/classical/

KEYBOARD MUSIC
https://youtu.be/am6KCVPuo8A

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ2qotTQl4Y
Red hot passionate sex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1QjOjGMhns

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sw1xXnU73w

>>74831541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g2kdYdSX00

Finnissy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sMVrmnufPo

Forqueray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKT76GWaN_w

>>74831562
I'm sure Bach would be proud but Gould's playing almost never hits the ear right.

So I came across an orchestral cover of an MBV song and one comment said
>Fine - but needs the feedback from the record (which can be kinda created in classical music (stravinsky)) - this version only contains the melody
My question is, which Stravinsky piece is he talking about?

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>>74829672
I downloaded this in FLAC

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67221/4

this too

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67476/7


Here's some other stuff I have an can enjoy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No0lO2gVN8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYHPb8J7N8U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLzC9WY9KNk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPFv7FyuSlI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1b-Q_W24kw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5SnQpQtlqU

>>74832318
concerto for four guitar amplifiers + pedal feedback

"The right measure will be attained if students of music stop short of the arts which are practiced in professional contests, and do not seek to acquire those fantastic marvels of execution which are now the fashion in such contests, and from these have passed into education. Let the young practice even such music as we have prescribed, only until they are able to feel delight in noble melodies and rhythms, and not merely in that common part of music in which every slave or child and even some animals find pleasure." Aristotle, On Politics

Liszt and Paganini BTFO

>>74829672
who is this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udClrQtmws

>>74833624
Quite literally why I listen exclusively to Mozart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kui5OuWDy_Y

>>74835356
>Arabesque no. 1
>on classical guitar

Not bad, I prefer the sustain of the piano for this piece though. The guitar does make some of the melodies pop a little more than the piano does though

Rick Beato seems to suggest here the Locrian mode is in fact "major". Is he right? I can think of several reasons why its a minor mode due to its lack of any stability and being the inversion of Lydian. The piece he made at the end definitely sounds majorish though I can't vouch for its adherence to Locrianisms.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQr3rVZjAEI

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>listening to more than one piece from WTC or AotF in a row
shiggy

>>74836077
Also would it be an appropriate Locrian cadence to use a dim add 6? I am trying to write something in Locrian as a challenge.

>>74836695
Schubert songs are the perfect thing to interleave between WTC preludes and fugues. Paganini caprices also work well. Allows some interesting contrasts.

>>74836708
how the fuck is that a cadence?

Grieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayjhDABpJ0

>>74834697
Kapustin

underrated Strauss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jwml0jevv0

>>74836077
looking at triads on steps of each mode
I ii iii IV V vi (vii) : major
i (ii) III iv v VI VII : minor
(i) II iii iv V VI vii : locrian

thus locrian shares
iii V with major and iv and VI with minor, if one additionally compares tonics then locrian resembles more a minor mode.
his track doesnt sound major to me either.

>>74836993
Pretty much one of his most famous works. Actual underrated Strauss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgVVLtQX0Gs

Mariinsky or Bolshoi?

>>74837413
why do jews always attack their hosts like this

>>74837413
Mods are fags, they don't ban for LGBTBBQ. Post it. Got any Binghan, Boulanger, Beethoven, Brahms, Berlioz, Bagner, Boulez bukkake?

>>74837413
Can you? Why did you put a question mark on the end of a statement?

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What does the black bar below the C mean?

>>74838224
semiquaver

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>>74831912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHqOK7e21A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahdnysWIKmU

>>74838224
It has half the note length of a quaver, called a semiquaver.

Stölzel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tqFXdIR2a4

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opinions?

>>74839268
kys

>>74839927
qt

>>74838224
Ledger line, showing you where A is.

Arne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5lJfwEJSiw

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>tfw you're not appreciated even though you made some of the best music ever written

>>74840871
Who is this no name non-entity?

>>74840891
Mozart (more like Meh... zart! lmao)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRUN0il2ZDA

why did haydn stop writing sonatas?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_Hob._XVI/52

>>74836821
I dunno. It sounds a bit cheesy but it includes the 1st 3rd and 5th, so that's something I guess. I don't think you'll get like a true plagal cadence out of Locrian.

