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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43QwWJdH4o4

>>74737196
Havergal Brian symphony No.1 in D minor ''Gothic''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfAA5UiR-8

Stravinsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WixOhjeGCAE

>>74738269
Fucking hell

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>>74738269
Don't forget

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>>74738865

>>74738302
newfriend

>>74738269
>>74738865
>>74738874
Urghhhhh

>>74738269
Racism is why he's so underrated.

>>74738116
2 bourgeois4me

>>74738269
>new jazz on your classical radio
Is this an actual ad?

>>74737238
I prefer python suite

Perotin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KX_Wr_kAo

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9nyiBJKssk

Though I have heard Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Brahms and others before, it is only now that I have become curious about why their music is so different.

What I understand now is that while classical musicians such as Bach made music that was pleasant to the ears, Stravinsky and others made music to invoke specific feelings and even memories, focusing more on them than pleasantness or patterns.

But I want to learn more. Could someone point me somewhere to start?

>>74740598
I prefet viderunt omnes

>>74742152
I don't even see what those three should have in common

>>74742237
I prefer sederunt principes

>>74742237
That's a good one. Was just listening to that one (performed by the Hilliard Ensemble) too actually.

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Why do so many tracks in old white people music have titles like "Sonata Part IV in C# major, Geschemt Symphony 59" or whatever. Easier to remember normal titles Rites of Spring or Ride of the Vaklyries desu.

>>74742152
>Stravinsky and others made music to invoke specific feelings and even memories, focusing more on them than pleasantness or patterns.
that's because they they lived in a post-romantic era
you should learn more about romanticism, wagnerianism, and pre-romantic musical world to understand how perception of classical music changed over the centuries

>>74742387
Dodecaphony, Atonality, and the fact that they are all different from classical composers like Bach, Mozart and Vivaldi

>>74742152
>Though I have heard Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Brahms and others before, it is only now that I have become curious about why their music is so different.
They were completely different eras and styles. You shouldn't expect them to have anything in common.

>>74742474
Because those names come from ballets and operas (which focus on the action on stage) and sonata forms are named differently.

>>74742504
Brahms is often not even modal, nevermind "atonal". If anything he was the champion of diatonicism in a world of Mahlers, Bruckners and Debussys

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>There are currently approximately twenty intact tangent pianos in existence.

n-nani?!

>>74742474
because it's absolute music, that means the music is supposed to speak for itself without any non-musical references

nice numbers btw

Guerra-Peixe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXeA-57X8PM

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Daily reminder that Mozart is permanently underrated.

>>74743814
daily reminder that he is also 200+ years old. Contemporary composers are underrated and we shouldn't constantly dig in the past, but listen to the stuff that concerns us

>>74743848
fuck off poly

>>74743814
go to bed mozart

>>74743814
Anybody wants to hear a faggot who composes songs about lick asses

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Stop enjoying atonality.

>>74744589
Fuck off you mediocre bitch.

>>74743848
>Contemporary composers
Are meaningless because of a dead end which was reached by the Western culture almost a century ago: without the aristocracy in the broadest sense, the culture is irrelevant.

>>74744705
that happened because with religiosity the actual purpose for music died. Music that has no medium becomes pointless. Maybe we have a new chance in movies and especially in video games. It's no wonder that movie composers are the only contemporary composers that have mainstream success

>>74744589
Make me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkfjJYNRVR0

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>>74744820
>Maybe we have a new chance in movies and especially in video game
No you do not.
You've killed a god, you think you'll have a chance in some games, or moving pictures? You think these tiny pleasurable things will hide the monstrous bleeding wound?

>>74744820
>Maybe we have a new chance in movies and especially in video games.
Except they're all shit composers.

I'm new to /classical/. Show me more shit like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXK-EJNvUk

>>74745255
it's not about religion, it's about the fact that music needs a vessel. In pop music it's 'muh love'. In past centuries it was God. Now it's something else

>>74745453
that's just jpop-influenced Rachmaninoff worship for a finger-DDR game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9QLiefnoDE

>>74745328
sometimes there will be better composers. Look at the hype the music of Zelda elicited, music in video games has a lot of attention, so it will be only a matter of time until talented composers will work in that field.
Besides, in movies there have been a lot of good composers like Shore, Williams (underrated), Hermann, Rota

>>74744705
>>74744820
There's nothing more laughable than le wrong generationists but when it comes to classical they are even more ridiculous. They construct the most demented pet theories to justify their youtube-tier opinions.

>>74745694
who's a 'le wrong generationist' here?

>>74745595
ok, then got more jpop-influenced "classical" music? I despise jpop and pop in general but the jpop-influenced version is somewhat more lively.
I'll listen to this one tomorrow cause I'm felling sleepy and I know I won't stand 30 minutes. I'm 7 minutes into and already liking it.
Based on my short Youtube trips so far I know that I like Prokofiev, Rautavaara, Henry Cowell and toccatas.

