Why does white 50s music suck so fucking bad?

It doesn't
Stop listening to Pat Boone

>>75152549
>When OP posts a pic that disproves his point

>>75152570
Wrong

>>75152562
Strawman

God, you're arguements fucking suck

Will none of you retards challenge me? Guess I win

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>>75152599
>you are arguments
okay kid

>>75152549
Buddy Holly wasn't white

Probably because you're brown and have a deep resentment for white people and will then shit on anything and everything in attempt to make yourself feel better for your shortcomings. OR you're white and under 30 in America and therefore have been taught to be self-loathing from the day you were born.

>inb4 muh strawmanggg
It's likely one or the other.

>>75152549
Why do you think it sucked?

>>75152599
>leddit spacing
argument disregarded

>>75152768
or maybe he's just a troll fishing for attention because he gets none in real life

Bill Evans Trio, Dave Brubeck Quartet, Jim Hall

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>>75152760
This. Just another scheme by the whiteys to bring the kangz of music down.

>>75152768
Wrong on both you stupid faggot. I love plenty of white music from literally every decade after the 50s. It's just the 50s where the shittiest, gayest pop music is so prominent.You sound like a fucking retard though, were you cucked by a black man, what's with your stupid fucking argument then? LOL. You sound so weak and frail I could probably fuck your wife in front of you and you wouldn't do shit you old faggot. Am I wrong?

Buddy Holly was – like – proto-Jeff Mangum, though. At least according to Pirate Scruffy.

>>75152806
You sound like you belong there

>>75152768
or maybe it's just not his cup of tea you tinfoil hat wearing faggot motherfucker

go back to your shit home board with your cancerous race war fucking bullshit

better off just fucking kill yourself

>Chuck Berry
>Little Richard
>Fats Domino
>Buddy Holly
>Jerry Lee Lewis
>The Big Bopper
>Richie Valens
>Jan and Dean

I could go on and on.............

50s music ROCKS!

>>75152887
Ain't no genuinely tough and confident man on the face of this earth is arguing as neurotically as you are on 4chan, little boy.

>>75152549
white music has always sucked

>>75152768
either serious or trolling

either way its very cancerous

>>75152940
The Big Bopper was a one-hit wonder with an otherwise-mediocre catalog and Jan & Dean sucked in the 50's, but the rest is solid.

white people just cant make good music accept it
>>75152940
>chuck berry
>little richard
>fats domino
lad did you see what this is about

>>75152783
>>75152783
Vapid, gay doo wop, weak vocals, shitty weak production and sounds of instruments, whatever melody might exist. Weak subject matter and it doesn't make me feel anything, it captures images of retards living in their comfy gay town being retarded. That said I love lots of 60s music that doesn't do this, and the rock, blues, and jazz (including Bill Evans of course, but he's not pop) made by black guys and women from this era is always fantastic to listen to.

>>75152940
Read my FUCKING OP
>white 50s music
Of course Berry, Domino and Richard are good, I wasn't talking about them

>>75152846
Evans isn't pop

>>75153042
Disagree brother

>>75152958
If I'm a little boy, then does that mean I'm arguing with a child? Get bent cunt

Didn't the fucking King himself debut in the 50's? Goddamn you guys are idiots.

>>75153214
>muh king
I always liked Little Richard better

'50s music was "gay" because they weren't posturing nerds.

>>75153196
>Evans isn't pop
Who said anything about pop?

Chuck Berry single-handedly saved popular music

>>75153110
Basically all music subject matter was vapid until the mid-60's. If you care that much about lyrics you had may as well listen to poetry recitations. "Weak production" is subjective; I find that nearly all modern music sounds overproduced to hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQEGoSSya8s

>>75153223
You can like whoever you want better but you still gotta give the man his props. Elvis was fucking awesome and still is to this day.

>>75153234
Did you read the fucking OP? I said WHITE 50s music you dumb tard

because all white """music""" sucks

>>75153110
To be fair production in popular music didn't gain balls until Phil Spector came along

>>75153291
Honestly that debate has been game over since the Renaissance. White music will never be topped.

