Foo Fighters Member Reveals What Next Kurt Cobain Needs To Destroy

Can anybody tell me even one thing that Nirvana did that was innovative in the slightest?

Did you just call me bro?

>>74893532
I like his music, but man he is such a douche when he talks about this stuff.

>>74893559
THey popularised grunge music and put an end to the glam rock scene.

>>74893559
Perfected the Seattle sound(Grunge) and made it popular, and killed glamshit and made rock be more about lyrics instead of shredding. Basically brought Rock back down to a level that it used to have, or never had at all.

>>74893559
Can you name me a band from before Nirvana that ACTUALLY sounds like Nirvana (i.e. not an edgy meme response that doesn't sound anything like Nirvana like Pixies, Beat Happening, or Wipers)

>implying rock doesn't lack a human feel these days
h*ck off

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shut the fuck up and drum, monkey.

>>74893560
yea, bro.

>>74893589
and even besides that, kurts ability to write hits is pretty much unmatched

>>74893587
>>74893588
How is grunge any different than punk?

>>74893589
The Ramones

I agree with his basic points although he does sound kind of douchebaggy in the way he says them and he's still kind of stuck in the 80s with his hate of synthesizers.

>>74893588
>>74893587
>>74893633
Also

Getting popular =/= innovative

>>74893589
>name a band that sounds like Nirvana
>those other bands that sound like nirvana dont count

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>>74893606
>human feel
The same criticism comes in for every type of music. There's no 'human feel' in little black notes. The 'human feel' comes from the human's response to the music. He literally doesn't get it dad, unless he thinks EDM listeners are all robots programmed to not buy Foo Farters CDs.

>>74893654
>>74893559
>innovative
Who cares?

>>74893665
They don't sound like Nirvana though. They were just cited by Kurt as influences.

>>74893665
>they both have guitars and drums?
>then they sound alike
Stop

>>74893589
mudhoney, early soundgarden

come on son read a book

>>74893701
Less poppy, lacked similar vocal style.

>>74893634
Punk is faster and is about cramming in as much angry lyrics as possible inside a relatively short song, Grunge is a bit slower with focus on moody and nihilistic lyrics and lots of distortion.

Punk is pure raw form of rock and roll, while Grunge has some metal ,classic and hardcore influences. Basically, if Punk were to rebel against punk, we'd get Grunge.

>>74893570
Less of a douche, more of retard

Do people really think Grohl said this?

You idiots want any excuse to hate him I suppose

>>74893654
yeah but writing catchy songs is still a rare talent

>>74893570
>>74893717
Why?

>>74893731
Not to mention a completely subjective and arbitrary one

Punk is also just power chords and rarely a solo. Grunge has clearly defined riffs although Cobain always insisted that "alternative" rock wasn't supposed to have solos.

There's some exceptions of course like Black Flag--Rise Above which has riffs and a solo because it was the lead single from the album and needed to be more commercial, but generally speaking, punk=high speed power chords with >3:00 run time.

>>74893647

>80s
>hate of synthesizers

WEW
E
W

>>74893589
Wipers sound a lot like Nirvana, except Greg Sage wasn't quite the vocalist Kurt was and they were not mainstream popular in the slightest. Nirvana was pretty much the first band to sound like that that did get widespread mainstream attention, and that is what is important.

>>74893559
The specific combination of heavy drums, melodic bass, pop hooks, dissonant guitars, Lomax-era bluesman vocals and ambiguous lyrics

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>>74893744
>>>Punk is also just power chords and rarely a solo

>hasn't listened to dead kennedys
>hasn't listened to meat puppets
>hasn't listened to bad brains
>hasn't listened to minutemen
>hasn't listened to husker du
>hasn't listened to butthole surfers


buddy where the fuck do you get off

>the vocalists don't sound exactly the same so the bands are completely different
rock fans lol

>>74893744
solos are the cancer that killed rock

If rock is going to have a resurgence, what do you think it will sound like? Will it be aggressive and loud like grunge?

>>74893749
Wow, you clearly know nothing about rock fans back then. Those guys hated the piss out of synthesizers, Queen even had disclaimers on their albums "No synths were used in the making of this record". Bands like Depeche Mode were made out to be Lucifer by rockists.

KISS's Animalize album was so-called because Paul Stanley said "Too much music these days is made with computers. I wanted to make a point about how making music by pressing buttons is no fun."

