/gag/ General Aviation General - But Can It Float? Edition

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I think I f*cked up my major interview last week. I had waited for this kind of a opportunity for years and feels bad thinking that I might have blew it.

Gonna hear the results in a few weeks, this anticipation is growing every day.

Oh but those widebody jets would be so awesome.

>>1013871
How did you fuck it up?

>>1013867
Got the oral portion of my initial CFI done, and letter of discontinuance because weather got bad. So this is living in limbo... oral went well, but I'm exhausted so it's probably good I get to start fresh tomorrow morning.

>>1013898
The more I think about it more it feels like I didn't get to give 100% in the interview. Like something was left unsaid. I don't exactly know what, I can't pinpoint it, but it felt like the interviewers weren't satisfied.

God the whole process to get to this point has taken a half a year and to fuck it up at this stage feels really awful, this being a dream since I was a kid.

But hey, some day we all have to grow up.

booking a introductory flight this week
anything I should know ?

>>1014004
have fun and enjoy your flight

>>1013961
The interview process is largely to judge your character and what kind of person you are rather than telling every bit there is to know about yourself. Your accomplishments are on your résumé already, so it isn't about explaining your experience. I wouldn't worry too much

>>1014004
don't fly into the ground

>>1013867
It's going.

Incoming checkride I hope I pass.

>>1013920
Weather no good again..

>>1014004
Hope you aren't easily frightened.

>>1014004
Don't fly directly into the giant planet below you

>>1013961
Don't sweat it man. The fact that you were even brought in for an interview shows that they already have interest in you.

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Scheduled my ppl checkride for this sunday, any tips?

>>1015157
Don't panic, use your head, use your training, and don't give up if you find yourself in a tricky or unfamiliar situation. Also, be confident; don't let those nerves get in the way. Check airmen know that nerves play a factor, so don't dwell on little mistakes.

>>1015157
If you don't know a question don't guess, ask if you can come back to it later.
Answer the question that was asked, don't elaborate and start digging yourself in to a hole.
Use your check list.
Don't clean up the airplane until after you've cleared the runway.
Have the airport diagram out when taxing.
Just take it slow and you'll be fine.

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>>1013867
oh hey /n/ got a question,

In short Ive became obsessed with finding/buying and restoring a B-29

I know there's a wreck in Greenland, but its literally in uncharted territory, at the very northern most point

I kinda wanna save kee bird, but rumor has it all the other B-29s even the burnt out destroyed ones at china lake are still owned by the gov, and they still dont wanna give them up

Its a pretty fucked situation desu, but to reitterate, how can I get someone to fly me out there with a tractor or something?

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Taking my SEL ATP soon. I know, I know it's a useless cert, but my work is paying for it and I need it to up grade at my job. Wondering if anyone else has taken it and if they have any tips.

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>>1015186
The last guy who tried this wasn't very successful. The B29 crashed on its first flight. A fire somewhere I think that consumed it. If you're serious about I start looking at how he did it.

I do hope you are successful though, not to many of those beauties left.

>>1015191
yeah, I saw the documentary, I fucking balled tears man.

The my assessment is the fuselage is fucked, the wings may still be good, the #3 engine has been ripped from its mount, the mounting will need to be replaced. the tail should still be good as well as some other odds and ends.

I know a guy who is building his own B-17e, occasionally volunteer, he might know more.

but cost wise I have no idea how Im gonna be able to afford this. My guess is ill probably pull it out work on it occasionally for a couple years, then hand it off to someone who actually knows what to do with the thing.

I could probably get a kickstarter to airlift it out, but after that I haven't really thought what the plan is, Im sure someone would love to rebuild her, the trick is just getting it the hell out of greenland

>>1015183
>don't clean up the aircraft Until after you've cleared the runway
In all my training nobody has given me a good reason not to.

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>>1015186
Why not build a full-sized Spitfire from scratch?

>>1015269
>given rivet for birthday
>builds spitfire
hell yeah, one thing I cant understand though is when people make 3/4 scale aircraft, JUST WHY?? BUILD IT FULL SCALE WHO THE HELL WANTS A 3/4 SCALE AIRCRAFT? NOBODY!!

I kinda just wanna see kee bird fly though, the problem isnt that its burnt and stuck in a lake with some warping to the metal from the ice, that can be fixed. The main problem is it that its in Greenland, fucking Greenland, 88 degrees longitude, the definition of the North pole.

id love to fly the airframe out with a heli, but I really dont wanna pay $100,000 in fuel costs, Im at a loss here.
maybe I could fund it through kickstarter?

>>1015218
I think he meant "don't clean the aircraft up until you're out of usable runway" not "clear of the runway"

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>>1015186
Anything at a museum is a better starting place then a sunken burnt out B-29.
Mustang done
Spitfire done
Moswuito done
B29 done
B17 done
B24 done
B25 yawn
Blah blah blah
Pick one someone hasn't then go there :)
Pic: in process.

>>1015551
*Moswuito.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGfQQWOsoB8

>>1015528
Oooh fuck I completely misinterpreted that. The exact same verbiage was used to scold me for putting up the flaps after landing before I had exited the runway, and I always thought that was a non-issue. Waiting to clean up the aircraft on takeoff until after the usable runway makes a lot more sense....

>>1015494
How exactly do you plan on sling-loading a B-29? It's not exactly like there's Mi-26s and Sikorsky Skycranes just out there for rent

>>1015553
You still misspelled it

>>1015554
Concerning raising the flaps, when you fly complex aircraft you generally DO wait until you're either off the runway or slow enough for one pilot to be running a checklist. In that checklist, the verbiage is often changed to "flaps... identified and up"

"Identified" is important because many pilots have inadvertently raised the landing gear instead of the flaps when rolling out... so many instructors and examiner's insist on practising "identifying" the flaps even on aircraft with the gear down and welded, it's a good habit to have for complex aircraft.

>>1015583
The main thing you're going for in anything more complicated than a172 is for everything to be very deliberate. Reaching over and flicking the flap lever up on rollout isn't deliberate when it's not part of a checklist, and it's a habit that could bend up an airplane down the road...

