How do we stop urban sprawl?

>>1007632
you don't.

it must continue

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>>1007632
By building up instead of out.

Now, if only people designed new skyscrapers with a little more artistic flare...

>>1007632

If sending your child to inner city schools wasn't the equivalent of a blood sacrifice on the altar of diversity, cities would blossom

Privatized schooling revolution would bring tons of families into cities, increase home values, and encourage more urban development. As of now there are vast urban areas in American cities that are no-go zones for people above the poverty line. They would be amazing places to live and bike if things were different

>>1007632
>How do we stop urban sprawl?
If I'm right, the Zika virus will do that. I'm not the only person who suspects that someone might have weaponized it and released it into the wild, to cause a mass die-off of humans. We'll find out in 10-20 years if this is true or not.

In the meantime: You can't stop 'urban sprawl', unless you get rid of about 90% of the humans. They keep breeding, and they want to live where they want to live, and wars would be fought if you tried to dictate to them where they can and cannot live.

>>1007650
Unless you're planning on fast, long-distance forms of transportation, like jet aircraft, going away sometime soon, the world is just effectively getting smaller, and having an isolationist attitude isn't helping anyone, all it's doing is creating unnecessary tensions between people of different ethnic backgrounds. You're better off having your kids get used to the idea now so they don't have problems later. If you don't want your daughter dating Jamal, assuming Jamal isn't a criminal and is otherwise an upstanding, law-abidng, taxpaying citizen, then you're the one with the problem that needs to be addressed.

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>>1007659
>If you don't want your daughter dating Jamal, assuming Jamal isn't a criminal and is otherwise an upstanding, law-abidng, taxpaying citizen, then you're the one with the problem that needs to be addressed.

>>1007632
Well, the San Gabriel and San Bernardino Mountains stopped urban sprawl in LA.

Things are getting better though. Hopefully Measure M is approved by voters this November. You can already go from the SGV to Santa Monica on the train, albeit slowly and with 3 trains.

>>1007632
>How do we stop urban sprawl?

In general: the world's population grow must slow down to replacement level or below.

In developed countries: densify downtowns and inner suburbs. Restrict immigration (natural population growth is already low enough).

>Toll roads. make people pay the true cost of sprawl.
>Better school districts
>Stupid zoning laws that prevent high-rise apartments in many cities
>Wait on the boomers and Gen X to die
>Build affordable housing, not just "luxury" housing in the cities
>Change in culture.

But at least here in DFW, school districts and lack of affordable housing in the cities are the main reasons for sprawl

>>1007632
I live on that peninsula

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>>1007783

Currently in Orange County. OCTA and the County Board need to ignore the NIMBYs and build a goddamn light rail network. Widening freeways is nice, but is only addressing the symptom instead of the cause. At least Santa Ana is building a 4 mile street car.

Also why doesn't LA just connect their rail to LAX like San Francisco does with their airport?

>>1007796
I would like some data on toll roads ending sprawl. I can see how it works but I also think that's not enough of a disincentive compared to school systems, crime rates, and the cultural dream of having a backyard.

This is an ugly answer, but communism.

>receive a big lump sum of property taxes from new sprawl
>commit to providing muni services in perpetuity

sprawl is a pyramid scheme

You can't stop the urban sprawl ind areas where urban population rises and I honestly think that american example of urban sprawl isn't necesarily as bad as some try to make it. It could be much worse than it is now.
Anyway what I think is pretty bad in the case of American cities are rundown areas in downtown or near downtown which are empty and not attractive enough for people to live in there. People rather live far away and commute by car than live right inside the city. Glasses up for the honorary exceptions like NYC.
Solution is already known - the gentrification. Although I don't like to use this term because it sounds like something yuppie, hipster, whatever, but not suitable for "normal" middle class families which should be the major inhabitants of any part of the city.
How to gentrify effectively? Lots of books have been written, but I think that American cities are still trying to find the way. You can see many examples and if I focus only on some, like new streetcar systems, I can already see many faults. I think that none of the recent new streetcar systems have been build effectively, it always looks like a waste of taxpayers money. On the other hand I think that American cities are pretty good at building light rail systems. I would recommend them to focus more on the light rail, make the system denser, add more lines so you can get basically anywhere by the LR and screw this what you call "streetcar" aka small, slow, useless downtown rail loop

>>1007901
>You can't stop the urban sprawl ind areas where urban population rises
Of course you can. You can let the high density city expand, rather than having low density McMansion sprawl at its edges.

