/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

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>>75073772
The headstock decals Squire owners wish they had.

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>Built in Mini Rockrec
>Revoiced to sound like a Knucklehead
>Oversized cab with a Neo Creamback
I think I found my next amp. Thoughts?

hi

New official tuning: GGDEAD

>>75074674
haha very good one

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Should I start learning classical or jazz guitar?

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I picked up a MIJ Jazzmaster from Craigslist a few months ago. So far I love it but there are a couple problems with the bridge and trem that really bug me.

The bridge is giving me a lot of issues with buzzing and holding the strings in place. I got it set up recently, which helped with the buzzing, but now the bottom E string refuses to stay put and constantly pops out of its slot, which messes with intonation and tuning. It's playable but definitely not ideal. The B string also buzzes a little but not enough to be super noticeable.

The tremolo sounds great but the trem bar literally refuses to stay in place, every time I push it in it holds for a few seconds and then just falls. Makes it damn near unusable a lot of the time.

Anyone have any experience/suggestions here? I know everyone says to just throw a Staytrem on it and call it a day but I'm wary of spending that much money and possibly changing the tone of the guitar unless it's definitely my best option. I also heard buzz-stop helps a lot.

Hi bros, geting back into guitar after fucking years. Stopped playing at around 17, im 24 now and want to pick it up again. I still remember almost all basic chords and the random power chords since i was into punk at the time. But i have no real understanding when it comes to theory and scales etc. Should i start off it scales? I have the basics down but not sure where to start.

What is a downtuning that melodizies well with E standard? A?

>>75075067
>and the random power chords
Wait... you mean you know ALL the power chords?

>>75075009
You bought a non-American Jaguar/Jazzmaster. This is a well-known phenomenon.

>>75075067
It's the eternal question, isn't it? You should have been here for the one-string guy.

>>75075140
Yeah I know ALL of them

>>75075213
Fucking hell, guy. I don't think you've got anything left to learn.

>>75074990

No.

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>he doesn't use Pure Nickel strings

Holy shit these things seriously last forever. I might actually switch over to the D'Addario equivalent because Ernie Balls have a bad rep of not lasting long.

>>75075169
American Jaguars and Jazzmasters weren't in production between 1975 and 2016.

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>spend 2 hours wiring the rats nest that is jaguar wiring
>test
>doesn't work
>spend 2 more hours looking over every connection resoldering potential cold solders
>doesn't work
>realize the fender PDF must've been made by some chinee and there are a bunch of errors on the diagram

>>75075339
American Jaguars were produced from 1999 onwards.

You're probably thinking of the dates of the CIJ series.

>>75074990
>classical or jazz
Which do you spend more time listening to? You would probably be happier learning that one to start.

>>75075314
>Pure Nickel
Totally just mind fucked us. They last forever but you'll switch because they have a reputation for not lasting?

just drank a bit of beer, am i singing better? if so ill record the vocals to my covers

https://clyp.it/bhj2cbyb

why are floyd rose bridges such a pain in the fucking ass to set up
once it's all done, it's really nice and stable, but i've been fucking around for about 2 days now with my floyd and the fucker just won't stay the fuck in tune
I'm really close to throwing the entire guitar through the fucking window

>>75075169
I was aware that bridge problems with Jazzmasters are pretty common. I had a Jazzmaster before this as well so I remember reading about it. I'm just not sure what I should do about it, every time I ask I get a different answer.

My first instinct is to just get a Staytrem bridge and call it a day but I've also heard that that might be overkill when there are easier/cheaper solutions available. I've also heard that the Staytrem changes the sound of the guitar a bit.

>>75075406
There are a lot of them online, surely one must work.

>>75075553
1. Attach strings
2. Rough tuning, string order 3 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 6
3. Repeat 2 until the tuning is somewhat stable
(3.5. If you change your string gauge, loosen or tighten the springs so that the top of the Floyd is flat or slightly tilted forward and go back to 2)
4. Lock the nut
5. Fine tune, same order as before

Basically it's just lots of repeats until everything is stable. If you do everything systematically, it shouldn't take longer than 20 minutes at most. Setting intonation is a bit more work but that's pretty much a one time job.

Also buy a fixed bridge guitar. That's what I did in the end. Not because of the extra work but because I didn't use the vibrato.

>>75075582
>there are easier/cheaper solutions available.
The easiest solution is to use thicker strings. The bridges were designed when most people were using 12s, so modern strings can have trouble putting the correct pressure on them. If you can stand playing them (although, IMO, people complain about that shit too much; if you spend any time playing acoustic, you're playing way thicker strings than most people use for electric, and no one ever complains about acoustics being completely unplayable), put some .11s on the guitar and see if that does anything.

The next easiest solution is to switch to a Mustang bridge. You could also change the saddles. A few makers put out Jazzmaster-specific models that don't use the dumb thread design. As far as the Trem bar not staying in place: use electrical tape. Wrap enough around the base of the bar to create more tension, it's what Kevin Shields does.

