Why are guitars so impractical instruments?

t. frustrated after 10 minutes of practice

>>75184050
You have to be autistic to be good at pinpointing this shit every time.

>why am I so shit at guitar

Play more.

>>75184020
I know right? I prefer beats because Jamal steals music and hip-hop is tolerant, progressive music!!!

they're not
literally just git gud and you get access to an instrument that is capable of very diverse expression

>>75184239
Shlomo steals music and sells it to Jamal, stupid.

Some autiste decided to tune them in fourths for whatever reason.

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>>75184281
I was going to refute this point, but, good point. More practical chord shapes maybe?

>>75184266
Do you have an idea how old this design is? You have to pervert the fucking thing before you can even imagine playing it longer then 30minutes.

>>75184300
Does Fripp play his new tuning standard system all the time, or does he ever go back to old standard?

>>75184310
>You have to pervert the fucking thing before you can even imagine playing it longer then 30minutes.
No, I play and practice my guitar for hours at a time and it's always a lot of fun. Maybe YOU can't even imagine playing it longer than 30 minutes, because you suck ass.

>>75184300
Reminder that even Fripp thinks that guitar is a shitty instrument.

>>75184336
I'm pretty sure he's convinced cello-based tuning is superior and never went back.

>>75184300
Probably, although it doesn't seem to bother violin and mandolin family players, and it gives you a lot more range with less movement.

>>75184390
You can hit single-string melodic octaves in a single hand position on violin though.

>>75184361
Not really.

>>75184381
I don't think you're complaining and I'm not either.

>>75184336
If you think playing guitar is more than smelling your own farts and enjoying it youre missing a large point.

>>75184414
>I've never really listened to guitarists, because they've never really interested me. In fact, I think the guitar is a pretty feeble instrument. Virtually nothing interests me about the guitar.

>>75184438
If you actually think a man who has built an entire career on his guitar playing, not to mention an entire new way to play it that he taught to thousands of people over many years in his guitar courses, not to mention building an entire way of life surrounding the instrument, thinks guitars are shit, you're a retard.

Fripp doesn't like rock guitar playing because he thinks it has no intellectualism in it. To paraphrase, he thinks rock guitar playing comes from the "hip", without any intelligent thought. That's the context in which he said what he said about it being a feeble instrument, in the 70's, the peak of wanky guitarists.

>>75184406
I don't play violin, but on a 6 string guitar, fifths tuning would give you another octave of range considering it's giving you 2 more semitones per string.

>>75184510
>"I saw Cream once, and it was really quite awful"

That's my favorite one

>>75184580
What?

>>75184510
Atleast I dont have to bow down to someone elses invention to get good playing my own shit on it.

>>75184603
Did you invent a new instrument or something?

>>75184618
Somebody has to do something to this atrocity or else rock and metal is dead.

>>75184603
We're only talking about him because he utilized fifth-based tuning in a relatively successful manner. Chill.

>>75184635
So you didn't invent a new instrument? So you're also a cuck who plays someone else's musical invention?

>>75184635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCwMW48FO4

>>75184020
i like violins more but those are even more impractical since you need to practice even more than a guitar, actually just stuck to guitars these are easy mode.

>>75184656
I bet you want someone to play your guitar too. ;)

>>75184701
I performed in front of thousands of people several times. I'm not even a particularly good guitar player, I just had the opportunity and both I and the audience enjoyed it.
Your anti-guitar crusade is really something to behold but I've seen dumber shit on /mu/ already.

>>75184661
Ron Sword is an idiot, and I'm not even talking about his microtonal stuff (although his instruments are badly made).

>>75184020
her pickups are set too high

>>75184020
They're actually much more practical than a lot of other instruments. I write some stuff on keys and really just prefer to play it on guitar.

>>75184729
I just think it needs to evolve to stay alive. Making a custom freak guitar would compensate my own shortcomings.

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>>75184840
what do it do?

>>75184635
Then learn how to play guitar differently.

I know how to make a guitar sound like no other instrument, doesn't mean that salivating music critics are going to masturbate to my records and call me a "savior of rock music," because when critics say things like that it's purely out of their own sense of vanity.

Even if you play guitar in a completely experimental way it's not going to "save" rock. Rock is dead in a commercial sense because the music industry consciously chose to let it die.

>>75184903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aulbMkOLqKg

>>75184381
>>75184336
either of you ever tried playing in NST? how easy is it to make the jump? I'm fairly competent at playing different scales, modes and chord voicings in standard, but the most experience I've had with alternate tunings doesn't go much further than DADGAD or more traditional/folk tunings.

>>75185505
I never tried it, i'm a bit spooked honestly. I also think you need special strings if you want them to be able to withstand the higher tension without breaking every time you do a whole-tone bend.

I'm not huge on the idea anyway though, because while it sounds rad to be introduced to a new system that won't let me settle on cliches, I know that it's not what is going to make my guitar playing magically unique and adventurous. Fripp's best recorded music he did with traditional standard tuning after all.

>>75185505
I dabble with violin, so I have a little experience in fifths-based tuning. Having four note per string patters in a single position is a nice advantage. I'm still working out how to pull off double stops and fretless instruments pose its own challenges.

I imagine that major scale in first position on guitar is a pain in the ass, but I really don't feel like getting a whole new setup for NST or something similar. Drop D is perfectly sufficient for getting some nice open fifth voicings in my experience..

>>75185539
Yeah, the specialist strings/nut modifications seem like the biggest barriers for me to commit imo. apparently the heavy C string can grind away at the nut, meaning once you switch to NST on a particular instrument its like that for life (or at least until you buy a new nut).

>I know that it's not what is going to make my guitar playing magically unique and adventurous
very true, I guess there's nothing as good as hours of practise to advance your technique!

>>75185639
I know plenty of people in the metal world who play in Drop C and lower, even. I've not heard of this problem.

>>75184020
Because you probably haven't tried playing any other instruments.

This shit hurts, keyboards never left me sore and cramped, still I keep going. Am I just guitarded?

>>75186631
Don't have your left thumb hanging over the fretboard like Jimi Hendrix, that's wrong. Get low with it.

>>75186631
Couple of months with proper technique practice and all the pains go away. It's worth it.

>>75186675
>>75186696
Thanks, I have thin wrists. I envy those guys with beefy hands who can just grip the thing like a vice. I'm just buzzing all over the place.

>>75186793
Dudes with beefy hands don't have dank slim finger accuracy
look at steve howe his hands are skeleton-tier
(steve howe also has huge fingers so don't feel bad if you can't play his shit as good as he does, he's literally cheating by having fingers twice as long as your average guitarist)

>>75184020
Because you don't practice

>>75186631
You're just exercising a muscle. If you do it enough it stops hurting like any kind of exercise.

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>>75184020
are you a homosexual guitar player?