That's not to say it's never appropriate though. If an agricultural pilot or parachute jump pilot ran the whole checklist every time they did a flight, they wouldn't make any money because they'd be sitting around burning sunlight and fuel.

The reason they're chewing you out is because you're in a training environment, so the whole point is to do things to the highest achievable standard.

>>1015568
Well, could ask Thule AFB really nicely if I can borrow a chinnok, this will not work though.

I was thinking I could cut off the wings, and throw it on a flatbed and just drive it out piece by piece On the ice road, or other routes.

I'd need to get Greenland's permission though, Greenland got super pissed how they originally left the camp. , was thinking I could tie a bunch of ropes to it, and attach some floats to it in the winter, then come summer when the ice melts, I can get a small crawler and pull it out in chunks. I would likely attach rope to the engines, since they are probably the strongest part of the airframe at thus point.

I could also get a drysuit and swim to the wreck in the summer, cut some of the control cables, need to make an actual plan though, need to scout the location a bit better.

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>>1015494
>that can be fixed

"lol"

I can guarantee you that it will never fly again.

>>1015584
Nah I practice the "identify-verify" with the flaps and I understand the importance of practicing such procedures, but my instructor was highlighting the fact that I was doing so on the runway rather than after I passed the runway hold short line. The only reason I could think was for workload management/distraction

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>>1015590
certainly not with that attitude. It could still provide some useful parts though, I am interested in another B-29 as well, that has a significant history its in a better condition then kee bird, but only barely.

Basically this B-29 detected the first soviet atomic test in 1949 Igniting the cold war
#44-62214, Pros-right next to/on AFB in AK
Cons, Even if restored, likely will never fly due to significance

>>1015590
>>1015610
I don't think either of these airframes will ever fly again

>>1015593
Good enough reason to me.

>>1015739
Probably not, but it would be nice to see the second one turned into a museum piece, definetly deserve's to be in a museum

>>1015588

You are a child.

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>22 hours now
>still can't handle more than a few words spoken to me in RT in flight
>mental RAM overload with anything more than a QNH readback
>mfw fucked up talking to a military ATSU requesting a basic service on a navigation trip

>>1015568

>http://www.rent-helicopters.com/aerial%20work/rent-aircrane-helicopters.html

the fuck there is not

>>1015951
Holy acronyms Batman.


Just speak plain English with the controlles until you're comfortable using the lingo, have a conversation with them. It's kinda goofy, but it'll get you started.

>>1015855
Realitivly, I'm 20 with no actual experience with aircraft

>>1016010
And where, pray tell, are you going to get the money to haul an aircraft frozen in ice or bogged down in a swamp out of its predicament in the first place? That's the sort of shit that the Smithsonian has to scrounge for

>>1015951
We all went through that awkward period of incompetency on the radios. It's kinda like an unintentional hazing, if you think about it. It'll improve with time and practice

>>1016029
Oh man do I remember how horrible on the radios I was several years ago. Took me a minute each radio call just to get my thoughts together, forcing my instructor to have to make the call half the time.

First cross country is tomorrow, any tips?

>>1016036
Solo or with instructor?

>>1016047
With instructor.

>>1016015
Who said anything about moving it?

the one in AK they plan on draining the "pond" they just need the money to do so, so they can study it further.

As for kee bird, I've heard there is a plan for it, it's just kinda in the works, I think the plan is to just chop it up into smaller pieces, then just store it for parts.

>>1016049
Have fun with it. Enjoy the views, and practice your pilotage/dead reckoning. See how accurate your numbers are; it'll put meaning to all of the work that goes into flight planning

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We've been having issues with cows causing low visibility for the past few hours.

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>>1016036
Know your E6B wiz wheel. and trim you plane well so you can focus on your calculations.
Distance+time to checkpoint to get actual ground speed, and then ground speed and distance to time to next checkpoint/destination.
And also use time to find fuel burn/remaining
Know how to apply drift correction.
But overall, just have fun.
Bring a bottle of water, and sip on it every now and then. It really helps you to focus.
If you're allowed by your school/instructor, actually land and taxi back instead of touch and go's. Take five minutes on the ramp if it's close to catch your breath, have some water, stretch your arms, and then continue on. And sure to allow for that on your flight plan total time. (~ 7-10 min each stop)
You can ask your instructor to take the helm for a little if you feel overwhelmed.
One last thing; on my second solo cross country I landed a 172 in a direct 12kt+ gusting crosswind.. Don't me like me. I should have done a low and over.

Be safe up there, and have fun!
Good luck!

>>1015951
When I started on the radios, I stumbled forever on my registration 'Whisker Victee"...
And even just the other day I got mixed up where I was on unicom.
You'll get it eventually.
like >>1016006 said, take it slow.
the controllers are there to help you. You can ask them to repeat things or rephrase it, or say it slower.

>>1014004
There's a box with four numbers near all the radios.
Change them to 7500 and you'll get to see a fighter jet up close for a personal airshow!

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>>1015186
Know what would be infinitely easier? Go to Russia or China and buy a surplus Tu-4 from a museum. They probably have a warehouse of spare parts. Its literally a B-29 copied with metric system parts.

>>1016001
Have fun paying for that

>>1016006
Acronyms are love.
Acronyms are life.

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>>1016061
>>1016076
Thanks for the advice, had a lot of fun. Instructor said I did well and my numbers were pretty close.

>>1016119
DEATH TO ACRONYMS!

>>1016091
It's too late, I don't think it's possible to buy the only survived Tu-4 from a museum.
In China they have two more

>>1016421
Good for you! Glad to hear it went well.
Have fun on your solos! :)

Get your written done and out of the way as soon as you can.
That'll give you less to focus on and keep it from being pushed to the last minute.

>>1016421
How long was the whole trip?

>>1016535
110 NM round trip, logged about 1.6 on the hobbs.

Hey, has anyone ever tuned into any local radio stations with their ADF?

>>1016572
Yes.

>>1016572
I've tuned into an NDB with my car radio;
Does that count?

What ever happened to that bacon raider tripcode fellow?

>>1017103
BaconRider is evanescent in nature, appearing to us as he chooses and vanishing without a trace

What are some good ways to build flight time?

Is there any job you can get on in under 500 hours?

