Who's the greatest Singer/Songwriter of all time?

Paul McCartney

Avey Tare

Everyone agrees its Dylan. Thread was unnecessary

Bon Iver

>>75135322
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

File: dubs-man-57b665da832db.jpg (38KB, 681x681px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 681x681px

>>75135311
>>75135322
callin' in those dubs

File: IMG_5262.jpg (96KB, 608x450px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 608x450px

>>75135311
Fuck off Bob. Let a real folk artist do her thing.

yeah its dylan.

Bruce Springsteen

>>75135384
Only person who I'd say is up there with Dylan. And Leonard Cohen.

ITT: the definition of middle brow

>>75136166
Don't reply to my thread ever again

>>75135322
Bingo

Shane Macgowan, Ian Dury or Robert Wyatt.

>>75135322
Right

In no order, off the top of my head:

Paul Macca
John Lennon
Dylan
Paul Simon
Springsteen
Cohen
John Fogerty
Tim Buckley

>>75135322
I do think Paul is the greatest songwriter ever, however, I think he was talking about the "singer/songwriter" genre. People like Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, and Van Morrison.

>>75136212

>Tim Buckley

literally who?

>>75136231
Paul could do "singer/songwriter" type folk better than any of those. That's why Paul is the GOAT. He could do Blackbird and Helter Skelter and on the same album. Best singer of anyone mentioned here to boot.

Also a name nobody has said yet: Van Morrison

>>75136233
i hope you OD on heroin

>>75136233
B^U

File: asd.jpg (21KB, 817x210px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 817x210px

>>75136233
Are you a retard ?

File: 1461650386705.png (127KB, 356x333px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 356x333px

As someone who hasn't heard anything at all by dylan, what exactly is it that makes him revered like a god among muricans?

Can someone recommend something by him that'll perhaps give me an idea of his greatness?

File: mr kite.png (132KB, 300x256px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 300x256px

>>75136284
What a stupid fucking post. You preface it by saying
>As someone who hasn't heard anything at all by dylan
Like do you have 5 brain cells? "Hurr I never heard him before, but what makes him good??/?" God what a brainless dolt you are. here's a solution to your grand problem: Listen to him!!! WOW!! What an elegant solution, then you can refer to your own opinion!!! Wouldn't that be something ?

File: 1494744782756.png (88KB, 298x332px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 298x332px

>>75136248
>Paul could do "singer/songwriter" type folk better than any of those.

>>75136284
>what exactly is it that makes him revered like a god among muricans?
i think you will find that people from countries besides america listen to music created by americans, especially when they are one of the most popular and respected and acclaimed musicians of all time

also this >>75136308

>>75136284
He's easy for their weak stomachs to digest just like every other refrigerator magnet songwriter posted in here. (Besides Avey Tare)

>>75136353
0/10 bait

>>75136320
>I'll Follow the Sun
>I've Just Seen a Face
>Yesterday
>Rocky Raccoon
>Blackbird
>Junk
>Hey Diddle
>Picasso's Last Words
There's some prototypical sadboy acoustic guitar folk. But wait be can also do 100 other genres. This is why Paul is the eternal GOAT. There are no lines in the sand, there are no genres he can't touch, no instruments he can't play, no octave he can't sing. He is THE singer-songwriter and doesn't even attempt to be.

>>75136380
It's really not. Dylan is the musical equivalent of John Green.

>>75136400
i love anco but my dude you need to stop

>>75136400
>(Besides Avey Tare)
How the FUCK is this not bait you worthless piece of life
>>75136444
>i love anco
kill yourself

>>75136308
he was asking what to listen to you cunt. dylan has a shitload of records

>>75136284
The Times They Are A Changin'
Highway 61 Revisited
Blonde On Blonde

He has a lot of music and changed is style often.