>>75153271
Preach it brother

>>75153275
There is lots of not-overproduced modern music

>>75153246
Okay I meant to say 50s rock and pop, and tried to exclude jazz, but I forgot, I agree whole heartedly that there are many great 50s jazz guys

>>75153110
Music doesn't need to be 2deep4u, sometimes they can just be about everyday life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibk5BWng1gA

Because white people have no soul.

>>75152549
people didnt know about psychedelics yet

>>75153336
I didn't say music had to be deep, but it's the particular 50s variant of being both safe and weak with no transgression or defiance that makes me not even care. But for example there's lots of white 50s rock that I would love if they gave a shit and tried singing with soul and gusto, like Little Richard, instead of trying to sound respectable for their audience

>>75153371
It's rhythm. White people have no rhythm.

>>75153336
I'll give you that this isn't bad though

>>75153414
You gotta understand the 50's in a historical context. First there was the Great Depression, and then WW2 right after. But the war was won, the American way of life was saved, and it was time to soak it in with convertible cars, mowing lawns, drinking milkshakes and dancing with your gal at the diner to the songs on the jukebox. And that's what the music was all about. They weren't worrying about too much in that decade.

The uptight "good old" Victorian attitude of the pre-war white culture was still there in the 50s.

>>75153414
Man, you're retarded. For the time, guys like Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis WERE singing with "soul" and "gusto". Fuck, they sang with more than Fats Domino or Chuck Berry did. Rock 'n' roll musicians or either race were singing about staying out late and getting in fights, which WAS seen as transgressive and defiant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTg6rZJCu4

>>75153535
Elvis/Jerry, I dunno bro, I just don't see to much in them, they're alright though
>more than Fats Domino or Chuck Berry
yeah fuck off retard
>that Link Wray
Pretty good, no singing though

>>75153528
I guess

>>75153570
I love Fats Domino but he was the most uncharismatic vocalist ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o74j7t1tKs

>>75153110
Ahhhhhhhh so you just like Motown.... there was a major difference in music between 50's and 60's. Even then 50's doowop was made by a lot of blacks. I guess you're just a liberal who just wants to associate anything having to do with white people as bad. Take your racist opinions to /pol/.

>>75152549
You must have never listened to Johnny Cash.

Something tells me OP isn't a fan of country music. Almost every white rock 'n' roll musician of the 50's started out singing country.

>>75153690
Clearly not. Most vocalized music came from hymns sung in church and became popularized over the radio. The Carter Family are exceptional in terms of classic country from the 30's and 40's.

>>75153736
It also played a big role in the development of rock 'n' roll. Perhaps not as major as R&B, but there's no denying a connection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lza3NVH6Ig

>>75152549
Not an argument

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>>75152549
Because all the good 50's bands were fronted by African Americans.

>>75153772
this song fucking rocks tbqh

what real mofos listened to was Burl Ives and stuff like that

why are brown people so bitter lmfao
like, who pissed in ur cornflakes

i didnt

>>75153952
inferiority complex, and the only way they can get over it is to try to feel superior by putting others down.

>>75153736
Half of country music is as you described. And most of the rock si gers that started with country were singing songs like that. Either that or the black gospel types maybe.

>>75152549
https://youtu.be/vKNZqM0d-xo

>>75153110
>gay doo wop

what the fuck

>>75152549
Because they hadn't come to the point where they could openly steal from the black music scene without becoming ostraziced from the mainstream music scene. Except in jazz, of course, where it was more a matter of white musicians risking to be ostraziced from the black jazz scene for being white.

>>75155565
Calling 50's jazz "white music" is kind of a stretch no matter how you put it.

kino rock n roll is
>Buddy Holly
>Chuck Berry
>Eddie Cochran
>Elvis up to 50,000,000 fans
>Ricky Nelson
>Duane Eddy

>>75153528
Well put.