Who produced the best pressings of classical music?

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>>74829672
sorry for the obviously unaccomplished classical connoisseur post, but can anyone tell a pleb which piece this music was inspired from? It starts at about 4:15 and I could swear it's by Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbK-jcQE8dA

>>74841976
Decca

>>74832318
He's probably one of those morons who hears Le Sacre and thinks ZOMG HEAVY METAL XD and appends rock concepts to classical music because he's a stupid dummy.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if composers post '60s have used feedback, particularly New Yorkers.

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDcw9XGAQNo

>>74842338
anyone?

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjE1yst49rU

hello i like classical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fxWsVebIgk

I mean THIS
>>74838997
>>74840550
>>74838258

>>74844484
Where's the bogie-woogie part?

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>>74845125
I forgot image
THIS
what is this

>>74845410
Dotted quaver and semiquaver, called a swung-quaver

>>74845262
14:00

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Now that Youtube has full albums uploaded at Opus 160kb/s, it's super easy to find almost anything.

Here's what I do now:

>Follow a reviewer or seek out reviews on Amazon or somewhere for an album you're interested in

>Search Youtube for the artist, filter by Channel, select the one that says X - Topic

>Click Albums

>Bam, you've got CDs and full fucking boxsets arranged in playlists automatically

I don't even know why people bother with Spotify or radio anymore. It's especially great if you're browsing different performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQdudICa-88&list=PLZj4RadToGJgPak30wUlXO7ESHWRljl7X

>>74846177
>this video isn't available in your country

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>>74846177
>Video not available

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>>74846177
>this video isn't available
Jesus Christ, now i can die

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>>74846177
Video works fine for me. The other guys must be from Europe or some other wasteland.

>>74845410
It's a sixteenth note, following a dotted eight note.

>>74833516
isn't that like Branca's entire output

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Beethoven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClKdGyUUFJE

Stuart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLOXLc95aTU

Villa-Lobos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x0cxSoTYBU

There's an organ in the background, it has keys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvHfETUDLQ

Sweelinck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKn3XGK4eHo

Britten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzPIkzPOi0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0_gw2Lillg

>>74848020
I don't get how people unironically like to listen to these prehistoric recordings, any merit these performances may have had is lost due to the horrible quality of the recording

>>74853313
>any merit these performances may have had is lost due to the horrible quality of the recording
people obviously disagree

>>74853313
Are you joking? That's a relatively higher quality older recording. Not a single crack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Ztjt7JuUY

>>74853313
>not loving old meme recordings
Pleb as fuck desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcfTzw9BRo

>>74842391
Thanks

Am I supposed to be listening to these fucking 70 year old recordings from these mega links? Are these just the ones you happened to have and upload, or are they actually considered classics? How important are the actual players, anyway? I'm only now getting into classical.

>>74853266
nice rec, anon

Does someone have a link for a download for Reinhold Gliere Symphony no.3 in b minor op.42 "Ilya Muromets" (1911) ??? please help.

Can you guys recommend some YouTube classical channels with good sound?
I've only got this one:
>VinylRecordSound

>>74853788
Players probably not that important if you're new. Differences between interpretations are things you learn to spot as you become more familiar with the music.

As for these folders, #7 is pretty much all high quality stereo from the 1960s onwards (prior to 1958 most orchestral recordings start to sound like shit, but other ensembles or solo instruments can sound terrible as recently as the '80s). Only the Beethoven violin sonatas and the Mahler 3rd conducted by Adler are slightly older.

>>74854541
Add.: And yes, different interpretations become very important once you gain that familiarity, and begin forming your idea of what the music is "about" and how it should be played.

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>dream of having ideas and writing them down
>forget everything after waking up

>>74853788
It's hard to say and i get where this anon >>74854541 is coming from. But, i'd say interpretations can make or break a work. If you are unlucky it may seem super boring. The same piece from another performer can become fascinating and full of life

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>>74854616
>trying to learn how to make moosics at 25

Just END ME

>>74854651
Yeah, there is always that risk. But there's no harm in trying something, not liking it, moving on, and coming back later. The only question is does the listener have patience? Coming from pop music it can be very difficult, given that you'll be used to instant gratification.