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>>75075758
I have a couple of fixed bridge guitars but I use this one for a different tuning

still, thanks, will try to do that stuff

>>75073772
why you can play a minor scale over a major chord but not a major scale over a minor chord?

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The enemy can't play guitar, if you disable his hand!

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>>75076628
>He needs two hands to play guitar

I just want pussy man. Which is the fastest way to get it? Bass? electric guitar? Acoustic?

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>>75076763
>hands

>>75075582
I would:
Buy a Staytrem
Put 11s on
Get it properly set up

Then you'll be free of problems. The bridge shouldn't change the sound of the guitar. High end versions of Fender offsets are currently being produced with equivalent bridges.

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>>75077767
Bro, hurdy-gurdy is where it's at. Look at the smile on that dude's face. He gets mad medieval on that pussy. Hear me now. Thank me later.

>>75077767
acoustic guitar, but you have to be handsome and sing too

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>Tele Vomit guy hasn't appeared ITT yet

>>75076212
Yeah, I put 11's on it first thing. Definitely an improvement but still not 100% there.

I'll definitely go for the electrical tape solution though, that's a big help. Thanks Anon

>>75078035
Cool, thanks for the advice. I definitely was under the impression that the bridge wouldn't change the sound or anything but I wanted to be sure. I'll pick up a Staytrem for it in that case.

dang put 11s on my tele and its brought in the bridge's twanginess just enough and its luvly

>>75072087
You messed up the melody, took out an accidental. Sounds gay now

>>75078169
>hurdy-gurdy is where it's at.
You jest, but hurdy gurdys are fucking awesome. I'm pissed it's impossible to find one for a reasonable amount of money, because I really want to pick one up sometime. It seems like they would be great for creating drones and other kinds of ambient music.

>>75077767
electric if you're a ladys man, acoustic if you're looking for the hipstefag type

>>75078014
>Limbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z9gVGw_cU

>>75073772
Best bass for around the $500 USD mark? Thanks /gg/.

>>75079451
literally any Ibenez bass undre $501

MODO bass >>> any physical bass

>>75078534
Does your family know your gay yet?

>>75073828
>not putting a Squier decal on your USA Custom Shop Strat
shaking my head

>>75074990
Whatever interests you more

In the event you like both equally, learning jazz develops intuitive skills that are useful in every situation, while classical develops technical skill that's more precise, but more limited in scope.

What do guya think about Ted Greene's lesson sheets?

>>75077767
Buy a DSLR camera, make a website for your photography studio and forget about guitars and music altogether.

>>75079824
Are you referring to something in particular of his? I have a few pdfs of solo pieces he wrote for students along with some books. Good resources if you understand the concepts they're developing.

He has an enormous amount of interesting ideas but doesn't always convey it that well in explanation if you don't already understand it somewhat.

https://clyp.it/mam1mdp0

What does /gg/ think of my playing style?

>>75080189
>https://clyp.it/mam1mdp0
Samuel/10
Better than crazyaga, worse than Lil' Wayne

>>75080319
>Samuel/10

What does that mean, anon?

>>75073772
Is 22 too old to learn bass?

>>75081005
It's never too late.

>>75080354
It's good Samuelcore. You have your own genre now.

>>75081269
thats not me anon

daily practice
https://clyp.it/cajkaxvn

>tfw no steel acoustic
lifes being mean to me

>>75081470
I've heard several versions of this by you and they all suck you should quit because you haven't improved.

>>75081980
no, i have improved. hear one of the earliest ones:
https://55chan.org/mu/src/1501945704874.mp3

>>75082121
That's the worst one yet, you have gotten worse.

>>75082156
of course its the worst, its about my first recording of that song, are you retarded?

>>75081470
I like your voice a lot, and your playing is very good. Don't listen to the other anon, you're doing just fine.

What song is that out of curiosity?

>>75082121
ugh i'm making some gay tones in that one

>>75082264
thanks an8
song is wild world, original by cat stevens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBk9p0AZU-8

the mr big cover is cooler tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejyElIcC44

>>75082264
>I like my voice a lot and my playing is very good. I won't listen to that other anon because I'm doing just fine.

>What song was I playing, out of curiosity?

Dude, your meds. Take them.

I have 700 to buy an amp for metal, what do you guys reccomend?

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>>75082691
No, homo.

STFU IT'S PARTY TIME!!!

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>>75082691
>People are not allowed to like things I don't

>>75082815
>meal
>good

Started practicing with a metronome for the first time and I fucking suck. Was doing first position G major and worked up to 160bpm. Then tried 8th notes at 80bpm and it was a trainwreck. Tell me it gets easier.

>>75083079
i can play on the beat at 40bpm

>>75082672
is posting on 4chan the funniest part of your life?

