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man, I've been waiting for like two days for a decent jazz thread to ask a question, so I guess I have to roll my own

in general today's topic will be jazz standards and especially Rhythm changes -tunes, so knock yourself out

so I've been listening to different recordings of Oleo and been wondering whether there's some logic to the key changes that are all over Grant Green's version from 1962:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deqVKkrRtRY

for those not in the know, Oleo uses the common "Rhythm changes" chords (i.e. chords based on Gershwin's I Got Rhythm), but Green's version changes keys several times even during the initial head instead of sticking to the usual

during the solos, the way the keys change in Green's version reminds me a lot of Giant Steps - is it basically using that same pattern to cycle through keys during the solos? the head sounds different though, is there some other method to that or is it just random ass modulation for the hell of it?

here's a straight-up, easy to follow version from Miles' Bag's Groove for reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IY29EZb1pI
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This is pretty fucking good
Give me some Jazz Fusion recs
Already listened to this and Bitches Brew
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>>74627366

Get Up With It is a hell of a place to get started with Miles - He Loved Him Madly is such a long and slowly developing starter track

you're probably best off checking other 70's Miles albums - Live at the Fillmore East, A Tribute to Jack Johnson, Live-Evil, On The Corner, Black Beauty, Agharta, Pangaea and Dark Magus

not a lot of fusion that goes to those murky, almost impenetrable waters Miles did, but check out Tony Williams Lifetime's Emergency and especially Live in New York 1969 that is even rawer and Larry Young's Lawrence of Newark and the Love, Cry Want -trios posthumous album with Young on organ
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bump with some more Oleo

for along time I had George Benson pegged as one of those sell-out CTI pop jazz guys not worth spending time on, but I'll be damned if he isn't one of the slickest cats ever to play standards on the guitar - check out this burning live take of Oleo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQlrjua6OQE
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please be nice george benson
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Rhythm changes bump - is there really zero interest in this tonight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Di_mswqhLU
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>>74627366
This is probably my favourite Miles album.

I agree with >>74627549 , check out more 70s Miles for the spacier, freer fusion sound. I suggest the ones he listed as well as In A Silent Way, as I feel it's the album most akin to Get Up With It.
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Also here's a classic rhythm changes tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMuItUv9xZc

a stunning 320bpm, but what else is new for Charlie Parker
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>>74629237
this is great - sounds like some motherfucking cartoon soundtrack at that speed
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Not strictly jazz, but this is probably the place most likely to get me an answer.
On an instrument like the trumpet, how can you get a different note while using the same valve combination?
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The Flintstones theme is the best rhythm changes song
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just posting Gershwin's I Got Rhythm here as a reference - in the bebop -period jazz musicians would often compose new melodies on top of chord changes from existing hits. While you could see this as an extension of jazz soloing on top of those changes as "instant composing", a big part of it was that you didn't have to pay roaylties for using the composition as a starting point of your jazz soloing since you can copywrite a song but not just the chords

the term for these "new melodies on top of common chords" is contrafact and maybe the most famous of these is I Got Rhythm, the contrafacts based on those chords being called "Rhythm changes" tunes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRiM5JvYx8
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>>74629330
I've never played the trumpet and googling for the answer shows weakness, but even with the saxophone you have to blow a little bit different for each different note in addition to the fingering, so I bet playing a clean note on the trumpet is a combination of fingering and blowing

a big part of why saxophone and trumpet became the major instruments of jazz was the control the musician has over the sound - you can play the same melody with a huge range of styles on both instruments just with technique alone
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>>74629330
Air speed
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Where can I find more artists/songs who have a mood like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6uE9h4_4pM
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>>74629745
Japan?

sounds like the kind of stuff that's plentiful over there
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>>74629859
Funny enough that song is actually from Japan.

I was just hoping for more specific names since it seems pretty hard to find Japanese music.
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What would you guys say is the best stuff Chet Baker released after his comeback in the 80s?
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>>74629975
the only late period Chet Baker I listen to regularly is Blåmann, Blåmann he did with Norwegian poet Jan Erik Vold recorded in February 1988 a few months before Baker's death because I love Vold's spoken word stuff even if I don't understand the language - there's probably something actually better though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2tqI2R0BKQ

maybe Blues for a Reason or Live at Ronnie Scott's?
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givin' my thread one more bump
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>>74627314
I don't remember if I've heard this version and can't listen to it now, but later I'll be interested to hear it.
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What's some essential third stream albums.

Just listened to MJQ third stream music and loved it, only listened to Black Saint besides that
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>>74629330
Partials. It's similar to overblowing on the saxophone. You essentially blow faster air and you get a bunch of overtones and shit. All brass instruments operate in this fashion.
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one dude at a shop I frequent recommended Joe McPhee's - Nation Time and I loved the fuckin' shit out of it

I picked up Trinity today, anything else I should look out for?
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>>74627769
>George Benson
ma nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVLkeUjy-Eg
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>>74629926

lmao it sounds like the Persona 5 soundtrack
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