File: C07B0934-6440-47AD-B0B4-7A7075738014-2845-000004594C6FDF31.png (174KB, 402x539px) Image search: [Google]

174KB, 402x539px

>>75136457
>"kill yourself"

>>75136476
Dylan is one of the most acclaimed acts. There are unlimited resources and lists and rankings of his that are only a google search away. Fuck that guy I have nothing to apologize for.

>>75136385
None of those songs are even good examples of the singer-songwriter genre. I love McCartney, but he's obviously a very different type of songwriter than Dylan, Mitchell et al.

>>75136308
chill anon. I know what are usually considered his best albums by the general public. I figured I'd ask here as well to see if there's any difference in terms of recommendations (Which there usually is). Also, not to mention that I was curious why other people think he's so great (or what's so great about his music).

Calm your tits.

>>75136615
>I figured I'd ask here as well to see if there's any difference in terms of recommendations

because /mu/ and /lit/ generally tend to have a "start with this, then move on to this and if you like this then try out this else try out that" kind of advice which is pretty neat. that's why i asked. so don't get so riled up.

No Neil Young?
No Jeff Mangum?

File: 519gBEQssWL.jpg (42KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 500x500px

Noel Gallagher will dethrone the current title holder soon enough

>>75135311
not bob dylan

>>75136457
Avey Tare isn't trying to be profound, the rest of them are (and failing). Plus he has a much better sense of rhythm and melody than the rest.

>>75136212
pretty much nailed this list, but i'd take lennon and fogerty off personally

>>75136284
Skip his first three albums. They're boring ass shit. He's a good lyricist and birthed a new genre with the hawks. His latest album triplicate which came out this year is suprisingly very good.

>>75136857
Fuck off

>>75136284
>what exactly is it that makes him revered like a god among muricans?
At least partially, because he had perfect timing.Bob Dylan came along at a time when pop culture was starting to take rock/pop music seriously, and he followed on the heels of a folk music boom that praised intellectualism. By patterning himself after Woodie Guthrie and lying about his past to seem more "authentic" than other folk singers, he gained acclaim as a performer that carried over when he started writing his own songs. When the crossover from folk to pop happened, the praise kept going, and it was amplified because he was still writing folk tunes instead of pop songs. He was basically the first pop musician to write his own songs, and attach substance to them beyond themes about partying, girls, or surfing. That was pretty revolutionary at the time, and he got a reputation that never went away.

I say this as a big Dylan fan, too. He's a phenomenal songwriter, and he definitely deserves a lot of the praise, but it's easy to see how a lot of hyperbole about him comes from his convenient timing. He also cultivated the image of a genius poet deliberately; he took his own image seriously enough that when Richard Farina, an acclaimed poet who married Mimi Baez, started playing music, there was a lot of tension from Dylan who was scared Farina was a threat to his credibility as a writer. It's the reason he wrote Tarantula.

>>75136944
wow anon. thanks a lot for such a detailed answer. this is exactly what i was looking for. because i feel that for someone to be considered so great, just "his music is good" is not a sufficient explanation because there are a lot of artists with good music who aren't considered as favorably as unanimously as dylan is. thanks for the in depth reply. it gives me perspective and knowledge on him and i appreciate it.

>>75136266

Must be one of those "only popular in America" artists.

>>75137079
If you really want to know more about Dylan's early career, read Positively 4th Street. My post is basically a hyper-condensed summary of that book's sections about Dylan.

>>75137155
are you willfully stupid or is it out of your control?

File: neil-young-gretsch-colour.jpg (67KB, 600x789px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 600x789px

Neil Young for sure

>>75136233
He was a psych-folk singer in 60s/70s with a really powerful voice. He's pretty under-the-radar for the most part so don't feel bad not knowing him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxvXI1i9cw

>>75135311
Nick Drake

File: canadian frogs.png (52KB, 640x560px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 640x560px

Stan Rogers and Neil Young

>>75137201

rude tbqh. Put your toys back in your pram.

