/dark/

Is there anything recent like the Drab Majesty record that came out this year? Really like that production style

helo were is the floofs ?

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>>75015096

can I be /dark/ if I don't like floof?

>>75015108
:-)

>>75015082
there's a new clan of xymox
>>75015096
the what now

>>75015116
No.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgVmpAk538

>>75015126
how good is it?

>>75015136
doot doot

what's your favorite siouxsie song? mine has got to be arabian knights

>>75015143
haven't given it a listen yet

>>75015165
night shift

what have you guys been listening to lately?

https://youtu.be/W3JuvTlxG4E
https://youtu.be/GSfA7d2uTHY
https://youtu.be/qxnW5RjJlEg

>>75015165
red over white

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4wC4LvA8T0

So who was it that ruined goth scene with insisting industrial and other nonrelated shit be included? Was it the burgers or the wursts?

Does somebody have Neofolk charts besides the one in the wiki?

>>75015252
burgers

>>75015195
The Ministry Trax! Box with all their early stuff on it, theres so much good stuff on there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwUTaoh9KJE

>>75015252
the Germans started with the industrial shit but the Americans ate that shit up (like they do with most things) and spat it out on to goth subculture. thus even more ate it up and ruined the scene for anyone who wasn't a massive faggot. Not to say that goths aren't fags.

>>75015268
So the Germans just followed suit with their weird "metal, industrial, goth and paganism are now all the same" culture?

>>75015270
hah! same here!

A lot of their demo stuff is actually better than most of With Sympathy.

>>75015165
I HEARD A RUMOR

>>75015284
>>75015278
>>75015252
nobody, a lot of goths did industrial and vice versa, the post-punk/new wave scene has always been pretty diverse

>>75015278
this >>75015278

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>>75015294
IT WAS JUST A RUMOR

>>75015299
I've never seen an industrial/experimental/ebm/power electronics/synthpop/neofolk band claim they were goth or actively champion the culture before the 00s and "cybergoth". Even now it's still rare.

Come to think of it, same with steampunk, it's apparently a goth genre now because... WGT?

>>75015325
If goths didn't try to incorporate different types of music to their scene, then the music aspect of it would have died out.

Finnish goth thing about a child being trapped in a house of mirrors
https://youtu.be/ORn1ZZSyn8Q

>>75015325
Because there was no need to.
You could start out as a goth rock band and then do some power electronics on the side or start out as a percussive industrial band and then go new wave or vice-versa and you could do neofolk and then recruit a singer who's associated with the goth scene.

The goth subculture was still fresh and there was already crossbreeding and genre shifting.

Goth, like autism, is a spectrum. With plenty of dimensions.

>>75015343
steampunk isn't music, it's a cosplay trend

>>75015351
:DDDD

>>75015325
Well Robert Smith called NIN and Marilyn Manson "goth bands" in the 90s even though they themselves only began acknowledging their goth influences in the 2000s.

So clearly people didn't wait for cybergoths to start assimilating the industrial and goth scenes

at the end of the day it's all just spooky post-punk, doesn't matter if it's played with guitars, synths, or trashcans.

>>75015309
siouxsie sioux more like siouxisie jew hahaha goteem

>>75015413
delet this

>>75015349
Would it tho? Cause right now it seems like actually admitting you're a goth leads to career suicide. Ice seen plenty of bands shift from the label or try to avoid it like the plague...

>>75015368
But EBM and goth were two very different subcultures at the beginning, and most bands didn't really shift their sound anywhere beyond what they were doing.

>>75015377
Yes, and apparently it's goth now, just like showing up in Victorian cosplay is somehow goth.

>>75015403
But what about the stuff that isn't spooky or post-punk and still labeled goth? All the experimental, noise, power electronics, ""dark"" breakcore... It just seems like everyone is showing bands there left and right with no reason.

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>>75015413

>>75015423
It's not the artists themselves who are toting around the goth moniker, it's the fans calling them goth. I imagine most newer artists wouldn't want to label themselves because it boxes them in and lowers their appeal to others.

>>75015423
>But EBM and goth were two very different subcultures at the beginning, and most bands didn't really shift their sound anywhere beyond what they were doing.
uh not really, they're both just spooky offshoots of New Wave. There's certainly a strain of EBM that's a lot more macho militaristic and whatnot but beside it, there's EBM like Bigod 20 that's closer to darkwave.
The line is pretty blurry and when you take into account the fact that hard trance was partially inspired by EBM, the whole electro-industrial harsh EBM aggrotech scene of the 2000s really isn't the abomination it's made up to be, it's clearly the result of trends that were already beginning 20 years before that.

Now as for specifically techno-derived genres that label themselves as "goth" like darkstep and dark breakcore and shit, it's clearly a case of normies trying to retroactively market their shit as a product of a subculture they don't actually know


as for power electronics, as I said it's just something that some early goth rock bands also happened to be into, so both scenes kind of ended up cohabitating even though the music itself is very different

>>75015436
ruffle ruffle

>>75015483
That's the problem, people just decided what's goth enough and what isn't completely at random. Why is Synapscape OK but Aphex Twin isn't? Etc etc

>>75015510
The sound may have been different, but the subculture was one. Old school EBM subculture wasn't goth and didn't really try to appeal to goths, you can still see it at places like Familientreffen or something. Even today, if you go to a Nitzer Ebb concert, youll see two completely different camps there.

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>Hey anon, want to read poetry and listen to Christian Death with me in the graveyard tonight?

>>75015736
sure

me and my friend wrote a whole poetry book while drunk it's real badass and it's got made-up words and stuff

>>75015736
pof pof

>>75015736
sure :)

w2cop smol trad goth gf?