They needed some shit to be fucked up(Vietnam war) to make them passionate about something before they could make anything good.

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"I rather liked the music of the '50s and think it's better than a lot of what's out now (1979). To me, one really good, heartfelt song about a guy breaking up with his girlfriend is worth more to me than twenty albums of English rock put together."

>>75153570
>he doesn't rate the Killer
https://youtube.com/watch?v=66iOLET0U24

>>75152846
Dave Brubeck Quartet was just the Dave Matthews Band of the 50s-60s, that is to say safe, bland white people jazz for college fratboys.

>>75152549
OP, you made one fatal slip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999RqGZatPs

>>75156862
You know that Gunfighter Ballads is a meme album, right?

>>75156857
How ignorant can you be? Have you ever even heard Strange Meadow Lark???

>>75152549
Are you FUCKING INSANE?

>>75156873
shit slaps, f4m

>>75156889
Refute me then, show me ONE white 50s singer with as much power soul as Little Richard
Pro-tip: you cant
>inb4 Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis

>>75153110
The best rock n roll, rockabilly is raw, primitive, primal, immediate, - its literally the peak of pop music. The beatles are already decadent. Euripides compared to aeschylus

bill evans says no to op.

I'm not sure what the OP is trying to argue, but he sounds like he's underage.

does this count?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S13mP_pfEc

>>75156937
read the thread

>Who is Santo & Johnny

>>75156955
That came out in 1961, so no it is not a 50s song.

>>75156924
a) vocal power isnt the be all and end all of music
b) your point was not that white 50s music lacked Berry's "vocal power" but that it "sucked fucking bad"
c) Elvis
d) Hank Williams
e) Buddy Holly

>>75156857
Not at all, what are you on about?

Boo Op. Post based white 50s stuff

https://youtu.be/WE5pM1HXxlI

>>75156857
That would be Herb Alpert. He made the safest most bland jazz ever.

https://youtu.be/EznyLgGV3Nw

>>75156998
Your post is bad and you should feel bad

>>75156924
>power soul

why skew the argument

https://youtu.be/_ycUXP6U5eE

>>75157138
Shit counter. Unimpressed.

>>75156796
You know he was a huge nostalgiafag.

Buddy Holly is good. You just hate rockabilly music because some other subculture you identify with deemed it not cool.

>>75157149
The only non-jazz music from the 50s I like has this quality as the main focus. It's the most important thing

/mu/ doesn't to listen to Country: The thread

This board is depressingly pleb.

>>75152549
YOU ARE ONE FUCKING SORRY ASS PLEB ASS NIGGER

>>75157186
>muh power soul
>muh soul power
>muh negro songs

>>75157164
Let's go over your pathetic argument in a form that won't go over your ant sized head

>implying Elvis, Buddy Holly, and Hank Williams (lol) are as powerful and charismatic as Richard
I expressed mentioned Berry as an example of good 50s rock, not necessarily for his singing, for singing I gave Richard as the example

>>75157170
I hate rockabilly because it's gay

>>75157230
Racist bitch

>>75157234
>>implying Elvis, Buddy Holly, and Hank Williams (lol) are as powerful and charismatic as Richard
But they literally are. And Cash too.

>>75157256
>using the word "negro" is racist

Self hating pc libtard detected

>>75157281
Objectively wrong lol

>>75157234
You see you're confusing loudness for power and nervous energy for charisma, because you're a pleb.

>>75157301
who tf even uses the word negro in this day and age

>>75157301
Dumbass retard and PJW subscriber detected

>>75157319
You're a clueless faggot, get out of my thread lol

>>75157331
People taking the piss out of you, clearly

>>75157312
I would argue that Jerry Lee Lewis had every bit of presence as Richard. Fucker threw down hard.

Technically a Native America blew both races away.

>>75157340
>PJW subscriber
Take that back you filthy cunt

>>75157354
You're right, Lewis is pretty good, haven't heard any songs other than the meme one that I hate, I should check him out though, thanks anon

>>75156980
Dave Brubeck Quartet--Take Five is technically 50s since it came out in 1959 but didn't get any attention/charts until a reissue in 1961.

