro/lolo ships

>>1034433

I will need to observe my ports for a while to confirm your statements. Because I am quite certain that we have more than two container ships with tropical containers and stern super structures visiting on the regular. All the ROROs come from japan

>>1034436
i wouldn't be surprised if their containers pop up in other ports, but i know they mainly serve the Caribbean, with a few of their ships going to St. Johns in Canada once in a while

they've got a few other ships on charter while they're building some new ones, and they're all traditional container ships, the pic in OP is one of the ships they've had on charter for a while

>>1034364
Hopefully you learned your lesson and won't do it again. By the way the ship you called a rust bucket was built in 2012.

go back and eread your posts here
>>1027594
>>1027687
>>1027688
>>1027746
>>1027803

If we were in a bar and you came at me with that tone and those words, I'd beat the fuck out of you.

Ship i said was rusty = built in 1970
Ship you said was rustier = built in 2012

You have no business posting in this thread at all.

>>1034397
Youre a port trucker? Literally the lowest form of life on the waterfront.

Why is that longshoreman in a POV?

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The NEW World Biggest Containership, MSC Jade, 19,437 TEU

It's only a 213 box difference between it's previous biggest sister MSC Oscar.

>>1034549

>I'd beat the fuck out of you because your eyesight is better than mine

Bruh, you need help

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>>1027521
That thing looks like it could be the El Faro's sister ship. What the fuck, Matson?

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ships are nice but after reading through this thread, i think that the people working on ships are bitter and angry people.
why?

we in aviation love most of our fellow men.

>>1034810
No no, it's just a constant war between the ship crew and the longshoremen, and that's an ancient grudge.

>You're working too damn slow! You're costing me money sitting here at the dock!
>You're pushing my men too damn hard! You're risking my deck gang's safety trying to force them at this pace!

>>1034810
Nah, a lot of people working on boats are great guys, real friendly.

There's just one longshoreman in this thread shitting it up with his inferiority complex.

>>1034817
>>1034833
what are longshoremen?

>>1034837
The guys on the dock that load/discharge cargo ships. Like airport tarmac crews.

>>1034780
Most of matson's fleet is cold war era shit.

>>1034833
Nah it got shitted up by some rookie deckhand that tried to talk like some crusty old salt and got pt in his place.

>>1034633
Hahahaha youre fucking pathetic kid. I can tell youre the loser on the job that no one likes and won't last. You'll be in a complete different career field a year from now.

>>1027688
Still waiting on you to circle the "TONS" of rust, kid.

>>1034868
not him, but you seem like an absolutely retarded, dumb asshole.

i can see why youre doing what youre doing.

>>1034875
>not him

Sure kid. We believe you.

Still circling that rust?

>>1034876
i am not him you fool. i just visited this thread for the pics of ships and encountered your retardation. im this one >>1034810

get fucked, and learn to deal with that anger.

>>1034877
Youre not samefagging your way out of this, kid. Just leave and dont come back.

>>1034864
>>1034868
>>1034869
>>1034876
>>1034878

You are an amazing individual.

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>>1034911
I'm just a longie.

>>1034864
>Nah it got shitted up by some rookie deckhand that tried to talk like some crusty old salt and got pt in his place.

holy fuck you idiot, I've already said I wasn't the one who was arguing with you.

>>1034935
"Everything is about ME! The world revolves around ME"

You really are a stupid little piece of shit. Do you think youre the only deckhand ITT? Obviously you use a name here. Or are you posting with an without your name so you can reply to yourself?

Deckhands are such stupid people. You losers deserve the meager wage you earn lol.

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The ILWU has jurisdiction over this thread.

We run shit here.

Damn it feels good to be a ganster

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-20150301-story.html

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>>1034863
No, I mean it looks like it could LITERALLY be the El Faro's sister.

>>1025675

Looks like the same design as the new sea shepherd boat

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First time here, I'm interested in working freight around the great lakes where I live. Is this doable at 22 or are great lakes maritime jobs usually more of a competitive and experienced industry to get into?

