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reminder

Virgin symphony: Mozart 41
Chad symphony: Mozart 39

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>high Italian Baroque
>"sissy drivel"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQyXI5mDHZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIRPXpXSYv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn7TwIDY3xQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnCBYFM13lA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNQqyv88H7E
Perhaps you see everything as "sissy" since you're a sissy yourself? Classic projection.

>>74691711
i heart u anime baroqueposter

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>>74692274

The virgin Offenbach Operetta
the Chad Viennese Operetta
>>74691711
Noone called baroque sissy itt.

Rautavaara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naaonJdgVoA

YELLING FUCK MOZART TILL I DIE
ON GD
SQUAAAAD

The Virgin Parsifal
The Chad Die Walkure

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are these generals for Operetta/Music Hall/Turn of the Century music as well or am I just cursed to wonder this cultural wasteland alone?

>>74693016
fptmiu

>>74693043
No, Anon, I love operettas too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9mCuv9c8o8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuuyTGp5YPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpU94JkIl0A

>anime in my /classical/

GET OUT

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arfYFtc7hlw

>>74693252
nice links, fratello
https://youtu.be/aNyZV-2ot6I

https://youtu.be/pmBq_xtuOUM
(don't judge me the movie was lively and fresh)

What's the biggest meme on /classical/? Is there something definitive I should listen to right now as a newcomer of these threads?

>>74693470
petzold

>>74693452
I actually like the movie too. It was very fun and one of the first things that actually got me into classical music as a child (we saw it at school).
Offenbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAyktaGI8pw
Sullivan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgO6A0BAyK0
Sondheim (the MET general manager Chapin actually said he wished he had debuted it at the MET after seeing it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwWXjXKcmng

>>74693470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

>>74693470
>What's the biggest meme on /classical/
mozart being good (he actually sucks)

>>74693680
mozart is for chads only

>>74693652
Damn I really love the original broadway Sweeney Todd, Lansbury is the only Mrs. Lovett in my mind. Shes supposed to be an old batty old hag not some weird saucy Bonham Carter type.

>>74693700
>chads
that's a funny way to spell cucks

true chad music would be something intellectual and muscular like Bach's fugiues

m*zart's music feels whimsical and flimsy, more suitable for cross dressers

>>74693774
my dubs said otherwise anon

>>74693794
reply to me again and you'll be sorry, kid

>>74693822
hi

>>74693774
>B*g fans are also Mozart underraters

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This recording is so fantastic. It's especially fantastic for a record recorded in 1933, and that's not to hold it to a lower standard than modern recordings.

>>74693969
>Bach

good taste

>>74693976
You shouldn't live without deep, intimate experiences with bach's music. He has too many extraordinary records.

>>74693969

Paris: 1929

>Yehudi, Bubi, if you don't practice your violin yah never become a doctah or a lawyah
>Think about what ya doing to ya paw motha
>Don't end up working in ya Uncle Hershel's jewelry stoah like ya cousin Iwa-ving

best recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3cHcQfomE

>>74693470
memes are bad, you should avoid them, not seek them out.

is opera allowed on here?

>>74695620
/classical/ only allows Monteverdi

>>74695620
/classical/ only allows Bellini

>>74695620
/classical/ only allows Firefox

>>74695620
/classical/ only allows the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>74695620
/classical/ only allows Poulenc

Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MswHKA4dako

>>74695620
Of course. Opera is classical music

/classical/ only allows Verdi and Mozart through. Maybe some Bartok if you're lucky

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Is there a /classical/ version if this?

>>74691059
Oh shit how did I miss this. That's hilarious. Someone should make a Virginia Chopin vs Chad listz one

>>74696303
First post, dunce.

I think there are a few but its a pretty weak meme. We like out memes pretty spicy. Stravinsky's nude penis, calcium's ejaculate on the cover of Koroliov's art of fugue, Chopin's Fugue, Bruckner's Virginity and love of teenage girls, Scriabin's shaving grace, Debussy's head shape, old scratchy recordings, Mozart's ass licking. Those are the /classical/ memes we endorse

Gounod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Y9_GnQDqo

>>74690718
>There is an accompanying chart, available on request
please?