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zaqqxh-Jm8E

>>74744820
The thing is though that movie and video game soundtracks don't truly strive for great music because it's secondary to the movie. The composers aren't composing for themselves or for an audience that will be intently listening.

Anybody know the Mozart variations by Reger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mVQxR9Ll9U&t=1021s

I think most of the early cinema composers (Churchill etc., Disney composers) were heavily influenced by this harmonic style

>>74745694
I didn't say I was in a wrong generation, quite the contrary. You missed the point completely and yet wrote your bitter nonsense.

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>>74745694
Fuck off, Poly. Go circlejerk to Schnittke.

>>74746574
this is true to some extent, but there are exceptions: Sergio Leone/Morricone are an exampe for movies. Ocarina of Time is an example for video games, were the music is actually an integrative part of the game. I don't want to say anything about the quality, but there is a chance to expand the collaboration between music and film/game artists

>>74746574
or think about Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings score, which uses the Leitmotif technique of Wagner's partituras.

Morricone (even though a bit overrated) already used Opera-like scores in the 60s, so I think film music being just a filler that nobody really notices is a thing of our generation (Hans Zimmer, rot in hell)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxBUp4dFEU

>>74746720
Video games definitely have some of the highest potential ceilings for art, but I think it's pretty unrealistic for it to ever be fully achieved considering the corporate environment in which it exists.

>>74747034
there's a high probability that you're right. The problem is the time in which video games emerged. It is capitalism ridden and has no space for the important message of one great artist or a few great artists who work together. A video game or a movie are created by thousands of minds, and in the end it doesn't have a message in the humanistic sense. On the other hand, a symphony by Beethoven was written by only one mind

>pleb
Grosse fuge
>patrician
The final to the 31st sonata.

>>74742504
>Classical composers
>Names two baroque composers
I see what you're getting at, a simplistic version of music history is that the late baroque period established tonality, the classical era perfected it, the romantic era started breaking the rules, Wagner stretched tonality to its limit, then it all went in a weird direction. Brahms is actually quite conservative for his time, if you want to get a good survey of how music stylistically evolved move from Mozart and Haydn (classical) to Beethoven (late classical/early romantic) to Chopin, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms and other contemporaries (romantic) to Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner, Strauss and other contemporaries (late romantic) to Debussy and Berlioz (impressionist), to Stravinsky, Ives,
and Schoenberg (primitivist, modernist, expressionist, and just generally crunchy early 20th century music), to Stravinsky, Messiaen, and maybe some Reich, although I guess it depends on how much appetite for postmodernism you have (John Cage playing cacti is fun and all but just because you make pedantic points about what makes music doesn't mean the music is worth listening to).

>>74747656
what about the Hammerklavier fugue?

>>74745597
I think Williams deserves the shit he gets for plagiarizing, but don't think you can argue he doesn't have talent.

If I didn't know the music, I'd guess from 4:00 into the video that Karel Husa was the composer, and there are few twentieth century composers whose brass parts I like as much as Husa's.

Regardless, every child that has listened to the star wars sound track has been exposed to neoromanticism. I feel like a large part of why I enjoy post-1850 classical music as an adult is because I enjoyed William's composition so much growing up.

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>>74742474
>I can't enjoy music without being told how to feel about it first!!
The absolute state of /classical/

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>>74742942
>>74742474

I actually don't really get that. I logically understand why it exists, of course but as an artist I don't. There's so much the arts can gain from being even slightly linked together, you can see this in the poetic lyrics in some cantatas for example. No need to go full Wagner, just a tinge of the visual and imaginative realms will do

>>74746701
Not me, mate. I tend to circlejerk to Bach mostly these days

di Lassus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH9LXg-Ajgg

>>74747193
Reminder that small games made by only one or a few persons exist. The future of music will lie in 2D Indie Adventure-RPGs.

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG5nREXB3ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tn3AiU0HcU

I cri
Why can't we have tenors this perfect anymore

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>>74750902
oy vey, erase this vile message of hate!

>>74751987
He was a good tenor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5RTRuby1GU

>>74749954
brainlet alert, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you're not germanic

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Hey /classical/, how do i become a polyphonic god?

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>perfect pitch is a symptom of autism
No wonder they're so obnoxious in video comments.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0037961

how is this not dicking around?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSh11ox79Qg

Romberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtrZvtgP2Pc

>>74752324
Work your way through Gradus ad parnassum as carefully and methodically as possible. Study scores of the masters, practice for 20 years.

>>74754447
At least 10 hours a day, deeply involved in the scene. Done.

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Where do I start if I want to get into composition? I've been training my ear and I think I have my intervals down. I'm just not sure what the next step in my master plan is though.

>>74754750
https://www.trade-schools.net/articles/trade-school-jobs.asp

>>74754898
fuck you, I already have a job. I'm trying to make my life less tedious here, not more

>>74754750
go to university / college. Major in composition.

>>74755221
I already finished school

>>74755267
Did you major in composition though?