>>74854254
It's in Youtube you dickhead

>>74836986
Why is a Jazz artist the OP for /classical/ general?

>>74853313
agreed.

live > recordings
good recordings > bad recordings
good recordings with decent performances > bad recordings with better performances

bad recordings are only better than good recordings when the bad recording has an excellent performance and the good recording has an with awful performance.

>>74853788
>Am I supposed to be listening to these fucking 70 year old recordings from these mega links
I wouldn't, no.

>>74854718
He represents a crossover of the two styles and he Is more a classical composer that used jazzy elements than the other way around. I don't know any other jazz musicians that wrote cello concertos.

>>74855598
that's where you're wrong, fucko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Gulda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VgVBv9M-rc

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top tier music still sounds good and may even reveal additional properties when played in nature, during a hike.
anything with jazz elements sounds wrong in this context, it cannot exist outside buildings and cities.

George Crumb

https://youtu.be/NDqBLlRqOJQ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB7w3cK8dzU

>>74856711
garbage
>le quiet moment disturbed by loud noise trope

beethoven could create conflicts between two incompatible motifs and his music would still recover like a RAND roboter that was kicked off balance, or like a beast that regrows a limb. the incompatible parts could mutually shock each other in a display of creative destruction.

but when these faggots compose a conflict or disturbance, it resembles a sadist poking a cadaver, angry impotence.

>>74829672
Holy fuck, Kapustin!
I love this dude!!!!

>>74856819
>people have different ideas than i do and that makes me really mad for some reason

>>74856853
what ideas, you dont even offer a counterargument.

>>74854718
Kapustin regards himself as a composer rather than a jazz musician. He has said, "I was never a jazz musician. I never tried to be a real jazz pianist, but I had to do it because of the composing. I'm not interested in improvisation – and what is a jazz musician without improvisation? All my improvisation is written, of course, and they became much better; it improved them."[1]

>>74856819
But it's such a quiet and melodic piece. I'd understand this kind of reaction to his Black Angels, but this is ridiculous.

>>74856884
You literally just said "I don't like it because Beethoven wouldn't do it that way". What is there to do besides make fun of you for being mad that music hasn't been stuck in the 1820s forever?

>>74856972
yeah right
https://youtu.be/NDqBLlRqOJQ?t=888

>>74856991
saying 'ppl have different opinions lol u mad bro' is hardly better

>>74857063
Correct. It isn't better, it's on your level.

>>74857079
i'm not that anon, anon, but your post was worse
anon1 at least tried to articulate why the piece is trash
you just showed yourself to be trash

>>74857079
that was another anon, lets call him neutral observer
>>74857098
thx brah

Well Crumb isn't really trying to "create conflicts between two incompatible motifs" he is depicting whale song which can be pretty earsplitting. A jet engine may be 140 dB but a whale can get up to 188 dB. It's not a fucking trope when that is what whales actually do.

Fun work reminds me of Fabbriciani depicting glaciers shifting with a hyper-bass flute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF73K3FmLjE

>>74857226
This parallel's Das Rheingold's prelude pretty well

>>74857305
god strike me down for that unnecessary apostrophe

>>74857104
>>74857098
Anon didn't articulate why the piece is trash. He said he didn't like it because muh Beethoven. I said Crumb had different ideas than Beethoven, which for some reason anon was mad about.

>>74857556
>Anon didn't articulate
i said tried
>I said Crumb had different ideas than Beethoven
worse implies different, great contribution
>which for some reason anon was mad about
anon disliked them, so?

try again

>>74857226
nope, he's obviously depicting the contrast between quiet water and a noisy whale.

>>74857556
alright, crumb is such a gifted individual, i may not compare anything he does with what other composers achieved in the same domain.

>>74857226
>>74857651
He was inspired by the voices of the whales but the piece presents some other themes as well.
https://voxbalaenae.wordpress.com/

Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFpYhddQ9xg

Why don't you guys like Rachmaninoff?
https://youtu.be/1TJvJXyWDYw?t=1803

>>74859325
>Fedorova
*obligatory hat meme*

He's great so long as he stays away from the piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FzLASiHgXI

>>74859325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hvaOvDOhsM

Moiseiwitsch is best Rach.