>>1007865
communism can't stop the city from growing and sprawling, communism can only make it more controlled as everything belongs to the state
if you look at the soviet union and the eastern bloc countries then it was the communism era that enlarged the cities the most
just see todays China and their urbanization growth, people move en masse from small farming villages to new industrial and post-industrial massive cities

>>1007903
> You can let the high density city expand

Sure this is what we would like to have but that can happen only thanks to

a) Location of the city and natural boundaries
or
b) Really tough regulations - people and companies would rather move to more free places

Stop making new humans.
Stop letting brown humans from other parts of the world onto your land.
Abolish your government set on enforcing dysfunctional financial policies that depend on constant population growth (like the pension system).

>>1007907
No, sprawl can only happen due to externalities and other false economy. Confronting people with the true cost of their choices isn't "less freedom". I also reject your notion that people and companies would rather move. Very few do. In fact, it is the high density cities that are in high demand, and where the trade is conducted. The suburban sprawl is dead weight, heavily subsidied by politicical policies. That's the real regulation.

>>1007632
Genoside

>>1007865
Real communism doesn't rely on state planning (that would be the intermediate socialist stage). It would do jack shit against sprawl.

>>1007632
Actually the only nation that seems to be winning against urban sprawl is Japan. They're doing this by not having sex anymore so the population is decreasing as it ages. Perhaps the same thing is happening on a smaller scale in the US with all you hairy palm guys living in your mothers' basements.

genocide.

I see it in my own family. People have retarded babies and don't bother to teach them anything. All these people need their own phone, their own car, their own house, their own job, their own food, their own education...its wasteful. And whats worse, is that these idiots have more than one child, when they themselves aren't even complete humans yet, still consuming...I hate this backwards "modern" lifestyle. A lot of the times, I get ISIS's angle. "They hate us cuz our freedum!" No, they hate you because you suck as a community.

Make sprawlers pay for their shit, instead of leeching off of cities. Toll roads to enter cities. No free parking.

Give people financial incentives to live elsewhere.

>>1007922
> In fact, it is the high density cities that are in high demand, and where the trade is conducted.

Yes, the cities where the densification of the city actually works can at the end of the day be more pleasant to citizens and companies and are highly demanded as I stated in my post here >>1007901 and I agree that this is the way to stop sprawl. However the dense cities we can see in the USA mostly happen due to historical and natural limits they have (NYC, SF) and their economical success come from these facts. I don't think I know any US city which would succesfully turn from sprawling city into dense smaller city without any massive economical fail.

>>1008009
>I don't think I know any US city which would succesfully turn from sprawling city into dense smaller city without any city planning.

>>1007922
>sprawl can only happen due to externalities and other false economy.
This. Parking requirements and billions spent on freeways by the government add a lot. If developers had to pay for the roads and highways for their suburban projects, they'd probably build denser and closer.

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Like this, I know it looks like shit from up here, but at the street level, it looks much better. Vancouver copies this model very successfully.

urbankchoze.blogspot.ca/2015/08/point-of-view-matters-scourge-of.html

Also stop subisidizing roads!

>>1007855
I don't see any hope for Orange County. It's too decentralized and has no real core area. Plus the rich coastal whites would never vote for it.

>>1008142
>Orange County
Build a core, on top of a low income neighborhood. Using emmenant domain.

>>1008242
>on top of a low income neighborhood
Because if you're poor you're expendable.

>>1008137
Vancouver is bordered by mountains, and land further up the valley is locked in the agricultural land reserve. It doesn't have a choice.

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>>1007649
>skyscrapers
Don't even need that. Paris-tier widespread mid rise is sufficient to produce surprisingly high density.

>>1008276
aaaaand you say that while posting a picture of a surprisingly non-dense area of Paris, where all the space is taken up my empty holiday apartments owned by russian oligarchs and american movie stars...