>>1017145
CFI

>>1017209
FUG

Can a DC8 be retrofitted from quad to be a twin

>>1017145
Banner towing and CFI

>>1017252
Why though

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>>1017252

>>1017403
>>1017431
Operate in 21st C economically?

The weather was finally good enough for me to do the flight portion of my initial CFI checkride and I aced it! Had to reschedule 3 times for hurricanes etc.
Never let it be said everyone fails CFI initial.

How the fuck does anyone stay instrument current by just flying?

>>1017510
There's 737s in the world, now

>>1017567
But 737 have less range and capacity?

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>>1017569
And newer engines and wider bodies, and DC-8s are still used as cargo haulers

>>1017582
>wider bodies
Just one inch like 707
>Newer engines
That's essentially implied from what I ask, don't think any engines that have powered DC-8 can do it reliably with only two of them.

>>1017610
And I'm still trying to figure out why you want to change around an airliner that's not been produced for decades for no apparent improvement

iPad Pro 9.7 128 gig cellular or an iPad Mini 128 GB cellular? I don't want to be carrying around a bunch of paper plates next semester when I start instrument and when I fly outside of my school environment. What do you guys prefer? I'm trying to save money but if the added screen size is worth it, I might be willing to go with the Pro

>>1017624
I'm just wondering if such a change is made could this be the MoM boeing looking for

>>1017638
>I'm trying to save money
Then why are you buying an overpriced fashion accessory?

>>1017662
I don't think Boeing is going to restart production on the DC line any time soon

>>1017638
I'd get the mini, it would be less awkward in the cockpit

>>1016572
Yeah I used to listen to the cricket when I was navving

>>1017669
Well, if they're going to then I won't ask

>>1017638
Go with the mini. Big enough to read plates and charts but not take up too much space

>>1017638
Cellular is waste of money

>>1017638
What's wrong with paper?

>>1017735
Don't get GPS on the wifi only models.

Lurker here, by any chance do any of you know the current state of San Diego Aerospace museum? the last time i went there was in the 80s.

Since an accident i want to go in a nostalgia trip.

>>1017791
Different guy, but I find paper makes a ton of clutter

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I was thinking about when I was in US Army Aviation. The Crew Chiefs have to spot for the pilots to they don't hit things when low.

Then I was in my Nissan LEAF and had an idea.

put fish eye cameras around the helicopter. use software to correct. create an artificial overhead image. then add some graduated lines so you know how close you are to something. throw in some ultrasonic or laser range finders too.

then the pilot or co pilot can look at a screen on his instrument panel and know where his bird is, in relation to the objects on the ground.

>>1018113
It's gotten a lot better in the past 15 years, actually

I just got done planning 2 of my 3 solo XC's guys. Then after that, I only have 6 hours of dual with my instructor until I take my checkride. It's getting real..

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Went for a quick ride with a buddy today. Beautiful fall colors

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>>1018149
This type of thing does that on a budget.
Larger vehicles cost more.

>>1017834
You shouldn't use the built in GPS when you're flying, it's not reliable enough for aviation use. Get the wifi one and a Stratus or home brew ADSB in solution

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>>1018420
Not gonna lie, that looks an awful lot like where I fly

Does anyone here have experience getting their PPL in Canada? I' ready begin working towards it but I'm going in dark here.

It's a little much for me to pay for at this moment, but is there anyway for me to get in the cockpit with someone just to acquaint myself a little beforehand and ask questions? Are there flight schools that are cool with this?

Background: I've never used flight following before.

Question: I take off from a Class C on a westward departure with FF to another class C about 60 nm away. I stay with my departure frequency. They'll probably hand me off to the other class C's approach. What is my call to them?

Me: 'Area' approach, Piper 12345
Approach: 'Area' approach, Piper 345 go ahead
Me: Area approach, Piper 345, 'position' at 3,500 , inbound for full stop landing

Is that how it would go somewhat?

>>1018556
If you're on FF, every time you get handed off to a new controller, all you have to say is "--- approach, piper 12345 at ---- feet"

once you get handed off to tower you can be more specific. "--- tower, piper 12345 at ---- feet with information -- inbound for landing"

>>1018556
>>1018571
sorry, I was also assuming you're in radar contact with ATC. If you hear "radar contact," you don't need to make position reports.

>>1018573
Gotcha. I'll pick up FF next time I go up and see how it goes. Thanks

>>1018556
Any time you get a code, they know exactly where you are. I just say "with you at X feet" when I get handed off.

>>1018667
My instructors always told me reporting 'with you' was irrelevant, always had me respond with; "X approach, 123 mike papa 15 miles north inbound at five thousand five hundred, full stop."

>>1018884
correct, although it's just a few words but I can respectfully avoid a pet peeve of the controllers to get on their good side.

>>1018884

That's good brevity. I usually give approach request instead of landing intention.

"Approach, C/S, 15 miles to the north, 10.5, alpha, overhead."

>>1013871
>>1013961

Still nothing. Ugh this waiting process is the worst. Hopefully there's news next week, or the next.

>>1019078
Oh, I thought I was on 4chan. How did I find my way onto a blog?

>>1019214
Fuck off, just accept the bump and move on

PPL here, going onto my CPL.

I'm looking to pick up Foreflight, I'm not interested in any GPS functionality at the moment as I still want to work on my dead reckoning. What I do want it for is to significantly reduce cockpit clutter and to ease flight planning. Anyone else use Foreflight purely in that capacity? Wondering how well it worked out for them and/or if it's a bit overkill if I don't want a moving map on my lap.

>>1019365
Yeah, I do. It's not overkill in the least. Think, you have all your charts, approach plates, airport facilities, frequencies, weather, flight planning capabilities, W/B calculations, and reference documents all in one place. No hauling around 7 pounds of paper you gotta replace every 6 months or whatever, and with the charts you can zoom in or out and easily follow your route instead of folding this billboard size sheet in the cockpit. It's the best aviation investment you can get in my opinion

>>1019365
>>1019441
and then the battery dies

>>1019445
>what is a 12v charging adapter
Even if it's just for planning on the ground I think it's still worth it.

>>1019445
>>1019447
I think in this case a compromise is actually best.

