/classical/ Classical Music General

>I just want to talk about classical music
same

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Daily reminder that Mozart is a fiercely underrated CoC (composer of color).

>>74538824
Wagner is a CoCK
Composer of Color Killer (geddit? because he's racist)

>>74536929
Stockhausen looks so autistic in this picture.

Why did Bizet cram so many elaborate and completely pointless choral numbers into Carmen? Can someone please explain the meaning and purpose of 'avant la garde montante'?

Gershwin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZaxEC1Vho

Why do pianists always put ritardando at the end of the last Allegro part in Scriabin's 5th Sonata?
Here's 2 examples:
https://youtu.be/51PMgeEfTqs
Horowitz, 1.28: he slows it down considerably, and when the arpeggio kicks in he plays it considerably faster, even if there is no such indication on the score. So far I've noticed that almost every pianist does so, and I genuinely don't understand why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emYTG80B2vU
Hamelin, 10.47. He does not change the tempo (Richter almost doesn't change it either, he still plays the second part of these phrases considerably faster), and as a result this exceprt sounds far more glorious and trascendental. Of course he "ruins" it (to the extent where Hamelin can ruin something) by playing the ostinato chords that come after far too slowly.

wagner is a cuck

>>74539299
>what is phrasing

24/7 live stream of classical performances, operas, experimental film & more

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>>74540064
Bump

>>74538927
well, you know, He's German and all so...

>>74540040
I don't know, I'm asking.
Regardless, it is weird that they all phrase it in the same way, even if there is no such indication on the score. I'm not talking about specific interpreations, I've heard it in almost every pianist I've heard so far, and I've checked at least on 60 on them

>>74540030
He was the bull, he cucked Von Bulow.

>>74540451
I'm not very familiar with the piece but it seems like the idea behind it is that as there is an increase in harmonic tension, the tempo increases. And when there is a release or cadence it releases back to the normal tempo.

>>74540522
What bothers me is how slow people take the first part, everytime I year it played this way it never fails feel wrong to me.

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>>74536929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hggISFswKcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAu8KwQa7QY

>>74536929
I like... whats that guys name? andres segovia.

Is there some who did Bach level melodies/harmonies but actually had a sense for dynamics and didn't just use ideas based on rudimentary music theory? The dude's written some fantastic sounding stuff, but I wish his music actually had a sense of dynamics (though I understand why they are lacking) and he wasn't the equivalent of a top 40 pop radio music producer in terms of how safe he was in terms of keys/progressions used (which is also understandable). It's kinda baffling in a way considering how on top of his game he was when it came to counterpoint/polyphony.

>>74540601
Recorder players look legitimately retarded. I mean fuck, every gradeschooler has one of those

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Is there anything better than organ continuo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN8dVHgnZYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW67JLX49yQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGAEpnUSUEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vr-qxq-KnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWwjc--j5oI

Is Yuja Wangs paraphrase of Alla Turca fantastic or absolute trash? In any case, certainly interesting enough for a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJdzGLK3gfc

>>74541244
t. grade schooler

>>74541525
its a cool encore piece but not much more than that
she played it at a concert I went to

>>74541549
Yeah, I Imagine it being fitting for any situation involving the crowd standing up and leaving.

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What the fuck was his problem?

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Are these basically a safe starting point for any new composer? Is it a problem that they hardly ever list the meme albums we all know and love?

>>74541190
Bach was the postmodernist of his time.

>>74541525
All I know is she gives me a Yuja Wang

>>74541990
Weaponized Autism.

Fucking Rugs? Really?

>>74541190
Do you just not know anything about baroque music?

>>74540582
play it the way you feel it, there's no reason to follow an interpretation you don't agree with

>>74541990
He was a quiet boy in a loud world.

I just got into classical music, and I have a very basic question: is most common practice tonal music essentially a succession of triads with dissonances here and there?

Let's say that any composer lived from 1700 to 1850 is improvising a piece on a piano, the right hand does chords and the left hands does melody. Should I expect him most of the times to have an unison between the chord (usually triads trated in some sort of way) and the melody at all time? I mean, if one wants to play with consonances, does he have to costantly search for these sorts of unisons, avoiding this way dissonances? It seems weird to me that consonant music only allows 3 notes at a time. Of course I'm not underestimating the complexities that are related to this practice.

>>74541990
He composed truly beautiful piano music. He truly was the Mozart of the XX century avant-gards, no one like him was able to express beauty to this extent.

>>74542917
Also how does this apply to music written for more than 1 voices? Do fugue writers costantly fish for unisons too, or is there something I'm not understanding?