>>74893773

don't fucking post Matt LeBlanc here

>>74893783
no its going to be like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4MNvl72z6g
or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3h9p_c5-M

mark my words.

>>74893786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM

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>>74893705
>Less poppy,
mudhoney was hella poppy what are you talking about

> lacked similar vocal style
well yeah they weren't EXACTLY nirvana come on dude

>>74893786

i'm sure that rock purists even today feel the same way.

[spoiler]you're not a rocker huney[/spoiler]

>>74893805
>mudhoney was hella poppy what are you talking about
*after* Nirvana, sure.
>well yeah they weren't EXACTLY nirvana come on dude
There you go. What's the problem?

>>74893800
you literally posted the most poppy sounding classic rock. congrats for proving his point
>>74893808
hello newfag

>>74893799
I'd be fine with this, I won't even be mad.

>>74893800
>cherry pick one song designed for maximum commerciality
>when DLR got into arguments over their direction at the time because he wanted to do straight rawk with only guitars and drums

>subgenres are defined based only on lyrical content
rock fans lol

>>74893589
>name some bands that sound like Nirvana
>except these bands that sound like Nirvana

>>74893773
>hasn't listened to dead kennedys
I've heard California Uber Alles, I'm well aware it had riffs because it was the lead single and had to be more commercial.

>>74893815
>congrats for proving his point
I guess you didn't hear the synthesizers
>>74893820
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/r3zw83/synthesizers-impact-heavy-metal
Please learn about music before discussing it

>>74893822
>subgenres are defined by BPMs
kek

>>74893718
Taylor Hawkins (drummer) said this

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>>74893783
it's already having a resurgence.
punk's the best it's been in years, the diy international scene is really revving up (especially considering how in bandcamp any asshole can post their shit)

psychedelic rock and acid rock is MASSIVE todays, and a lot of it is composed in ways that is pretty different from the "blues jam with surrealist lyrics" formula of the 60s

noise rock, garage rock, kids slamming guitars is in vogue again. post-punk is integrating a lot of noise creating a more modern animal.

i mean shit, rock is doing much better than it was in the 2000s, where for every half-way decent rock album you had to wade through a mile of oh-so-pretty effete indie pop/baroque pop

personally i think rock has enormously benefited from not being in the spotlight this last decade

>>74893793
i do what a want

>>74893799
Felt is a great band and Dick Dale is a great artist. This would be pretty great.

>>74893818
same
felt is underrated imho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUZf0SFDvA

>>74893786
Wasn't it standard practice for New Wave bands to have synths?

>>74893849
With a pic of Grohl in OP

>>74893848
Ooh good one
>subgenres are defined by BPMs
rock fans lol

>>74893587
For that reason, they should be shunned

For a long time I had this theory: the impossibility of a female Kurt Cobain. What he represents, leaning against the system and yet supported by consumers, there was no woman in the world that could command the masses so utterly. The music industry wouldn't let her. This thing I've been stewing about since I saw Grimes play to 20 people in 2011, and started reading her Tumblr, and then really starting feeling when "Oblivion" came out, is that Claire is the closest thing we have to a female Kurt Cobain, smart enough to understand the system but righteous enough to wall-jump away from it. But also, interestingly, what an inversion her approach is to Kurt's. His pose was anti-establishment, her pose is post-structural. He was rigorous, she is always looking outward, game for genre-experimentation and hilarity. I feel like even if I don't like her music, and I do so far, I will always feel like she's several steps ahead of me, several books ahead of me, and that makes me feel really fucking good. Anyone who gives her grief about anything can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned.

>>74893856
I'm not disputing that there's no good bands out there, problem is major record labels ain't signing 'em. When and if they'll start signing rock groups again is anyone's guess.

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>>74893840
nigga you trollin or something how about you pop open one of their fuckin albums and then let me know come on man you dumb or just pretending to be

>>74893871
>>subgenres are defined by BPMs
>rock fans lol
Not really. Lots of rock bands that work in one subgenre will have songs in varying BPMs. Nirvana, for instance, did.

>subgenres are defined by how much distortion is used
rock fans lol

>>74893856

>i do what a want

why you little ...

>Kurt Cobain changed glam shit into authentic rock music
>next Kurt Cobain needs to change EDM into authentic rock music

How about the next Kurt Cobain changes EDM into authentic electronic music instead?