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>>1007632
By doing pic related

Orange county fag here.
How do we fix the 5 freeway?
Can we put light rail inna middle of it and have bus/tram lines that run down every major street like Main, Tustin, and Newport?

>>1008944
Tear it out completely

Dig a river in its place

>>1007632
The general mindset of our civilization needs to change to one that seeks knowledge and necessity instead of the temporarily profitable(for a small percentage) trend of triviality, laziness and an acceptance of ignorance or at least some balance. I think most people rarely think outside their immediate desires and our current ways encourage and play off this.
Historically speaking, we'll only learn our lesson the hard way, if at all.

>>1007953
Careful with that edge.
While I agree with many of your likely bait points, isis is not a good example of them. They breed(rape) like crazy, and want to recreate the things you hate already(unnecessary mouths) but under a shittier, more unstable dictatorship. I'm not completely against regulated breeding/eugenics however.
As humanity reaches it's current limitations we'll have to accept some compromises.
Finite resources+infinite breeding=death

>>1008276
The concept is good, but needs an average of 10 floors in this day and age.

For america I think the solution would be to build on top of highways in urban areas. This also reduces the noise from them.

>>1009170
M'Fedora

Seriously did you read what you wrote at all?

>>1008050
Don't forget about height maximums written into our zoning, which is the #1 contributor to sprawl in the USA. When it's illegal to build upwards, the only way to grow is outwards.

Resourse-Based Economy should do the trick.

Or we could start jumping over the walls of all gated communities and start murdering of all banksters, politicians, CEO's, and media stations.

>>1010558
im up for a good old proletarian revolution

can we make bicycles the official vehicle of the revolt?

>>1010388
> but needs an average of 10 floors in this day and age.
That's been proven wrong by pretty much every study of the subject ever done.

>>1007832
God damn rich fucker

>>1007632
By not letting muslims kill you and rape your women

>>1009170
Yeah even before I read the other guys fedora comment I was about to write a comment about only reading like 1 and a half sentences of that bullshit

>>1010563
Bunch of GMOBs revolting. We'll just feed you meth.

>>1010558
Oh hi eight years ago, it's been a while since I've read this kind of crank

>>1010698
So you don't believe that bankers are exploting an artificial numbers game?
Or that politicians are blatantly lying to the population and put on a completley false personality to achieve positions of power?
Or that CEO's main interest isn't profit and are honestly trying to create good products to help humanity, rather than shit all over the world with advertisements?
And do you honestly think the media is pushing quality information, concerned with keeping people smart and informed? They arent echo-chambering their opponents or outright copy pasting content from the internet onto the television? Science and history, no. Make the country great again, yes.

You don't think the morals in modern society are skewed at all by any of this?

gg troll.

you might find this an interesting read

http://urbankchoze.blogspot.de/2014/04/euclidian-zoning.html

http://urbankchoze.blogspot.de/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html

>>1007632
Go back in time and establish green belts

>>1007632
Urban growth boundaries, can't believe it hasn't been mentioned already. Portland and other cities in Oregon have these. They keep the sprawl contained but one negative effect is that housing becomes more expensive as the supply can't meet the demand.

The boundaries can work, with allowances for expansion if the land within the growth boundary is acceptably built out and infilled. Also no San Francisco bullshit where they don't allow people to build bigger and taller houses to house more people.

>>1007783
It's great because the mountains plus the ocean keep the cesspool pf LA contained and allows it to densify.

Here in Orlando the situation sucks since there are no natural barriers and developers keep pushing to build past the econ river and into the Wekiva Springs state park.

Oh yes lads

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/images/Housing_Development_Toolkit%20f.2.pdf

This kills the suburbanite

>>1007783
The mountains didn't stop it. they only delayed it. Palmdale and Victorville are becoming the new suburbs.

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KILL ALL HUMANS

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Why do people want to live in suburbs? Why didn't they want to be treated like playthings and stacked up like crates of tampons in dystopic 70s tower blocks?

The general attitude of bureaucrats seems to be "baww you're bad for liking that, stop liking what I don't like" as opposed to figuring out what it is that people like about suburbia and figuring out how to provide that in a holistic economical manner.

>>1013231
>>1013231
what part of orlando? oviedo myself.