>>1035061
Just go to the Great Lakes Maritime Academy. It's a four-year school that will give you a degree as well as a USCG Unlimited License and Great Lakes pilotage.

>is this doable at 22
Psh, yeah. Some people don't go for their license until they're in their 40s. Industry don't care as long as you're competent and can do your job.

>>1035065
Cool I'll see about transfering there from my community college. I've already completed my gen eds and wonder if that would shave time and effort off that academy for me

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>>1035076
It will, generally. It means you'll be able to get out in about 3 years as opposed to 4. You'll still need to do 3 training cruises, however.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqlaIBHMm4

>>1035001
Oh. Youre one of those millennials that doesnt know how to use the word 'literally' properly.

>>1035084
Look from the house aft. The similarities are uncanny.

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>>1035095
The El Faro and The Matsonian were both built in the early 70s. Thats what combination roll-on/roll-off and lift-on/lift-off cargo ships built back then look like.

I've never seen a modern ship in this style. Most modern ro ro vessel have ramps built in.

This is the Marjorie C. She was built in 2015.

>>1034878
im here again
>kid
im glad that your bait is nearly as shitty as the job you do

>>1035172
Care to explain how my job is shitty?

>>1035176
naw
the only one who would need an explanation is you, and thats just not worth the time typing it out

>>1035185
Or you don't know shit about my job and wouldn't know where to start.

Youre so pathetic, kid. You keep making dumb comments and I keep making you look stupid and you keep replying.

You'll always be a worthless loser. Just kill yourself and get it over with. I promise no one will miss you. You're trash.

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That feel when your local donates over 1,000 gifts to needy kids every year.

Damn it feels good to be a gangster.

>>1035197
nice reddit spacing, kid

>>1035204

My small family company donates 200 gifts to kids at a selected school, beer and food to the police and fire department functions, engines to fishermen, accept work placements from school, etc. etc.

We are only big enough to require 23 working individuals but we have some financial clout. Even with everything costing the same as Europe and our countries GDP at $7123

>>1035254
They're called paragraphs, idiot.

>>1035254
>kid

Why would you call me that when I'm obviously much older than you? You come off as someone in their late teens.

>>1035301
No one is trolling. There's one kid here who tried flapping his mouth, got shut down and embarrassed, and is now sperging out like the pathetic loser he is. The rest of us just want to discuss maritime shit.

>>1034780
>>1034863
>>1035001
>>1035095
>>1035121

i got a little autistic and did some googling, both El Faro and Matsonia were built at the same shipyard within three months of each other
http://www.eagle.org/safenet/record/record_vesseldetailsprinparticular?Classno=7500285&Accesstype=PUBLIC&ReferrerApplication=PUBLIC
http://www.eagle.org/safenet/record/record_vesseldetailsprinparticular?Classno=7316773&Accesstype=PUBLIC&ReferrerApplication=PUBLIC

>>1034986
you should make a trip so i can filter you

>>1035300
because i dont like you

>>1035299

those

are

paragraphs?

no, they arent. they are just lines with way too much fucking spacing in them. you have no idea how to create a post without a completely shitty layout, kid.

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>>1035376
>same customer number

This is starting to get foreboding.

>>1035386
So not only are you dumb when it comes to vessels, you're also dumb when it comes to English grammar.

What exactly is your official occupation? Do you even work in this industry?

(watch, he wont give me a straight answer. he's gonna try and sidetrack and deflect like he has been this whole thread)

>>1035376
B-b-but I was assured by two posters here that the Matsonian is a "clean" ship, and "definitely not a rust bucket"!

Actually, I'm pretty sure
>>1027594
and
>>1027618

are from the same fag. This is just more proof he's an idiot that should be ignored.

Lads I just discovered the Port of LA has a live stream on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RvnlBItIUw

I think it's pretty comfy.