>>75157368
Sorry

>>75157374
>prefering jerry to hank

>>75157397
Appreciated

>>75157407
Hank didn't play the ever loving shit out of a piano though.

>>75157340
>I can't present an argument so I'll say cunt and retard faggot a lot so nobody notices
Well done OP. Nobody knows you're a trolling moron now.

https://youtu.be/V41gDDWEPso

Nite OP & /mu/

>>75157455
At least I don't have shit taste like you lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXo6993d5_c

Connie Francis is sadly underappreciated today because back when oldies radio started doing 50s stuff (which was during the 70s), the people making the radio playlist were guys Robert Christgau's age who had been 50s teens, so they of course just played all the stuff they liked and which gave them a nostalgia wank. This of course meant a lot of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and Elvis, but no Connie Francis because they sure didn't give a shit about their sister's record collection back in the day.

>>75152825
This

>>75152549
Pop music was for kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LojqhHnmyvc

https://youtu.be/B4sqishGuYw

I like the banjo bit

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>>75157545
Oh god, this awful 80s cover.

>>75156980
Early 60's music was exactly the same as 50's music.

People forget that most of what we think of as 50s music was the second half of the decade, the early 50s was quite different and the charts were still dominated by 40s-style crooner bullshit with string sections.

>>75157671
Not quite. It's much more like the 50s than 65-69 obviously, but still has a distinct quality all its own. Surf rock and Motown girl groups were unique to this period and don't sound like the 50s.

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>>75157256
>I hate rockabilly because it's gay

>>75157712
The vast majority of pop and rock was extremely similar. "Runaway" could have come out in 1959 or so.

>>75157712
>Not quite. It's much more like the 50s than 65-69 obviously, but still has a distinct quality all its own. Surf rock and Motown girl groups were unique to this period and don't sound like the 50
Examples?

>>75157688
Deano is bretty great, bro.

>>75153110
You're right. I don't know how anyone enjoys it, it's corny bullshit.

>>75157688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfqjlfAu0A

For example, this is 1951 but may as well have been 1946.

>>75156796
English rock can't be heartfelt or about relationships, eh? Classic American cultural cringe from the guinea dipshit who would never be Schoenberg when he grew up.

>>75157785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIR81n9I0Y

But this is also from 1951 and sounds 101% like the 50s. Probably because of the guitar.

>>75157688
All of which was much better than anything in the second half, which was when culture SHAT THE BED

>>75157821
He was using "English rock" as a synonym for prog rock with its head up its ass.

>>75157892
>Frank Zappa of all people complaining about self-indulgent progressive rock
...

>>75157892
Kek

>>75152549
What is white music?

>>75157688
Well, duh. I mean, 1960-64 also isn't what we usually think of when we think of the 60s from a music or cultural POV.

>>75157944
Mr Sandman

I fucking love 50's rock 'n' roll for its simplicity, earnesty, energy, and lack of self-awareness. Musicians weren't expected to write their own songs or be profound in any way. Most of them were either high school students or people who never finished high school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLw4OPZVtk

>>75157944
Music made after 1960.

>>75158024
What's the music made before 1960?

>>75157892
But he was the Chuck Jones of progressive rock, so I don't know where the fuck he got off.

Actually, I do. It was the same "any American crud is better than the best European rock because we're somehow closer to being black I guess" logic you see in Christgau or David Thomas's public statements. It's comical.

>>75153110
>living in their comfy gay town being retarded
lost it

I know, why would people today listen to that shit when we have Kendrick?

>ctrl+f
>"Frank Sinatra"
>no results
come on people

Behold, the white Little Richard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4ziQzZlgY

>>75158095
You sound exactly like Seth McFarlane calling Rat Pack shit "real music" with this false dichotomy.