>>74893867
Yeah, OP is being clickbait

>>74893902
>authentic electronic music

>>74893886
Lol no shit, that's my whole point

Tell it to this guy
>>74893707

>>74893865
Different audience and they were always more poppy to begin with. When I say "rock", I meant meathead rock like AC/DC, Judas Priest, and Van Halen, and all of their fans back in the day loathed synthesizers.

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>>74893856
Wow, this is actually pretty good news.

>>74893882
who gives a shit about major labels major labels have done nothing but ruin bands since the 70s

the whole point of the second half of rock's history (80s onwards) was to move away from the major labels

hell you get picked up by a major label you end up sounding like arctic monkeys or royal blood or some other overproduced teen girl in a leather jacket bullshit outfit

if you're talking about exposure, sure rock isn't as big as it used to be (although you'll always have one or two indie kingpins, like tame impala or mac demarco, or to a lesser extent bands like iceage were in their hayday) but it's basically like it was in the 80s: the mainstage stuff is pretty fuckin bland and you have to go to put in the effort of tracking down good music to see the scene.

and the scene is fucking thriving.

>>74893882
never
its too expensive atm and most likely will never gain them a profit.

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RIP Rock n Roll

>>74893882
>>74893856
Dee Snider said there's lots of great young bands out there if you know where to look and he called out Gene Simmons for being a faggot and claiming rock is dead.

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>>74893927
>who gives a shit about major labels major labels have done nothing but ruin bands since the 70s

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>>74893882
>problem is major record labels ain't signing 'em
I always wondered it, why is that? Is there some strict rule that the person needs to strictly do pop/hiphop music and be a one person band to be signed on? Does the band need to have an already enormous following(which is almost impossible nowadays)?

>>74893927
This guy knows whats up

>>74893964
Too risky. Labels only care about money and aren't going to waste money and time on an artist with questionable success.

>>74893964
1. less marketable
2. easier to create/manufacture
3. thus easier to control

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>>74893964

I'm not sure how much economics has to do with anything because it can't be cheap to set up Ariana Grande's stage shows.

>>74893995
Then you can charge more with ticket prices

>>74893589

Uh, yeah
Nirvana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8a47QOp10o

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>>74893963
haha ok

>>74893963
>>74893964
both of u guys should watch this video of how major labels fuck ppl over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Z6fzbazJY
they only want profit from their bands.

with hip hop/pop. you only need the artist and you can buy beats from producers. rest goes to the audio engineers.
edm is even easier.
with rock you need to pay 4-5 guys, hire a producer and sometimes even songwriter because the label might not be confident in them to make a hit.

There are some times when you have to question record label decisions, for example Ke$ha is a pretty good guitarist but they wouldn't let her play guitar on Animal because they claimed nobody wants guitar music anymore--it was given a purely pop production. But she played guitar on the album tour and it was fine, nobody cared one way or another.

>>74893570
Yeah but sometimes he does have a point...sometimes

>>74893964
for the same reason major labels stopped signing jazz bands in the 60s

it went out of style and something else took its place

>>74894077
Jazz stopped being poppy and danceable in the 50s-60s, something else had to replace it.

>>74893589
squirrel bait

>>74894077
There's lots of guitar bands out there, just not on big labels.

I know funk died out for economic reasons, it's why you don't see those big 9 piece bands like EW&F anymore.

>>74893878
WHEN I WAS AN ALIEN

>>74894146
CULTURES WEREN'T OPINIONS

>>74893856
I want to believe.

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>>74893902
>authentic electronic music
>authentic
>electronic

>>74893932
CRANBERRY SAUCE

>>74894018
This is kinda what I heard as well. Artist nowadays get more money by modelling and shilling for some product instead of making their own music now.

>>74893587
In other words they paved the way for alternative bands to become billboard top 20 bands effectively destroying the niche music scene they were apart of. Then Kurt Cobain killed himself.

also a big reason why lots of rock bands haven't broken thru is a lack of personality that normies can't role model off.

if you're not being uber nice and have some taste of fashion like mac demarco you can forget it.
rock fans wouldn't handle somebody like a burial who just released music and doesn't do any interviews or live shows.

with rock your politics better be left wing and if any bad shit happens like the transgender ban. your band better start donating any funds to it or your fans might accuse you of being a bigot. similar to what car seat headrest does

>>74893902
So...like if some second wave industrial group of Skinny Puppy and Front Line Assembly gets big?

...okay.

>>74893589
Mudhoney
Flipper
Melvins

>>74893559
>innovative
You're the kind of person who listen to random noise music and think it's innovative.