Also the Port of La put a up a rad timelapse video of one of those evergreen ships coming in this morning but I cant butcher the facebook link enough to get passed the spam filter.

PortofLA/videos/10154483858676997/

>>1035562

Dread please, just stop. It's been a month and a half now and you are still shitting up this thread.

>>1035561
>What exactly is your official occupation?
aviation
>Do you even work in this industry?
naw, but that doesnt make you any less of an asshole. im not the guy you started arguing with, retard. theres more than one person on 4chan fidning you obnoxious.

>>1035628
Oh samefagging again. Sad.

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>>1035628
>>1035640

>>1035628
"Aviation" is not an occupation. Pilot is an occupation. Aircraft mechanic is an occupation.

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Who else is working over the holiday? Double pay doesn't quite make up for being away from home.

All I want for Christmas is for this thread to be deleted so we can make another without gradeschool squabbling

>>1036146
we had a sugar barge going out this morning, and we had a ship originally scheduled to come in tomorrow, but they rescheduled for the 28th, so I'm home for Christmas

>All I want for Christmas is for this thread to be deleted so we can make another without gradeschool squabbling

I agree wholeheartedly to that

>>1036146
>>1036156
The shitter would just shit up the new thread with his stupidity. What good would deleting the thread do?

I'm not working til Monday. OT day since Christmas landed on a Sunday this year.

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>>1021665
>scab

You cunts are leeches. I bet you got into your union because you were related to some asshole.

The so called "scabs" are people trying to make a buck

Source: was in a maritime officer union and left because of the nepotism and bullshit involved, communist scum

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Hey Fellas, so I've recently gotten out of the military and have been back home for a little over a month.

I spent a good time of my enlistment out at sea and I'm starting to miss being out there, any sailors, fishermen or Merchant Marines on here?

Whats the best way for me to get back out at sea without reenlisting?

Posted this on /out/ but I got referred to this thread

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>>1036813
Got a couple pictures I took while I was under way

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>>1036815

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>>1036816

>>1036813

What was your role?

If it was anything military specific(weapons engineer) your going to have to start from the bottom.

>>1036797

Oh wrathed. As much as I agree with you, you need to stop replying to his shit because he will continue to shit up general maritime threads as long as you keep provoking him you stupid mother's cunt.

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>>1036856
I was a Marine, I don't know anything about ship engines and all I did on ship was scrape paint off, restocked snacks in the ship store and cleaned out the bilge when they needed volunteers from the Battalion.

I know the basics of mooring and ropes because my job involved a lot of water driving (AAVs) and extremely basic engine/hydraulic maintenance as well as weapons obviously.

>start from the bottom

I have no problem with this, I just want to go back to sea again.

I found out college isn't for me and I just want to work and be underway again

>>1036860

Fishing will land you home much more frequently than freighting, containering or tankering.

But it is a hard graft that gets harder the further you get away from rich areas/nations.

I honestly would suggest getting a cheap or free kayak/canoe and just paddling around. It may satiate your salt crave enough to allow you make a clear conscious, non-hasty decision.

>>1036861
How difficult would it be to get into fishing or freighting, particularly in the Oregon?

I know I said I was back home in my original post but where I am isn't my home, I actually don't have a place since I was transient when I enlisted, guess it explains why I want to be on the move or at sea so bad.

>>1036862

Can't answer that sorry. I am in the Caribbean.

Fuel ships and tankers often don't allow their crew a port pass as they aren't at a port.

But containers and freighters, depending on the port you are in, you can roam around a little with a pass.

Do not go into tourism/recreational unless you have excellent people skills and have a maxed out diplomacy power level.

>>1036867
Didn't know about the port pass thing, thanks for the insight.

How does that all work anyways? Does it come from the ship or is it from like an international agency?

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>>1036860
you could try tuggin, most offshore guys work 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, and as far as I know most harbor tugs are usually 1 week on 1 week off
>I did on ship was scrape paint off
you're already ahead if you become an OS

>>1036889
Here's an idea I've been tossing around in my head but I'm not so sure about the reality.

