Common complaints about music tastes from normalfags

>dude fuck off back to your cave, no one cares about your autism music

>>74688820
Is it safe to say there might be a consistent correlation between playing an instrument and liking more, for lack of a better term, avant-garde music? I've noticed that it's the people that don't play instruments that insult my music tastes

>>74688880
There is a stronger correlation between lack of social skills/self-esteem/confidence and listening to avant-garde music.

>>74688929
That wasn't always the case. Back in the day avant-garde composers were drowning in pussy, even the ugly ones like Morton Feldman.

>>74688798
>where is the melody

legitimate criticism since you're probably listening to some crap post-rock

>>74688988
What the fuck are you talking about?
Post-rock is the most melodic thing among /mu/core.

>>74688988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0cwq-C77g
this is the song that led to that comment

>boring
>dadrock
>overrated
>everyone likes this, it's /mu/core/RYM top 100/etc. so it sucks
>*insert genre* is for children/neckbeards/autists/etc.

>>74689012
>Post-rock is the most melodic thing among /mu/core.

lol this is the dumbest shit ive ever read

>>74689043
welp, plebs gonna pleb i guess

>"where's the words anon, don't you have anything you can can sing along to?"

>>74689085
Get cancer and die retarded piece of shitcunt with down syndrome.

>>74688880
No, i went to college for music(ya i know, sue me.) A lot of people in my department listened to top 40 and entry level classical. It really just depends. Also define play an instrument.

>>74689111
You sure got that cool 4chan attitude down. Well done.

>>74689111
I'll take downs over shit taste any day.

>>74689119
Play an instrument: verb and adjective

meaning: playing an instrument

Stupid cunt

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>>74688798
>electronic music isn't real music

>>74689209
So angry for no reason. Jesus. Also, normies can play instruments sometimes. Its not just one side or the other.

>>74689211
Only old peoples say this

>>74689607
I know and it annoys me. I even meet older musicians who say it and I don't understand how they can think that way

>I like the beat

the most crushing insult you can be given

>>74689788
Are they playing an instrument, or just prerecorded sound?

>>74689908
Even if it's prerecorded it is still music and it required the use of an instrument (drum machine, sampler, DAW, etc) to create
there are a lot of shitty DJs but there are an equal or greater number of shitty guitarists

>>74689043
thats a nice track ty for sharing

>>74688798
>anon the music on your phone is too indie!
>you're such a hipster
i don't even listen to much "indie rock". i think it's because i wear glasses most of the time.

>this isn't music, it's just interviews of rape victims
>this isn't music, it's just the sound of a guy having sex with a corpse
>this isn't music, it's just horrifying recordings of people being murdered while still on the line to 911
>this isn't music, it's just a recording of the ramblings of a mad man about how he's going to kill everyone

Honestly I just don't know how to deal with plebs.

>>74689988
>it is still music
But music is made by instruments
>drum machine, sampler, DAW
Only one of these is an instrument
>guitars
Who said anything about guitars?

>>74690072
How is that music?

>>74690072
this, every time I try to show a filthy hedonistic plebeian my favorite album "pseudoscorpion" or a classic like "buyers market" I get weird looks. like what the heck man? Whats wrong with these lower class cretins? Dont they know what good music sounds like BAKA @ them

>>74690083
Hi, grandpa, what are you doing in this site?

>>74690072
this but completely unironic

>>74690083
>>74689908
a lot of electronic music is based around sound design, aka making original sounds using synths.

bye dad.

>>74688880
Probably, but only the talentless musicians who can't play for shit so they somehow try to redeem themselves by making bullshit noise and tell people IT'S AMBIENT AVANT GARDE YOU JUST DON'T GET IT

>>74690107
Marketing my music to people like you

What are you doing here? This is an 18+ site
>>74690127
not all sound is music though

>>74690139
yeah but you make music using sounds. oh and using daws etc is a skill on it's own that requires knowledge and practice.

>>74690168
>yeah but you make music using sounds
You mean instruments.
>oh and using daws etc is a skill
Yes sound engineering is a skill. But we are talking about music composition, not sound engineering.

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>>74690139

>NoT ALl sOUnD iS MuSIc

>>74690181
explain how a synth is not an instrument

>>74690139
I disagree, actually. Sound and music are fundamentally interchangeable, the only difference is how they are perceived.