He is definitely right about the cyclical part

blues inspired rock (human) > psychedelic rock (less human) > progressive rock (least human) > punk (human) > post-punk > new wave > synthpop > grunge > alternative rock/pop rock > dance/bubblegum pop > ?

>>74893532
*makes generic safe rock music*

>>74894419
Yes but Dave "Mr. Nicest Guy In Rock" Grohl is part of the problem, not the solution.

>>74894534
how is psych rock less human????
its more human than blues inspired rock

>>74894546
I don't get this meme. What does Dave have anything to do with the state of rock now? There were so many rockstars like Dave back then who thought that rock needed to stay in the 50s style, yet that never stopped grunge and metal from emerging.

>>74894565
more effects and production tweaking, more abstract and distant lyrics, more electric instruments. Generally speaking hallucinogen use makes people distant and airy, the music is the same way

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>Pete Wentz makes a rockist rant at Reading 2013 early in the day
>Reznor goes on stage later that evening
>"By the way: Fuck rock and roll."

>>74894582
we didn't have the internet.

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>>74894419
>rock fans wouldn't handle somebody like a burial who just released music and doesn't do any interviews or live shows.
the plebbiest thing i've read in a while

normies are less into rock music because it's less available because labels deemed it unfashionable due to changing trends 15 years ago.

disco became unfashionable, new wave became unfashionable, shit this isn't the first time this happens.

>>74894121
i know that's my point exactly

>>74894254
baby you better believe

>>74894591
>normies are less into rock music because it's less available because labels deemed it unfashionable due to changing trends 15 years ago.
are you retarded?
400m normies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOSxM0rNPM love the shit out of this "rock" band. its all about personality and looks for rock music.
nobody like burial would ever have a career like in rock. look at fucking buckethead

>>74893675
>pseud bullshit

>>74894587
News papers and headlines were the internet of back than, and it had the same effect.

>>74894585
>Generally speaking hallucinogen use makes people distant and airy, the music is the same way
but thats humanity in its purest form

>>74894617
>and it had the same effect.
no it didn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRXJXaLV0n4
retards literally watch cat videos all day thx to the internet.

I saw Foo Fighters once and...the shit was about as tired, predictable, and dadrock-y as it gets. Just boring, tired arena rock cliches with every member of the band playing extended length solos.

>>74893933
Gene Simmons is just pissed off that his kind of rock is dead. No shit a young band of today isn't going to look or sound like fucking AC/DC. They were a product of their time.

>>74894685
>No shit a young band of today isn't going to look or sound like fucking AC/DC
This is a good thing though.

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>>74894608
>there have never been mysterious bands that gave really elusive interviews/didnt give interviews

buddy ok arctic monkeys i'll give you that one, but you do realize arctic monkeys are pretty much THE only giant rock band left? (and that everyone older than 16 can see right through the pompadour aesthetic?)
i get it man, the "rockstar" status doesn't exist since the 2000s, with the strokes, the libertines and to a lesser extent at the time, the arctic monkeys making headlines. but it wasn't because their stories and personalities were unique, it was because they were scrutinized because they were popular. actors aren't actually super human personalities composed entirely of charm, wit and allure, they're just fucking people and we project those desires upon them because they're on the spotlight.

and that was it, outside of a handful of NME dickriders, rock music just isn't that popular anymore. so no more rockstar personalities.

the whole point is, without the gossip mags to write about the music, there are no perceived rock stars. and the gossip mags have their hands full with hip hop artists today.

on top of that your only example is buckethead?call me when you pass high school

>>74894833
>but you do realize arctic monkeys are pretty much THE only giant rock band left?

nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wtfhZwyrcc
try again grandpa

>>74893532
The next Cobain will be illiterate only illiteracy will prevail

>>74894866
>nit-picking
all right fair enough, but my point still stands

>>74893589
Unsane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t13p-e5J2A

If tomorrow there was an EMP and all your computers were destroyed, and you could no longer make music as a result, you're not a musician, you just play video games

>>74894649
Some of there songs are ok, but yea they're pretty fucking generic that it almost hurts listening to them.

>>74895021
damn...

>complaining about the music other people like

>>74895021
you realize that would destroy amps also right?

>>74895053
>EDM
>music

>>74895085
>forces everyone to play guitar or drums
>kids take a new found interest in rock, jazz
China EMP nuke when?