>>75158171
It's Kendrick or bust cracka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgsIdMa8qA

>That instrumental part

John Fahey
La Monte Young
Jean-Jacques Perrey
Johnny Burnette
Joe Clay
Frank Sinatra
Moondog
Andres Segovia
Stan Kenton

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>>75158062
Post [Elektra, 1995]

This well-regarded little item rekindles my primeval suspicion of Europeans who presume to "improve" on rock and roll (or for that matter Betty Hutton, originator of the best song here). I don't miss the Sugarcubes' guitars per se so much as their commitment to the groove, which--sporadic though it would remain, Iceland not being one of your blues hotbeds--might shore up the limited but real intrinsic interest of her eccentric instrumentation, electronic timbres, etc. Then there's her, how shall I say it, self-involved vocal devices. Which brings us to, right, her lyrics, which might hit home harder if she'd grown up speaking the English she'll die singing, but probably wouldn't. Anybody out there remember Dagmar Krause? German, Henry Cow, into artsong and proud of it? Well, take my word for it. She was no great shakes either. But at least she had politics. C+

>>75158213
Fahey was 60's not 50's.

>>75158246
Blind Joe Death was '59
The internet is your friend

>>75158213
I've been meaning to listen to La Monte Young, and I like Fahey, haven't listened to his 50s records though

>>75158023
50s rock and rollers were mostly heartland conservatives who were raised on gospel music and loved this country. Leftist politicking didn't enter rock until the 60s.

>>75158257
Literally no one had heard of that before Tokoma in the 60's reissued it. Having an album that 12 people listen to in '59 does not make you a 50's musician.

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"I've seldom ever heard a British band that I found listenable. In my opinion, the British should just stop trying to play rock and roll altogether."

>>75158338
It's still music released in the 50s, I never claimed that Fahey was a 50s musician, just that his music in the 50s is good white 50s music

>>75158225
Yes, this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. I hope Christgau gets shanked by a black mugger in front of his fucking grandkids.

>>75158213
>look how wrong you are when I deliberately misconstrue your statement!

pfft

>>75157712
>surf rock
Well, the Beach Boys didn't fully mature as a band until 1963 and their 61-62 singles are a bit crude and unpolished. "Surfin' USA" was where they really kicked into high gear.

>>75158358
Same bullshit, but at least you knew Reed was trolling.

On his first solo album, the backing band was Yes. One of his many baffling decisions.

>>75158395
Waahh, why did he insult my waifu Bjork how dare he!

>>75158432
>fully mature

I thought they didn't fully mature until Brian was employing one guy to ghost-write his lyrics and another guy to ghost-write his music?

>>75158432
Surf rock existed before The Beach Boys. Most of it was instrumental, though. 1959 song I just posted in the surf rock thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLQ8Cs2mc7w

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"American groups, particularly those from the California scene, always seemed a bit amateurish to me and lacking the polish or musicianship of the British rock groups."

>>75158454
I'm not a Bjork fan especially, I just think that's a typical example of his bullshit.

>"improve"
No, it's electronic music inspired by developments in black British music of that time, nothing to do with rock. Christgau has never quite accepted that black people exist outside of America.

>Betty Hutton
Europeans aren't allowed to arrange Betty Hutton songs differently than she would have? This is literally "all European art is inferior to the worst American kitsch that I don't even personally give a fuck about". It's insecurity, screaming.

>sproadic... blues hotbeds
So the Sugarcubes are being praised for having a rhythmic section but mocked for not being more derivative of black American models?

>speaking the English she'll die singing
Nobody except Americans is ever allowed to aspire to international status or participation. Bjork should sit under a tree and pretend to be an elf.

He's a pathetic person, really.

>>75158062
I think what they were actually trying to say was that Europeans lacked the connection to the American roots music that rock originated from so instead they adapted it around their own indigenous music traditions.

>>75158561
>amateurish to me and lacking the polish or musicianship

This is a good thing. The best rock 'n' roll is sloppy and inept.

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>>75158580
>Christgau has never quite accepted that black people exist outside of America.

