How did Jazz turn into an all black genre?

>>74568447
>turn into
God I hate summer

Describe the evolution of jazz in the past 100 years in one sentence

It wasn't see .jpeg with Charlie and white men.

>>74568486
A fleeting response to an evolutionary prospect.

>>74568463
>>74568486
Literally nobody white makes jazz anymore.

I contend that the Negro is the creative voice of America, is creative America, and it was a happy day in America when the first unhappy slave was landed on its shores. - Duke Ellington

>>74568567
John Zorn

In any case it's not an issue

>>74568486
A new, improvisation-focused genre of music is born from the combinations of blues, marching band music, and Western art music in New Orleans and becomes pop music but eventually splinters out into various forms of art music while fusing with other musical styles along the way.

>>74569068
>but eventually splinters out into various forms of art music

How can it be improvised music and art music ?

>>74569068
boom.

>>74569118
didn't know they were mutually exclusive.

>>74569145
Of course they are, one of the defining characteristics of Western Art Music is the (pre) written notation.

>>74569168
That's idiotic though. Many of the greatest Western composers were famous improvisors and improvised extensively in their performances. Ever hear of an improvised cadenza?

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>>74569068

>>74569259
I don't make the definitions, blame musicologists and academia.

>>74569286
Anybody who promotes the idea (as you just did) is idiotic.

>>74569286
yet here you are enforcing it.

>>74569319
>>74569335
>universities, musicologists and academia are idiots
>teenage shutins on 4chan are right

>>74569392
You're welcome to argue their point instead of just calling people names.

>>74569409
I'm not him and there is nothing to argue.

>>74569392
the very notion of anything improvised can't be artistic is one of the dumbest thing I've ever read. I actually want you to provide a source for that because i'm having a very hard time believing anyone who understands artistic expression said that.

>>74568734
Zorn is jewish

>>74569392
Also please name three (3) respectable academic sources that state that "pre-written notation is one of the defining characteristics of Western art music."

>>74569459
bebop isnt artistic. charlie parker isn't a great musician. TIL

>>74568447
I don't know, because it didn't.

It's just an artifact of history. The majority of music that has survived any significant time has been music that has been notated and it survived because it was notated. Most of that music is then put in the vague category "western art music" because it survived. Even troubadour songs are usually classed as art music because they are in medieval manuscripts despite them being the pop songs of their day. Just another reason why "art music" is such an empty gesture.

>>74569570
Not to mention the fact that before the advent of recording technology, notating your music was pretty much the ONLY way to ensure that your music endured.

A lot of people seem to ignore how much technology changed things.

>>74569570
Yea, then recording became a thing. so now you can improvise and noodle into a mic and transcribe it later.
>>74569619
this.

>>74568567
????????

White jazz is pretty much bigger than it's ever been

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>>74569867
Bumping, because I'm still waiting on sources.

>>74569286
>>74569392
Nice appeal to authority

>>74568447
It happened after the whites got tired of playing it, walked away, and so the blacks picked up from where they left

>>74570477
>implying blacks didn't invent the music form itself.

>>74570507
That`s what I meant to say. English isn`t my native language so I messed it up
Blacks started it, whites picked it up, gave up, blacks went back at the forefront of the genre again

>>74570589
when were whites ever really at the forefront though?? They were sprinkled in there surely, but it's been a predominantly a black art scene. There's a reason why nazi germany banned jazz music. even tho underground jazz clubs flourished in spite of the nazi leaderships hatred for the music.

>>74570285
From me or from OP?

>>74571544
from >>74569168
sorry i tagged you one that one.

This is one of the most retarded threads I've seen on /mu/.

>>74570657
Whites have been at the forefront of certain styles and instruments piano the most obvious one

>>74570657
wouldn't be surprised if they were considered to be at the forefront desu considering the time (early 19th century).

>>74570657
whites were at the forefront in 1917 certainly, the first recorded jazz songs were super popular and played by white bands.
>>74573247
*early 20th century

>>74568567
like most of ecm is white, do you have no taste?

>>74573444
If you listen to ecm you don't

>>74569118

there is plenty of composed jazz

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It's not about black or white.
It's not about rich or poor.

It's about coming together and making beautiful music together. Which we can all do. We just have to believe :)