>>74895085
Amplifiers, pickups, microphones etc can be far simpler than a microcomputer and are much less vulnerable to EMPs. But even then, you could play acoustic. You can't play "unplugged" macbook, except maybe percussion : ^ )

>>74893559
Its frontman was one of the first band members to off himself with a gun

>>74895141
emp would kill off synthesizers also. and forget about albums. how are you going to record without studio equipment?
you also realize bedroom rock musicians record into daw's right?
guess classical could make a comeback

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>>74895155
*blocks your path*

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I feel like since high speed internet got popular, some people perceive everything before that point as authentic. The more years you go back, more authentic it gets (grunge is seen as 'the last true movement' and early-2000s garage as the last breath or something.

Well, that old world is dead and is never going to come back again, unless internet and everything else that came with it just dies all of a sudden, and even then it wouldn't be the same thing.

Just accept it, let it go. The future is full of possibilities. I think because "we"(i'm 26) caught the last breath of rock in the 90s and early-00s (and this gets bigger the further you go) it's easy to want that peak to come back again and everything will be okay as it once were. Nirvana was the biggest band in the world, this is unthinkable in 2017.

But it's just different, If you feel like rock has lost its edge and innovation, there's a lot of interesting things going on in other genres right now. Just open your head or you'll become "old man yells at cloud"

>>74895204
>Just open your head
>force yourself to like it until you do, you goy
yea, nah.

>>74895204
>implying "if you don't like what I like you're just a luddite" isn't just as smug and retarded as anything else itt

The difference is nobody is declaring that your genre is dead when it's not.

>>74895329
Don't force it, just try to understand how it works without judging, it's not hard. Most of the times you're just expecting something that won't come, such as a big chorus. But the kicks come from other places.

>>74895396
I mean, it's smug but there's a reason, and no one adressed it before itt. I'm confused by this lel just say it directly instead of going round and round

>>74895021
If tomorrow the weather was really humid all your guitars would break

Checkmate guitarists

>>74893744
Discharge is great

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>>74893532

rock has died in the 90's
it has evolved to electronic music
stop pushing rock to be mainstream again!

THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

>>74893532
>What does the next Kurt Cobain need to destroy?
Your mom's pussy.

>>74897420
this

>>74897420
nice

>>74896442
Something to consider.
Back when it first originated in the 50s and 60s, rock'n'roll was primarily dancehall music. Which is to say that rock music originally had a social function: background music for dancing. A social function that it has long since given up to styles like disco, new wave, and currently EDM because of rock musicians getting bored with conventions and overdeveloping rock as a style into things which are no longer dance friendly (eg. obscure/changing time signatures.) Rock's demise is both a logical progression and its own fault.

>>74895021
>tfw you're an amateur guitarist turned electronic musician who currently makes a steady living singing classical opera (usually unamplified over entire orchestras and the like)
All I can say is - good luck, guys.

>>74893532
>“To me, the things I don’t love about EDM and pop music is the lack of human feel. I get sad to think that the human feel of music is going to be gone from the mainstream and it’s all just going to be sort of this clicking and popping of computers with Auto-Tuned vocals. To me, that sounds so depressing,” he says.
Well, he's not wrong.

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>>74893589
>Pixies don't sound anything like Nirvana

>>74897615
Show me a Nirvana song in Spanish

>>74897609
>Well, he's not wrong.
He's been flat-out wrong for at least 5-10 years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G69vjVxARrY

>>74893613
Reznor always looks like he's about to lose his patience with whatever's going on.

>>74897762
Except that's not Pop or EDM

nice try though

>>74898250
>Except that's not Pop or EDM
It's a type of electronic instrument - you can use it for whatever style of music you want. Eg. it's traditional keyboard style counterpart the Roli Seaboard has been making inroads in the /mu/core realm for years:
https://roli.com/stories/roli-playlist-spotify

>>74898403
* /mu/core pop/rap//EDM realm for years...

>>74893532
Reddit: the musician

>>74893532
rock is just a conduit for the desire for a significant socio-cultural shift. kurt cobain and jimi hendrix probably wouldn't have died at 27 were they statesmen and would've made more of an impact. obviously hendrix would've just been called a nigger all the way out of the office in his time but still.
conclusion is that dave grohl is a rich naive fucktard, i love guitar music though

His band fucking sucks and he hated being in Nirvana because he was not the center of attention.

>>74898600
He's just using it to live out his rock star fantasies.

>>74898403
>It's a type of electronic instrument
That's not what we are talking about though

>>74898600
He wasn't in Nirvana though

>>74898881
It IS what he is talking about. That's how you get a "human feel" in electronic music: by using organic controllers. Actually watch the video linked in >>74897762 - that's what the guy is talking about. NOT about any specific music styles.