Not true at all btw.

>>75158582
No, they all specifically and explicitly made out that European rock was inferior, especially British. And it's always been the whitest, nerdiest American rock musicians who pulled this shit.

>>75158592
IDK, the British were still clinging to Chuck Berry rock well into the 70s, Americans weren't still doing that anymore.

>>75158626
He went through an African phase when everyone else in rock criticism did, but he was pretty indiscriminate in his admirations.

>>75158645
The British seemed to follow one of two extremes, either very rootsy pub-type rock or self-fellating prog.

Yet amusingly enough, Christgau worships the Beatles, Rolling Stones, and The Who. Ok, the Stones mostly stole black music, but the Beatles and Who didn't have any of that in their sound.

>>75158647
African music enjoyed a fad in the 80s, yes I'm aware of that.

>>75158645
>IDK, the British were still clinging to Chuck Berry rock well into the 70s
You mean like Dave Edmunds?

>>75158683
Good, well now you know why Christgau rated it.

>>75158691
Yes. Another funny thing is that the British refused to acknowledge that fat Vegas lounge Elvis ever existed, they only care about the 50s version of him.

>>75158667
They were already well-entrenched when he started writing.

>>75158691
Glam rock had a very basic structure as well. Guys like T. Rex were really bare-bones for the 70's.

>>75158667
>>75158719
Also, the Beatles and the Who both did have some black/rootsy elements to their sound.

>>75158667
He thinks The Who peaked with TWSO and Pete Townshend was a sellout traitor for going prog after 1968.

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>>75158749
>Pete Townshend was a sellout

Well...

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>>75158645
Yeah, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Judas Priest...they really sound like Chuck Berry.

>>75158432
The song Chug-A-Lug would like to have a word with you.

>>75158781
All derivatives of who and the cream

>>75158781
Those guys didn't but lots of British rockers in the 70s still played mock-50s guitar licks, you even had guys like Elton John doing Jerry Lee Lewis-style piano rock.

>>75158784
Will do, thanks!

>>75158832
shiet, wrong thread

>>75158225
"For a lot of people, heavy metal is today's real rock and roll--the music of the people. It's basic, it's rude, kids love it, parents hate it. But a closer look reveals how stupid and delusory it is. Metal is not basic. It cultivates a pseudo-virtuosity that negates content. The values it promulgates are foolish and often destructive. Eighty percent of the 'people' who like it are male and 98% of them are white."

Same reason white 60's-2010's music sucks.

Because whites are terrible at music and emotion.

>>75158561
This is rich coming from someone who spent the latter half of the 60s trying to make something better than Pet Sounds.

>>75157712
I kind of agree, the late 50s and early 60s were quite different periods, by the time Kennedy was president, most of the familiar faces of 50s music like Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee, and Fats had dropped off the radar. They were replaced by the Shirelles, Roy Orbison, and Del Shannon.

>>75152549
Are you actually retarded motherfucker? John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Edgard Varèse, Iannis Xenakis (debatable whether Greeks are white), Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, Marty Robbins, Jacques Brel, Pete Seeger, Moondog, John Fahey, Édith Piaf, Logan English, Carl Perkins, the list goes on...

More variety than anyone else had at the time and they were inventing and revolutionizing all sorts of music

>>75157728
I always found Runaway a rather awful-sounding song myself.

>>75159352
The modified keyboard hasn't aged well.

>>75159337
I was talking about pop you wanker, and the French aren't white

>>75158523
Yeah yeah I know about Dick Dale and all that.

I know this is bait but I unironically hate you you piece of shit don't you ever disrespect Buddy Holly again.

>>75159147
>the Shirelles
98% of their songs were slow ballads, you'd be disappointed if you were hoping all of their output sounded like Mama Said.