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Hey guys remeber when classical music was actually made to delight the listener and it was crafted with great delicacy? Yea me neither, who the fuck cares about wigged fossiles writing on boring ass monotone instruments and voices trying to capture certain emotions, states, thoughts and stories in their music? Only a fucking pleb wouldn't listen to atonal music based on mathemathical equations and complex impossible time signatures that have been generated by a computer from the color of crushed insects. There's nothing more pleasuring that hearing the sounds that piano makes when people are fucking against it and the sound is distorted and modified to describe and symbolize the cycle of life. There's nothing beautiful about the "traditional" (I just call it shit) sheets compared to the modern avant-garde sheets that have pictures coded in them. In other words why wont we just give up on the old shit and move on to the new artistic time period? Fuck all ya'll senile gray haired conservative tonal classical nerd fucks, the times they're a changing, and you'll drop dead soon anyways.

>>74859624
(you)

>>74859624
sounds like you honestly don't understand e motivations behind the second viennese school. there aare a limited number of ways to generate surprise in any traditional set of composition rules, and over time these become cliche

>>74859750
I found that most of the time those who don't understand post-tonality have almost no idea how tonal music works either.
After having this conversation for the thousandth time I think it's just not worth it, unless the other part has actual interest in learning about music.

>>74859616
great performance, thanks!

>>74859624
I too thought of Harold when I saw Kapustin

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>>74860883
oops

'thoven vs muhler

https://www.strawpoll.me/13824459

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*plays diminished chords indiscriminately*

>>74855910
bruckner and mahler are good for long walks, I've found

>>74855910
Do I even need to say which piece is perfect with that picture?

>>74861526
Strauss, Alpine?

>>74861526
Yeah, I'm not following what you're referring to.

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>do harmony exercises
>go to bed
>do actual harmony exercises while dreaming
>wake up
>those harmony exercises are now second nature, I don't even have to think about it to solve them

What is going on here?

Is Mozart's 14th piano sonata a plebby choice? It's my favorite Mozart piece. I like it because it sounds like Beethoven to me, not Mozart. Am I dumb for thinking this?

I'm trying to practice counterpoint but I keep drowning out the Cantus Firmus. What am I doing wrong?

>>74859624
I just get high on drugs and randomly put notes in sequencer in Ableton, what are you talking about

>>74863039
you're probably not giving it room to breath.

>>74862747
That's the main use of lucid dreaming. If you learn to control it, don't overdo it, tho.

>>74862773
2nd movement is literally pathetique

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnYqB7taiTY

>>74863306
meaning?

Hey dudes I want a decent copy of Handel's Messiah, I'm assuming it's somewhere in the OP links?

Who would you recommend as a good introduction to Renaissance Composers?

>>74865046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7v0Z50wmjs

>>74865171
Thank you

>>74864384
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2131000

>>74864335
You're not allowing it the space to inhale and exhale.

Is this the greatest lineup of performers on a single recording? Bernstein, Horowitz, Rostropovich, Menuhin, Stern, Fischer Dieskau.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwmHhBXDA3M

>>74865274
you mean the other voices are too busy or they are encroaching on the alto register?

>>74865325
$5 has been deposited into your last.fm account.

>>74865046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLIgzAe5sI

>>74865046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wUJ-aAB-Xk

>>74865046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBZDHoCHmn8
Huge B-flat at the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLPdxdvEXk

>>74862722
this>>74862348
Ya dingus

>>74868198
But the alpine symphony sounds like a piece of schmaltzy, late romantic kitsch, nothing like that picture.

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So coming after Beethoven, which composers are worth listening to their full works?

>>74868389
Not even Beethoven, he wrote a whole lot of trashy folk song transcriptions for money. Maybe composers with smaller oeuvres such as Webern, Ruggles, Dukas, Verese.