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>>74690198
leave

>>74690181
>guitar makes sound
>synth makes sound

>>74690206
When did I say it wasn't?
>>74690212
>Sound and music are fundamentally interchangeable
Do you think running water from a faucet is music?

>>74690221
>anon makes strawman

>>74690216
Why did you tell him to go to reddit for using a black twitter meme?

>>74690222
music can be made using and arranging any sound thats what I was implying.

>>74690222
>Do you think running water from a faucet is music?
Why can't it be music? Just how close-minded are you?

>>74690222
Yes. What is the distinction between music and sound, in your view?

>>74690136
you clearly don't know what ambient is

>>74690252
Because it's not played on an instrument.
>>74690247
See above.
>>74690265
Well, it needs to be a creative organization of musical notes, played on an instrument.

>>74690309
Would you define vocals as an instrument?

>>74690328
Sure

>>74690309
why does it need to be played on an instrument? why can't I just arrange sounds of different pitches ? That's what you do when you make music with an instrument anyways.

>>74690083
If you use a DAW to create music, you are creating music with instrumental sounds. The sounds in those are either recorded from or made to sound like the sounds created from instruments. Since the definition of music calls for instrumental sounds, music made in a DAW is music.

>>74690336
What about music played on glassware? Is glassware an instrument?

>>74690364
Is mayonnaise an instrument?

>>74690309
instrument, n.- a tool or implement

A computer is a tool.
A faucet is a tool. Its original purpose may not be to create sound, but it does so nonetheless.

Also, what is a "musical note"? How do the frequencies of musical notes differ from the frequencies of non-musical sounds?

>>74690375
B-but it's a serious question...

>>74690377
But is mayonnaise an instrument?

>>74690339
Why are you so upset that music is made on an instrument, by definition? I'm not attacking you personally here.
>why can't I just arrange sounds of different pitches
How are you doing it?
>>74690349
>If you use a DAW to create music, you are creating music with instrumental sounds
No, you aren't. It already existed; you are just creating a playlist or tampering with the soundwaves.
>>74690364
Is it filled with varying amounts of water?
>>74690377
>Also, what is a "musical note"?
Oh I see, you don't know music theory
>How do the frequencies of musical notes differ from the frequencies of non-musical sounds?
Already answered this

>>74690393
>>74690375
no but you can make music from the sounds you can make with it.

>>74690412
Then why can't you make music with a faucet?

>>74690412
So I can record myself fucking a jar full of mayonnaise and call it music?

>>74690222
Imagine a event where a rock is falling from a cliff, making noise as it goes. That collision may have some obscure rhythm, beat, and notes as the rock falls.

>>74690406
>No, you aren't. It already existed; you are just creating a playlist or tampering with the soundwaves.
So if I create a song in a DAW purely via synthesis with no sampled sounds, it's not music?

>>74690439
Still sounds better than EDM

>>74690430
sounds pretty patrish. mind if I nick this idea?

>>74688880
No, actual musicians like well formed normal songs with good productions. Autistic people who learned with justin guitar are into avant-memes.

>>74690439
It wasn't a creative endeavor, so no, it's not music. it's just a sound.
>>74690448
>So if I create a song in a DAW
How did you do it? Did you use random presets?

>>74690455
I can fuck you too if you want. But daddy has to have his happy mayo fun time first.

>>74690469
>How did you do it? Did you use random presets?
What are VSTis?

>>74690375
The thing is that it's an instrument if you make it one.

>>74690406
tampering with soundwaves is literally (literally) all you do when you play Music on an Instrument

Please explain to me how creating a sound wave using an Instrument is fundamentally different from creating a sound wave with a computer because I sure haven't seen a good answer yet.

>>74690469
ok, who the fuck ACTUALLY uses presets except for children and normalfags?

>>74690406
Are you suggesting that an instrument that only has one note is still not an instrument, what about drums, tambourines, almost anything percussion?

>>74690512
Win Butler

>>74690534
drums can have varying pitches moron

>>74690406
>>74690430
You can put the sounds a door makes (opening, closing, etc) put them in a daw, mess with the sound a little bit, and arrange the sounds into a song. How is this less legitimate than using a guitar or something? It doesn't have to sound like muh-avant garde shit, you can make normal, poppy music like this.

>>74690424
You could if you kept turning the faucet on and off with some beat.