>>75083287
i didnt report tho

>>75083079
it does

try playing to drum tracks also, as that might sound/feel more natural when you're first doing this

>>75082815
Save a little more and buy an Engl Ironball.

58bpm according to an online tap tempo finder - and i didnt use a click track

https://55chan.org/mu/src/1505089359634-1.ogg

>>75083506
>and i didnt use a click track
haha oh yeah we see we see anon

>>75083506
>55chan
>4chan for Brazilian nogs
Guise how about we go /mu/ there and shitpost the fuck out of it

>>75083910
do it mongs

go to /b/ also

https://clyp.it/tl4e3vef

is this song on C only?
https://my.mixtape.moe/ubymij.mp3
Other stuff must happen but my amateur knowloedge limits me

>>75084033
sounds like it modulates in some way after that long d chord but i cant figure what it is
what is that track from?

>>75084154
Yeah, there is a D, and I descend chromatically on the C to the Am somewhere (that's all I can say lol)

"Where is that from?" I think the info is on the file tags... Anyway, a live video for the lulz
https://youtu.be/tZxmJcF_42w
i love the guitar dude...

>>75084383
>camera man pans to idiot clapping while solo goes on
Why are people so retarded about filming bands?

>>75079498
shut the fuck up lupita

Whats the most /mu/-core setup and why is it
>Jazzmaster + Vox AC30

>>75084572
Not me, I have a Jagstang and a Champ.

>>75084655
Thats pretty damn patrician if i would say so myself.

any ideas for my strat project? rn it's apart waiting for the nitro to dry, so i wanted to fuck with the electronics while it's apart. i've got a bill lawrence 500xl in the bridge and I already ordered a GFS lipstick for the neck. what should i do with the middle pickup?

>>75083506
are you having stomach aches anon? want help?

Anyone ever bought a guitar from http://www.cheapguitarstores.com? Are they as good Squier guitars or are they worse?

> tfw you want to play jazz but you can't afford a jazzmaster

> tfw you want to play surf but you can't afford a surfcaster

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Anyone actually own a Japanese Boss CE-2 from the 80's? I'm really about to pick one up online cause man it's incredible.

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Anyone know any good fixed wahs or other filter pedals on the market?
Was originally looking at getting a warp sound clone but recently came across the Magnetic Effects Midphoria. The former has distortion control but I figure with the latter I can just use it with a fuzz. Also with a clean blend I imagine it is more versatile.

>>75086926
My chorus is supposed to be a clone and I like it, but I've never played an original.

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How do I get the tone that Dylan Carlson got on Earth 2 Special Low Frequency Version?

>>75088035
Take a microphone and put it behind your fridge.

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>>75086926
A buddy of mine who worked at my local sam ash scooped one up that came in the store. Got to try it myself and its pretty damn sweet. Also you might want to consider the newer Waza CE-2 reissue which has added features like the Original CE-1 Circuit as well as the CE-2 and a vibrato mode. Pic related

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Can I get some help identifying the year on this? It's a Squier Bullet. Everything on Google shows "Squier Bullet Strats". Mine just says "bullet" and fender model # searchers don't work. The # is SI050202253 and i've tried I, l, and 1 and it still won't work on Fender's site. It's made in Indonesia. That's all I know.

>>75083079
>metronome
It gets easier and your timing gets better. Stick to 16th notes so that you can guage your progress.

1. How do you make songs that are different from a rhythm section and guitar solo?

2. How do you write lyrics when your life experiences are very limited (no relationships, amazing life events, etc)? Sure I can just make up goofy stuff but how do I that well? It seems to turn out either really good or really bad.

>>75088485
Write about how boring everything is. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will relate.

>>75088632
I don't think of everything as boring at all. Also that idea sounds boring. Maybe you should do it though.

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I've got a Crate RetroFX piece of shit amp that won't stop buzzing, it was free but right now it's the only decent amp I've got. Around March I took it in to a local music shop and they said they fixed it, but it's just as bad if not worse now.

Any tips on how to fix this stupid fucking thing?

>>75088818
Also I'm 110% positive it isn't just my guitar/cables, I think something with the speakers is messed up but I don't really know how to fix it

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I feel like these should be more popular than they are.

Sounds the same as my SG400 and LP junior, but was a bit awkward to play at first.

I use it more than any of my other guitars now besides the acoustic.

what amps would you recommend for 7 string acoustic eletric

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>>75088922
Looks better than the ali express model I was looking at.

what are some things to look for when youre trying out a used guitar?

im very new and looking for something to practice on

i have an old acoustic that i got for free but i want to start playing around on an electric and dont really have any clue about what i need/what i should buy

>>75090703
Go to local guitar shop, play guitars, pick out one you like, playing wise. Sound shouldn't come into this. It's nice if you like the sound, but you can always swap pickups later

>>75090703
That is is straight and holds tune

>>75088922
>>75089659
Are you two having gigs on mountain tops or national parks, why the fuck else would you own these guitars? They just look so retarded to me, you're just playing a fucking neck.