Make use of the convenience, but don't depend on it. Know that if it fails, because there are so many ways electronics can fail, that you won't be fucked.

Use it for reference, incorporate it lightly, but don't allow yourself to get rusty.

And if flying is your career, it's a really sound investment.

First solo XC is in the books today. I don't know how I feel about it. I felt overwhelmed with how fast everything was happening, and I don't want to say i would have been lost if I didn't have a GPS because I still had a general idea of where I was, but it definitely helped me. Also made a lot of silly mistakes like takeoff and landing checlists. At the end of the day though, I made it home in one piece.

Anyone want to share how they felt on their first solo XC?

>>1019935
Nervous as fuck. Done it a dozen times prior but it doesn't really make you feel any less nervous.

>>1019935
Honestly, I was fine.

Thing is, I had prior experience navigating and working with radios due to military service, which is something most people don't have the benefit of, so I can understand you're being nervous and task-overloaded. Just don't get into the mishap chain.

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DOGET ME!!,
,Glory,, of the highest order,,, laffin at my coward., how toturkey? ,,isitreason , to deliver Samis in Aleppo?,
,,,,Aleppo,, never a late or cold complaint on pizza.,,, extra, onions and goat.,
,,I will pay 1000$ ,,for a sami(koshr), deliverd to random Aleppo.,, FB?, you have the power to change out one Freedomb,, for a Samomb??,, ya, itsalot.

>>1020051
You forgot your tripcode bacon

>>1020051
BaconRider, why are you in Aleppo?

Just how unreliable are NDBs?

I've been told to always suspect treachery when using an ADF

>>1020254
Never even used an NDB, but I hear they go to the azimuth you set them to, but don't tell you if you've drifted off course, so you can end up paralleling your intended flight path and wind up several miles offset from where you wanted to be, like a Lieutenant on land nav

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>>1020129
Fallawfl Snackbar!,, Breadbombs (wholewheat) ,,toall whoresist!!,, avacado ,thinslices,, FATportions!,
,,,,cant hold AK47,, and dripy Pita with onionrings.,,
,VICTORY,,, thru Gastric amazement!

>>1015551
B-26 hasn't been done

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>>1020319
The one owned by Kermit Weeks is probably the most serviceable one. Give him a call :)

>>1015590
I'm a de-icer i could probably get my beta over there and help him get it out of the ice with some good old type IV fluid.

I of course expect about 15.000 dollares for the job and there will be no holdover time from me.

>>1020310
...You ate Aleppo?

David Clark or Bose?
Prices aside

>>1021004
My David Clarks never need batteries, but they'll never be as quiet as Bose. Cost is the limiting factor, really.

>>1021004
David Clark.

I'm overwhelmed for my oral. And my examiner is gonna tear me a new one if he sees my written exam as I'm getting low 80's high 70's on the practice ones.

>>1021192
What course? Private?

>>1021192
Re-read your study material, and take more practice tests. anything less than 90 on a government exam is abysmal, son. THEY PUBLISH THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. Freakin memorize that shit, takes like 5 hours to memorize the whole bank.

A&p student here. Is this the place for me?

>>1021334
Why not?

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A moment of silence for the Short Sunderland...

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>>1021423
You'll be glad to know there's still a Martin Mars in service as a water bomber

>>1013867
>Can it float? edition

>DHC-2: Massively popular float plane
>DHC-3: Frequently equipped with floats as well
>DHC-6: Can be equipped with floats
I want to know if you could put a Dash-8 on floats.

>>1021316
> This is the FAA approved method

It's not like this in the Old Continent, old chap. Our banks have tens of thousands of questions and exams are made with computers.

I'm glad I've already got my 14 passes, it was a fucking awful time period.

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>>1021545
It'd be pretty sweet.

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>>1019214

Seeing you had the most exquisite kind of interest in my career turns, I'm gonna give you an update.

I got the call and am expecting to start in early next year. Pretty stoked, desu. Hopefully this was the last job interview I had to take in my life.

Pic related, hopefully gonna end up in a similar cockpit in a few years.

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>>1021545
I actually had a crazy idea of putting conformal retractable floats on a Dash 8 that stow themselves along the fuselage and away from the main landing gear, so it can fly without all the added drag. It would probably be quite complex and expensive with a shortened lifetime on parts, but it's an idea

>>1015157
Seems obvious but know you Vspeeds, i was literally given a mini quiz on them as soon as i arrived.

Expect the simulated engine out to be midway through a maneuver.

Think everything out loud, every checklist item and the majority of your thought process for procedures so the DE knows you understand them.

>>1015157
No fast hands in the cockpit.

>>1021801
Never heard this saying before.

That mean follow a checklist for anything and everything?

Today, October 28, 2016

Fedex dc-10 burns to the ground at Fort Lauderdale.

American airlines 767 catches fire on the runway of o'hare.

Trump Pence 737 plows off the runway into the barrier at laguardia.

>>1022001
These have happened in three's before. Such is life.

>>1021885
I guess that means that whatever you do, think it through before acting. And always follow sop.

I just got my Canadian PPL, working towards commercial.
I have money and time to fly everyday, all day.
Based in the western prairies.
Any suggestions on interesting places to fly to build xc hours?

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So, a while back an electric plane flew across the English channel (pic related). Do you guys think that battery/solar aircraft are the future of light aviation? Personally I think they're cool as fugg, even if they're impractical at the moment.

https://youtu.be/-meQ8sAl5Ng bonus video of the crossing

>>1022081
Solar? No. Batteries? Maybe, but the technology has a ways to go yet. Cool concept for sure, and in time I see them becoming more practical and common

>>1022081
Highly doubt it for forseeable future. Flying a heavier than air vehicles need a lot of energy. Costs developing such technologies are skyhigh.

We're gonna see some algae, corn or some sort of a renewable based jet fuel in following decades, though.

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>>1022084
WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT LANDING ON THE CENTERLINE

>>1021885
Just means to take a potato and think about what you have before acting. You rarely hear about people saving the jet because they executed an EP lightning fast but you'll hear about mishaps all the time where people started turning stuff off and flipping switches before they knew exactly what they had.