>>1014806

traditionally, suburbs have been popular because they are white, perceived as safe (read: white) schools are good (read: white), and taxes are low (suburbs not paying their fare share for the services that the central city provides). not to mention that single family suburban communities in the US were highly subsidized in the postwar period, through policies like FHA and highway construction.

recently that trend has been reversing in many places, with more moneyed professionals returning to cities, leading to the suburbanization of poverty.

>>1015206
Traditionally in the USA, but sprawl has been occurring througout the world.

>>1008276
Singapore is, to my surprise, less dense than Paris

>>1007855
LAX is building a light rail station right outside the airport, they will then connect it with another rail line that goes to the airport and stops at each terminal

Unless they are going through with their people mover idea

>>1015678

If they built a rail from Union to LAX, that would be a god send. I've tried the LAX flyaway bus out of Union, which works great if traffic is low. Otherwise it takes 90+ minutes. It's still better than driving yourself and paying for parking.

I moved 2 blocks away from a Gold line station, I want to use that shit as much as possible.

>>1007632
by killing all HR people so city planners can get hired based on merit, rather than their ability to pay lip service

>>1007659
The nose knows this one. Telling White men they are the ones with problems and behind the times because they don't want their kids bringing home evolutionary dead ends is a sure way of making it onto the list of nations (((they))) have been kicked out of. This time it should be for good.

>>1015886
have yet to use gold line, but its quite shit since not all lines meet up in union station and it makes transfering a hassle

rail would be fantastic but they wont build it

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by designing better urban expansion based on a tiered system


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>>1014806
Its Stockholm syndrome. Nobody actually likes suburbs

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Mixed use developments

fast and cheap mass transit

public green space

housing has to be both large and quiet for the price.

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/18/378162264/welcome-to-whittier-alaska-a-community-under-one-roof

>>1014806
land is the only thing they aren't making more of. owning land is a safe way of building generational wealth.

unattached single family homes provide some privacy. No one likes hearing a neighbor through a wall. mostly because they are afraid of that neighbor hearing them.

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I actually have a pdf for something like that which can be built right now

http://www.electri.org/sites/default/files/china_sky_city.pdf

Same guys who did this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veNf-bz99cI [Embed]

I love the concept, mixed use, vertical "streets", and does not cater to the luxury elite, but rather the middle class.

I bet those "limit the height!" fags hate it

>>1007649
they just recently removed the law where skyscrapers in Los Angeles have to be built with a helipad on the top

so now architects have a free pass to design what ever they want

>>1016071
>owning land is a safe way of building generational wealth
Except that landowners often come off worst in revolutions. Revolutions don't happen very often (less than once a century per country), but when they do they really kick over the anthill.

>>1016185

Wouldn't it be really easy to trap the people inside? I don't know what the psychological effects of being inside a building the whole are but I would feel claustrophobic if everything I needed was in one building. Then again it would be very convenient.

>>1016204

I don't think it would be that difficult, just let interior designers go ham with different styles and create multi-floor open air "blocks" that would create distinct areas (or "districts", even), at least for the residential areas.

I don't think it should contain everything you would possibly need (like middle and high-school, wtf) , but mostly higher-end shopping and restaurants. If I lived in it, I could imagine myself going outside of the building on a semi-regular basis. Hopefully the elevators will be able to keep up during morning and evening rush hours :D

I would be more worried about how it looks from street level and how it meshes with the land and infrastructure immediately around it.

I think it would be cool to live in sky city, at least for a couple years or so.

>>1007649

I wish. I fucking love skyscrapers, but we can't have them because asslicking tardfucked NIMBY buttwipes who hate everything good and prefer their hellish semi-burb sprawl of 2 story single family houses.

>>1007650

Once again literally the fault of niggers. If only we named the elephant rather than fucking our nation's infrastructure to pretend we believe in the "equality" god.

>>1008944

First you build a wall around the occupied parts of california. Then you sink them into the ocean. The woods are primo though, nice woods. but every last commiefornian needs to be murdered off before they spread even further.

Take your transplants back, you cock sucking homosexual fruitnuts, and stop shitting up my glorious state.