>>75090779
alright so i should just find something with a comfortable weight and neck shape, thanks

although that makes me wonder, as a more general beginner question, if the sound comes mainly from the pickups, then what is the "difference" between guitars, if you know what i mean?

>>75090954
Tonewood

>>75090954
the woods and hardware affect how the strings vibrate, this and the pickups affect the timbre and tone of the instrument

I want an AX8.

As an alternative, what are the most versatile best amps that aren't too expensive? I'm thinking maybe something like a Mark V 25, Bogner Shiva

tones I like/use the most

>blues lead tone
>classic rock ac/dc, zeppelin kind of thing
>david gilmour SOYCD type leads & cleans
>sludgy, crunchy mastodon & alice in chains rhythms

the amount of different amps in the AX8 is just so appealing though

>>75088632
I tried to compose once and came up with this

Remember?
When everything was bright
Apathy was out of sight
You always had lots of fun and things just happened

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>>75086926
i used a ce2 until i got pic related.
best chorus i've ever heard.

>>75088818
did you try it ou of home or in a different room?
sometime your home's grid is shit.

rate timing
https://55chan.org/mu/src/1505093623238-0.ogg

>>75090884
Looks so easy to travel with and it's cheap. Just needs a gig bag that counts as carry-on luggage.

>>75088485
Write about Trump pissing you off, put some angry barre chords behind it and you're set.

>>75092652
Just saw Jeff Rosenstock play. The bassist slagged off trump between songs and heaps of the people cheered. Fucking why, we're in Australia. At least slag off some local politician and make it relevant.

>>75086926
Get a CS9, way better than the CE2
(I have both)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AERg3-_xQk

>>75088357
http://shop.fender.com/en-US/squier-electric-guitars/stratocaster/bullet-strat-ht/0311001580.html

its new, made within the past couple years

>250 eurobucks for a vintage modified jazz bass
Is it worth it mates ?

>>75092971
No

do you think favelas are cool

can anyone link me to a maple neck that would fit onto a squier jaguar? I really don't like the contrast that the rosewood fretboard creates

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>>75088485
2.

>bought a genuine hand made flamenco guitar in Granada Spain
>returned from my vacation yesterday and the shipping is supposed to arrive today or tomorrow
>still not here
I'm fucking dying. Everytime I hear a car outside I run to the window if it is there already.
Give me some of your favourite Flamenco songs for me to play soon. Preferably solos.

>>75083079
So after another round of metronome practice, I wish I started sooner. I was able to pick up on posture issues I didn't know I had, and realized I was using entirely too much pressure with my fretting hand. Plus getting really familiar with the scale position and improved timing/pick accuracy. Why the fuck did I not do this before.

>>75093475
queen innuendo

>>75093526
>I was able to pick up on posture issues I didn't know I had
like which ones

>I was able to pick up on posture issues I didn't know I had, and realized I was using entirely too much pressure with my fretting hand. Plus getting really familiar with the scale position and improved timing/pick accuracy
one doesnt need a metronome to do that, in fact i find it harder with a metronome because my attention is focused on the beat

>>75093423
It kind of makes sense in the context of the song.

>>75093526
This, little things that I typically gloss over get revealed. Also an accurate gauge for improvement.

sup guys. pls check out how I transcribe Frank Marino's solo:
https://clyp.it/2a3ycz0c

>>75093547
If I had to describe it, I would say that because I was focused so much on the timing that I was able to feel things that were distracting me. When I changed how I was holding the guitar and used a more gentle fretting hand, it helped me lock in much better.

>>75093747
ah i see. i too started using a metronome only recently and regret having neglected it all these years

>>75093526
Yeah, it's like a wonder drug!

>>75092864
You'll be slagging him off too when the nukes start flying your way.

https://soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria/wild-world

>>75094147
all guitars recorded with the Alien® Mars amp and miked with a SM57 copy

>>75088922
Can you get one with a floyd?

>>75094147
i'm liking this superslow, acoustic version

https://clyp.it/w4mzpazp

Ok lads, time to put the /gg/ to bed. For good. For your own good too

>>75094166
I still can't tell if the Alien shilling going for the past few months is a meme or actual shilling

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>>75096511
wtf dude i literally just recorded stuff with my alien amp

and the les paul guitar btw

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>>75088004
check out the Triskelion Harmonic Energizer, is modern clone on pedal that was part of Frank Zappa's tone for many years.

You could try to find an original Systech but they are $$$. The Systech Overdrive is worth checking out too. The guy at systech went on to found Pro Co, and struck gold with the Rat The Systech Overdrive is an earlier versions of the Rat

>>75074990
if you have talent jazz

if not classical

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>>75088004
the Clonemasters Alien Mother Filter is in its own league too.

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>>75088004
Real classic it the Maestro Parametric Filter, think early QOTSA

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>>75088004
Death by Audio make some great filters, the Kill Kill is worth a listen.