Violated some class C by almost 100 feet yesterday... luckily nobody said anything.

>>1021423
I want one so bad. I want to fly cargo up and down the coast of Africa in short hops, taking on the occasional passenger, keeping small villages supplied and connected, running medical supplies, you name it. They're just so aesthetic.

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>>1022475

>>1022475
I would file a NASA report if I were you. CYA.

>>1013961
who gives a shit in 5 years they'll be hiring DUIs

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>>1020267

You don't "set" an ADF per se. The head points to the station always (Magnetic bearing), the tail is where you are in relation to the station. If you want to intercept a new course it's "easier" to fly parallel to your current course and "PUSH THE HEAD" - "PULL THE TAIL," lots of planes have fixed card ADFs some have movable, even with movable cards it's generally best to leave ADF with 0 degrees (or North) at the top... makes figuring out relative bearing easiest. Sorry for my shitty drawing, but in this situation you have a plane flying directly south of the station, ADF points right to the NDB. If you want to intercept a 330 bearing to the station, then it requires a turn to the right to make the head of the needle fall to 330. I'm no artist just an airline pilot so excuse my shit drawing.

>>1022081
no
get out

>>1022475
Its within the buffer anyways

>>1020267
uh... not so much. You won't have DME off an NDB and the NDB itself won't tell you what radial you are on like a TACAN or VOR but you can use your RMI to fly a radial using the technique >>1022703 described... Though I learned it as "heads fall, tails rise". It's all the same, just remember you are the tail of the needle and the head will fall off to whatever side it's on.

If you try to do this the radial you're flying is vulnerable to magvar so you can't just draw a straight line off an NDB and match it exactly using ADF/RMI card in the aircraft... probably...

>>1022722
>>1022703
Fair enough, but from what I've heard they're going to vanish entirely and VORs are going to be there for emergencies only, anyway. I keep hearing about this ADS-B thing being the future.

>>1022804
GPS is the way of the future my nigga.

>>1022804
>>1022830

There was a presentation at defcon a few years ago about ADS-B. The guy didn't know much about aviation but the points he brings up are sort of interesting and in the realm of plausibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXv1j3GbgLk

is it even worth it to become a pilot nowadays with self flying planes being the future and all

>>1022931
no, don't start

>>1022934
i already started like 2 years ago

>>1022931
It's hardly worth it just because of the ridiculous hour requirements to even quality for a job.

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>>1021423
>>1022568
>tfw you weren't born in the golden age of aviation

Fuck my life for real my dude

>>1022931
Yes goyim stay out of the market, it's too competitive.

>>1022983
0 hours got me hired no problem.

There is no local time.
᠎ ᠎ ᠎᠎ ᠎ ᠎᠎ ᠎ ᠎᠎ ᠎ ᠎ONLY ZULU

>>1022931
I don't see entirely autonomous aircraft becoming a thing, well, ever. Too much can go wrong as it is, and added complexity always leads to more potential for fuck-ups. A trained pilot will always be the ultimate failsafe, especially if human life is on the line.

The aviation industry as a whole needs to get its head out of its ass with its hiring practices, though.

>>1023369
>The aviation industry as a whole needs to get its head out of its ass with its hiring practices, though.
Yes.
YES.

>>1023396
What are your concerns? It's a competitive field, so they make it hard to get in. What's unreasonable about that?

>>1023516
>make it artificially hard because reasons
No, it's choking regulation killing the field.

>>1023531
You're not kidding. The hoops somebody needs to jump through to start a simple air taxi service is ridiculous. Even a small airfreight business is a bunch of work.

>>1022931
If you get someone else to pay for your training, yeah why not. If not, the risk and reward are not balanced enough to justify the costs at the moment.

I started in the air force, paid a bit on the side to get civilian ratings and got hired at pretty low hours to the major league. All in all I've spent under $20k my own cash for my training and I never had to take any loans.

Regarding self flying planes, well have you ridden a self driving train?

>>1023540
>well have you ridden a self driving train?
In airports they have them, yes.

But, yes, I'd agree with you that you will always have a person on these vehicles because of emergencies and error correcting.

>>1013867
I just got my powerplant license the other week, getting my airframe license this week.

>>1023540
>air force
>paid murderer
Stop attentionwhoring for ``valor''

Today I landed a 172 on the numbers,
on runway 16 with 23021G27KT.
Will I be forgiven for being 5' off centerline?

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>>1023670
Sounds pretty great to me. Ain't nowhere else in the world you can fly top of the line, cutting edge tech, babby murdering assault airplanes.

>>1023674
I just got my private with 50 hours, so that might explain it.

>>1023675
>babby murdering assault airplanes
Nice implied ad hominem. Guns are good, as guns are for freedom: militaries are against freedom.

>>1023674
Touchdown spot is just one of several parameters being assessed on a checkride. Good job, but always look for improvement

>>1023679
Not the other guy, but go be a cock somewhere else.

>>1023674
5" would be okay, but over a feet is pushing it

>>1023679
Okay, why don't you scooter on down to your nearest Starbucks there champ.

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>>1023679
I'm sitting here wondering if you fly planes or not, because that sounds like the mentality of a dude who goes to college for women's studies instead of someone who pilots metal contraptions that fly.

[spoiler]Speaking of which, I'm 2 months away from starting my PPL and at the same time I'm hyped out of my mind I'm really anxious and scared. My biggest fear is just being a complete flop after being a bragging cunt with flight sims. When you guys feel like your flying is sub par or whatever, what do you do? Keep flying or just take a break?[/spoiler]

>>1023690
Even with that kind of wind?
Wow, ok, off to the field for some practice...

>>1023805
I'm (partly) messing with you.

But you should always aim to land directly on the center line, it's a bad practice to start to veer off the center no matter how small the aircraft is and no matter how wide the runway is. Eventually you could be flying a big jets to uncomfortably narrow strips.

At least never ask if landing off the center line is ok. It never is.

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>>1023809
You never can catch a break can you.
Gusts 10 knots over max demonstrated component with only 55 hours on the books, and you're still expected to make centerline. Sheesh.
>kidding

haha, yeah, I know, and I usually am pretty good at making centreline.
On approach I was stable and lined up, but the wind picked up as I made the threshold at 5'.
Probably Coulda' shoulda' woulda' gone around, but other than center, it was a good landing and roll out. Got back center as soon as I was down.