>>75159376
Almost all of those were pop you retard, even classical was pop back in the 50's

If you're argument is in the 50's white people were too busy reviving folk and revolutionizing electronic music to bother with churning out Top 40 trash, then sure, I'll listen to your points but odds are, the artists you are citing as great have all sorts of garbage, same as Elvis, all those pop artists in the 50's were churning out filler like crazy

American pop was the worst part of the 50's

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>>75152549
Everything Frank Sinatra put out that decade was masterful

>>75159449
Only for the Lonely, No One Cares and Wee Small Hours are all much better than that album

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>>75153271
>chuck berry was good at all

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>>75159472
His later output was good too, pretty much every album he ever made was really good.

>>75158958
On the contrary, whites got so good at music they got bored of making music that sounded good.

>>75159370
>>75159422
In general, most of the ballads from that era sound very dated and awful, the fast stuff has held up better. IIRC Christgau said that he much preferred live recordings of Patsy Cline to her studio output which was bogged down by dated, cheesy ooh be doo bah bah late 50s-early 60s pop production.

>>75159511
Background vocals and string sections only work well when the artist has an amazing voice like Patsy Cline or Jim Reeves. Problem is they tried to give EVERYONE that treatment at some point.

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>>75158958
>to have emotion in your song, you must first steal and beat women
>then and only then, can you have something emotional to talk about that every man should be able to relate to

>>75159547
It's something John Lennon could relate to anyway. :^)

>>75158523
Add in distortion and this magically becomes thrash metal.

>>75159444
Fahey, Farese, Cage, Stockhausen, Xenaxis, yeah nice 'pop' you have their you fucking retard. At least you agree with my point that 50s American pop sucked

>>75159476
Cracka

>>75159511
The Definitive Collection [MCA Nashville, 2004]

In tone, timbre, and timing, Cline was the best-equipped female country singer ever. Where Dolly, Loretta, and Tammy are all downhome in their own ways, her swinging drawl still evokes the fleshpots--Raleigh! Richmond! Washington, D.C.!--and it's hard to imagine a more intelligent document of her 15 months of fame. "Crazy," "I Fall to Pieces," "She's Got You," "Half as Much"--these are perfect songs perfectly sung, now remastered to eliminate the echo that once dulled them. But though she survives Owen Bradley's strings and Nashville cats, his choruses remain, and unless you're focused, forgiving, or a sucker for kitsch, their hmms and oohs and doo-doo-doos do her in. Essential singing and history in an economical package that was long overdue. Fans will love it. But except in research mode, I bet I still play her live stuff. A-

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kill all whites

>>75159647
>now remastered to eliminate the echo that once dulled them

Oh yeah, that snapback reverb they abused to death in the 50s-early 60s.

>>75152549
>Why does white 50s music suck so fucking bad?
t. Rabbi Goldstein

>>75152549
because FCUK BRONF
AND FUCK WHITE PEEPOO
DAS RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

>>75157688
out of curiosity how do you even know this? how do you know what dominated the charts in the mid 50's

>>75159647
>>75159511
Too bad 99% of her songs were about breaking up with some guy and/or a guy cheating on her. Boring.

>>75159749
If only people kept a record of past events!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_in_music#Biggest_hit_singles

>>75159749
>he doesn't know how to use Wikipedia
Kill yourself

>>75159771
>>75159765
LOL

>>75159764
So you're saying Patsy Cline was Taylor Swift before Taylor Swift?

>>75159764
Oh, fuck off. 99% of songs back then were about that. There other 1% was about music.

>>75157688
For example, Jo Stafford--You Belong To Me was the #1 on the Billboard pop chart for 1952. That sounds very 40s and nothing like how you expect a 50s song to sound like.

>>75157785
>>75159893
Well yeah, but Stafford and Doris Day were veteran singers from the big band era and pushing middle age in the early 50s, they already had an established sound they did and weren't at the forefront of music trends like Elvis or the other young kids at that time.

Traditional pop was still very much a viable, mass market genre well into the rock and roll era, since older people would continue to buy and support that kind of music, while the kids were doing new, cutting edge things.

>>75159791
That comparison would be an insult to the memory of Patsy Cline though.