I have my GI Bill that I haven't used, is there a need to boat mechanics?

Do they get to be on ship? If I had the know-how and even a certificate and I applied to work off shore, would I stand a better chance to get hired?

Are there different types mechanics for different boats?

>>1036892
look into QMED courses
alternatively there are maritime colleges where, once completed, you can graduate with either a 3rd mate unlimited, or a high ranking engine department rank (idk what it's called but it's higher than QMEd)

>>1036902
I'll check it out, would I still need to go to a trade school to become a boat mechanic or would I learn all that in QMED courses?

>>1036797
>comparing AMO to MM&P

>>1027976
Im a 24 year old fisherman with zero qualifications and little experience and i earn 4 times that in a day easily

>>1036930
Not him, but I call bullshit. Post you pay stub.

>>1036990

/Paystub general/

>>1036930
If you earn $2000 dollars a day (more than ANYBODY I personally know), I'll quit my job today and do what you do.

i stumbled into a longshoremans job this year and i feel like i've discovered one of my cities best kept secrets.

working the docks has sparked an interest in being a deckhand. now i'm just deciding if should ignore this and continue working the dock.

>>1035078
BOB MOTHERFUCKING MASON.

>>1037085
I enjoy it, and you can move up a lot quicker, but you aren't home every day. Great for a single guy, but if you have a family it's hell.

>>1036797
>was in a maritime officer union and left because of the nepotism and bullshit involved, communist scum

Nah I bet you got blackballed for being a bitch.

>>1036930
No you don't.

>>1037085
Why would you want to work longer hours for less money? Also what port are you longshoring in?You gotta at least tell us if it's east coast or west coast, union or scab.

>>1037166
Maybe he wants to sail the world, ever think of that

>>1037210

No way bruh. Everyone wants only easy money no matter how bland and dissatisfying their jobs are.

How else can you afford the hotel room for your wife, the bull and the lifted truck to drop her off.

>>1037166
union. great lakes. canada.
is it really less money ? i like the idea of working on and off.

>>1037105
yeah im a young single guy so i'm not worried about that part of the job. i want to get out onto the water too.

>>1037238
It's less, yes. But crewmembers still make a shitload of money so it's not a notice your old self would give a shit about.

ugh

>>1037210
None of you sail the world. Americans dont sail the world. It's all filipinos and indians.

>>1037226
I like sleeping in my own bed every night.

I saw the world while I was serving my country.

>>1037473
>there are no American ships on international articles
>only coastwise

Shut the fuck up, faggot. Not everyone wants to work brownwater like a cuck.

>>1037483
>there are no American ships on international articles
Did you mean international waters?

>Not everyone wants to work brownwater like a cuck.
I have no clue what that means.

>>1037307
What kind of pathetic bitch comes into a thread like this and just posts "ugh"?

Did you have a point to make, or youre you letting us know you ran out of tampons and youre having a heaving period?

>>1037673
>comes into the maritime general
>doesn't know what shipping articles are

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>>1037673
>>1037673
Brownwater=Inland, Rivers, Near Coastal work
Bluewater = Deep sea, trans-oceanic
Shipping Articles = Contract between crewmembers and the captain/company. He's saying Americans don't sail on international ships.

This thread fucking sucks now, by the way.

We have awesome jobs. We get to operate big ass commercial boats and ships, see parts of the world nobody else does,take pride in a job well done and get paid damn well.

Doesn't matter if you're a longshoremen, mate on a ULCC, captain on a tour boat or if you're humping sludge around a harbor. We're all part of the same kick-ass industry. So cut the machismo bullshit everyone, you're not impressing anybody. You don't sound like a grizzled veteran sailor, you sound like an insecure bitch and you make us all look bad by association.

Everyone has something to contribute to this thread, or something to ask. Don't be faggots.