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>>74893786
>"making music by pressing buttons is no fun."

The cornerstone interface of Western music going back to basically the invention of polyphonic music is literally pressing buttons.

>>74893683
Kurt said that when he was making Smells Like Teen Spirit that he was just ripping of The Pixies.

>>74893532
>To me, that sounds so depressing
To me, old men forgetting how to appreciate new things is depressing.

He gets scared and reacts defensively just because something deviates from the patterns his brain latched onto when it was still actually flexible enough to enjoy novelty.
Its genuinely scary to think that we'll all get like that as we age :'((

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electronic music haters are the worst, and they are very prevalent in the rock/metal scene, because they are stuck in the past

what is unhuman about electronic music? it was made on a human-made device by a human, i will agree pop music is pretty hollow because most of it is produced by like, two big companies, so things do tend to get a bit samey

but fuck, if you can appreciate electronic music then you will agree that it conveys far more emotion than instrumental, because of the infinite possibilities

He doesn't know how to use an electronic device that's why he's so frustated.

It's not about doing something different at this point, everything has already been done. Nirvana exploded because they essentially killed poppy glam rock. To be completely honest, the next "kurt cobain" won't be from rock, it'll probably be from rap, or possibly even pop. Someone that breaks the status quo or marketable advertisement singers or trap rap superstars.

>>74899494
>It's not about doing something different at this point, everything has already been done.
Everything of what has been done?
>Nirvana exploded because they essentially killed poppy glam rock
This is a meme and not true btw.

>>74899421
The development of electronic sound synthesis has given us complete control of timbre for literally the first time in all of history. To me its so obviously the most exciting development in music that there's ever been. I don't understand how someone could not be totally enthralled by it.

Its like saying space travel is lame cause you loose the "expressiveness" of the steering wheel.

>>74899548
precisely, they cant get with the times at all

sure, some electronic music isn't great, but some of instrumental music isn't great either, like foo fighters

>>74899494
>everything has already been done

http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/
Spend 3 minutes spinning knobs in this program and you will have created a sound that's never been heard on earth before.

If you know what you're doing you can play with the LFOs for 30 seconds and you will have created a beat that's never been heard on earth before.

Not saying it'll sound good every time, but there's still an infinite amount of "things" to be done in music.

>>74899065
Oh is that instrument played in all of Pop and EDM?

>>74899621
>Spend 3 minutes spinning knobs in this program and you will have created a sound that's never been heard on earth before.
That doesn't make it good though

>>74899871
Did you even make it to the end of the post you're replying to?

>>74899603
99% of electronic music is dogshit but i'd listen to it if i was high on ectasy and pounding some whore

>>74899463
Most Foo Fighters albums were recorded digitally though

>the human feel of music is going to be gone from the mainstream and it’s all just going to be sort of this clicking and popping of computers with Auto-Tuned vocals.

Well 808s was pretty much it and was a very human album. This rockists dudes needs to get over themselves and their "muh true music" complex.

>>74899890
Was it relevant?

>>74899932
>Well 808s was pretty much it and was a very human album.
It was also awful

>>74893587

I would say Guns N' Roses and heavy metal bands like that ended glam rock, grunge ended them and moved heavy music from a bad-boy/biker image to a depressed suburban kid image

>>74897420
Damn

>>74893634
More chords, more musical complexity, less shit vocals, more substantial lyrical content, slightly less ridiculous aesthetic

>>74899951
Why would I have responded if I didn't think it was?

>>74893744
Doesn't Come As You Are have a solo?

>>74900335
It did? I always thought Nirvana/Grunge songs ""solo's"" were just lazy guitar riffs like REEEEYYYYYYYYWAAAAWAWWAWAWAWAWAAAAAAEEEEEE

ou have 10 seconds to name a rock band from the last 25 years that is both critically acclaimed and culturally relevant. Please note that commercial success is not synonymous with cultural relevance.

Impossible Mode: No Nirvana.

Oh wait, you can't.