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just wrote this.

is it any good?

https://clyp.it/us4lolxc

Ravel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehQMe57TPPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBlENBtEz2M

>>74829672
Are these uploaded anywhere else? I don't really feel like dealing with VPNs and slow downloads unless I have to

>>74868668
I'm no composition student but it sounds okay
Probably just the limits of the synthetic string sounds but the middle strings get lost pretty quickly around 1:05 which is no bueno and about 10 seconds later the cello part sounds real middle school

>>74859750
> there aare a limited number of ways to generate surprise in any traditional set of composition rules, and over time these become cliche
And making the whole piece one big surprise is the natural way to conclude this problem? Instead of focusing to make the music sound original and unique in a way never been done before one could actually try composing music that expresses things one wants to say in a manner that is universally understood through ages...

>>74868668
Quite clishe

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>>74840900
>>74840891
>>74840871

>>74869928

if it wasn't "clishe" you would say it was too alien.

>>74869961
Great meme friend

>>74870008
But there's nothing that really strikes out as something original. I don't mean to be rude but try to, so to say, study yourself and try to find what you can find within.

>>74868389
Petzold

>>74870052
this. It sounds like a study

>>74868339
The opening prelude is probably one of the greatest achievements in the orchestra since Fantastique

rec a classy piece

>>74868668
I don't even know why anyone would bother writing anything this generic

>>74868668
by the time you get to that middle section it sounds like Calypso. So, pretty bad. Try to have some original ideas or there is no point in writing music

>>74868668
Awful. Sounds video game soundtrack tier.

>>74871833
its certainly even worse than that

>>74861055
Yeah Glass is pretty terrible

>>74868389
Ravel.

>>74872914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r30D3SW4OVw

>>74872929
Bolero is enjoyable enough. Beethoven wrote some real stinkers.

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>mfw people blame Schoenberg instead of Wagner for the fall of Western tonal music

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>mfw people blame Wagner instead of Liszt for the fall of Western tonal music

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>mfw people think tonality was good

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Saint-Saëns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM

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>>74873065
>>74873072
>>74873129
>mfw people don't understand that tonality and atonality aren't good or bad by themselves, depends on the skill and knowledge of the composer.

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>>74856819
>>74856884
>>74857063
>>74857651
>>74859624
buttblasted samefag
also
>thoughts and stories in their music
see pic

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>>74873065
But western tonal music is doing just great anon, better than it's ever been. Oh you mean that specific small niche of western tonal romantic programmatic symphonic art music that you like.

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>>74873521
>he doesn't know what tonal means

>>74868389
Mahler, Strauss, Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Webern, Berg, Bartok, Penderecki, Lutoslawski, Schnittke Rautavaara, Part, Psathas.

Just to name a few

my favorite part of The Rosary Sonatas, GENIUS

https://youtu.be/WcRxH6LfMuE?t=2m33s

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>>74873505
better luck next time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZgRtiWsN9E
>etudes

did schumann really work out with these?

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>>74868963
>Carmignola
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cAje9tERGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiT3q_CBkgk

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7unYOyVn8

>>74873396
>Atonality sounds good if the composer has skill and knowlege
Contarian pleb found. Almost had me at the skill and knowlege but I remembered atonal music can't sound good no matter what's done to it or who composed it.

difference between dead and alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE3TRl-khq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL90FbnCh-Q

Milhaud

https://youtu.be/Oo-Ge2e8JGw

>>74871833

what - if I may ask - do you find so specifically bad about it?

>>74874193
>Atonality sounds good according to my jew composition prof if the composer has skill and knowledge
Fixed that for him.

lol if you're too dumb to appreciate post-tonal music.

Webern

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELAKF8ZxDmg

>>74874193
>I remembered
Aww you were so close to thinking for yourself for a moment there.

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>>74874217
This

Same with jazz, just lol at thinking it could ever be fucking art

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>>74873396
>mfw people dont understand that atonality is an academic invention that serves no other purpose than reproducing an academic class that promotes atonality

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>>74873521
>western tonal romantic programmatic symphonic art music that you like.
>romantic
>programmatic
>symphonic
>that you like
Try again sweetie

>>74874321
It only became that in the 50 and 60s.
In the early 1910s and 20s it was a new way to express things.

>>74874193
>atonal music can't sound good no matter what's done to it or who composed it.
and yet you called someone else a contrarian pleb. Might want to re-examine everything you know and actually learn a bit about 20th century music.