>>74755287
no, of course not. I don't squander money like that

>>74755366
impressive intellect

>>74755366
So you intend to become a composer yet you went to school to get a major that has nothing to do with the job you want? You call that not squandering money?

>>74755655
I intended to become a hobbyist boyo

>>74755769
Read the complete idiot's guide to music theory
Download lilypond and start writing

Anyone listen to new (2010s) classical music here?

>>74755769
Being a composer isn't a hobby. It's not something you do on the side. You devote all of yourself to it or none of yourself.

>>74755814
I know theory and I have Ableton. I just want some exercises. Should I just grind first species counterpoint?

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>>74755888
>Poly butthurt about wasting his education

also, pic related

>>74755888
he never said he wanted to be a composer

>>74755888
You don't know much about classical music

>>74755888
Yeah, it's not like most composers take teaching jobs because composing alone is only a financially viable option if you're working in Hollywood with good connections or anything.

>>74755888
ur mom lol

>>74755888
See >>74746701

>>74755888
I'll take who is Alexander Borodin for $600, Alex.

>>74756941
LOL TROLLED XD

>>74749954
music is the only art that can exist without references. This is a huge advantage, not a restriction.

>>74751076
I hope you're right

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>>74747656
>not the diabelli fugue

>>74755875
All the time, but I frequent composer workshops and have a constant feed of new music videos from various sources - ongoing project in our country to film new music concerts.

>>74755946
Not me, mate. I didn't waste my education, I learned a shit ton and went from an amateur to an actual composer. Second year of my university degree and I had a piece recorded by our leading national orchestra.

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>he underrates mozart
>he underrates schubert
>he underrates schumann
>he underrates grieg

>>74759833
>Grieg
>underrated when rated as mediocre

>>74759841
>Grieg
>rated as medicore
No medicore artist could do what he has done though

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>>74755875
Only piece I've heard from this decade is pic related. I keep meaning to go check out more of Adam's stuff, Become Ocean is really beautiful. V. ethereal and open but violent at times too.

>>74759841
Grieg is legitimately underrated though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y2YCz5ZQLM

>>74755912
I don't know why composers are usually so unhelpful when you ask for basic bibliography for anything that isn't babby's first harmony and counterpoint books, they make it seems like everything that's not that is nowhere to be found in print format.
Anyway, I'm reading Cook's guide to musical analysis and Straus' post tonal theory and they've been really helpful.

>>74759735
>not the hammerklavier fugue
Shit taste

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>A 70 minute symphony

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Post sads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHhbUGasYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQNAe3Sd7ig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFHKmihEEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaABG_-X80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3r03GNzFQU

>>74761972
sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8PurepHxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_re7_tv3t8
if i can play this, can I join Die Wiener-Philharmoniker? Or at least impress my teacher?

stay away from me if you believe hammerklavier or grosse fuge are any good

stay away from me if you believe hammerklavier or grosse fuge aren't perfection

>>74760273
and your proof is the most pleb of all Grieg pieces? The best he did was his piano concerto

>>74763469
listen to his quartet and his funeral march

>>74762998
hey delete your post it's too close to my post so there's a chance of explosion of hot opinions

>>74763469
His piano books are pretty good but the actual overture and incidental music to Peer Gynt is underrated. The suite version sucks.

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>>74755888
I proved those digits wrong buddy

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>>74744589
>Italian Impressionism

>>74764036
most charles ives isn't that good
the concord sonata is 10/10 but his writing for other instruments is often pretty bad

Respighi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTrmnvYRQzo

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>>74764344
Pleb opinion senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgOh4YJ0Ixk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpihWbWIsRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2closM4jzc

He wrote some of the beautiful songs and best orchestral music of the 20th century, Unanswered Question, Central Park, Symphony no 4 are up there with Jeux, Rite of Spring, and Bartoks Music for Celesta

Also I find Concord Sonata unnecessarily dissonant at times, and a prime example of some of the criticisms lashed out against him are present in that work

the third movement is beautiful though

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Ok, I'm looking for a particular opera recording of a tenor from youtube that was posted here a very long time ago.

Unfortunately, I don't recall many details about it. It was rather old, just audio. It had a martial vibe, something about a call to arms perhaps. After an amazing delivery by the tenor, the crowd goes nuts, covering in noise the rest of the part.

Any chance you know what clip I'm talking about? I know this isn't very specific...

>>74764344
Concord is interesting but far too long imo.

>>74764957
that's cool

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>>74765010
A lot of piano sonatas in the 20th century are unworthy of the name, only Scriabin managed to write the worthy successors to Beethoven's set

His 5th will always be 20th century Hammerklavier

>>74765003
too vague for me to guess desu

>>74765084
what about Prokofjef?

>>74765117

I know. At this point I'd be ok with any favorite recordings where the audience goes wild after a particularly difficult part. Maybe I'll stumble upon it.