R.I.P Rock

Please note:
>The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys, Queens of the Stone Age, The Mars Volta, Franz Ferdinand, The Smashing Pumpkins, Oasis, Bloc Party, The Libertines, Blur, Pulp, Suede, and Interpol are not culturally relevant, all of them are fad artists associated with a certain 3-5 year timespan with no real longevity or standing cultural relevancy. You're not going to hear their music being played at a high school dance or have a large number of normies sharing them on Facebook the way you would a contemporary hip hop artist like Drake or Kendrick Lamar
>Jack White is not a culturally relevant artist. Seven Nation Army may be a culturally relevant track but having only one culturally relevant track indicates a lack of longevity and thus a lack of cultural relevance as artists.
>Radiohead's praise comes from the fact that they "destroyed" rock music and became a primarily electronic act. Their success is evident of rock's death, not continued relevance.
>Muse, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, Tool, Kings of Leon, The Black Keys, Pearl Jam, Green Day, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Blink-182, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Mumford & Sons, and Red Hot Chili Peppers are not critically acclaimed.
>King Gizzard, The Flaming Lips, Sufjan Stevens, Tame Impala, The National, The Hold Steady, Dinosaur Jr, Deerhunter, Mac DeMarco, Porcupine Tree, Beach House, Ween, Titus Andronicus, Bon Iver, Pixies, Spoon, Pavement and Modest Mouse are far too niche to be considered culturally relevant.
>Metal has not been culturally relevant since the 80s.
>R.E.M., Bruce Springsteen, and U2 have not been critically acclaimed in the last 25 years.
>LCD Soundsystem, Twenty One Pilots and Arcade Fire are not rock bands

>>74900455
Neutral milk hotel?

Not played at normie parties but it does meet the critically acclaimed and culturally relevant categories

>>74900455
>this "name a famous band from the last 25 without naming these famous bands from the last 25 years" pasta again.

>>74893587
They killed popular 80's music in general
:okhandsign:

>>74893532
Foo Fighters == Sellout PopRock

>>74900455
Nine Inch Nails

>>74899548

Live rock acts have a bunch of guys pyrotechnics and action on stage

EDM has some skinny cancer looking fuck playing with his mixing deck almost out of sight

Bring back rock!
or at the least, merge the two like NIN

>>74900455
highly suspect

>>74900455
kaleo

>>74893633
I assume you mean compared to grunge bands and not in general, because that would be the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

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guitar driven bands are a mistake

What year will rock have the resurgence? I think it's going to come pretty soon, likely in the turn of the century.

>>74901802
While his lyrics in both Bleach and Nevermind made no sense, you have to admit they were perfectly constructed and fit well with the music. He's not "unmatched" like that other anon said, but he is definitely is good.

>>74901853
Funny to use a picture of a musician whose incorporation of guitars led to a downward spiral of his quality, which mirrored his complete career copy of another musician whose quality also deteriorated as they incorporated guitars.

>>74893532
Dave Grohl is a bad guy but damn is he dumb sometimes.

>>74901902
Not sure, anon, but I hope it's soon.

>>74902267
isn't a bad guy*

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>DUDE REAL MUSIC IS ONLY GUITARS AND NOTHING ELSE

The most insufferable musicians are the ones who think of music in terms of """riffs""", just like how hip hoppers dismissively refer to music as """the beat"""

>>74901902
When indie rock turned pop turns to back to their roots or their fans finally feel embarrassed for hanging on

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>>74900455
>Radiohead became primarily a electronic act
Every time

>>74893589
Unironically pixies

Kurt and EDM are one and the same. Both consumed by the masses due to their cultural relevance

>>74900294
Because you need misdirection?

>>74902506
This, they are music for plebs regardless of how good they actually are. The "human" aspect has nothing to do with it, they just sound cool to normies.

>>74902267
How so?

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>post yfw Industrial Rock makes a comeback

Who cares about genre revivals? If rock becomes nothing but revivals of genres that have faded from popularity then it won't go anywhere.

What new genres of rock have been made in the past 10 years?

>>74900454
Maybe, they're not fast or anything, but I'd call from 2:01 to 2:34 a solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabnZ9-ex7o

>>74900455
You didn't mention Weezer. Did I answer the riddle?

>>74904743
It's not recognized as a new genre, but whatever you can call Imagine Dragons, Twenty One Pilots, AWOLNATION, and the like.

>>74904821
That's kinda what I meant. They're covered in distortion, slow, and stretched out. They're great, but don't compare to the real solos you see in most 80s bands.

>>74901690
this

>>74902404
Explain.

>>74893559
https://youtu.be/9XpYIjnaKks

>>74897420
REKT

>>74900455

Kek I never tire of seing this pasta and the endless amount of butthurt it generate among rockists.