>>1037697

>Near coast is brown water

More like turquoise buddy.

>>1037716
It's a turn of phrase, anon.

>>1037716
Umm, actually it's clear, buddy.

>>1037805

Not with all those fish in the way!

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Hey Tugfag.

I just checked out marine traffic to see where Caribe Legend was today because I was sure I saw her in our port on Christmas Eve. And I noticed that all the neighboring ships had familiar names (tropic mist, tropic this, tropic that) and that all 4 of those ships were flying flags of my country.

So it seems like the smaller Tropical shipping vessels fly our convenience flag.

Do you have much interaction with those smaller vessels?

See flag for reference

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>>1038016
Caribe Legend along with several other ships (m/v AHS Hamburg, m/v Spica and m/v Vega Omega) is currently on charter for Tropical while they're having several ships built to replace a few boats in their aging fleet.
Some of the Tropical ships will use a tug if they have an engine or bow thruster go out, and all of their ships on charter will use us coming in, and going out, depending on what berth they go to.

>>1038021
What in the hell kind of Frankenstein lunacy is that boat?

>>1038082

It looks like your average landing craft to me.

We have one here that got seized by Trinidad and eventually sent back with the regional maritime authority saying it must never leave the country again with out repairs and approval because it was in such a dangerous state.

It was in such a state that the crew slept, cooked, ate, lived on the deck and the only two things working on the bridge were the helm and throttle, most of the time.

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>>1038082
like the other dude said, it's just a normal landing craft

>>1037697
code red chair is missing

>>1038372
Holy shit youre right. Good eye.

Actually, upon closer inspection, I think the chair is just out of frame.

>>1038372

It's probably there out of frame.

But I thought it was the time out chair for any naughty sailors

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Inside of a Grenadine RO-RO/passenger

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>>1039021

Outside. Docking

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RIP Michael Justice. The Port of LA photographer was aboard a helicopter that crashed off the coast of San Pedro two nights ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpwb3xFSkjQ

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>spend a year jumping through hoops with the Coast Guard to try and sit for my license
>they finally decide they've had their fun and approve me to sit next week
>they approve me to sit for Chief Mate instead of Third Mate
>have to wait a week while they unfuck the paperwork and get me in the system for the right test

I shouldn't be surprised at this point, and yet I am.

>>1039189

>A week

You are lucky.

>>1039267
I know. It's really just getting the right letter of approval. I'm just impressed they found another way to fuck up. Knowing my luck, when they actually give me my MMC it'll be rated for Second Mate and I'll have to wait even more to start sailing.

>>1034356
The only one laughing is all of us.

At you.

You are replaceable, don't you ever forget it

>>1039475
Post your fucking paystub you little bitch.

>>1039477
On 4chan? Not a hope xx

He's samefagging again :/

Are you a bad enough dude to survive the auto ship CL van?

https://streamable.com/pvgsd

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Other ports, are you even trying?

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>>1040566

It is difficult for us to when the whole country has a population of 109,000

>Our port at it's capacity

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>>1040566
>>1040581

But we got some pretty views though

>>1040581
>>1040582
Gorgeous. Looks comfy as fuck. Does your port service any cruise lines or other types of passenger ship?

>tfw wanted to become a deck officer
>tfw our merchant navy industry was destroyed years ago

>>1040671
Move to Norway or Murrica, get in that way.

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My union is taking on new workers for the first time in over a decade.

>>1040671
come to finland ding ding ding ding

>>1040754
>Enter a lottery for a job!

The american dream indeed

>>1040783
You seem miserable.

>>1040644

We actually have two cargo ports.

Camden Park in the previous photo with the Tropical ship, Most likely Caribe Legend we often see in Tugfag photos, and Kingstown are our two container ports.

Camden Park is the technically smaller but busier industrial port which primarily deals with containers from the US and bulk from South america all the warehouses seen near the boat are good processing. Mills, textile shops, a brewery, plastic products and toilet paper etc.