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Hungarian Chad incoming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkXOrkeZyqQ

How long do I have to l practice the piano each day if I want to play something like mephisto waltz within 4 years? I've been playing almost a year

>>74697199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gFn5OcaRs

Paderewski playing Paderewski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zLYxbuGBU

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>>74690718
>Bach
>autist
>no Tchaikovsky
Bad memed

what's the best classical concept album

>>74693016
>>74693213
>>74693700
>>74693877
Mozartfags don't deserve to live

>>74697199
Do graded pieces for 30mins each day but also practise the piece you want to learn on the side. Good luck reaching all the keys at speed though

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>>74696291
>Opera is classical music

>>74697605
*Opera is the best kind of classical music

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wtf is his problem?

>>74697760
I didn't know they turned beaker into a human

>>74697260
And how long til he could play that at the correct tempo with little to no mistakes? He doesn't have the technique to play it well with only a year and a half experience.

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>>74697681

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>>74697353
Bach's St Matthew Passion

>>74697353
Anything Ensemble Modern has ever recorded.

i think bach would play minecraft if he were around today, but not vanilla, it would be an autistic modpack

>>74698202
>js bach was soooo autistic lmao
shit plebs say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg9Uv0wUZdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUkximrwHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIcinMxNYBc

>>74698256
you're right he's more of a factorio guy

>>74698202
Bach would be composing music for the church somewhere, helping his community and
with a quiet family. He would be more like Arvo Part.
There's no need to project yourself onto Bach.

>>74698346
yep thats stardew valley you are correct

>>74693969
the Enescu/Menuhin double is an incredibly good recording, yeah

makes me wish we had more recordings of Enescu when he could still play very well

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Can Gould's autism be topped?

>>74698416
david fray is trying

>>74691059
>Virgin sonata
>Chad concerto

>>74691059
why is chad trying to impress jews?

>>74698912
Only virgins hate jews

>>74698932
only chads disengage from the love/hate dichotomy

>>74698416
never

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4-RTDrRYZw

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>>74699180
>vexing sound panning to get audience "involved"
when will radio documakers learn?

Has there ever been a famous classical performer who was proficient at multiple instruments? It seems like every famous performer is only the best at one instrument.

>>74699458
paganini also played the shit out of the guitar, but most modern musicians aren't usually known for versatility beyond their teenage years

>>74699564
>but most modern musicians aren't usually known for versatility beyond their teenage years
beyond their teenage years? that doesn't make sense.

>>74699573
Kurt Moll played cello before becoming an opera singer, for example. A fair amount of singers and pianists also played an instrument when they were young.

>>74699573
Loads of conductors, singers, etc. etc. at least learn piano or one other instrument during their early years

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>conductor has a signature move

is liszt the /mu/ forgotten composer?

Halfway into Beethoven and chill and she gives you this look.

>>74700327
you had one job

>>74699458
Saw some post about a woman who was a concert pianist and violin soloist, but can't remember her name

Recommend me something for running. I have recently only been listening to Beethoven late string quartets and gotten bored of the other stuff I know. I want something new like Stravinsky or that one unusual Barock guy starting with Z

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>>74701386
try it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7QEIkRvxQQ

>>74701496
Schumanm is a bro

>>74693470
Mozart being bad (he's actually, as you probably already know, one of the greatest composers of all time, and people only dislike him here to be contrarian and because he achieved more at the age of 8 than anyone on this board. of course it's now become so common to be contrarian that it's actually contrarian to like Mozart, which makes him an exclusive club for patricians only now)

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>>74693680

>>74701386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NzQUPmwjc

Is Narciso Yepes an actual good performer or just a faggot with a weird name?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqB1Xx9ZJY0

>>74697448
bump

Mozart had ART in his name
really makes you think...

>>74693680
further proves the fact of being underrated

>>74693774
>true chad music would be something intellectual and muscular like Bach's fugiues
>would be something intellectual
someone's totally fucking missing the point here

>>74693774
>more suitable for cross dressers
Reminds me of that virgin/chad meme where the chad fucks the virgin and the virgin is wearing striped thighhighs.

Is classical music produced nowadays that isnt a film/vidya soundtrack and do they earn a place under the umbrella term of classical music?

>>74702206
there is a lot of contemporary classical music but it isnt very popular outside the scene for the typical reasons and also because some of it is very contemporary.