I was mostly glad I got on the ground before it got even windier. kek
>~40° crab on downwind.

https://youtu.be/Z8b1_Aj629Q

We flew today for the first time!

>>1023801
I find taking some time off from flying helps clear your head if you're doing something dopey. If you start doing something dopey in the air I find just backing off and flying straight and level to take a breath helps.

>>1023821
Landing on center line isn't more or less difficult with more or less wind. It will become second nature.

The key is to correct any errors immediately. If you're on one mile final, and ten feet left of centerline, fix it NOW. Do not curve it in so you're centered by the time you're on quarter mile final. You will end up trying to correct errors all the way up to the last second.

>>1023877
Of course, when you've got a couple hundred hours in your airplane, you can make things up as you go along, with tight bases and big slips to landing with no real final at all, but that only comes later. For now, learn haw your actions affect the airplane a mile from when the action is made. stabilized approaches. once you can consistently grease the landings in at all different CG placements and weights, in all sorts of weather, THEN you can make up stuff as you go. for now, be consistent...

>>1023877
not him
Wouldn't already being in a full rudder slip when it's gusting have some effect?

>>1023877
>>1023880
Thanks for the tips. Really.
It's supposed to be windy again tomorrow.
I'll find a crosswind runway for a few hours and see what I can improve on.

Anybody ever flown to Yellowknife or the NWT in general?
Any suggestions?

>>1023881
yes. Learn to read the conditions, and plan accordingly. that could mean using a crab later into the approach instead of a slip, carrying a few extra knots into short final, using less flaps, or going to another airport.

>>1023881
>>1023979
When in doubt, go around.

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>you will never build and successfully fly a machine from your favourite chinese cartoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNWrJZDPu4Y

why live lads?

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>>1024080
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOYA!
>>1024080
Nowis thetime.,, material is cheap,, modeling in minutes.,,,
>>1023821
Pffffft!,, centerline?,,CenterLine?!,, we don't need no Stinking centerline.,, thedges, less wear and tear., formation landings.,, heck,,i had instructer line up on TAXIWAY,,,, uhhhh,boss, 19er is over here.

>>1024142
BaconRider exclusively flies taildraggers with arctic tires and helicopters

>>1022983

BoooHOoooo airline captains at the regionals dont want to babysit me because I think I know how to fly jets at 250 hours waaaaaaaaa, I'll need to flight instruct for 18 months that's too harddd

idiot

>>1024142
>>1024168
BaconRider is an ancient aviation spirit that materializes in the form of 4chan posts.

>>1024531
That's extremely possible, though his non-corporeal form is both majestic and capable of some rather nice photography

>>1024517
Nice shitpost.

The fact that your, literally, only choice is flight instruction out of 250 hours of schooling and 60 thousand dollars is messed up. On top of that not everyone should be teaching people, there are just some people that SHOULD NOT be teachers.

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>>1024560
>to advance you must recruit more pilots
I smell a ponzi scheme

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>>1024517
>waaaaaaaaa, I'll need to flight instruct for 18 months that's too harddd

You're saying you'll get 1250 hours in 18 months by instructing in cessnas? Doubt it.

FI probably has to live 3-5 years with odd hours and shitty pay while every student tries to kill him in order to land a job at a regional to earn even less (but work more).

>>1024614
It's been like that since the beginning of flight. Inexperienced have had to gain experience in any way possible to move up the ladder. Most of the flight instructors are inexperienced looking to get out of teaching.

Only those who really love aviation and/or teaching continue teaching on the side. Sadly, most companies prohibit nowadays instructing in a different company on the side.

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>>1024622
I'm starting to regret my career choice.

>>1024634
>the girl you like
>has a polish tramp stamp

>>1024614
Pyramid schemes require the promise of profit, though. Everyone who starts flying knows it's going to be expensive, and it's not exactly like your former students keep funneling the cash up to you once they're teaching

>>1024624
Give it 100% or get out ma dude. There is no room, financially speaking, for second guessing a career choice in aviation.

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Tried to get a shot of Mt. Washington all covered in snow today, but it isn't as big in the frame as it was in person

>>1024778
I hate it when that happens.

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I saw a guy flying one of these down low the other day. Do they at least have some way of monitoring comms? It seems a bit dangerous to go out without some sort of radio receiver

I will say, however, that it looked fun as fuck

>>1025101
You can carry a handheld, but often times they just don't bother with radios. Where they usually fly radios aren't required per the regulations, but it's still smart to have them.

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Can anyone identify this plane for me? My father thought I'd know for some reason but I know fuck all about planes.

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>>1025370
Curtiss A-12

>>1025375
Thanks man, I'd post porn as thanks but this is a blue board.

Think Trump will loosen the regulations a bit?

>>1025716
If by loosen, you mean privatize, then yes.
Landing fees for everyone!!

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>>1025717
>>1025716
forgot pic

Failed Ryanair interview

it was my only chance of being a captain in the next 5 or 6 years

>>1025732
That sucks man

>>1025748
Well you know what they say.

Life is shit and full of disappointments and then you die.

>>1025763
I know right, mommy always used to tell me that right before going to bed

>>1025732
What went wrong?

>>1025717
Do you really believe that?

>>1025805
Maybe not, but I wouldn't count it out of the realm of possibility.

>>1025370
What was the prize?

>>1025117
It seems like having at least a way to monitor comms on nearby approach frequencies might come in handy with those, the guy flying it looked like he was crawling through the air

Starting night endorsement tomorrow.
Any tips?

>>1025917
Lol, silly canukistan with your night endorsements.
For real advice: carry like seven kinds of flashlights and batteries for same, especially when you do IFR flight at night. I HIGHLY recommend this thing called a "hug light" you can probably get it at princess auto. Google it, it looks goofy but the shit is VITAL. Makes setting up the cockpit, preflighting, writing notes, etc. fun. Has a red light to not ruin night vision too. It's better than a head lamp because doesn't interfere with headsets, and the light comes from below eye level, so if you have to use to light up an instrument panel, there won't be shadows. Not a paid shill.