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>>74765084
>unworthy of the name

If they're in Sonata form, why shouldn't they be called sonatas?

>>74765287
You just proved my point

Piano reached its peak with Debussy, Ravel, Faure and Scriabin

Scriabin's Sonatas and Debussy's preludes and etudes are the unsurpassed champions of 20th piano composition

>>74765598
I meant it in a more historical and artistic context rather than a literal one

Like how many composers after Beethoven avoided the String Quartet because they couldn't surpass his late sets

>>74765422
no audience but Melchior in Siegfried is the typical demonstration of top-tier tenoring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKKjiWBZ9w

>>74765607
Are you talking about difficulty or musical content?

>>74765003
>>74765422
If you like an active audience, try old MET recordings. They love applauding in the middle of the music.

Here, have a Turandot.
http://www64.zippyshare.com/v/8QmEQbsi/file.html
Short and sweet. Very well sung and conducted.

>>74765084
>only Scriabin managed to write the worthy successors to Beethoven's set
check this bitchboi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyaMbo6ABUw

>>74765003
Maybe this? The one martial, standout tenor aria I know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ-z5vrHDsk

>>74765607
>Piano reached its peak with Debussy, Ravel, Faure and Scriabin
>only Scriabin managed to write the worthy successors to Beethoven's set

https://youtu.be/lpIlo8tGbSo

>>74765986
Stravinsky's solo piano sucks

>>74766126
Bartok's piano music is incredible but its a tier below the composers I mentioned, and that isn't a bad thing either

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>Woooo. I'm the ghost of Mozart. I hope you haven't been underrating me.

>>74766346
Fuck off manlet

>>74766346
fraud, mozart is still alive

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What /classical/ can I work out to? I'd like something more mentally stimulating than Amon Amarth for a change.
This is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-JD5Kv2js0

Whas Chaliapin the greatest bass ever?

>>74766346
fuck off mozart, there's no ghosts and souls, also the catholicism was a fake since the day one, so at least you fed those plants well

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>>74766491

>>74766121

Great piece, but I don't this was it. In retrospect, I'm not sure if "martial" was the right word to describe it. If I recall correctly, it was something about a revolt or a final battle. The piece was some kind of a call to arms or a victorious song. The audience ovations errupted in the middle of it and the orchestra/singers kept playing through the noise.

>>74767097
The beginning of Otello, maybe?

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>tfw ywn be the illegitimate child of a prince

Telemann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4munCZ3Nrw

>>74766491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-0U26kKho

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>instant orgasm

>>74767570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XBkLXv8Pn0

First-rate classical pianist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN7ghZVZTr0&t=50

Average kid playing jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4V_uaxBVOw

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>>74766491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xYnxNEApT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI74BaE0ltg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ajuM3S-Vk
I suggest downloading whole tracks. Nothing sucks more than when you're about to pull 95% on a triple volume cycle and then suddenly a random slow movement starts up.

Balbastre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zYixoJ-kY

Paganini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXXWBt5URw

darkest classical work?
I nominate Rachmaninoff's Trio élégiaque No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC-jip4cJCs

Haydn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvetAvYOSX8

>>74773349
what's the most cheerful

>>74773503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCwHVqnP0Q

>>74773503
post your darkest only

>>74773547
Black is dark, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnP2u7x4NHg

>>74773349
>>74773547
i guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGBXA1tBiLw

>>74773634
>Totentanz
>dark
this is actually the clowniest piece Liszt ever wrote

>>74773660
in a tim burton way, maybe

https://classicalmusiconly.com/list/dark-masterpieces-2ee2e3df

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGuBCas2vf4

>>74773503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa_wsUzJUPo

Ravel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpO7piUM7g

Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlajwRlA_mk

>>74774883
some peeps at my uni played this a few years back
good stuff

>>74777777 and Schubert dies before finishing his 7th symphony

>>74777725
oh darn i didnt get the get oh well i guess schubert has some work to do

You must listen to a 6 part fugue

>>74777904
Does such a thing exist?

>>74778354
c'mon, google exists now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSm9LEYixvA

>>74765003
Maybe Di Quella Pira? Can't think which recording you're talking about though. Maybe Corelli or somebody singing it.

Alternatively it might be from the Corelli Parma Tosca. Maybe Vittoria, Vittoria?

I have heard Ravel's string quartet years back from a recording recommended from you guys and it was absolutely brilliant, I carried it with me and played it all the time on my android, in good times and bad.
However I never bothered to find out which recording was it, and now it is gone.

What is your favorite version of Ravel's string quartet? Maybe someone will post the one.

Here is a "quite there" version, but not quite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNVVONYkivM

>>74780320
Try Tokyo string Quartet

>>74780890
Wow
This one is even closer. I think this might be the one!

petzold

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcOE20oNsME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3mUKG9LFYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmF1tpvElw
>tfw ywn be so famous and revered that you'd still have composers rearrange your works decades later

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why was this allowed?