>>74690549
ok genius tell me how a hat or a tambourine can have a pitch

>>74690503
>What are VSTis?
it is a type of signal processing tool used in digital audio workstation
>>74690534
>what about drums, tambourines, almost anything percussion?
You can play multiple notes on these instruments.
>>74690510
>Please explain to me how creating a sound wave
The sample itself (original source) is music. A manipulation of it via a tool tat is not an instrument is just sound.

>>74690430
It may not be good music, but sure. If it has progression and beat then sure.

>>74690560
So I can turn my mayonnaise fetish into art?

>>74690591
I mean yeah why not.

>>74690469
What if then a guy threw the rock of the cliff and recorded the rock going down for a natural feel?

>>74690577
>paint is art, a manipulation of it via a paintbrush is just colors
"b-but a paintbrush is a tool designed for the manipulation of paint"
...and a DAW is a tool designed for the manipulation of sound.

Why are you so adamant about this?

>>74690602
it would be sound, not music

>>74690577
>The sample itself (original source) is music. A manipulation of it via a tool tat is not an instrument is just sound.
Alright, so if I shove a traffic cone into a sax, which manipulates it's sound, and play a piece, it's not music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBhxBBa7tE

>>74690549
But what about the one's that don't.

>>74690613
>paint is art
You mean a *painting* is art. Paint is just a tool to create art
>>74690619
>and play a piece
Are you playing a musical instrument called a saxophone?

>>74690599
What about fucking my Patrick Star real doll over a loop of Spongebob singing the fun song?

>>74690637
Sound is just a tool to create music, fool.

>>74690577
>he sample itself (original source) is music. A manipulation of it via a tool tat is not an instrument is just sound.
I guess using a capo makes the guitar not an instrument.

>>74690637
>Are you playing a musical instrument called a saxophone?
Yeah, I am playing a sax but the sound is being manipulated by a non-instrument, so, according to your logic, the sounds that I produce isn't music, right?

>>74688798
>where is the melody
everyone that says this doesn't know what melody is

>>74690637
If you put a mouth piece onto it and made a sound that could be controlled, then you would be playing the traffic cone. Musical instruments are not limited.

>>74690655
A hammer is a tool used to create a stool. Yet a hammer is not a stool, is it?
>>74690673
>I am playing a sax
Then you are playing a musical instrument, and are thus making music
>>74690665
Oh does a capo produce a pre recorded sound?
>>74690688
Not what anon is asking.

>>74688798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CyLWOWz5uc

hey guys is this music?

>>74690637
just got into this thread and can't bother to read it all, but you're not thinking right. saxophone is an instrument because it vibrates on certain specific frequencies when clicked right, which we call notes. i can make an instrument out of a fucking pen if i want to, as long as i find a way of making it vibrate at whatever rate i want it to. hell i can even amplify it and play it live.
music can be anything, music is everyone's to use and abuse, if it doesn't appeal to you, the don't listen to it, but why bother defining music in a way it's comfortable for you?

>>74690698
>Then you are playing a musical instrument, and are thus making music
Did you even bother reading the rest of my post? You said that if you manipulate an original source via something that isn't an instrument, what is produced cannot be considered music. So, if the traffic cone is manipulating the sax's sound, and the traffic cone isn't an instrument, then, by your own logic, the sounds produced aren't music?

>>74690730
>just got into this thread and can't bother to read it all
>but I'm sure you are wrong
kek

>>74690698
I'd rather be hammer than nail.

>>74690698
>Oh does a capo produce a pre recorded sound?
Irrelevant.

>>74690738
>Did you even bother reading the rest of my post?
I don't read things that are irrelevant.
>and the traffic cone isn't an instrument, then, by your own logic, the sounds produced aren't music?
Nice backpedling
>>74690762
Then that's a nice strawman you got there

>>74690740
>>74690730
He didn't even have to read the thread to prove that you're a stubborn brainlet.

>>74690792
>things just are because I say they are!!
Sound familiar?

>>74690430
somebody did this with a corpse

>>74690817
Dude enough talk Emmanuel Macron's sex life.

>>74690779
>I don't read things that are irrelevant.
>Calls other post strawman
That's a nice strawman you got there

>>74690779
>I don't read things that are irrelevant.
Can't come up with a proper counter-argument?

>>74690842
How so?