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>>75088004
Even better than the DBA Kill Kill Filter is their Sound Saw. Glass Audio makes affordable clones that sound like a nice mix of the three different SS circuits they put out.

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>>75088004
The DBA Evil Filter gets it on pretty well

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>>75088004
MuTron III filter is another classic

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>>75088004
Koma Elektronik FT201 filter also gives you step sequencer and patch pay

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>>75088004
Moog mf-101 low pass filter is another top contender

>>75096629
is that you gear spammer?

is that the real gear spammer?

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>>75088004
I would be remiss if I didn't mention the Lovetone Meatball.

>>75096825
>patch pay
lol he's back. show us your long dirty nails senpai

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>>75088004
the Lastgasp Art Laboratories Cyber Psychic is an oscillating filter. pretty nuts

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ace frehley hanging with eddie kramer at the studio and learning production tricks

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>>75088004
I've always wanted to try one of these

>>75088357
>SI050202253
mine is IC04, crafted in indonesia
maybe yours is 2005

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>>75096954
this looks fun too

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>>75097008
can attest this is a good one. Penny Pedals Radio Deluxe

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>>75097128
i'd also through in the Placid Audio Carbonphone, you can always use its filter box with other mics too...assuming

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>>75097153
Been getting good mileage from the Placid Audio Resonator A too.

>>75097179
haha what is that pic
funny

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>>75088004
these look good anyways smallsound/bigsound Pretty Years f

>>75097204
"don't talk to me or my son ever again!" lol :o)

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>>75097204
https://www.placidaudio.com/

is this enough gain for metal

https://clyp.it/mgcwp5yb

>>75097260
no, but i think this is LOL
https://clyp.it/pz4zmguc

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>>75088004
Getting the Korg MS20 filters in pedal format isn't a bad idea

>>75096511
It's literally (and I mean literaly) just samuel. He has an Alien amp (because that hue brand is the only type they sell in BR-land) and won't shut up about it.

Seriously. No-one else likes them because we have respectable amp brands everywhere else in the world.

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>>75097359
whats samuel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em2DNMCC3pk

I'm listening to Marc Ribot

Its pretty annoying
I like little parts a lot but over all its pretty annoying

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>>75097359

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>>75088004
almost forgot this lovely, Jomox T-Resonator. use with precaution

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hello friends

can someone please point me to the most basic of basic bass starter tutorials? i have no idea what to do.

and how should i proceed after?

Is this bass performance worth editing?

https://clyp.it/jivc4u4k

>>75097421
It's supposed to be annoying, go listen to Julian Lage if you want smooth pansy boy shit.

Guys the Grimesfags are trying to take /gg/ as the name of their containment threads.

>>75097574
Good. About time we wrapped it up here.

>>75097574
i saw your first post on that thread. you still didnt realize they arent naming their thread off /gg/

>>75097521
no

>>75097792
yes it is, stop talkin shit on my shit

>>75097838
you would have to edit every single note. just play it again and count.

>>75097879
i dont mind editing it into the grid. im more concerned if it has cool licks on it

>>75097921
>im more concerned if it has cool licks on it
not really

>>75097935
thanks for your opinion man.

>>75097965
welcome

>>75097976
ha

how you pick up the notes for these distant intervals, string skipping stuff

>>75075067
You should if you want to play something that isn't power chords without constantly having to try notes to see if it sounds good, and noodling around to compose songs and STILL have them sound stale because all you know is power chords

>>75097551
Julian Lage is really boring

i wanna rock n roll all nite and party every day

>>75082815
5150, duh

>>75082815
download a Revalver torrent for free

>>75098786
rock n roll sucks tho

>>75099046
>t. djentard

>>75092358
Tried it at home, but also at a friend's jam pad area where everyone else's amps were doing alright. I think I may need to just clean out the input jack, not sure

>>75099058
>implying djent is not the logical conclusion of rock n roll

>>75099078
I normally hate the logical conclusion meme, but that is actually a legitimate statement

>>75099173
i used logical conclusion in my conversations since i was a kid because im a narrowminded autist

recording live vs one track at once

>>75099291
record live, then have each member listen to live version and play along to record at once.

>>75099312
why

i like practicing

>>75099345
you have a version to fall back on so you're not just playing the track without the rest of the ensemble, then if you want to turn up an indivdul track/pan bass and guitar to separate ears you can, unless you've got a studio level live recording setup

>>75099291
Depends what you're going for. Organic, raw sound? Record live. Polished and pristine? One track at a time, piece by piece.
Also most bands aren't skilled enough to produce a good end result when recording live, gotta make sure they have the skill first

>>75078903
>still uses his limbs
nice try, retard.