>>74783990
top kek

>>74783990
is this vaporwave

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Anyone got more catchy pieces like these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH3ZohGnjcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkFCH1TC7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlQX94roZi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6b3swbnWg

Thanks in advance.

>>74784815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwL4nSb9am8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITjoWz7Unuo

>>74784815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN4lfNaB9uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1RuD9wvoDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhUDFQF_vM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPdYuz_b2M

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>>74784921
>>74784943
awesome, thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHqkgqR7RvU&index=9&list=LLJyaG9XHLePybnANFCUT8rA

any great choir songs? That's classical music, too, right?

>>74785436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpeqgycSVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb5DgWCGrTs

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>>74785673
thank you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yShmGUlylzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPPOCQKkY74

Hnnggg

>>74786403
his weakest work
too long

>>74786471
imagine being this pleb

>>74783990
(((Babbitt)))

>>74746580
Hey anon, thanks for this recommendation, I'm enjoying it. The orchestration really does sound like early hollywood despite 1914 composition date.

>>74786471
It's only too long in the hands of a sluggard like Klemperer. Get someone who puts some zip in it like Zinman.

>>74739551
Real composers write in FORTRAN suite

Is this /classical/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3B7alymQ6I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkvAme2VUk

What's your favorite uptempo piece?

>>74789163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGWSTw_husg

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>>74789163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPN6wpTJAEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-9e0w_0sa0

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>mfw the slow introduction lasts five minutes
>mfw the first theme is moderato-larguissimo and lasts fiftheen minutes
>mfw the second theme starts with a piano cadenza in glissandro
>mfw the second theme is heroic with moments near to atonalism
>mfw the tonality changes from C minor to C major
>mfw there is formal recapitulation
>mfw the movement finishes without coda
>mfw the first movement lasted 50 fucking minutes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jli7SJmnp7A
>fusing Italian musicality with Sturm und Drung

Has there been a worse performance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYO9gTmCJTE

>>74792133
https://youtu.be/jYO9gTmCJTE?t=411
>JUST BANG KEYS LMAO
God I hate Lang Lang

>>74792338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtz8ociUEbk

>Gould confessed that to him classical music concerts became pointless so he doesn't go to them or perform as a pianist anymore
was he right

>>74792486
heard speculation that his posture fucked him up for live performances

>>74792133
jesus that intro what was he thinking

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>>74792133

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>>74792133
Holy shit I can't breathe lmao.

Who's most likely to get me laid, Faure or Chopin?

>>74793347
GOAT Fauré, manly Fauré

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QV2ADmf1o

>>74793347
I can play a bunch of Chopin pieces and I can't get laid, so try Faure

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Does anyone know why A list piansts like Gould, Gilels, Richter, Kissin, Argerich etc limited themselves to a very dated ouvre like Beethoven, Brahms, when they were alive during the advent of Stockhausen, Xenakis and Feldman? Why is it that niche pianists like Takahashi, Schleiermacher, Ooi, Kontarsky bros always pioneer these new composers when these so called "great" pianists don't even touch them :/

>>74794705
more people enjoy the classics, i guess, including the pianists
plus, money

>>74794875

Sure perform a lot of concerts, record a lot of it for the money, but why not perform atleast ONE contemporary work, a xenakis piano concerto, stockhausen klavierstucke, feldman solo piano piece. Just so that the future may say, here lies a great pianist who left his mark or many great works of music. Atleast Gould did some Schoenberg, Webern and Hindemith, the rest, Nothing.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

>>74794705
they werent interested, and russia was very behind on modern works. also those composers dont sell tickets. look at john ogdon and douglas madge.

some of the pianists you listed played 2nd viennese school works though, and very very well.

>>74761972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWoJo_leeRs

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Does anyone have any good early music recommendations? I know that's not technically classical, but I've been getting really into early chorale as well as medieval era stuff. Thanks!

>>74790362
what piece are you talking about?

>>74790362
Stop listening to Sorabji.

>>74795019
It doesn't make sense to you that pianists wouldn't want to play music they don't like and won't earn them much money?

>>74794705
General public like Beethoven and Brahms.
General public do not like Stockhausen and Feldman.

They play what they like, and they also play what people will enjoy.

Brahms and beethoven are full of emotion, while Stockhausen and Xenakis worked hard to remove all emotion from their music. There is nothing for an audience to connect with on an emotional level, although there is plenty for a composer or 20th century performer to connect with on a intellectual level. Stockhausen and Xenakis were writing music for composers and high tier 20th century music enthusiasts, not for the general public.

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>>74795894

>>74798003
bless you!

>>74797982
General public don't give a shit about Beethoven and Brahms except a few pop hits: moonlight sonata, lullaby. Actual classical listening public are more diverse than you give credit for. Also your strange claim about removing emotion reflects more on your inability to emotionally connect and doesn't really describe their music.

So...is Morton Feldman a hack or is he one of the good minimalists?