>>74874398
The Photoshop quality reflects the quality of this meme: Incredibly poor and doesn't stand up to scrutiny or logic

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>>74874420
>[SIRENS INTENSIFY]

>>74874420
proudly signed by trips is just the icing on the shitcake

>>74873624
>Mahler
I stopped reading right there

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>>74874246
>five movements for string quartet
>not simply ''String quartet''

>>74874398
how did brahms end up there when he was all about absolute music.

>>74874454
Definitely don't miss those douches

>>74873065
>mfw plebs think all modern music is atonal because of a few meme composers

>>74874404
>In the early 1910s and 20s it was a new way to express things.
but so did Wagner already. something must have changed qualitatively, and it can only be abstract motivation, pursuit of atonality for its own sake.

>>74874703
The rest of them are minimalists (new simplicity is just minimalism stripped of rigour) or some kind of sonorist anyway, so it's not like there's anything better.

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Enjoy some Rameau god-tier harpsichord, anons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sG21HOmaM

Babbitt

https://youtu.be/5Ge1-YUMhig

>>74874893
No the rest of them just aren't listened to. Because the fans of 20th/21st century classical aren't that interested in current old-fashioned sounding tonalists and their potential fans don't listen because they already know there is nothing good since the 19th century.

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Why are there no Chad composers? Are Chads just naturally drawn to poetry out of all the arts?

Strauss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fs6z3HOJVk

>>74873129
>mfw people think microtonality is atonality

>>74875303
Mozart was a chad

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>>74876298
Being a Chad is about how you look, Mozart had recessed facial bones, an egghead and a bird profile, he was an LTRcel but could never ever slay.

Schiller meanwhile, was legit male model tier

>>74876415
well, there was liszt

Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw53VrbI4l0

Ravel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_36x1_LKgg

>>74876415
It does not matter, Mozart still got laid a lot before his marriage. When your genius is that evident, you can be sure that you won't die as an incel.
By the way this applies to most renowned composers. If you're famous and your music is being played in a decent theatre, you can be sure that at the end of the night at least 3 women will want to fuck you. If you're the soloist (which was pretty common for Mozart) that number increases.

Source: am a composer and this has been the case for virtually every semi-famous composer and pianist/violinist/cellist/instrumentist who play insturments that are not lame/singer I've ever met in my life
Being a male model will MAYBE get 1/2 of the pussy people like Messianen could get in his lifetime.

>>74877142
>Martha Argerich

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https://youtu.be/lQabCdxJ6DM
The theme at 0.54 is the second theme of the first movement of Schumann's string quintet.

Post other rare findings.

>>74877442
Fuck off, Martha is a great Ravel interpreter.

>>74877458
It's easier to hear it by starting at 0.53, my bad.

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>>74877423
But then you have guys like Schiller who was both extremely GL and a genius... It's also kind of hollow when you win a girl with status, it's no the same primal sense of purpose as one gets from being worshiped for ones genetic fitness alone.
>>74876623
Looks like a hook-noosed potato ethnik to me, not nearly as harmonious and robust as Schiller was.

>>74877423
Messiaen was deeply religious and chaste and whats more, he married a complete dog.

>>74877527
Schiller was a genius, but he wasn't arguably the best poet who has ever lived: basically, he wasn't a Mozart. You can compare their appearances, but not their talent.
I wouldn't day that Schiller necessarily had less romantic options, but I would still say that Mozart had enough of them for us to consider him a top tier Chad. You're average beautiful man in a club does not have as much chance as artists who are recognized as artist do.
Also, not an artist, but just like Mozart got to get laid with some of the most beautiful opera singers of his time, people like Sartre got to have romantic and sexual relationships with supermodels, even while being a 5'0 hobgoblin. That's not what you're usual chad gets to achieve: people who are aknowledged as geniuses by society get to live a life that not even chads could dream of.

>>74877458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj0ZTS4WF4
took descending oboe motif from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhV78zLt3KE
(00:37)

>>74877593
That's why I've said "could get". I know that Messianen was a very modest person, even in his desires, but the truth is that he could have had sex with virtually every girl in every French conservatory, whenever he wanted. His intellectual heritage helped him ascending mere chadness.