Other than that, eat lots of fruits and vegetables and DON'T SMOKE, ESPECIALLY before you fly, it wrecks your night vision. Blue berries make a difference, I swear.

Manage your sleep well and don't drink too much coffee. You'll get jittery, want to piss, and it does fak all for your alertness. Just sleep well.

Learning to discern optical illusions and mastering night depth perception just takes time, no advice to give there. You'll like night flight. The air is calmer, there's less traffic, it's cooler, so the motor runs better.... it's comfy as hell. You can see your VFR checkpoints more easily, as they're often the only thing that's lit up, or are lit up uniquely. OK, go have fun, no more free instruction today m

>>1025732
hey I botched one too a few years back

Now I'm at pretty comfy place, didn't have to pay for a rating or mess with self-employing.. Had to wait over a year after the FR interview, though, to get a second job interview.

Things are easier now, there are possibilities around every corner, it seems

Every now and then I wonder if a big airliner job is worth going for, if for no other reason that it might get boring to just program an autopilot and monitor instruments for a couple hours

Then, of course, I think about the six figure salary it could lead to, and it piques my interest once again

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>>1025940
Thank you kind sir, much appreciated.
I'll get one of those lights in the morning.
I was postponed until Monday for 'weather' that has now cleared up. But I'm glad I now have time to get that light and some blueberries.

What do they have in the states instead of a night endorsement?

>The Unique World of Princess Auto
>Pic related

>>1026178
Three hours of night flying, and three full-stop landings at night every 90 days to remain current

>PPL for CPL multi IFR, 58 hours, flying every day. 18y/o.
>Soloed at 8 hours, PPL at 47, passed all tests first attempt; high marks. 'A' student highschool and college.
>Several good references for my work ethic, abilities, and intellect.

My dream is to fly cargo DC-4's etc in the arctic.

A major carrier has a base at my home airport.

Should I just walk in, bright and early Monday morning, and ask for a job as ramp crew?
Volunteer to lend a hand? Get my commercial and then become a rampie?

I sincerely appreciate your time, advice, and direction.

>>1026229

I'm not from the US or Canada, so my advice might not be accurate.

As I understand it, majors want 3 or 4 year college degrees? Even if you're not interested in them RIGHT NOW, you might be at some time. It's gonna be pain in the ass finishing that when you're older.

Also, having a second career in case of losing medical would in my opinion be essential in this career.

>>1026229
See if they have any internships. That's a great way to get a foot in the door

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>>1024168

>>1026392
>>1026391
>>1026390
>>1026393
I want to say BaconRider has found his way to Wyoming

Did anyone ever give up on their dreams of being a career pilot? I'm finishing up my PPL but it's just not fun anymore. Reconsidering my career choices. Going to take a pretty lengthy break after my checkride though.

>>1021596
You know that airline doesnt exist anymore ?

>>1026661
Im giving up before I even started.

>>1026661
Maybe just enjoy your PPL for a bit before going nuts on training, eh?

>>1026661
Not fun any more? You're doing it wrong then

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There's not a lot of seaplane bases on the actual sea, are there?

>>1016572
No, but I have tuned to LHBP's 31L ILS with an ancient FM radio once, while I was passing the airport on a long trip. It struck me as something very strange, as if I recall correctly, the freq should be something like 110.5Mhz, but on that old radio I could only hear the Morse ID on the lowest possible frequency around 80Mhz.

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From Krautchan the other day.

Who the fuck let this pothead fly a plane?

>>1027121
He sounds like a bitch. A belly-landing isn't exactly ideal, but having recurring panic attacks over it seems excessive.

Someone needs to lay off the pot, maybe

>>1027161
He did say the plane rolled.

But still
>pothead learning to fly
what the fuck.

>>1027172
I guess I didn't read too thoroughly, that's not fun sounding. Still, the panic attacks are a bit much, and yeah, what the fuck is a pothead doing behind the controls of an aircraft?

I've had two cars go off the highway in bad winter conditions and never had a single 'Nam flashback or panic attack about either. Fuck, they've become jokes at this point.

>>1027121
Something's not right about this story.
how do you snap an airplanes wings off on a belly landing? Also, he realizes the accident will be investigated, and proceeds to do drugs? There is a good chance he will be drug tested even though he's a student. If he's doing missed approaches and is flying a complex airplane, he's going to be a certified pilot already, and considered a crew member (being that he's a certified pilot sitting at a crew station) even if he's receiving instruction.

Also, he says they went missed, but says nothing about doing a hold to troubleshoot and run checklists... or go to an alternate with better winds.

The whole thing sounds off.

Now that Trump is president. Can we get SST airliners?

non stop atlanta to tokyo flights are a fucking nightmare at 747 speeds.

>>1027268
God I hope so

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>>1027268

http://newatlas.com/boom-xb-1-prototype/46452/

People are working on it,

>>1027298
That's fucking neat.

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>>1027265
snaped wingson Cardinal?,, I don't think so.
,,,smokelot of Canibii?, how do you have a picnic, withoutit?,, nice sami,, smoothy.,, mmmm cookies!!

>>1024778
That's what a wide lens does. You'll probably want a short tele for the job, but I'd imagine it would be difficult to fumble around with one while you're flying. As a photographer I'd really like to hitch a ride on a Cessna and get some nice shots from above, but I don't know any pilots and suck at socializing.

>>1027298
This one max range is 4500nm only

>>1027387
>max range is 4500nm
>nm

>>1027388
Everybody use nautical miles to denote distance and everybody use nm to denote nautical miles, what's wrong

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>>1027121

This degenerate is going to get someone killed someday.

>>1027394
>The nanometre (International spelling as used by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures; SI symbol: nm) or nanometer (American spelling) is a unit of length in the metric system, equal to one billionth of a metre (0.000000001 m)

>>1027467
>A nautical mile is a unit of measurement defined as exactly 1852 meters (about 6,076.1 feet or 1.1508 statute miles). Historically, it was defined as one sixtieth of the distance between two parallels of latitude separated by one degree. Today it is an SI derived unit, being rounded to an even number of meters[2] and remains in use for both air and marine navigation[3] and for the definition of territorial waters.[4]
Kill yourself.