>>75135311
>>75135351
I know I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this, but I personally do not like Bob Dylan at all and think that he's massively overrated. A lot of his music, especially Highway 61 Revisited, is really boring and grating.I don't care about lyrics at all if they're not backed by good music and the music most of the time is not good, and I really don't see the appeal of the lyrics either. That being said I think my favorite singer songwriter is either Daniel Johnston, Townes Van Zandt, Randy Newman or Nick Drake.

>>75135311
this cunt got a literature nobel prize but nicanor parra still hasn't

Tom Petty. Seriously, he's written so many hits of own and plenty for other people

>>75137321
Stan Rogers is great, but doesn't he only don't established shanties?

the best: dylan, cohen, nico, tim buckley, nick drake, neil young

>>75135351
this

>>75136353
calling out b8 when i see it

>>75136284
for single handedly changing popular music and developing countless new types of lyricism and song writing. Maybe try desolation row

>>75135384
joni only had a few good albums, her jazz stuff is embarrassing.

>>75137472
>her jazz stuff is embarrassing.
Fuck off, Summer Lawns and Hejira were some of the best albums she made.

>>75136284

It's easy to just conclude that Dylan's image as the greatest songwriter in history was just hyperbole, but he did earn it for a reason. Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, and Blonde on Blonde were all released back to back and all changed popular music forever, before the fucker was even 30

Also, John Lennon was apparently intensely jealous when he heard this song and didn't know how the Beatles were going to compete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxjIBEZvx0

Think on that, Lennon was jealous of the fuck

>>75136878

You didn't like Freewheelin Bob Dylan or the Times They are a Changin?

If you said you didn't like Another Side of Bob Dylan I might agree

>>75137418

Most of his songs are original compositions, which makes it all the more impressive. Some folk artists initially disliked him because he wasn't playing established tunes, and others were pretty jelly that he could write a song that sounded like it was 400 years old. Your question itself is pretty telling.

>>75137472
Pleb.

>>75135311

I have a love hate relationship with Bob

When Dylan is in the mood he can write an incredibly original composition that feels like an instant classic (most recently Make you Feel my Love, Knocking on Heaven's Door, Things Have Changed) and actually put his heart into singing it

then at other times he just seems bored with songwriting and just wants to fill up another album with tracks involving black woman chanting in the background, a raspy smoker's voice, and guitar banging noises

>>75135384
you truly believe that her best work stands above something like "Desolation Row"? wew

>>75137762

not him but I agree

the words were so haphazard that I pretty much guarantee Dylan felt nothing about any of the words he said on Desolation Row, they probably just came to him

compare that to the things that Joni said on Blue

>>75137579
Well I'll be dammed.
Northwest Passages is GOAT

>>75137540
From bringing it all back home and beyond is when I like dylan. His nasal voice needs more than his guitar that sound like tin cans for me to enjoy.

File: Kate_Bush_The_Dreaming_Cover.jpg (67KB, 300x300px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 300x300px

Holy shit, how has no one said Kate Bush?? She has more individual talent than any other musician, and I will slaughter those who disagree

File: Paul McCartney.jpg (48KB, 404x480px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 404x480px

>>75135322
fpbp

>>75137809
But that wistfulness in his voice and how he's just marveling at those nobodies on the fringes of American society, the ones that (until then) never had a song. It's a much more abstract love song than Blue's breakup narrative

Dylan
Young
Mangum
Mitchell

Both Sides Now is probably the best song ever written, but the rest of her work isn't quite at the level of the other three.

>>75135311

Is there a state of mind or perspective you need to have to enjoy/understand Blonde on Blonde?

I was pretty blown away by H61R and BIABH but I just wasn't really into Blonde on Blonde, maybe I should revisit it soon

>>75137267
Greatest of all time and continues to put music out in 2017

>>75138991
His 2017 album was made in 1976 though.

>>75135311
Does Morrissey count?