>>75099419
>>75099433
this too, in the shitty punk band i was in we just recorded everything live but our singer sucked ass and his vocals were always way too fucking loud so now if I record something while jamming with friends we record a shit live track then do each track by ourselves on top, once it's done we delete the live track so we can edit everyone if someone's amp is too loud or whatever. I haven't recorded in like 2 years though.

>>75099378
practice on my erect cock

>>75099419
>>75099463
youre considering recording live as a simple singletrack recording? recoding with a mic on each amp youll be able to edit stuff just the same.

>>75093686
very good joke really funny hilarious even nice one is what i'm saying if you get me

watching this made me want to practice singing and make a similar heavy bluesrock ballad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_f250hoHus

who here leslie west albums?
production is heavy and clear af, so is his singing and guitars
https://youtu.be/WA28ka-WSCw

>>75099510
lmao this shit was already lame by 1995, why keep trying to play outdated buttrock man?

>>75099574
yeah i dont like the unplugged sessions' sound but thats some good vocal wanking and that solo section has space for some heavy stuff

>>75099537
>produced by George Lopez
wut

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I make music which is fuzz-oriented, Smashing Pumpkins kinda vibe. I don't want to do exactly what Billy Corgan did with a strat any more though. Should I buy this instead?

>>75099947
really just do it with any guitar dood

>>75092909
The thing is, that says bullet strat. Mine only says bullet. It's a diff guitar.

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>>75099947
Get a non-reverse firebird instead. Ironic Superstrats will never catch on, you'll be disrespected wherever you go.

What songs would be good for a saxophone player and a guitarist?

My only friend with an instrument plays sax. I'm thinking I can do rhythm while he does whatever saxs do.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1NrOxriOVSw

>>75100298
>disrespected because of a superstrat

>>75100360
Image is a bigger issue than you might think, sucks but it's true. People will just assume you're a wanker when they see you roll up with a pointy ibanez. In the circles I roll in playing a guitar at all already makes people suspicious

>>75100414
lol
>In the circles I roll in playing a guitar at all already makes people suspicious
suspicious that you like shredding on the guitar?

>>75100351
money?

>>75100450
People associate guitars with rockism, my music couldn't be further from that so I've had people passive aggressively say things like "I don't really like guitar music" before we've even played and shit like that.

happy september 11

>>75100486
whats your music like
what you say after that

>>75100351
jazz standards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2PuNwQTr8

>>75100500
Free Jazz/Improvisation. I usually just ask them to elaborate why and then they usually can't making themselves looks like idiots. I can see where they're coming from, it's just douchey to dismiss an entire instrument like that.

>>75100474
>>75100520
thanks

>>75100586
My roommate literally said to my face, "everyone I've met that owns a guitar is a douchebag" knowing I play religiously

All that dumb bitch is plays the ukulele and sing shitty indie radio stuff

>>75100351
I'll probably get shit on for this but try some older Dave Matthews Band. Their original sax player was a badass.

>>75100351
this has a sax solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ctk_A57F6w

>>75100351
jam some 12 bar blues

>>75100793
Maggot Brain would be fun I think. With the sax on the solo

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Poast xotic skales pls 4 eer trayning

>>75100884
you dont need scales for ear training

why people even ask for scales when this page exists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes

> Vox AC4-C12 gets put up on Reverb an hour ago for £175
> gets sold while I check out how it sounds on youtube

fug that was a really good price.

Slade In Flame album is real fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HMsibS55Xw

>>75100884
Modes of Melodic Minor and Harmonic Minor. Not many of them are often used, but they sound cool and can be put to good use

>>75101081
what is a melodic minor

>>75101127

Someone under the age of 18 who likes to sing.

>>75101162
;-)

>>75101162
The scale that jazz players fetishize becuase they don't want to use harmonic minor and be associated with metal players

>>75101079
the full album
https://youtu.be/sGRXln0jQ3E

>>75101204
thats not why jazz musicians use it but okay

>>75101496
Care to explain then jazz feg?

>>75101204
jazz doesnt use scales in the traditional sense, the key changes to quickly to be able to use a scale

>>75101544
how do they play then

I obtained Bias FX recently and it sounds awesome through my fancy headphones, but my cheap stereo speakers can't handle certain frequencies and they fizz and buzz when I play through them. I assume a pair of cheap studio monitors like Mackie CR3s would do the job?

>>75076763
>jerking the fretboard is playing
Go home Buckethead, you're drunk

>>75101518
it has a lot of useful modes, and good with substitutions.

if you're familiar with LCCOTO, lydian dominant is considered the "most consonant" dominant mode, harmonically. more than mixolydian.

altered dominant (super locrian) is conversely the most dissonant dominant scale and very useful over altered chords.

there's other useful things but those two are super important. harmonic minor's modes don't really offer the same flexibility.