>>75159893
Patsy Cline actually covered that, it wasn't a single, but an album-only track from her Sentimentally Yours LP.

>>75159337
/thread

>>75160033
Pre-1965 LPs were usually just the hit single(s) padded out with filler and mediocre covers.

>>75159893
Taylor Swift had a song called You Belong With Me (not You Belong To Me). Of course it's completely different from >>75159893 (as if Taylor Swift and any of her producers have ever heard of You Belong To Me).

Lyrically though, it's pretty much exactly the same thing as Patsy Cline's shit, in a late 2000s rather than an early 60s way.

>>75152549
Who the fuck cares about that old shit? Music didn't even sound good until the mid 60s.

Get the fuck off my board and suck a dick, you old ass faggot. Jesus Christ

>>75160143
>go to Youtube
>pull up Jo Stafford--You Belong To Me
>get ad for the AARP
>pull up aforementioned TS ditty
>get ad for The Voice

Youtube has a weird sense of humor about what demographics of people tend to listen to what music.

>>75156924
Wanda Jackson.

>>75159981
For one thing, Patsy Cline's singing was infinitely more tasteful than the blonde-haired plank (seriously, how can you be attracted to someone with a body like that?)

>>75160234
Patsy had a very well rounded and full voice. Most women don't sing from the diaphragm anymore.

What about Janis Martin she's regarded as the female Elvis. True rockabilly and country.

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>sees post
>obvious race bait thread
>230+ replies
>mfw

>>75160258
>Patsy had a very well rounded and full voice. Most women don't sing from the diaphragm anymore.
And too bad, because singing from the chest is infinitely better for your throat in the long run, by the time you're 50 you'll thank yourself for it.

>>75160234
It's that vibrato that Taylor Swift does that annoys me. Someone posted a home movie of her playing when she was 14 and she did it even back then.

>>75158395
Christgau destroyed Queen though, so at least he has that going for him.

>>75160309
Most of this thread isn't even race discussion, it's insulting Taylor Swift and Cuckgau.

>>75160363
Does this really matter for the end product of music though?

>>75160791
If you consider just how quickly Robert Plant lost his upper range, then yes, yes, it does. By HOTH, you can already tell his voice is waning.

>>75160813
James Hetfield, another great voice gone too soon.

>>75160813
And yet, all the good Zeppelin stuff was before then hmm

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>>75160835
>And yet, all the good Zeppelin stuff was before then hmm

>>75160791
And, you know, some people maybe just like vocalists who sing from the chest.

Didn't Frank Sinatra and Elvis release music in the 50s? It's pleb core but it's still great. I'll fight anyone who disagrees.

>>75160363
>>75160234
>>75160884
That kind of singing style was really pretty much what crooners did (like, for instance, Jo Stafford). You probably didn't see singers do that much after the 60s because baby boomers didn't grow up when crooners were a thing, so they weren't influenced by that style of vocal like Patsy Cline or Elvis were.

>>75160910
Since you mentioned that, Frank Sinatra's voice remained formidable until he was past the age of 60 (New York, New York, recorded when he was 63 was the last time he really laid down those giant melodies). His later years, he did sound quite awful but compare all the rockers who've trashed their voices by 40-45.

>>75159147
>They were replaced by the Shirelles, Roy Orbison, and Del Shannon
The Beatles then killed all of them off. :^)

>>75159147
Now, Bruce Springsteen likes to talk about Chuck Berry and Elvis, but he was born in 1949, he was a little kid in the 50s. His main influences were Del Shannon and Roy Orbison more than Chuck Berry.

>ctrl-f nigger
>only 1 result

>>75156796
IIRC Christgau said something very similar in one of his columns, that a cheesy early 60s song about having a breakup with your SO (like, say, Runaway) was more pure and honest than all the prog albums ever made.

>>75152549
nigger/wigger detected

>>75161047
He very much grew up with the psychedelic rock generation of the late 60s. The band, steppenwolf, the stones, the who.