>>74702206
Dumb faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oih2T9Ruzzk

the virgin autist Gould with his chad Bach vs chad Richter with his virginal autist Beethoven

som1 pls

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht0zd2slz44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXU7I_Yyi2Y

name a better prelude

>>74702768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBxFwfCRsVc

>>74702768
Bach - WTC book 2, Prelude in G#

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>>74702784
>human beings moving their fingers that fast

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man... bruh.....


FUCK A MOZART

>>74695641
V E S P E R S

Anyone listen to the Proms?

>>74703336
it's not too fast
all romantic piano is fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O4h0AapdbQ

>>74693387
some good polak piano playing there tbph

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>>74691385
>Chad symphony: Mozart 39
Best version to look for on slsk?

>sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVhawRakww

>happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tzLguU_2Dg

>go to the magic flute
>first tamino aria is a bit meh
>papageno enters from the back
>walks around the balustrades between the seats
>great voice, genuinely funny acting
>all the other singers are good too
>it's actually fucking amazing
>get caught up in the story
>grin like a fucking retard at the end
made me feel like a child again I fucking love the magic flute.
Mozart is GOAT desu

>>74691385
Virgin Chad symphony: Mozart 40

>>74695641
and Purcell.

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv58mbkuWDA

>>74704277
Mackerras
Marriner, Bruggen, Hogward or Bohm if you can't find that

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>>74704612
>Mozart is GOAT desu

Only greatest of all time? Not greatest of the entire set of all possible times?

FURTHER PROOF

>>74691385
Mozart is literally the biggest meme composer of all time

>>74707394
But he is not overrated

>>74707508
He is. If you insist on listening to classical period stuff it should be Schubert or Beethoven.

>>74707527
I wouldn't argue that Mozart is better than those two, but he does belong there with them

>>74702012
Yeah, makes me think of how much he loved farts.

>>74707597
Eh, every piece of Mozart I've heard has left me bored; his music seems to be pretty and intricately written, but it doesn't appeal to me on an emotional level. Do you have any pieces in particular you'd recommend? For reference, my favourite composers are almost all from the romantic period and Eastern Europe.

>>74707641
Those are fair arguments, I was memeing with my persistence. I do like Mozart, his stuff is indeed pretty and masterfully crafted, I'll try my best to find some stuff that may appeal to you more.

His late symphonies (assuming you've heard them, linked to last mvt of 41)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va8HF9L1Ans&t=50m18s

Quartet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuMs8kD5Des
Quintet (his horn stuff is great):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aKQBYELWw

Concertos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDitJ0WLhDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he6kWtk-Pk4

I do get where you're coming from though, and I'm not sure I can get you to feel the emotion in Mozart. In my opinion it is there, but it stems from a different musicality than more romantic stuff if that makes sense

>>74707641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLod_2Sszhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbjCg1EKnbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--sDBQuz6DY

>>74707641
>its overrated because I don't like it

Standard millenial solipsism

>>74707641
>but it doesn't appeal to me on an emotional level
I thought plebs like you left /classical/

>>74708089
That is how taste tends to work, anon

>>74708104
>Preferring German classical shit to glorious Russian romantic music

Looks like the only pleb here is you, anon :/

>>74708040
>>74708025
Thanks my dudes - will isten to later

>>74708210
taste has nothing to do with quality. Only conformity to aesthetic standards and to some extent culltural relevance can measure such things

>>74708339
Clearly my aesthetic standards are different to people who like Mozart then - so I think he's overrated by the general populace when measuring him against my standards.

>>74708339
>>74708089
why are mozart apologists so immature?

>>74708489
The general populace never liked Mozart that much. Even within aristocratic circles the memory and legacy of Mozart was being preserved and maintained by romantic composers.

>>74708544
I know he wasn't held in high regard at the time - I was referring to the general perception amongst today's plebs that Mozart = the pinnacle of classical music.

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enough about Mozart

listen to something good instead

>>74708210
Cool, let us know what you think. Have fun and remember that German classical isn't pleb (^:

>>74708585
that's not a pleb opinion. Incidentally I don't think its necessarily true but its very plausible t least

>>74699458
Virtually every opera singer has to be proficient at piano too.

>>74699614
That's because they often practice arias alone with the piano standing in for the orchestra.

>>74701908
The second.

>>74702012
Almost had Pozz in his name too.