>>75101518
think of it this way in the song caravan the change is primarly c7 to Db7

this change is perfect for harmonic minor which is a raised 7th but its not super useful overall because of the step and a half between the 6th and 7th

in short it doesnt fit well into modal framework no made take a step and a half but by also adding that sharp sixth melodic minor kinda resembles the dorian mode while still having that cool harmonic minor relationship between the 7 1 2, and 3

>>75101544
that entirely depends on genre, tempo and the tune itself. what you're saying is most true for 40s/50s bop, but less so elsewhere. modal jazz most obviously.

but that 40s/50s style is also the de facto starting place for most people learning jazz, so i can see why you'd assume it was true for everything in jazz.

>>75101635
>he referenced the altered scale

I don't need to follow a scale to play all the wrong notes and a couple chord tones here and there

>>75101677
I'm not understanding what you are getting at, why does the min3rd between the 6 and 7 matter in this context? Especially seeing as if you know what your doing, you'll be extracting unconventional triads and 7th chords from the scale instead of just playing the scale in a linear fashion.

>>75101572
like this ill be soloing over solar by miles davis I guess just listen and you'll understand

because its hard to explain

https://clyp.it/0xyhypz3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mvEBGHduts
Will learning to play like this get me laid

>>75101697
you wont get the "jazzy sound" without using it

you're kinda right but only partially in a tune like red clay you can just play Eb dorian over it all but its better to play around the chord tone and relate everything back to the 1, 3, 5 , and 7

you are a more proficient player when you stop thinking of scales and start thinking of notes, thats what the greats of jazz do

>>75101841
really, you're going the scale snob route?

it's a useful scale, especially if you already have the muscle memory of the MM scale from other uses. not my go to outside approach, but i'm glad to have it.

>>75101886
because when you look at the degrees of the modes there is no mode thats is 1, and a half step away form its previous note.

>>75101895
Maybe in rural kentucky

>>75101965
not him but im a scale snob

>>75101962
please tell me that this is fairly new stuff to you

you're not entirely "wrong" but you sound like someone just barely getting into the "vertical" approach and clumsily reducing it into a one size fits all fix for any tune. you're gonna get sick of doing that real quick.

>>75101895
I guarantee you every time this guy brings out a geetar he gets the pu-tang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T39cf2WwBGY

>>75101962
>>75102130
who should i follow

>>75102155
accidental sage

>>75102171
neither of us have any true authority

follow who you want desu him or me

>>75102196
of course you dont have authority over me but which one would be better to follow
tell me your point of view

>>75102130
its not, I think I may not be portraying what I mean correctly

I dont think trying to use any set is correct, at the end of the day a scale is just a convenient grouping of notes right

a common and convenient grouping

but the way I look at it is that the notes are individuals and all have different relationships to all other notes

by combining these notes in different ways you get different and interesting color tones and arent bound by scales or groupings

I also just wanna say im not trying to pick a fight with you, I think we just have different ways of looking at the instrument

>>75102171
his advice is good for a beginner learning this approach in contrast to the "horizontal" way people intuitively improvise at first.

BUT skilled players do a lot more than that. they use both approaches interchangeably, not to mention phrase ideas to tones way beyond just the 7th.

his advice is too simple and safe for long term advice. good for starting out though.

>>75102246
im this guy

>>75102265
>>75102196
>>75101962
>>75101544

>>75102266
but dont people start out vertically with the common scale shapes

>>75102179
No, it's sage.

>>75102266
I think I may have phrased my argument poorly see >>75102265

because I agree with what you're saying about a one size fits all but that wasnt the message I was trying to convey

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Looking for more songs to transcribe/learn on classical guitar. Just finished avril 14th and i'm looking for similar, any reccs?

>>75102265
that's a really dry and abstract way of viewing scales/modes in my opinion.

i found myself thinking similar stuff a while back when i was doing too much theory/improvising, and not working on tunes/listening to music melodically.

work on learning/studying tunes for a while, especially modal things outside of jazz, like celtic music, indianc classical or medieval church vocal music. when i did that, i got a much better sense of the character/flavor of modes instead of the technical qualities.

>>75102265
stop thinking of scales in a linear way. Start thinking of scales and chords in tandem. Your understand will improve drastically.

>>75102311
the vertical/horizontal thing is not explicitly a guitar concept, i first heard it from a horn player in fact (which has nothing like guitar scale shapes)

google it, its a widespread idea

Is it too late to learn guitar to join the 27 Club? 21 right now

>>75102504
as far as i know its about horizontal=on the same string vertical=same frets range on multiple strings

>>75102462
so you're saying thinking of Dorian as the 2 chord of the key? etc

its intresting, maybe its just the way I was taught but I was started with modes, and moved from there

Here's I guess my issue with that is that its in my opinion harder to switch from lets says a 2 to a 5 switching from dorian to mixlydian than just adujsting the chord tones you're playing

I guess modes make me feel limited in my playing

>>75102539
you seem very, very shallow

if you have a motive other than a love for music you wont last 2 months

>>75102559
maybe that's taught somewhere

but the widespread idea i know is
horizontal - linear, scale-focused ideas
vertical - intervallic, chordtone focused ideas (e.g. arpeggios)

>>75102584
Modes are hardly worth talking about, you only get that "modular" feel if you're playing whatever modular tone you're thinking of over the root.