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>>75015813
never ever

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Anyone heard this?

>>75016171
nop, it good?

>>75016308
Yeah, I think so. The band was made by a guy who was in the Virgin Prunes for a short time. Some nice synth-y goth rock.

https://youtu.be/lJe4FJ6qMDg?t=1785
More like this?

>>75015165
Overground

>>75016398
lycia - quiet moments

>>75015736
Change Christian Death with This Mortal Coil and it's a deal

>>75016171
>>75016308
>>75016356
I did. There is some interesting stuff, like Sloblands and The Fairest of Them All, the first stuff anyway. The rest it's pretty cheesy, not mad about it.
Then he did pretty serious chamber music/ ambient stuff using his real name.

She got a black shirt, black skirt...

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>>75016532
And clicking your fingers for a gothic twilight
That actually existed just in your head
Your fingernails painted black
Or bloodred
I forget

And your fake-leather volumes
Jabbering on hell
Manifest decadence was what you hoped to exhail
Your eyes tried so hard to glitter

A star-snuffing black
So you opened your books
And you opened your legs
And so opened your heart
And let in the badness
You claimed
As your friend
With un-angels hovering
Like flies round the orchard
That had covered your soul
Their empire increasing
And your country
Deserted by yourself

The bells of St. Mary call us to remember
That life is with end
And the gestures can kill us
Moreover destroy
And there is one jugdement only

Your letters came daily
In French or in German
But they meant to me nothing
I caught the slow cords
And dry ice fogging your mind
I see all too clearly now
Why you could be discarded
And though I could pray for you
I probably shan't
Having had my cup filled up
With your lies
And your makeup
You were nothing
Thinking you're something

And nonetheless I still write this gothic lovesong
A sign to myself
And the memory of my past
I still write this gothic lovesong
A sign to myself
And the memory of my past
And a way to shut out your face

>>75016670
You're out of your mind

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>>75016730
You quote Bilnk and I'm the one out of his mind. Sure.
I just replied to you with the most ironic song about dark trend. Thought you were doing the same.

>>75016803
You need something to live for.

How many recent deathrock bands are there that actually call themselves deathrock/goth? I can only think of Theurgist right now. Did the trend shift toward punk again?

>>75016841
I have plenty.

Does anyone know other recordings of early Thrill Kill Kult shows? All I find is stuff from 2014 or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v74_izUldBo

>>75016986
Only other tapes I've seen were from DNA in 2010

anyone has Madame Edwarda's first album in CD??

>>75016877
Slimy member
Savage blind god
Cemetery
Hairspray queen

Im sure theres more

>>75015165
This Unrest

What do you guys think of Velvet Condom? I been listening to two of their album (VC and Safe & Elegant) and I think they are pretty good.

Who can recommend some dreamy post-punk? Stuff like The Chameleons, The Wake, The Names

>>75018459
Sad Lovers & Giants, Soviet Soviet, Чepнaя peчкa, Бyepaк

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What does /dark/ think of this album? I know it's entry level, but I love the lyrics as well as the melodic-epic-dark style of the music. It's like a religion to me.

Also, is there any /dark/ approved music like this?

>>75018514
>Чepнaя peчкa
Where do I download their last albums, it says on discogs that the release is digital.

>>75019217
rutracker
it's a really good site, has a lot of underground stuff

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post rare post-punk

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>>75019301
falopero

>>75019301
Post rare links dammit

>>75018063
If you think of more, definitely post them. I've been out of the loop with the goth community so all I kbiw are the Portland gothied up hardcore bands.

>>75019241
Thanks anon, listening to their last two albums, they're fucking great.

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Not sure if this quite fits here, but it is one of my favorite albums. Messy, goth, heavy synths and distortion
"Suicidal Lesbian" by Wiicca:
https://wiicca.bandcamp.com/album/suicidal-lesbian

This is the best new goth synth-rock I've heard in a little while (more traditional of the genre):
https://allyoursistersmusic.bandcamp.com/album/uncomfortable-skin

I liked this too:
https://avantrecords.bandcamp.com/album/pleasure-symbols-pleasure-symbols

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Is this what prog-goth would sound like?

>>75020962

I listened to one of their albums and if it wasn't for the vocals I would have LOVED it

I can't stand that guy's voice. He's trying SO hard to be cool sounding and dramatic, but he sounds like a parody of himself

did they ever do anything instrumental? or is there anything like it that is instrumental?

>>75015368
autism isn't a spectrum like color, it's just how specifically retarded you are.

>>75021012
Nope. Also really depends on the album, since each of their albums is very different from the other ones.

>>75021012
>He's trying SO hard to be cool sounding and dramatic, but he sounds like a parody of himself
That describes almost all 80s gothic rock bands

>>75021048
Well desu I love FotN but I can understand someone finding them cheesy, although they're much less hardcheese sounding than The Mission or Nosferatu.

>>75021048
and electronic

>>75021037

I guess I'll have to check out the others

a highlight for me was "Last Exit for the Lost", but his voice just ruined it for me

>>75021048

Fair enough. I personally don't think this guy pulls it off, though.

https://youtu.be/SUBwepYMhYw

Have A Nice Life- The Unnatural World is a fantastic post punk gothic rock album and I think it's much better then their first album.

>>75021183

I love that album, but I prefer Deathconsciousness. Have you listened to Time of Land and Voids? There's some repeat tracks on Voids, but there are some unique tracks worth checking out

there's also a compilation of early demos
my fav track from it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIROM9aeGNQ

>>75021274
Time of Land is good haven't listened to voids I'll check it out