>>1027265
You bring up several salient points, good sir. The whole thing does sound fucky

>>1027478
You can kill Leeham first https://leehamnews.com/2016/11/17/will-boom-succeed-concorde-failed/

>>1027394
SI Brochure memes

>>1027394
Someone trying to be funny is what's wrong

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This video is for those of you that want to get incredibly mad at piss poor flying and CRM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hbWO0gL6g

>>1027616
>All that time and altitude to recover from a stall.
>Still crash the fucking thing into the ocean.

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>>1027298
>it's a fancy F-5

>>1027616
What the fuck, how do you even get to this point in your career without being able to identify and correct a basic stall?

>>1027616
How?

Seriously, how?

>>1027616
>>1027620
>>1027661
>>1027674

Are you professional pilots or ppl wannabe sky gods? There were multiple contributing factors for that crash. Since that incident my employer added high altitude stalls/attitude flying to recurrent training syllabus.

Of course *I* would've recovered from that stall, no biggie.

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>>1027712

>>1027712
I mean, I understand that the pitot tubes iced over initially and that had them confused, but fuck, at some point you need to realize what's going on.

>>1027720

This. The altimeters and VSIs were correct the whole time, and showed an alarmingly fast decent while nose-up. That alone should have been enough, even without airspeed.

The worst part though is the way Airbus allows separate input from the two sticks. Had the right stick not been able to override, or at least nullify the effect of the left from 6:00 until the end, they may have had enough time to recover.

>>1027722
Airbus balks at the idea of letting a filthy human pilot ruin their beautiful plane's autonomous operation

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>>1027722
>>1027788
THISSSS

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>inb4

>>1027712
>wow like how do you expect a pilot to recognize an aerodynamic stall like come on guys

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>>1027864
>>1027712

>We are never taught this in PPL - too advanced aerobatics
>instructors never drill it into your heads
>STALL-ALL STALL-ALL (rattle rattle rattle) SINKRATE

Still, I will give it to you that airbus doesn't have stick shakers. or linked controls. or a proper flight deck.
So that might be the contributing factors you're looking for.

>>1027661
>basic stall

>Nighttime
>Hard-IMC, absolutely zero visual reference
>Malfunctioning instruments, even further limiting available reference
>Swept-wing aircraft with radically different stall characteristics from straight-wing aircraft
>Fly-by-wire system that is literally programmed to make stalls impossible under normal conditions
>Extreme AoA to the point that the stall warning registers faulty and goes away if you pull up harder, then comes back when you push forward

>basic stall
Yeah, nah.

>>1027882
>Yeah, nah.
Exactly. If you want to pick a thing to blame, I'd start with the fact that the plane was providing the pilots with confusing and actually misleading information. That seems like a far bigger issue.

>>1027788
>>1027722
Yes, a typical Airbus plane allows two inputs at once, but then it repeatedly screams "DUAL INPUT!" every 5 seconds or so. You have to be deaf and/or stupid not to notice such callouts, especially in emergencies.

Also, checked.

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>>1027121

>flying a cessna and smoking pot
>cries like a bitch after a gear-up landing which is nothing because cessna engineers did a piss-poor job designing the retract mechanism

>>1025732
How are you guys building time in the UK? I am thinking of converting over from canada.

>>1027873
There were wide plethora of warning messages displayed at the same time. For example high speed AND stall warning. Oh vsi was working? "They should've known that!" Its a mighty comfy chair you got there with all the bloody time in the world to judge what they should've done.

Jeebus this fucking forum. I'm glad most of the trolls writing here dont even have PPLs, let alone CPLs.

>>1027121

>smoking weed + flying

What the actual fuck.

>>1028497
There are lots of indications in the cockpit besides those affected by pitot icing that could have been used. Besides, if the aircraft is actually approaching an aerodynamic stall, which it did, it will tell you. There is a reason you have to perform power on/off and accelerated stalls to the buffet during your commercial checkride. The sluggish response to control inputs, the nose high attitude, the VSI indicating level/descending, and the high power setting required are all telling you that the aircraft is stalling.

And yeah, I do have my CPL.

>>1025716
Departure/arrival procedures will change at KPBI, everything else is largely speculation.

>>1028634
>>1025716
What is /gag/'s option of trusting pbs or not?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/house-chairman-trump-favors-privatizing-air-traffic-control/

>>1028661
Turning ATC into essentially the post office wouldn't be a terrible idea. That's really how it should be run with fees charged for certain uses.

>>1028497
Didn't they have some 45 thousand feet worth of time to figure shit out?

>>1028664

>Good afternoon N123AB, welcome to our Class B.
>Clear to enter upon confirmation of $50 deposit for the first 20 minutes of radar service.
>Today's vector rate is $11.21 per degree of deviation, $20.46 per 500' altitude. How do you wish to pay?

I'm no leftie, but what's wrong with a subsidized collective service?
Private airports with exorbitant landing and parking fees are bad enough.

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If Trump does privatize ATC,
I'm getting an ultralight.
Skirt and circle around all the controlled airspace squawking vfr just to frustrate them because they can't charge me.

>>1028719
kek

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>bad weather won't go away just when I need to do my qualifying cross country
>no flying in the last 10 days
The withdrawal symptoms are setting in lads

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>>1028719
>Skirt and circle around all the controlled airspace squawking vfr just to frustrate them because they can't charge me.
You don't need an ultralight to do that.

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>>1028841
I feel you.
1/2sm mist and 300' ceilings for the past week or so here.
Doesn't look to improve any time soon.

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>>1028901
Well yeah, but I'd rather do 3gph mogas with no annual versus 7gph 100ll and inspection fees.

>>1028497
t. AirFrance shill

Best weather related books? Easily my weakest area in terms of knowledge

>>1030088
Aviation Weather and Aviation Weather Services. The good news is that they're both free on the Internet from the FAA. The bad news is that they are very dry references (no pun intended), and learning the fundamentals of weather isn't exactly the most exciting subject for most people. The application of that knowledge and seeing weather in action is interesting and cool, but learning all the basics can be difficult.