>>1014806
>what it is that people like about suburbia

Literally just cheaper rent/buy and no niggers. Suburbia reeks ass in every other conceivable way.

>kill niggers
>kill section ape
>kill nimby fucks
>build apartment complexes in cities
>???
>demolish suburbia and move on with life

>>1015898

I like you. You can live.

>>1015900

THE HOLOCAUST DIDN'T HAPPEN
BUT IT SHOULD HAVE
DOTR, GTK

>>1016185

>220 floors

I just came. Fund it.

>>1016071
>No one likes hearing a neighbor through a wall. mostly because they are afraid of that neighbor hearing them.

This is primarily my motivation for wanting to own a detached house. I've had nothing but bad experiences with noise in apartment buildings.

>>1014806
3 real advantages.
Public schools are better (because tied to income, so you don't have to play the inner city fight for charter/move to elite school.
2: Childhood is much easier because there are no 2-3 bedroom appartments for cheap that aren't in strange places (Staten Island being the ODD part of NYC that is suburban yet part of the no shit NYC metroplex), in most well city city. Get family friendly 2-3 bedroom apartments and you can raise your 2.5 kids in a city.

Also, lower taxes (my dad literally saved 1.2K a month by heading out to NJ. That should not be.

>>1007632
Chinese cities are trying to do so by refusing residential permit to outsiders but doesn't really work

>>1015655
Paris itself it's much smaller than the whole island of Singapure. You should compare the whole Ilde-de-France and the entirity of the singapurean state.

>>1017112
It's already funded and the company started building foundations, but the chinese government is blocking it for some reason

>>1017131
Are your houses made of cardboard or something? I live in an apartment and the walls are solid stone. I can barely hear neighbours moving furniture.

>>1014806
I wouldn't want to live in a suburb. I find the idea of those huge extensions of single houses with their pathetic little back yard extremely depressing. The idea of being in a low-density residential zone with any kind of leisure facility, commerce or other pole of activity so far away as not to be able to walk there, nor any kind of reasonable public transit and in general depending on your car for EVERYTHING doesn't just depress me, it even scares me. I wouldn't want to be that dependent on any one kind of machine. It would make me feel trapped in the middle of nowhere, in a dead neighbourhood, no people on the street, no cafés to go and have a drink or bite to eat, no old people playing lawn bowling at the little park across the street. And I don't even live in a good neighbourhood, this is a crappy lower middle class area. I can't fathom why anyone would want to live in a suburb, other than because your city is so fucked up that it's been rendered uninhabitable.

Mind you, I'm not saying there aren't people here that don't like burbs. We don't have burger-style suburbs, but instead small villages that have been turned into "dormitory towns", essentially the same but usually huddled around a couple of streets forming an "old town", since they are after all villages that existed before they were turned into suburbs. Many people prefer to live in those places. I don't mind, whatever floats their boat... I just think it's really sad...

>>1017647
Same here, 1971-built apartment and I literally cannot hear neighbours ever.

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>>1017652
My apartment building was built in 1919, which is really cool. Solid masonry, and beautiful vaulted ceilings similar to pic related.

>>1017722
Masonry is excellent at blocking noise.

Is that one of those Manhattan brownstone apartments?

It looks pretty aesthetic either way.

>>1016185
But wouldn't the cost to build these building make each of its available area prohibitively expensive?

>>1017722
This makes me feel queasy. You should put wood slats on one of your walls

>>1017726
Probably. There's absolutely zero attempt at putting a price on the thing in that pdf, so it's basically just a fantasy.

>>1017722
>>1017722
how do bricks even stack on a flat ceiling?

>>1007657

Zika? Not even as big as West Nile, SARS, or that new-style what-they-were-calling-Ebola.

The new hot disease is just the flip side to the new miracle fruit. Not going to make a difference on the macro scale.

>>1007632

Stop having kids.

>>1016185
Fuck off Corbusier

We did this 70 years ago and it was a massive failure

>>1016185
>PRC China
Nope.

>>1008137
>at the street level
Or you can't see shit on the streets barring shopping malls and their entrances.
Fortunately Quarry Bay in pic here and many places isn't the case.

>>1014758

It's funny, because if the California High Speed Rail/ Desert Express are built, Palmdale might become the city in the US best connected to a modern rail system.