>>74702206
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Bd1U2SqaM

>>74704612
The Papageno/ Papagena duet at the end is so happy and comfy.

>>74707641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1hkZZPNGGI

>>74708544
>The general populace never liked Mozart that much.
They did though, revisionist. In fact Papageno's arias in Magic Flute were specifically written with them in mind.

>>74709639
I meant more after his passing. He was forgotten about. The height of his popularity was undoubtedly the 1920s

>>74708594
Nice pen.

>>74709612
Truly beautiful. I may have to listen to more Mozart.

>>74709612
>somebody else shilling curzon besides me
amazing

>>74709639
>They did though
>what are the piano quartets
>what are the late string quartets

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My (almost complete) grab from soulseek, from one of the uploaders of the mega folders. Some of the rest of the files are probably scattered throughout my various download folders (I keep finding more), but this is most of it, I assume.

>>74711055
my god

>>74711055
where are the english composers?

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>>74711134
>English """""composers"""""

>>74711134
Dunno. I didn't have much time, because they were going out of town in literally 3 days, from the friday I was told they were leaving, to the very next monday. So I was told I had 3 days to download whatever I could, and they would not be back until next summer. So I went on a mad downloading frenzy. I had already been downloading parts of this collection, because it had interested me so much in recent times (it has many really interesting recordings), and I had already downloaded the whole mahler and bruckner folders. There was also a sizable mozart collection, but I never was able to get the whole thing. And other artists like prokofiev, vivaldi, schumann, schubert, which I wish I would have gotten more of. I'm really happy that I was basically able to get all of the artists I didn't know, and all of the recordings of compositions I really like from all the artists that I could find that are well known.

>>74711134
Look closer. Purcell is on there.

I also cannibalized a few of the albums into my main collection, like the schoenberg string quartets, and the schoenberg, webern, berg, orchestral recordings by karajan.

>>74711305
So that's why you don't see them in that big list of albums.

>>74708210
Russian Romantic is the most entry level classical out there

Also, say what you will, but I skipped a lot of the medieval choir recordings, for the sake of saving time on which I could be downloading other stuff. It's not that I don't want those, it's just that I didn't have enough time to download them. There were so many

Jacob Obrecht
William Byrd
Tavern
Ockeghem
Telemann
Hildegard Von Bigen
Muzio Clementi Tomas Luis De Victioria Josquin Des Prez
Thomas Tallis

Unfortunately I did not get these, and there were maybe 1 or 2 I forgot to write down.

>>74711383
>Tavern
John Taverner.

Not gonna lie, common practice period stuff sounds pretty tame and lacking in some of the more subtle complexities/variations compared to the 20th century stuff even before the 12 tone/post-modern stuff now that I have listened to so much of more "recent" stuff in classical. Even Bach sounds straightforward as fuck, almost like I am listening to some catchy radio pop.

>>74712004
lol

>>74712004
rofl

>>74711170
plebe

>>74712004
lol

rec music for drunk moods

>>74712004
>muh modes

learn to appreciate subtlety brainlet. Bach does everything those composers do just on a geological timescale your puny unmusical brain can't follow.

>>74712874
Not at all. Bach's rhythms are too samey, with variations being very occasional like when he does that sorta trill thing that's in like everything he has ever made. Lets not even forget how samey his chord progressions are, too to the extent where he has a signature one. His counterpoint isn't honestly THAT creative because it's always one melody that's just doing straight up quarter/eighth notes usually and another that's doing some slightly more variable stuff rhythmically. This isn't even getting into how lacking in dynamics his music in general is.

>>74712945
yeah he should drown out his incompetency with dynamics like Chopin. Oh wait he has no incompetency.

>>74712839
meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48viAGu9TY

>>74713046
slower pls

>>74709319
Thanks

>>74703634
lol no, I'm not gay and I actually like classical music

>>74713008
Are you autistic? What in the world made you think I like Chopin when I was focusing on saying that everything common practice is lacking in my first post that you responded to?

now i understand why people enjoy arvo part's music
you have to be drunk to enjoy it

>>74713532
>not liking Chopin

spotted the mindlet

How do you guys deal with zhe hzge amount of material out there? I want to listen to some less known composers but I always end up going back to Beethoven or Bach, hell i barely even listen to romantic music anymore. I used to listen to far more but now it just seems like Rachmaninoff is repetitive, Svorak is bland, Mendelssohn is boring etc.
Maybe I should try out some more Schubert.