>>74798462
>Actual classical listening public are more diverse than you give credit for
>General public don't give a shit about Beethoven and Brahms except a few pop hits
Well which is it, are they diverse or do they only know a few pop hits?
I can guarantee you they would diversify into Brahms and Beethoven before going into Stockhausen and Xenakis.

Removing the emotion removes the ability to connect with emotion. Its not rocket science.

Removing emotion and memorable melodies is what the serialists int he late 50s and early 60s did. They wrote music in a different way: As an experience to challenge and/or stimulate an intellectual already comfortable with 20th century music. This kind of person makes up a very small portion of the general classical audience. Small enough as to not bother catering to unless you're a contemporary music ensemble and specialize in that kind of music.

I enjoy Stockhausen and Xenakis, but I'm a trained composer already intimately familiar with 20th century music. Most of the general public need something with clear melodies and emotions in order to connect with it.

>>74795019
You have people like Pollini who are certainly A list and did many performances of Stockhausen and other contemporaries. So it happens.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_WuzodRPEM
>3:44

>>74798509
The second one.

>>74798721
>Removing the emotion removes the ability to connect with emotion. Its not rocket science.
No, tis the other way around. People were unwilling and uninterested in connecting with the emotions of serialist and other music. The only emotion they got from it was annoyance that it didn't sound like yet another Mahler or Tchaikovsky.

>Well which is it, are they diverse or do they only know a few pop hits?
I'm sure you have realised if you are a composer that there is a wide gulf between the general public and the classical listening public who are only a small niche. Including the entire general public in a summary of what people want from classical will tell you they want TayTay and Beyoncé, not Brahms or Berg.

>I can guarantee you they would diversify into Brahms and Beethoven before going into Stockhausen and Xenakis.
Not been my experience at all, I got in to classical via 20th century modernists more than 19th century and I see many following a similar route. The vast majority aren't getting in to classical at all, Xenakis or Beethoven and many that do go as far as Williams and Zimmer then stop.

>>74761972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7BQUyxKio4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLh1EjbN6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPO1g6yIzPA

>>74796100
>>74796891
(1/2)
I have a friend who is a composer and conductor. It's a brief description of the first movement of a symphony he's composing. Firstly was a piano concerto structured in a complex movement, but he dismissed it. Finally he decided to take it as the first movement, he showed me the score and described me as follows:

The introduction (in Adagio) have two motifs: the first is beautiful and is presented by the strings, then abruptly arrives the second motif, presented by the winds intruments (specially two clarinets) as a constant ostinato which takes the beauty of the first motif and makes it a very dark melody. Then the strings joins and the motif is developed very freely before dissolving in the silence. The first theme of the movement (Moderato-Allegro grave-Larguissimo in C minor) start as a melancholic melody presented by the english horn, when the strings takes the theme, it becames more complex, then the full orchestra developes it in a very tragic way, when it looks that the theme is going to repeat again, then suddenly the piano interrupts violently the orchestra with arpegios in fortissimo, displeasant to the hear, after some minutes it starts in decrescendo mode until finishing in pianissimo, very slowly and magicaly beautiful. The strings starts a hard section based in the arpegios of the piano as a brief development. Then the full orchestra makes a long variation of the theme in a languid way, the english horn cocnludes the variation with the same notes at the beginin but inverted.

>>74799520
(2/2)
A brief piano cadenza in glissandro takes the pessimism of the ending of the first theme and presents the second theme: an heroic one (with ambiguous tonality) which looks to destroy the first one with powerful hits of the timpani. The strings presents the theme calmly, then the piano comes again, cutting-off the strings, with the first theme in a very pathetical way. A fight starts: the strings try to stop the theme but the piano plays louder, the winds joins the strings, but again they can't stop the piano. the the full orchestra finally stops the piano with a glorious fanfare (the moment the tone changes from C minor to C major). Then the full orchestra recapitulates the heroic theme, the piano joins and takes the lead of the orchestra. then the movement finishes in attacca, giving the way to te next movement. My friend showed me the score and interpreted a piano reduction of this movement for me and some friends of him.

>>74799520
>>74799532
>a friend

Getting flashbacks to that guy who composed a Rach style piano concerto and kept posting it here while pretending to be someone else.

>>74799632
do you have posts of him? I'm new in /classical/

>>74799520
>>74799532
>larguissimo
>glissandro
>pathetical

>>74799784
you are pathetical

>>74799784
i repeat, he showed me the score and presented a piano reduction for me and another dudes

>>74799632
Kek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fa7clDo1hs

>>74800779
that's nice, anon, thanks

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>>74800916

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>5'1
>you've reached the other hand of the spectrum, you're normal composer now

>5'1.5
>optimal height, you can be as prolific and inventive as Schubert

>5'2 to 5'5
>still optimal height, but you won't be as productive. Your compositions will be masterfully crafted, and infinitely original and interesting

>5'6
>turning point. You will be able to write very beautiful melodies and daring harmonies on the right hand, but this is it

>5'11
>too tall, you have experienced too much life through social contexts, and your art will be corrupted by it. You barely understand durations, and you genuinely think textbooks can teach you how to compose

>6'0
>way too tall, not only you have socialized too much, but you were actually at the peak of the hierarchic structure that surrounded you: as a reault you now lack self-awareness. You'll write dumb melodies, nonsensical harmonies and far too many scales and octaves

>6'3
>you're a weirdo. People were scared of you, so they always patronized you: yoh don't even know what self-awareness is. Your composiitons will be completely unmusical, and you will spend most of your life bashing pianos, producing boring, uninteresting music

>6'6
>at this height mental retardation is extremely common: you end up composing for shallow housewives.