>>1016185
They tried this already and it failed massively.

>>1008276

Living residences in Paris are also extremely small. To obtain American square footage standards and keep the density high you're forced to go pretty tall.

What you note is pretty interesting, as it's possible to achieve relatively high densities (~20K/sq mile) simply with an abundance of low rise apartments at 4 or 5 floors.

>>1018221
> it's possible to achieve relatively high densities (~20K/sq mile) simply with an abundance of low rise apartments at 4 or 5 floors.
That's pretty much San Francisco.

>>1007632

Cities are associated, and rightfully so, with high crime, poverty, dilapidated housing, low living standards, etc. Until there is some societal revolution where we can gentrify enough cities to the extent where the nation has a positive mindset regarding urban living, the demand to live in the suburbs will exceed the city.

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>>1018224
>Cities in burgerland are associated
ftfy

>>1018221
Another thing that would help with urban sprawl is if people got used to smaller living areas.

I live with my SO in quite a small room (which is part of a larger house that includes a kitchen, bathrooms, etc.) and it's very cozy. American families who live in big suburban houses -- I don't really understand them, their houses just feel so desolate and empty, I used to live in such a house growing up and it was just sort of depressing.

But I guess people are obsessed with having more "stuff".

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>>1008276
>you will never shut down all private automobile traffic on those streets and have the whole thing a comfy boulevard solely for pedestrians/bikers and a tram line

>>1018727
From Hong Kong I wouod say small living area also create lots of mental problems. Well then again small living area in HK are really small like my school have a scheme for those who live in small flat to have a higher chance to get into student residence, but the line is less than 100 square feet per person living space with the highest chance to succeed being less than 40 per person. That's roughly equal to 11 square meter for a family of 3.

>>1018759
Yeah, HK is sort of ridiculous. Isn't it the landowners / politicians' fault -- there's plenty of undeveloped land in HK, right? So of course taken to an extreme, small living spaces are bad. But certainly some compromise could be made between American suburban sprawl and inhumanely claustrophobic apartments.

>>1018762
Policies are a factor but a lot of lands people claims to be usable for hoise building are actually too hilly/for industrial need (which if you change them into residential area the industry would have nowhere to develop and you lost the point of a city)/belong to aboriginal according to agreements reached when British people begin colonize HK. So while it's certain that a change in policy can provide more land for residence and thus lower the land price / increase residential area for every home, those lands that can be released aren't gamechanger. I'd say if the government can make those aboriginals give up their inherited rights then it'd be the single largest source of land that can be release, but it's easier said than done [The agreement back then was that every male prosperity of aboriginal can get the land required to build a house for themselves and government have zoned sizable amount of land for that use]

>>1008944
>fix the 5
kick out half the people living in OC
adapt the strictest driving license standards in world

>>1017914
>>1017859
Le Corbusier failed because he didn't give a shit about the city around his residences, he isolated them. This made them become gentrified in a rather dangerous manner.

Sky City, on the other hand is mixed-use, so we won't see that disconnect and residents should keep each other in check.

However, I'm not sure how the economies of scale works here, it actually get's cheaper (material costs at least) when you build taller, maybe the light steel construction makes taller building less expensive. http://www.overcomingbias.com/2013/11/why-arent-cities-taller.html

>>1018221
Well, there are certainly places in the America that achieve the same densities with low or mid rise buildings. In the end, though, it's all a function of price: living spaces are small because to make them larger would be so expensive that nobody would rent them. Building tall is also expensive, both to build and to maintain, so that puts a floor on the price as well. Cheap high-rise apartments are always going to be shoeboxes.

>>1017110
>Literally just cheaper rent/buy and no niggers. Suburbia reeks ass in every other conceivable way.

Bigger houses. Bigger yard. More privacy and trees if you don't choose a shitty suburb.

Ideally, most people would want a big house with a big yard in the middle of a city within walking distance to everything, but that is too expensive due to higher land values so people compromise between central location and home size.

Personally I don't need a huge house, but I don't want to live in a 500 SF apartment.

>>1019757
Remember when governments made big, cheap apartments? Why can't we do that in the city?

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>>1007632
Hey, I can see my house from there.

