How long will it be before society truly "gets" this album?

when will the trout mask replica is at all inaccessable meme die

>>74660025
you don't know what accessible means

>>74660025
It's one of the least accessible albums ever made. It's been 50 years since it came out and it's still pissing off and confusing people.

>>74660009
Hopefully never

>>74660091
that's just iromic shitposting though

>>74660099
It really isn't.

You're in over your head you're blissfully unaware of how much you're in over your head. Maybe consider it a blessing.

>>74660091
>It's one of the least accessible albums ever made.

It's a very accessible album, what are you talking about? It was one of my favorite albums while I was still in middle school.

>>74660009
Our little secret

>>74660025
>>74660099
>>74660352
If you're actually serious, I'm sad to advise you to go out more.

there's nothing to "get", this album just fucking sucks. let me just lay that out for you. anyone who disagrees is just in denial.

>>74660708
You better lay out the reasons for your opinion. I'm sure we'll see a thesis on polyrhythms and timbre of instruments in a few minutes.

>>74660725
Just because it's complicated doesn't mean it's good. There's a term for this, and let me remind you of it: delusional artist. It's just a collection of meme-licks on the guitar and musicians making music that's whacky for the sake of whackyness.

>>74660758
>It's just a collection of meme-licks on the guitar and musicians making music that's whacky for the sake of whackyness.
At least you're half creative in your shitposting.

>>74660778
Why would you say this album is good? What's good about it on a non-technical aspect of music? What I said holds true for 99% of people who have made the mistake of listening to this shitstain and I really can't say any more than that the other 1% just wants to like it really badly so they are the minority that like something whacky.

I'm actually really serious into why there is actually anything to like about this album, because I've listened to it many times and every time it just seemed like a big joke to me.

>>74660808
The musicians developed new techniques for their instruments (finger pick on a bass, steel picks for guitars, prepared drums with cardboard) while practising for roughly 12 hours a day and enduring psychological abuse from Don throughout the rehearsals and the recording process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tCLPL8otMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4krCIQTr4dc
A man ignorant of music theory composed works of this rhythmic complexity with the help of other band members, especially John French. In MIDI, some songs are very pleasant without the "right" timbre. Don't forget that this isn't free improvisation, these songs have scores and are performed by the Magic Band even today. They clearly saw the vision and the genius of Don and did their best to help im fulfill it and make an artistic statement.

It's just weird because Beefheart is singing like a drunk hippie, but that's really the only part that makes it kinda inaccessible. Many songs use accessible blues riffs and follow pretty regular song structures, bar some songs that go full math-rocky.
It's not any more inaccessible than other scarufficore like say Lorca or Rock Bottom that make more use of avant-garde/free jazz influence than Beefheart, also blend it with unusual vocals, but don't follow regular song structures at all.

>>74660916
>Rock Bottom
Extensively characteristic of Robert Wyatt's style and the free jazz sax sections achieve exactly what he wanted - utter despair and perhaps a mental breakdown. You are correct though, even with those brief free jazz sections, the album is relatively inaccessible.

>>74660865
these are really interesting to listen to
after watching fantanos review i did notice how loud beefhearts voice in the mix is - kinda hoping they rerelease with it much quieter

>>74660758
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad.

kys retard

>>74660989
>After watching Fantano's review
You messed it up.

>>74660916
I wouldnt call rock bottom inaccessible, the sound is pretty smooth and nice to listen to.

>>74660989
>expecting a rerelease of a 50 year old album

>>74661051
>What are remasters?
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/captain-beefheart-and-his-magic-band/trout-mask-replica-28/

>>74661051
they literally just rereleased wild honey (1967) so that the stereo is actually listenable

>>74660865
Now I really need a trancription of Pachuco Cadaver.

>>74660091
least accessible rock albums*

The definitive pleb filter. I love how worked up hiphop and indie kids get trying to prove to others that this album isn't worth their time while they think Danny Brown and Tame Impala constitute good "experimental" music.

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>>74660865
the rhythm on Moonlight on Vermont is obviously wrong - a testament to how poorly standard musical notation describes syncopated playing if anything

now, the real value of Trout Mask is that it's a really polished version of essentially outsider music - it captures some very intuitive and rough writing from Beefheart who composed it on a piano that he really hadn't played before, yet it was then meticulously rehearsed so the band could replicate it

then end result is an album that kind of sounds like it might be just an improvised blues freak out, but still has a more polished and refined quality to it that makes it a rare album of it's kind

this kind of clicked for me when I heard some of the outtakes from the Grow Fins box, like for example the before mentioned Pachuco Cadaver - the instrumental outtake is almost indistinguishable from the album https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3oOSZWr1qQ

maybe society has gotten it already - TMR is kind of like those Ikea toys made based on children's drawings desu

>>74660009
When will the "TMR is not just bland pop music" meme die?

This album sucks lmao

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>>74660758
>meme-licks

>>74663191
Maybe neither of you have a point.

>>74660009

There's nothing to get. The band clearly made it as joke so they could laugh at all you faggots reading into it too much.

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>>74660009

society already gets it

>>74666654
Yeah, band members submitted themselves to 12 hours of practising with constant psychological abuse while inventing new ways of playing their instruments just so that people on an anonymous image board can laugh at them. You got it!

>>74666652
Care to make one?

>>74666753

If you actually believe that, I don't know what to tell you

>>74666900
>band members submitted themselves to 12 hours of practising with constant psychological abuse
I suppose you can form a band which could perform works of that complexity with minimal rehearsal time. So, who are those people?
>while inventing new ways of playing their instruments
Guitars were played with steel picks, bass was played with a finger pick and drums were prepared with cardboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od0_LRNlE5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux8aNJPwNqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfVVbK4bA

>>74663638
This is, so far, the best, most accurate description of this album I've ever read. Its genius. I'm screencappin this.

>>74660009

not long. but as far as you and/i are concerned we will have been gone five times over

>>74663638
Just more proof of the fact that the Magic Band is one of the most accomplished and technically proficient "rock" bands.

>>74663638
>>74668310
https://youtu.be/Qy4lpTF-fk0
Even more polished today, although with different band members.

The album would be better if Zappa didn't fuck up the mix so badly.

i still don't understand it, explain why i should like this album.

>>74668431
>>74661071

>>74668565
>>74660865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhhB9teHqU

>>74668616
thank you for this

>>74660758
"I am aware that I don't get it but I'll keep shitposting anyway"

>>74668616
Listen to Moonlight on Vermont very loudly.

>>74669498
meant for
>>74668565

>>74669498
This.

Listen to how the two guitars rhythmically play off of one another between the left and right channels. The drumming on it, much like on a lot of other Beefheart songs, follow along with the guitars, so getting to know what both guitars are playing really enhances how rhythmic the song feels IMO.