>>74801759
kek

>>74799749
His YouTube was J.J. Townley, but rbt.asia should have his posts archived. Look for someone talking about "the next Rachmaninoff" and you'll find some entertaining back and forth.

>>74801759
>this is what manlets actually believe
t. Fagner fanboy

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>it's another episode of mom is a faggot who refuses to leave the house so that I can't practice by myself but she forces me to anyway and I end up spending half an hour on my phone and slamming some notes on the piano so it sounds like I'm practicing

>>74802934
I refuse to believe that someone is this autistic.

>>74802963
I also make sure to turn down the volume of my video games so that she can't hear the audio when I am playing. I am pretty sure this is normal behaviour.

>>74802934
You know that you can install a MIDI platform so that you can practice on your actual piano with headphones? You don't even miss on frequencies and tactile experiences (technically, if you are already good, you could also practice on a dumb piano). I don't know where you live, but in France I could get one on my piano for 150$.

>>74803315
I'm saving up for a trombone currently, so no MIDI magic for me. Fortunately mom works a lot so I can practise by myself, but when she decides to be a woman I have to do what I do now.

What is some music that explores weird timbres to make weird tuning systems like 10-TET sound consonant, or music that explores other possibilities of timbres?

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifv5mTeG08M

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Christ, this is one of the most beatiful compositions I have heard recently. This part is specially marvelous

https://youtu.be/c4eCHbBqfrA?t=11m4s

Where can I find other pieces as romantic as this?

>>74804360
t. cuck

>>74804360
>schoemberg
>romantic
LOL

>>74804693
that's undoubtedly a late romantic piece, though

>>74804693
>he doesn't realize Schoenberg has always been a romantic
LOL

>>74804360
Strauss - Metamorphosen
Dvorak & Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings
Brahms - String Sextets

>>74804360
Listen to the first compositions by Schoenberg and Berg. By the way Schoenberg's first compositions are a great starting point if you want to delve into serial music. His first pieces display his poetic (which he will mantain for the rest of his life: Transfigured Nights is meant to be listened in the same way you would listen to Ode to Napoleon), yet his musical language is still romantic. By analyzing chronologically his compositions you can say a clear and logical progression.

Quite like the waltz movement from Tchaikovksky's 5th

What is studying composition like? What kind of exercises are usually chosen?
Also what is ear training like? And how frustrating is it?

I'm going to start studying music in November and I'm quire hyped, that said I'm completely oblivious to what music pedagogy looks like. What's the usual experience for a music student? (Yes Poly, I'm also interested in your insight)

>>74805430
>What is studying composition like?
Like wasting money lfmao

>>74805430
>What is studying composition like?
dunno lol
>Also what is ear training like? And how frustrating is it?
Ear training is actually really easy once you get the hang of it. It just takes practice and you can cheese some of it by memorizing intervals from passages of pieces you know. Sight singing is hard though. Just slave away at singing intervals near a piano until you get it.

>>74747768
>Brahms and other contemporaries (romantic) to Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner, Strauss and other contemporaries (late romantic)

Pardon me sir but Brahms outlived both Wagner and Bruckner.

I present to you motherfuckers the greatest fucking mass of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE5LbRk4AfE

>>74806505
Biber is alright but have you heard this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGKEmzTPNI
or this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2olNSxDKSN0

>>74806597
> Zelenka
I know his name, but don't I think I heard anything from him, listening to Missa votiva right now, I write my impression here after finishing it

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>>74806701
Alright, I'll wait.

>>74793347
Faure wasn't a faggot or a cuck so try that

>>74805458
I'm yuropoor, which means that I get to study in conservatories for free as long as I fit the requirements.

>>74805551
How long does it usually takes? I'm seeing from my syllabus that I'll study it for 1.5 years, yet I don't know how intense is studying in conservatories.

Villa-Lobos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgh8CzHPKok

>>74804693
are you an idiot?

Got tired of waiting so here's another mass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0ApX7Et3Q

>>74806830
hey it's me again, Missa votiva is a very good work, not a masterpiece but a very good work with some boring moments

listening now to his Missa Omnium Sanctorum

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>>74808388
>some boring moments
Yeah those are called recitativos.