>>74877593
>he married a complete dog
She looks extremely jewish, but I guess she might just have been occitan or something instead.

>>74877458
https://youtu.be/xwNuXjH1vIc
the theme in the Diabelli's fugue is an inversion of the theme of the third part of Bach's Contrapunctus XI from AoC, but I'm pretty sure it was meant to be an obvious reference.

>>74877609
Yes, but again, it's just not the same to get laid with ones status as to get worshiped for your looks, it is hollow. It's a question of quality moreso than quantity.

>>74877748
Quite on the contrary, status trumps looks. Schiller would be completely eclipsed by Napoleon.

>>74877748
It's absolutely the opposite. Schiller never deserved his looks, yet Mozart deserved every bit of his talent, given how dedicated and driven he was.
I would say that being talented and beautiful is better (obviously), yet this is not really a problem when you are as talented as Mozart was.
Just admit it: Mozart was a chad who could have got laid way more than all your high school chads combined.

>>74877844
I'm this anon >>74877790
But your comparison isn't fair. You must compare Mozart to a world-class chad, a historical chad, not high school grade.

>>74874289
>thinking atonal music is something one starts to appreciate by himself
Right back at you, hypocrite.

>>74877844
>>74877790
No no, you misunderstood, I am not talking about how MANY women one would be able to have sex with, but WHY. Someone with high status is dependent on society, an illusion, something transient, while a Chad has eternal value that can never be erased, they are the most value genetic specimen (in a primitive sense)

>>74877938
It's all an illusion.

>>74877458
Pechum's Morgan Choral from Die Dreigroschenoper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXl4P3oadt0
is taken from the aria Pepusch wrote for John gay's Beggar's Opera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op7bqHAJsME

>>74877938
why would a woman be able to recognize that value without help of external social hierarchy?

>>74877966
Genetic fitness markers, this is precisely how attraction still works, which is why (relatively) high status or wealthy men still get cucked all the time.
>>74877953
Reductio ad absurdum

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>>74874404
>a person who doesn't like atonal music is contarian

>>74877999
If you think women in nature would be physically attracted by modern standards of chad, you're delusional. It's all an illusion in the sense that it's all conventional.

>>74878034
Chads have features that indicate high fighting success, survival rate, good immune system, and an ideal hormonal profile, all of which result in a beautifully developed face.

>>74877999
And physically attractive men get cucked all the time as well. Typically by men with money.

>>74877999
in 18th century italians were literally cucked by castrati.
>>74878034
this

>>74878076
So do men with wealth. There's a correlation.

But in the end it's the success itself that prevails.

>>74878090
Cucked how? losing a relationship? Meaningless.

>>74878115
In all the same ways in which men with status are. Meaningless, then.

>>74878113
I can't think of any contemporary high status or absurdly wealthy men who display a high degree of genetic fitness.

Some more mid-level guys have a lot of overlap with Chad, sure, as Chad is of course naturally driven by his ideal hormonal profile (just as he led the tribe in prehistoric times)

>>74877938
But in this case Mozart's worth is entirely due to his talent and dedication. It's not something arbitrary, he earned it: his status is due to the fact that literally no one could do what he did.
Also Mozart wasn't a businessman, he was an artist, which meant that his status was already extremely romanticized (and that trend only intensified with time).
Basically, the attention Mozart was getting for his talent was more genuine than the attention that Schiller was getting for his looks.

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Haters can suck my

/classical/ is now just /r9k/ with periwigs

>>74878229
>

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsd3f5CJkbU

>>74878229
this was the first post itt
>>74875303
barely anyone interacts with this tard

W.F Bach > C.P.E Bach > J.C Bach > J.S Bach

Why was the piano not used in symphonies to the degree that the harpsichord was?

>>74878327
doesnt mesh well

>tfw Webern was used as the model of the 20th century contemporary composer
>tfw they could have chosen Scriabin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emYTG80B2vU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18u8UiZ4o4

I'm pretty sure we've wasted a century only because edgy early 20th century music students thought that Webern looked more badass.
>tfw we won't ever get a century of incredibly deep mystic ultratonal poetic music

>>74878366
yup

>>74878366
Noodling shit for retards

>>74878366
Scriabin has some good pieces, but he was painfully bound by formalism. Very, very dry formalism.