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>>1019769
>Why can't we do that in the city?

Oh, but we can!

>>1019757
>bigger houses
To fill with mindless consumerist trash?
>bigger yard
Just to end up watching reality tv all day?

>>1019780
its like im really in scotland

>>1017650
>It would make me feel trapped in the middle of nowhere, in a dead neighbourhood,

Instead, the businesses within walking distance of your apartment have you trapped. You shop within walking distance of your home and competition from the store 5 miles away is non existent. So they rape you on price and quality.

>>1017091
>but we can't have them because

Because I don't want to live in one? Why is that stopping you? Why are you getting butt-hurt over my choosing to live in a single family house out in the suburbs? I can't even see the city high rises from my place, so no NIMBYism here.

>>1019780
>in the city
Okay okay, in the city CORE

>>1019784
>higher demand somehow creates lower competition
This post is false.

>>1019786
He's talking about the single-family neighborhoods and close-in suburbs that refuse to densify in the face of growth and much higher prices. Skyscrapers aren't really the answer to that, though.

>>1019769
because it makes ghettos

>>1018981
Corbusier didn't fail, instead, people failed him.

>>1019872
Depends on the height of the skyscraper. With more modern materials it could get even cheaper to go higher.

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/09/big-advances-in-superstrong-glued-wood.html
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2013/11/why-arent-cities-taller.html

>>1019844
Singapore?

>>1020279
Can it withstand M9 earthquake, Cat 5 hurricane, EF5 Tornado and prolonged flooding?

>>1019757
>big yard

Suburbanite here

Yards are literally useless tbqh. They also cause a lot of noise with lawn mowing faggots

>>1020809
This. And half these people with huge yards end up watching tv and having their kids play vidya all day anyway

>>1016070
That Oakland tower looks like a dick with the skin ripped off.

>>1020623
I don't know, but if stick frame construction can survive that, I'm expecting laminate lumber to do too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X-js9gXSME

>>1021039
wrong vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwjkG3nv1c

Kill capitalism and u will destroy urban sprawl

>>1007865
Damn right and its not an ugly answer, we must love communism.

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>>1007904
More ruralism and less urbanism

>>1010558
Love ur answer. Let murder all the bastards

>>1008305
what is wrong with rich people from all over the world coming to spend money in your city

>>1021093
ruralism is shit

go back to your sustenance farm, luddite

>>1007650
>>1007670
>>1007791
>>1007934
>>1008242
>>1010754
>>1015900
>>1017091
>>1017110
sure is fucking /pol in here.

The truth is, there is no fast and easy way to deal with urban sprawl, but the answers lie in a mix of the ideas offered in the thread. Fixing urban sprawl will require an effort on all levels of government, from the Federal all the way down to Municipal. Forcing real estate speculators to relinquish properties to the the government in order for housing to be filled, along with a diversification of residents in both the city and suburbs, along with a gradual cultural shift towards slightly reduced living spaces, with an industrial and economic shift towards less things having planned obsolescence.

>>1021040
How many floor high is the video

>>1021308
six, not 90+

But it's quite a step.

Laminated lumber is comparable to steel in strength and usability.

>>1021090
kill zoning and road subsidies and you will destroy urban sprawl*

fixed that for you, socialist cuck

>>1021317
And steel is not enough in 90+

>>1021319
What are you talking about? The willis tower is over 100 storeys tall and is made with steel frame.

>>1021321
Steel, or steel frame filled with concrete.

Stop fucking.

Well. You can keep fucking, but PULL OUT!!!

Stop creating MORE in-the-way, never-going-to-amount-to-anything people.

Each person on earth is expected to have their own house, own car, own phone, own family, own food, own space. A single human takes up far more space and resources than you think, and most of these people will never give back to their community.

>>1021330
>PULL OUT
that's how you get "oopsies"

Either use condoms or get a vasectomy.

>>1010624
I'm barely middle class. I live in San Pedro, not PV.

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http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20160818-00010001-nikkeisty-bus_all
>Nagaoka City's attempt to create compact city

>>1013231

>state has 1000 miles of untouched coastal beaches
>disney builds in the fetid, breezeless interior
>normies eat it up