One of my favourite masses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY4wrU-WyCs

>>74801759
V. sad that Prok and Liszt were tall. I suppose they had to be to have the ridiculous hand-spans they wrote for on piano, but they were both very very good composers and should be treated as such

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD12AOCty0Q

What makes this sound so bright?

>>74804693
Schoenberg was the successor to Brahms

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>>74803383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbuFPpiJL1o

you're welcome

>>74809174
maybe an E flat Lydian pull?

>>74809367
probably just the mics

>>74809392
mics? its definitely a tonal thing

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Guys, what conductor/orchestra is considered generally a safe choice for a first hearing of a work? There are so many recordings and i feel lost if i don't have a starting point.
By safe i mean playing by the book, not taking overt risks, letting the music shine and not the narcissism of the performer, being a bit bland/boring. You get the gist i hope

>>74809498
Rafael Kubelik

>>74809498
I feel like Bernstein and Karajan being avoid-tier is just a meme. They certainly have the widest repertoire and more or less uncontroversial interpretations. Boulez on the other hand ought to be avoided except in the 20th century milieu. Of course there are much better conductors but that really depends on the composer.

>>74809498
Depends a lot on the piece. Most conductors impose their own style on a piece. Those that don't often aren't worth hearing. Maazel, Haitink and Levine are some of the most middling conductors.

>>74809678
>Bernstein
>uncontroversial
hmmmm

>>74807374
I wish he was more known here. Great composer.
https://youtu.be/r-XGAWjwj-c

>>74809678
I wouldn't say Bernstein or Karajan should be avoided but they are far from uncontroversial. Bernstein made everything gush with too much emotion and histrionics while Karajan made everything a little too sleek and polished, more like a souvenir than a performance, too string heavy as well. I'd recommend Karajan as first listen to Beethoven for a noob though even if I do prefer HIP.

>>74809719
His piano concertos are fun. Found his symphonies annoying.

>>74809708
>>74809775
Show me a high-tier piece that either of them manages to make shit-tier.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PU97xMIc4

>>74809853
Bernstein's Mahler 9th with the BPO.

If any further evidence of the worthlessness of the Grammy Awards for classical recordings were necessary, the fact that this performance won would seal the deal. Recorded live in 1979, it represents Bernstein’s only encounter with the Berlin Philharmonic, which makes it historically “interesting,” I suppose. They play miserably for him. The performance is littered with mishaps large and small. In any event, aside from the moments of shaky ensemble in the first three movements, the climax of the finale falls completely to pieces. The trombones decide to take the rest of the night off, and simply go missing (sound clips, with a good one for comparison); the horns sound distressed, and the screaming trumpets, while hitting the right notes, play with a tone that’s just painful. What on earth happened? All we can say is that it was truly terrible.

>>74809853
Basically anything baroque from Karajan is pretty tasteless (that Mass in B is big band Bach at its absolute worse), and a lot of his classical repertoire isn't that great either. His soupy Mozart is often completely lacking in charm, and the same goes for his Haydn. His Beethoven will always be up-in-the-air in regards to its critical reception (opinions differ wildly) but if you want to see a negative counterpoint go into the archives and look at SDF's old infodumps at how inappropriate he thought Karajan's Beethoven could be. I don't mind it enough to repost it.

But, yeah, there's a lot you can point at Karajan about in regards to being controversial. He covered a lot of repertoire so there's the convenience of often having a recording from him, but aside from romantics/late-romantics I dunno if I'd recommend him consistently.

And Bernstein's career was practically made on his refusal to obey the written letter. If you want to read harsh critique on him, go read Schonberg's reviews. Ouch.

>>74810096
>And Bernstein's career was practically made on his refusal to obey the written letter. If you want to read harsh critique on him, go read Schonberg's reviews. Ouch.
I have a soft spot for Lenny, he was such a sweet guy and his Harvard lectures were top-tier. I want to like him

>>74810096
>He covered a lot of repertoire so there's the convenience of often having a recording from him, but aside from romantics/late-romantics I dunno if I'd recommend him consistently.
But there have to be a few classical music chameleons that capture the spirit of any composer they are involved in

>>74804917
Currently listening to Metamorphosen, thank you anon, I couldn't have asked for a better recommendation. I'll listen to the others once I'm finished with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH_41N6DGLQ

>tfw Nietzsche thought that the Hammerklavier Sonata was an unorchestrated symphony
Was he retarded or am I missinf something?

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WHERE'S THE NEW THRAAD?

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The comments on Nietzsche's compositions in Youtube are amazing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2afrV4f-9EI

Holy shit, even mine are better.

>>74810345
Monteux, maybe. Can't say I've ever heard a bad Monteux recording.

>>74810240
I like his lectures too, but I feel like the criticisms about his ego became more true as he grew older. Young Bernstein is definitely the one the listen to in recordings.

Surely one of the more charismatic public figures we've ever had, though. I feel like if we had another Bernstein around there'd be a lot more youth into classical.