>>74714807
Follow your inclination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJaXP49YQ5s

>>74714807
I usually deal with the huge amount of material by crying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjn4z03WetQ

>>74694615
this

Good peices to have rough sex to?

No contemporary stuff

>>74715914
Get the fuck out of this thread.

>>74691711
But I want to be a sissy

If anyone has Prokofiev - Violin Sonata No. 2 in D Major, Op. 94a (Szigeti, Hambro) I would love to know. I can't find it anywhere.

>>74716193
maybe you can find it on r u t r a c k e r

>>74716631
It's not on rutracker, it's not on demonoid. I don't have access to red, after fucking what.cd went down.

Un Sospiro on harp is good feels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4qD30h6tdc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZX_XCYokQo

One of the most sublime things I've ever heard and seen in classical music.

>>74716834
wow, bernstein looked better as an older guy

>>74716884
I like how he sounds like every stereotypical talk show host of that time period lol.

>>74716797
Damn the harp gives it a slight Chinese-y vibe. Now I want to hear it on a Guzheng. Thanks for sharing this, anon.

>>74713935
>awkwardy glissandros into desired key

>>74714807
>See a suggested youtube video by someone you don't know
>Just click on it
>Rinse and repeat

It's how I found about Sergei Lyapunov (i'd recommend listening to him), as well as a few others. It's also the way I found out that Billy Joel (with the help of an arranger) has composed some classical music.

first time i see a /classic/ survive american power hours

>>74717072
you must be incredibly new here

>>74717072
what are american power hours?

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>>74716884
Wrong.

>>74717417
I think you're proving my point for me, anon

>>74717288
I think he means at night when most of the Americans are sleeping.

>>74717417
He looks pretty damn good for an older guy here. Tbh though, I think he looked really hansom in his younger days too.

>>74717428
or day when all americans are posting.

becuase they have shit taste and probably don't post in /classical/

>>74703336
He was a fucking genious

>>74717611
as an american, my shit taste doesn't stop me from posting here

>>74717611
/classical/ is an American General.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pJPTRQIivc

>>74718143
you misspelled Mongolian general
https://youtu.be/NQkrsdjJB2s?t=9m34s

Was it autism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

>>74718235
why is this so unpleasant to listen to?

>>74718270
Because you're a pleb

>>74718270
>>74718339
after further research, I like it better when it's not being played by someone with hammers for fingers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIOXyYH6qPA

Mendelssohn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfeVaK0yeM

>>74718270
Because is a meme

>>74718565
Ugorski looks like a comedy pianist, as if he is about to play using his butt. Probably why he is underrated. His Scriabin and Messiaen are pretty great.

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>>74718270

>>74719249
Based

reminder that this is the best classical music website https://classicalmusiconly.com

>>74720516
don't you mean
http://www.ourchopin.com/
?

>>74718270
he takes the "trill at the end of a cadence" meme too far

Yo /classical/, /lit/ here. What do you think about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx4CZ7WRRvc

>>74721711
We can't really understand Italian music, sorry. Do you have an English arrangement?

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>>74691711
>baroque
>innocuous, glorified background noise that does not elicit any feeling or emotion and serves as the classical equivalent of E L E V A T O R M U S I C

>>74721711
Yikes.

Literally perfection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_xvsH_EDk

>>74706807
lol I love this meme

Not necessarily classical, but I figured this would be the best place to ask. Is there a certain period and/or nation where pieces akin to this were somewhat common? I've heard stuff like this and always loved every second of it and I need more. Help pl0x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEXAvogaAo

>>74721873
Baroque has quite a lot of feeling though senpai. At least it's better than that sterile classical crap.

>>74693829
are you sorry?

>>74722209
link this "sterile classical crap" you speak of.

>>74721711
Sciarrino is great, his Macbeth and Lohengrin are worth hearing too.

>>74722329
>redoing Lohengrin but making it shorter and putting a lame twist on it

>>74722157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2wtmQkvX7A

You're a pleb btw

>>74721873
This, /thread

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Take opium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An8AmXF45GI
anyone know the music in this video?

>>74722737
just some pseudo-chopinesque Jap easy listening mango music. trash desu

>>74721873
muh feels

>>74722737
Wow, that video is creepy.