With that said, what about Wheezer man ? For some reason they keep being referenced in thinkpieces.

>>74901708
Why do you think that ? They seem extremly niche

>>74904743
Only "black shoegaze" it seems?

>>74893559
90s grunge/alt-rock was incredibly reactionary. The 80s was the peak of black/homosexual representation in pop music and they had a HUGE problem with it. To them, this wasn't "real music" because it didn't deal with white insecurity. It was basically the alt-right of music and nobody should miss it.

>>74900455
My Bloody Valentine

Loveless isn't 25 years old yet

>>74909340
Yes it is. Released 1991.
2017 - 1991 = 26
It's actually going on 26 this year.

>>74900455
Dude the killers

>>74909381
Loveless: November 4, 1991
Present Day: September 2nd 2017

>>74909381
>>74909743
fuck i didnt read the third line of your post im baked
you know

>>74909753
dude weed

>>74893532
LISTEN TO DRUM AND BASS YOU FUCKHEAD


THE NEXT KURT WILL BE THE NEXT GOLDIE

>>74899548
Its exciting to create new sounds, but if it isn't fun to watch live. Almost every DJ/EDM artist I've ever seen live has been a fucking snooze fest and everyone at these events is more about the drugs then the actual music.

>>74900455
Metal doesn't give a shit about rock.

>>74908781
Go to bed, Christgau.

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>>74893532
>“To me, the things I don’t love about EDM and pop music is the lack of human feel
Wasn't this the entire point of Random Access Memories? Aren't there multiple songs about bringing humanity to electronic music?
Don't tell me that Dave never stepped outside his comfort zone to listen to it.

>>74912451
>Don't tell me that Dave never stepped outside his comfort zone to listen to it

Since he only likes entry level classic rock, Imma go with no, he hasn't.

>>74893532
>What does the next Kurt Cobain need to destroy?
himself, desu

>>74893589
"Can you name me a band from before Nirvana that ACTUALLY sounds like Nirvana" *Proceeds to ban retorts that accurately disprove his point* also, the melvins

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https://youtu.be/dUb69RIqfO8

>>74893587
>THey popularised grunge
Their label did, they could do it with another band if nirvana members killed themselfs before being hirred

>>74894018
>they only want profit from their bands.

If mainstream music was about profit, they would make music for adults that have jobs and have freedom at how they will spend their money, not kids and teenager music that depends at their parents willing to give them money.

>>74895021
>If tomorrow there was an EMP and all your computers were destroyed, and you could no longer make music as a result, you're not a musician, you just play video games

Do you know this would rule out non live music right?

Unless you invent some non electric way to record your music to vinyl.

You would also need to sing without mics, well thats is not a huge problem, since you can just write instrumental music. If you want to talk with someone send them a letter or something

>>74899494
>It's not about doing something different at this point, everything has already been done.


1- Get a music genre
2-List down all their characteristics
3-Invert the characteristics (slow become fast, fast become slow, soft become hard...., complex becofe simple)....
4-Make music with stuff from step 3
another one
1-Get a genre fron other art type like painting, sculpture, books, movies....
2-List down those characteristics
3-Convert them to music characteristics, using logic, musical theory skills and skills at the other art type.
4-Make music that has ALL characteristics of step 3


some of those will result in completely unique stuff

>>74893532
As much as I love Nirvana and Cobain, I hate this concept of "the next Kurt Cobain"
For fuck's sake, let musicians be themselves instead of trying to be Cobain

This is exactly why everything went to shit after Nirvana, because everyone tried to be the new Kurt Cobain and failed miserably

nirvana were just a pop punk band. the closest things to real punk in the last 20 years are t.A.T.u. and die antwoord.

>>74914861
>If mainstream music was about profit, they would make music for adults that have jobs and have freedom at how they will spend their money
Adult contemporary garbage like Celine Dion made infinitely more money than your favorite metal band did.

>>74893532
Is rock supposed to be some be all end all of music or something? There was plenty of music before rock. Also whats the point of making new rock music its all the same shit.

>>74915254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIB8HEmnoY

>>74914804
I love this version of Drain You.

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>>74915254
>die antwoord
>implying that GLOSS doesn't trigger half the world

>>74915641

>he thinks punk was about the music

LOL

>>74914804
Who's that Mariachi guitarist on stage with them?

>>74908706
>among rockists.
What a fucking faggot. The pasta literally says to name one famous band except these bands I'm naming which were big and made an impact.

>>74915748
Pat Smear