Kingstown is the capital city which deals with containers from England, cruise ships, regional cargo the grenadine ferries and fish. Regional cargo is delivered by the same company as the ferries so you will often see one of the red RO/RO passengers pictured previously heading to Barbados or Trini.

Pic is a car boat looming over the capital city. It was taken from the center of our "city".

Docking in Camden Park, although totally separate, is still considered docking in Kingstown.

In the Grenadines although there are no cruise berths cruise ships will drop anchor and be served by passenger ferries over the gangways. The whole island strain has 4 cruise ship locations. Which is not bad for a nation as small as ours

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>>1040885

>>1040886
Oh shit, it's a K Line Ro/Ro. Neat.

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This landing craft was banned from leaving the nation until repairs had been done to improve its sea worthiness. Sure it floats, but that is the only thing it does right.

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Bequai Express III a RO-RO/passenger ferry being painted.

>>1040789
I would be if I was union

>>1040887

Sorry about the orientation. The vessel would be from Japan most likely.

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>>1040783
It is tbqh. The ILU workers in Long Beach/LA are some of the most highly paid laborers in America. They do that lottery thing because everyone wants a shot at working there, but there are way more candidates than there are slots. Add into the fact that NOBODY quits that job before retirement...

>t. someone who hates shitposting but is willing to give even longshoremen their due when deserved

>>1040892
It's fine. K-Line have distinctive colors. If you could get an offshore shot, there would be a big white "K" on the side of the funnel.

>>1040890
Bahahaha yeah cause earning more money = increased unhappiness.

>>1040886
Gotta crop your pics before posting so they dont turn sideways, m8.

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>>1040973

I had rotated it already and took it from the same orientation but I have no idea.

The big RO-RO left this morning so I missed an offshore shot but here I have the barracuda, another Grenadine passenger/RO-RO coming in. She's been smoking like that for months.

Just in front of her you'd see a red tuck with some white cabovers on a bridge, that's how you exit the docks after deliver or exiting a boat. Nobody has been drunk enough to drive over yet but it happened a couple times beforethe grenadine wharf had been rebuilt. Used to barely fit a container down it.

Ground swell today and the boats ramps were moving around a lot so there is a backup of goods

>>1040977

Also the big black tank is full of molasses for rum distilling.

>>1040977
>>1040980

Man you literally live in Tropico 5.

What country does your country bow down to? Are you truly independent, or is the queen of england on your money?

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>>1041057

She is on our money as we are OECS, but she has no power or land here. We gained independence in 1979 and unlike tropico we don't make cigars or speak Spanish or make cigars but we do make cigarettes, rum and beer.

I love that Vidya tho.

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>>1040581
>>1040885
nah, it's not the Caribe Legend.
She has no cranes, and is considerably smaller.

in other news, we pulled our smallest boat out of the water, the boatyard is an awful, awful place.

>>1041071
But is she still your head of state?

>>1041275

Ah right. I was focusing on that tower on the bow rather than anything else.

>>1041291

She is. But our government is more communist than anything.

Our prime minister is literally referred to as "comrade ralph" and as he is doing his political rounds he refers to everyone as "comrade".

The policies and procedures put in place since independence is totally against English law. England does not want anything to do with my country.

The whole "head of state" thing is nothing more than a pleasantry.

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Love it. Our president is a socialist idealist and he keeps us grounded despite having no power. Everything in moderation, I say!

But give her the final boot! There is satisfaction in a Republic.

Unless you want to keep her, then keep her.

Either way, the place looks lovely.

Pic is the Iver Ability, stuck in Dublin anchorage for about 6 months since her bitumen cargo had "a reaction" (I think it spontaneously combusted and blew a hatch off)

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Any love for tall ships? I've got stories and pictures and opinions and shit.

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Working aloft.

NEW

>>1041823
>>1041823
>>1041823

>>1030171
>putting your face that close to wire rope
It's a cool picture dude but jesus