>>74722338
Lohengrin could do without people saying "Ilsa von Brabant" over and over for an hour in the first act.

>>74722235
no

why should I need learn intervals?

>>74723778
You don't need to learn anything but you should learn intervals.

>>74723778
so you can impress your friends by blowing two beer bottles at different levels and saying which interval it is

>>7472377
Assuming you want to compose that's like king why you should learn perspective when learning to draw.

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he knew

Just picked up a physical copy of Schoenburgs Fundamentals of Musical Composition. What am I in for

>>74709570
it sounds gay as fuck tho

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>>74724042
post rare beethovens

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>>74722707
Don't listen to this pseudo Franco faggot

Drink and submerge yourself into dreams

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rare schubert

Soler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY16l7AIXFY

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>purchase live opera recording
>no english libretto
>*cough*

>>74724993
>english libretto
>no original language libretto
Pleb

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How does a /jp/boy into classical? I listen to Chopin and Bach sometimes.

>>74725809

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQAOfpYRu8

What does it say about me if I love classical and also like Thomas Bergersen's stuff?

I don't know why but sometimes he reminds of Vivaldi for some reason.

>>74722256
Literally all of it.

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>>74725809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdwdgCwIgI

Just finished watching the 2006 Bayreuth Tristan and wow it was awful. Only redeeming factor was Stemme and she had some off-moments.

>>74727167
Yeah, Bayreuth has been a shit-show in terms of singing for, well, decades. Hell, it isn't just the singing that's awful, but the cringy productions as well. Richard would be turning in his grave seeing what his descendants have done to the place.

>>74726754
do you listen to baroque exclusively

>>74724580
>>74724516
what a negro

>>74727376
Yes 90% of the time all the time.

>>74699458
Apparently Mozart could have become the greatest violinist in Europe, had he wanted it. Even while keeping it as a side instrument, he was still among the top virtuosos of his time.
Beethoven could play all of his cello compositions by himself, although his technique was as sloppy as his piano technique (he never played it in public, though).
Hindemith was a virtuoso with no concert instrument, but he could play all of them proficiently.
As someone else noted, Paganini was a great violin virtuoso.
Harold Bauer started as a violin virtuoso, then switched to piano.

Also it's not technically an instrument, but Tchaikovsky and Saint-Saens were excellent ballet dancer, and were particularly good at imitating ballerinas (apparently they had a legendary 3-hour ballet duel, with Anton Rubinstein accompanying at the piano).

>>74727951
>Mozart could have become the greatest violinist in Europe, had he wanted it.

Highly doubt this. His concertos are nice, but his weakest violin writing and I can't really think of anything in his sonatas that is that demanding. He was probably 'good' in the smooth parlor style that the nobility liked.

By comparison, Bach's solo violin writing is absolutely outrageous. Pretty much the Paganini caprices of his day, and I'd argue even more rigorous in some ways.

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>>74724505

>>74727951
>>74728090
he preferred playing the viola to the violin iirc
Keller suggests that the viola parts in his quintets were written for himself

another notable multi-talented individual: Enescu, violinist, pianist, cellist, and conductor.

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>>74724505

>>74727951
>Paganini was a great violin virtuoso
ya don't say

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Any essays or articles that elaborate on the theory Rautavaara's music? I find it odd there isn't much on the topic of Rautavaara's harmony since it is so incredibly rich and distinctive.

https://www.strawpoll.me/13774745

https://www.strawpoll.me/13774745

https://www.strawpoll.me/13774745

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>>74729072
Fucking seriously?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyy38weNZuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFjxmHqNtyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHOA1lTTPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFkAr32HOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11b0wqTvhzg

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>>74724505

>>74727951
that ballet duel sounds like the gayest thing ever

>tchaik
oh.

>>74729496
>dance of the sugar plum fairy

>>74729496
>Saint Saens

Double oh

>>74725134
There's no point in having the original language libretto if you can't understand it.

>>74728578
Or alternatively could a theoryfag cynically explain his "bag of tricks" reducing it to something like Messiaen's Modes of Limited Transposition?