Scriabin vs Webern

https://www.strawpoll.me/13831973

https://www.strawpoll.me/13831973

https://www.strawpoll.me/13831973

>>74878653
>Scriabin vs Webern
>complains about Scriabin being a formalist at times

Have you ever listened to Webern's music? Have you ever studied his scores?

CPE Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1Hd7mdsBw

>>74878680
Webern BTFO

>>74878366
That way lies Sorabji. We didn't need a century of Sorabji. Messiaen carried on whatever was valuable in Scriabin's sound and made it more interesting.

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>>74856910
>he bad at jazz so Classical

>>74878718
I didn't say anything about Webern, though. And "at times" is far too charitable.

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>Jaydn
>Mozart
>Schubert
>Schumann
>Chopin
>Mendelssohn
>Scriabin
>Boulanger

I HOPE there is no god because if there is, he's a massive prick.

>>74879340
who's jaydn and if you meant haydn, both of them had long life

>>74879397
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinthe_Jadin

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>>74879413
probably buried in foundation of a masonic temple and they're drinking blood from his skull goblet

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpjw7SAuH28

Tartini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e5bgRqdmxI

>>74878194
...arsch?

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRexu5CIL8

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>>74879814
Listen to a decent interpretation for fuck's sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFRL6zsxTyQ

Barraqué

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OE7UmKmix0

>>74878306
Based.

Villa-Lobos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue0c5hI4UfI

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Okay so when I play those 4 left-hand quavers I can't stop myself from speeding up the last quaver because of the trill in the right hand
I am a beginner what should I do?
its from Alla Turca

>>74884043
I would practice right hand only with a metronome so you can get used to the trill timing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Zbg2Q6gdc
>12:22
t. Telemann

>>74833624
Summarise for a dumb person. I don't get what Aristotle is trying to say and what Liszt and Paganini have to do with it

>>74884314
Don't be a showoff, just play well. Aristotle was all about the golden mean, moderation between two extremes was his ideal.

>>74884535
But Liszt and Paganini mostly wrote for the pleasure of their audiences. Since instrumentists were also composers in Plato's time, a more apt comparison would be 20th century academic composers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFuCYNx-1g

>>74885111
Aristotle thought flashy music was vulgar and unworthy of cultivated men. Since he believed music imitated and induced states of mind, he wanted education in music to promote nobler mindsets.

>>74874709
>it can only be abstract motivation, pursuit of atonality for its own sake.
no it can't. Atonality can express other things beyond unrequited love or [themes from the der ring], it can be a form of expression if used as such.

>>74878032
That's right, and pleb.

>>74884043
Practice slowly and find out how many trills you have to do to get the rhythm right.

>>74831541
>harpsichord
Did you I would actually listen to this?

>>74877636
>oboe motif
>clearly a fucking bassoon at :37
>oboe doesn't start until 1:19

>>74878366
dont blame the music students, the Soviets arrested and jailed all the post Scriabinists...

>>74831541
blech

>>74885235
ew

Tchaikovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paej5gg5UEk

>>74877644
pure speculation. He doesn't even make music for normies. Modes of Limited Transposition don't get the ladies wet like romantic wank.

>>74890031
Comfirmed for never having been in a Conservatory. I can assure you that 99% of the female students I've met would have had sex with Messianen.

Alphhus Phallus - Penis Concerto in D minor No. 3 Op. 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhDDOHYRrZc

ded

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she's so qt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TAz9b_JNA

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Einojuhani Rautavaara

>>74885235
noice

>>74891687
post rare messis

>>74877458
https://youtu.be/cL90FbnCh-Q?t=301
5th brandenburger concerto cameo in last movement of beethoven piano sonata #3

>>74891687
I'm a Finn, should I get into his music?

>tfw the timpanist gets paid more just because he's listening to metronome 24/7

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>>74892557
I don't know very much about classical, but I think his Piano Concerto No.1 is very good.
Pic related is on soulseek, but if you don't use it I can upload.

Anyone know anything like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJi_rb9D8I4