>>75135311
dylan, paul simon and elliot smith are some of my faves

>>75139089
We're talking about good songwriters, so no he does not.

brian wilson

Van Morrison
Bob Dylan
Paul Simon
Brian Wilson
Paul McCartney
John Lennon
Tim Buckley
Ray Davies
Joni Mitchell
Donovan
David Crosby
Neil Young
Cat Stevens
Gordon Lightfoot
Bruce Springsteen
Tom Petty

The list could literally go on forever, there are so many good singers that wrote their songs. Gotta give #1 to Paul McCartney because of the variety in his catalogue.

>>75139461
Forgot Lou Reed. How the fuck I can forget him. May as well throw in Bowie too. Kurt Cobain aswell. The list doesn't fucking end.

>>75135311
leonard cohen my nigga. also lou reed (yeah i said it faggot)

It's a shame Thom Yorke is not even taken half seriously as a songwriter.

>>75139664
I guess because of the perception that he isn't at least 50% of the main creative drive. All the names posted did so much on their own, where as Thom is perceived to have help from a career-long team including Johnny Greenwood and producer Nigel Godrich. Radiohead's songwriting is largely done democratically and any act that operated this way is unlikely to add a name to this thread.

>>75139769
Fair enough. For some reason I was treating songwriting purely as writing lyrics, which he has done for 90% of their songs.

>>75139838
I think if you do the lyrics and the chords and the structures all by yourself you can say you've written the song. That's just my opinion.

>no Kozelek

absolutely embarrassing thread

>>75140065
Good pick, but does he really measure against some of the legends posted? I think he's in the next tier. Can you comfortably put Kozelek in a sentence with Dylan, McCartney, Lennon, Young? I sure as shit can't.

>>75136212
replace tim with jeff and axe Cohen and macca, add steve earle and mark kozalek

>>75135311
Big Rare

>>75140188
>replace tim with jeff
Kill yourself.

>>75140188
>axe macca
>add steve earle
Are you high ?

David bowie is the correct answer. His versitility and creative depth as a writer made the best. Bobby second though.

>>75140469
>His versitility and creative depth as a writer made the best.
By this criteria it's obviously Paul.

>>75139208
*elliott

but yeah, elliott smith is my favie fav, totally brilliant from a lyric and harmonic standpoint. got into big star pretty heavily because of him too.

File: 223.jpg (54KB, 720x960px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 720x960px

>shift + F
>no scott walker

fuck all of you. legendary as a singer, fascinating songwriter.

>>75140092
yes, Young and Koz are the two GOATs

>>75135311
elliott smith
jeff lynne
mccartney
bowie

one of them.

>>75137472
Hejira is her best album you fucking scone

>>75140722
good pick

File: pink-floyd-david-gilmour-roger-waters.jpg (196KB, 800x533px) Image search: [Google]

196KB, 800x533px

Roger Waters

David was the icing on top

>>75136233
niice here's another (((u)))

>>75136233
the non-hack version of jeff buckley

>>75140944
>entrylevel floydkek prog rock

Unironically it's John Mayer

>>75140722
kt

>>75140963
Roger had a fantastic combination of lyrics and music, just listen to any of his solo albums

>>75140994
Floyd is in the Radiohead situation. Too much of a group effort, respective solo careers too mediocre to hold up.

>>75136166
Singer-Songwriter isn't a very aristocratic genre, anon

>>75141093
Singer songwriter isn't a genre you dolt
It just describes what the musician does
Singer songwriter =/= folk

File: a512c418.jpg (44KB, 790x395px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 790x395px

>no one has posted mac daddy yet

if you haven't heard of him, listen to ode to viceroy.

>>75135311

If you're really set on Bob Dylan you shouldn't forget Woody Guthrie and Ramblin' Jack Elliot

>>75135311
my bebe Vashti Bunyan

File: prickle1.png (191KB, 438x330px) Image search: [Google]

191KB, 438x330px

The best? Vee Mampeezy
>Who's that? Never heard of 'em!!!
Just sit back, wipe the cheetoh dust off your lips and listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKvSV-49bEQ

>>75136255
Only if you fucky my butthole