>>74730283
Messiaen and Rautavaara suck

>>74730283
Reading an interview with Rautavaara:

"I think that the twelve tempered tones are the music-vocabulary of this century, but the question is the organization of that vocabulary. That is the great question, and my solution was to seek a synthesis of this modernism and tonal harmony, and to use personal variations of the 12-tone technique. That kind of organization did not have anything to do with that of Schoenberg or Webern, but was my way of organizing those twelve tones in a way which led me to use the harmony in the way I wanted. That was maybe the reason why I started to seek for a synthetic style. For instance, in the beginning of the 7th Symphony, there goes on a series of minor chords for six or seven pages, but the roots of those chords follow a 12-tone row. So I have both my beloved harmony and I have that vocabulary. That is very typical for my work."

http://www.bruceduffie.com/rautavaara.html

There's a brief analysis of his 8th symphony here:
http://www.joshuawilliammills.com/writings/Mills2016_timbre_and_analysis.pdf

>>74730642
shit taste

When you're sick of music, what are some pieces that never fail to please you?

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>>74731798
Always skip the first prelude from the first book though - it fails to please me

>>74732128
fuck off

>>74731798
Gluck, Orfeo ed Eurydice

>>74731318
thanks m80

Hello opera fans, here is tonight's forgotten bel canto hit, a frequently cut trio from the now disused Maria Malibran version of I puritani. Hard to imagine Bellini sounding any better than this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLYBC4-eJM

>>74719377
yeah his messaien is way better than austbo

>>74732669
Bellini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNMCUmIkNc

>>74731798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9720R8IStzo

>>74732889
Sorry, but I don't love this clip... nice timbre but her wobble is too big for my taste!
Have a different Bellini opera, I Capuleti e i Montecchi, this one with DiDonato, Netrebko, and Polenzani from about 10 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHW2ujnaoLs

Some highlights from part 1 of 2

I love the overture, especially at 3:15 and onward. It sounds so friendly, upbeat and fun despite being in an opera where both the leads die by suicide, and then at 3:47 it gets even catchier.

Tebaldo [=Tybalt] gets a beautiful aria and cabaletta from 12:55 to like 20 mins in

Romeo and Juliet get a wonderful scene from 46:25 for more than 12 minutes afterward, the climax is from like 59:00 to 1:02:30

There's much more to love if you listen to it all

Liszt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO1bP_hBwzk

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Which is the best vocal register and why is it bass baritone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWPiNt8J3I4

> Barneyfag photoshopped ponies into a highly visible OP pic and not a single reeeeee
Huh. Really makes me think. we're back into the pony era boyz

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>>74690718
> Tfw retarded but can still enjoy classical unlike normies

Who /sophisticated/ here

>>74735051
that picture of Bach has done the rounds so much it couldn't possibly get a reaction

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>>74735114
Barneyfag is inexhaustable without fail.
Guess he has shit taste and linkin park and barney theme songs are enough to satisfy, pleb probably doesn't even like Octavia.

I actually did a quick google reverse image search, the pic isn't registered despite a bright pink stripe so it might even be brand new.

Ragtime still on the fence of being classical also due to not being anything at all. gonna check MEGA.

>>74734646
For males it's Heldentenor and for females it's mezzo-soprano. Bass-baritone is up there though.

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>>74735092
> Entire music collection consists of old video game OSTs and classical
> 98% of other and mainstream music fucking sucks
Thank god. not missing anything anyway

>>74735163
The pic isn't new. It's been posted before.

>>74735278
Source?

>>74735298
how new are you? I've seen that image here years and years ago

>>74735382
Oh so google should find it easily right?

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>>74735382
Google finds it.
one result on all 10 pages.
it's this thread. /mu/ also has a thread archive it probs would've pick up on.

Don't think I don't know how to WEEEEEN em out!

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Thoughts?

http://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/latest/great-women-composers/

>>74735497
you'll have to lower your expectations here

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>>74735382
You be demons john.

>>74735497
> women have made a significant contribution which has often been overlooked.
did they actually or is this going to be a lowering standards thing

>>74735275
>old video game OSTs
Opinion discarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLd3ELuqtQ

>>74735497
we wuz composers n sheit

>>74734646
>>74735262
you guys misspelled extremely low bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIJvexzeSNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6gVn6qwAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmCGPXoEdig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4TbjI4F74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46g_MdBm1z4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muj7yAbwcvc

>>74736994
>not "omg we were like so totally composers and shit bae"

>>74735497
Literally who: the list

>>74737853
stay mad bigot