Anon's example was playing the saxophone. End of story. What is attached to it is irrelevant. If you dampen a drum head wit a towel, you are still playing drums.

>>74690859
Is a towel an instrument?

>>74690857
Not needed. See >>74690859

Perhaps anon should have said he was playing the cone, not the sax.

Get a better argument and come back to me.
>>74690870
No it's a towel

>>74690510
This has yet to be properly answered. As long as you can create sounds of varying frequencies and arrange them I don't see why it can't be music.

>>74690877
Is the towel manipulating the sound of the drums?

>>74690882
This one time, at band camp, I stuck a flute up my pussy.

>>74690882
It's not because "tampering" is not organizing
>>74690886
Yes?

>>74690877
>Perhaps anon should have said he was playing the cone, not the sax.
He is not playing the cone, because the cone isn't the object that's making the sound. He is playing the sax which is being manipulated by the cone.

>>74690907
>He is playing the sax which is being manipulated by the cone.
Incorrect. Anon is manipulating the sax by pressing down the keys and blowing trough the mouthpiece

>>74690900
>Yes?
Then those sounds produced by the drums aren't music because the sound of the drum (an instrument) is being manipulated by a towel (a non-instrument).

>>74690943
Incorrect. You are playing the drums, not the towel.

>>74690934
So you're telling me that a sax would sound exactly the same with and without a huge cone attached to it?

>>74690952
Is my penis an instrument?

>MBV
>don't play this anon. band name sounds emo like Tokio Hotel

>>74690955
Not relevant

thank you for showing me yet again that 4chan is the worst place to discuss art theory

>this "MUH INSTRUMENTS" guy has baited all of you into 50+ replies

holy shit, he's either trolling, retarded, or like 70 years old, stop fucking replying to him

people who haven't moved on from the "music requires real instruments" mindset belong back in the 1920s

>>74690989
Is your mom's left tit an instrument?

>>74690952
My point exactly. You are playing the drums and the towel is changing the sound of the drums (dampening it). And since the sound is changed via a non-instrument the sounds produced aren't considered music?

>>74690979
How so?

>>74691014
Is Donald Trump an instrument?

>>74690989
all me btw

>>74690999
Since you are playing the drums, not specifically the towel, it is music

If you just played a towel, then it's most likely not an instrument
>>74691014
>I can;t prove him wrong so he's just an idiot!@
Sure
>>74691023
Why would it be?

>>74691044
Is cancer an instrument?

>>74691044
>Since you are playing the drums, not specifically the towel, it is music
Yes, but the towel is changing the sound of the drums so it isn't music,

>>74691073
Is Aleppo an instrument?

>>74691044
>Why would it be?
Why would it not be?

>>74691073
Why? Is a guitar no longer an instrument if you run it through a fuzz pedal?

Not understanding your logic here

>>74691105
I'm simply applying the logic mentioned here >>74690577

>>74691115
Is logic an instrument?

>>74691127
Is instrument?

>>74691138
Is instrument an instrument?

>>74691149
Is minstruint na instrnemt ?

>>74691156
Is gibberish an instrument?

>>74691115
Faulty comparison.

You are playing an instrument in the sax comparison while simultaneously manipulating it.

You are not playing a sample, because it is a sample. Someone else played it. You are only manipulating it

>>74691189
Is manipulating it an instrument?

>>74691189
So if i were to record every note of a piano, and then rig a keyboard to each of the notes that I sampled, am I not making music if I play this keyboard?

>>74689106
SO MUCH THIS

>>74689211
related to that one
>all you have to do is push buttons

>>74690031
check out that album and Technodelic, also by Yellow Magic Orchestra if you're at all interested

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>tries to create a relateable thread
>unrelated flamewar starts

>>74691760
Is flamewar an instrument?

>>74691779
I don't even know at this point to be honest

>>74689211
But it isn't though

>>74692342
>inb4 somebody makes a composition out of this flamewar

>>74691197
No it's a manipulation
>>74691249
Are you playing the notes of your keyboard like you were a piano, using music theory? Or are you just sampling a note?

>>74691466
Hey now. There's also turning knobs.

>>74688798
>>where is the melody
I've never heard a normie use the word "melody"
They always just say "beat" to describe everything.

>>74693844
>I like the beat

But, yo Anon is right sound isn't music. Music is played on an instrument. The rest of that discussion turned janky.