>>75102618
>>75102584
sorry pressed send too soon:

You can't just play a scale and call it a mode, it has to be coupled with the root note of the scale you're deriving the mode from. So yea, hardly worth talking about.

>>75102600
Never said I didn't love music. I didn't ask for your assumptions.

>>75102603
ah
its just simply visually horizontal (one string) and vertical (pentatonic shape)
.
ok
.
so whats the deal
playing vertically as you say is more advanced and sound more jazzy than blues-like simple scaley stuff

>>75102641
Someone who loved music wouldn't care if they were too old for some edgy fangirl club that means literally nothing. They would pick up the damn guitar and play it.

>>75102631
I think modes have their place just not really in jazz

Im in agreement with you I believe

>>75081043
Just harder to do, since i live with roommates who do different shifts throughout the week, and i'm not getting payed enough to buy bass lessons

>>75102774
Never had a lesson and also live with touchy roommates. Haven't had a single issue.

>>75102740
I'm trying to say modes aren't genre specific.

OKAY.

When you shift from tone to tone, you get a certain feeling. When you shift from chord to chord you get a certain feeling. Like going from a Major chord to it's relative minor.

All a mode is, is an extra tool in your arsenal to induce a desired feeling. If you want a creepy deceptive cadence, you use one of the less cathartic modes.

>>75102631
not him but i think you're being overly dismissive of the modal approach. for one, the thing you described is just one use, and you act like it's the only.

there's a lot of things you can do with modal substitutions and basing modal ideas on notes other than the roots. that last thing may seem especially weird to you, but its more about how it affects hoe the player is thinking than the actual relation to the "true" root.

>>75102686
yes very good son i am very proud

>>75102805
>yes very good son i am very proud
fuck you!

>>75102805
as I said >>75102801
Don't waste your time studying modes, start studying chords. If you study modes for any reason other than intervalic and harmonic relationships then you're doing it wrong.

Learning modes isn't so you can use modes like another scale, it's so you can better understand tonal relationships.

>>75100884
chromatic

>>75075086
C standard?

>>75102938
chords and chord tones were the focus of my playing for years. that's my intuitive approach to the fretboard and in many ways my ear.

i know exactly where you're coming from, and you will hit a wall if you think its the "superior" approach. you're boxing yourself in with that mentality.

>>75075086
melodize isn't a word, that and I don't even understand what you mean. I'm assuming you mean harmonize, which brings me to my next question....

A tuning that harmonizes with another tuning? Uhh, any tuning if you play the harmonic notes coupled with whatever else is being played?

>>75103150
Guess i'm biased, I used to focus on scales and modes, and arpeggio patterns for years and it made me plateau, I got no where until i started studying chords, and learning inversions rather than different scale positions, made huge progress after that.

>>75102800
>touchy
no, it's legitimately 4 dudes who work various shifts around the clock
also, tips on learning without a lesson
a bit of a premature question, considering i don't even have any musical equipment

>>75103201
sorry for keep saying this, but literally know exactly what that's like to. even where you are now will likely become restrictive in some sense.

for me, coming back to modes was very insightful and refreshing after spending so much time with chord-tone based playing, among other things. don't take "simple" ideas for granted.

why playing over chords instead of the key's scale isnt just playing the chord's 3 or 4 notes

i'm dumb

>>75103306
Given your story, at some point i might go back to studying scales and modes. But for now im making really really good progress, progress i haven't made in years.

>>75103334
reword it and i'll try to help you.

>>75103341
pls say how you got all that progress and how i can get it too
not going to read the whole thread

>>75103341
>>75103306
for context, I play almost exclusively chet atkins style solo fingerpicking. And classical.

that being said, please answer my question everyone passed by because of this heated discussion.
>>75102388

>>75103341
sweet, that's all i'm trying to convey, by all means do what works for you

>>75103362
I switched up my studying focus. I stopped studying scales and modes, and started studying chords and intervalic and harmonic relationships.

>>75103355
playing by chords. instead of playing tonally with a certain scale (vertically vs horizontally)

do you just play the chord notes and suffer trying to make it sound musical

>>75103390
whats the big change, dont you study intervals while studying scales

rate improvisation. been playing for 5 years
https://soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria/matchbox-blues

>>75103370
chet is one of my favorites, as is fingerstyle. do you know any of his arrangements? they're a good mix of simple shapes in tricky configurations that offer a lot to chew on.

>>75103429
>dont you study intervals while studying scales
Yes but with less context. A chord is a miniature song

>>75103476
wut

>>75103475

>>75103475

>>75103475

>>75103475

>>75103446
do you have fun doing it? If so then thats all that matters.

>>75103498
it doesnt matter