>>74542917
You might want to read up on 18th century voice leading practices. Basically you are correct that it emphasizes the movement of dissonance to consonance. Melodies are typically structured around notes in the chord that's under it, but go from one to another via dissonances. Composers typically find ways to prolong the dissonance as well (look up suspensions, appogiaturas, double neighbors). It's not that they avoided dissonance, it's just that it served a purpose.

>>74542936
Skim through this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint#Species_counterpoint

>>74542917
not even close
common practice music contains all kinds of cross-relations, passing tones, chromaticism, etc. etc. the difference is these elements are "prepared" so they don't sound shocking to the ear. one real limitation of common practice music is composers were keenly aware of key and conceptualized music in terms of modulations

>>74542917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui9pyxdVX6Y

>>74542936
>Do fugue writers costantly fish for unisons
hell no. In a fugue or any 3 part or 4 part counterpoint you avoid unisons like the plague. Sometimes you have 1 at a cadence, but its pretty rare.

Tonal music allows for much much more than 3 notes at a time. There are 2nds, 4ths, 6ths, 7ths, 9ths and a bunch of others. Things like passing notes, neighbour notes, suspensions and pedal notes allow you to get a lot of bang for buck out of one key. Not to mention altered chords, applied chords, mixture and a bunch of other techniques.
In tonal music you can essentially do whatever you want as long as it sounds good to you, and assuming you are a composer in a time when tonal music is considered to sound good.

Bach has a 6 part fugue and most of the time those 6 voices are all playing different notes, not even doubling up by playing octaves.

Many composers didn't even follow the 'rules' set out. Bach broke many rules. Gesualdo too.

>>74542917
Over any chord one has a choice of twelve notes to play, not three. The dissonances may be prepared or resolved as in an appoggiatura or suspension, they may form a more complex chord like the german/neopolitan (et al) 6ths.
Even 400 years ago dom7b9 were used.
Any note can be rationalised over any chord in common practice.

>Should I expect him most of the times to have an unison between the chord (usually triads trated in some sort of way) and the melody at all time?
Even factoring in grace notes, passing notes, appoggiatura etc I would say probably not. You could and I'm sure there are a number of examples of such but for the most part it would lack melodic interest.

>It seems weird to me that consonant music only allows 3 notes at a time
Chords don't stop at three notes. You have 7ths, 9ths, 11ths and 13th chords.

>Do fugue writers costantly fish for unisons too
In common practice fugues unions are for the most part avoided because of their tendency to reduce the independence of the lines.

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>>74543060
>Bach broke many rules
teh absolute madman

I'm a magical mystical shaman wizard and one of my patients has a bad case of the jubees - qucik, I need the most enchanting, evocative pieces of music you know in order to conjure up his cure!

>>74542004
Just take the pieces as recommended starting points, not the performers. If you are new to the composers you just want to focus on the works, preferred performers will come later. Any version will do at the start, even if you accidentally listen to the crappiest ever it is likely you will return when more knowledgeable and Beethoven shines through crap regardless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMUHVza-KA

Can you listen to Feldman's entire second string quartet from start to finish in one sitting?

>>74543985
with caffeine and a catheter

>>74543985
damn that reminds me that I forgot to listen to Well Tuned Piano today like I said I was going to do

>>74543985
Not that hard. That's still shorter than Einstein on the Beach and the Niebelugenlied.

that's a good tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cis0QvAcBvc

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Have you ever been in a youth orchestra, /classical/?

how do I into classical?

>>74544184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0kl9xFVSnI

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Anyone got some similar shit to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A96yQO82I

>>74544220
I thought that these types of videos (Classical Music Playlist, Best Of Mozart: Relaxing, Meditative, Increases Concentration #3) should be ignored.

>>74541990
He was a Jew

>>74544361
That's not a problem.

>>74544331
They should. he's playing silly-buggers.
Start with the top image and work your way through the various composers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era
If you want to skip renaissance, start with Monteverdi

>>74544107
No, but I have had pieces played by them.

>>74544373
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_8jHqTCo8

>>74544390
no

Copland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3G0B0YFdM0

>>74543985
Kek I was just listening to that last night. Never listened to it all, though.

It seems the kind of piece you have to go to a concert and fall asleep to.

>>74544107
Yes, several times when I was in high school.

High school students are terrible musicians. It sure was fun having to sit through rehearsals of the conductor going over a section with the brass players over and over again because they never practice.

>>74544361
Speaking of which, doesn't it concern anyone else that almost all avant-garde composers are of Jewish descent?

>>74544254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCydQm83cJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jwml0jevv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbvcp480Y4

>>74545713
The only ones I can think of are Schoenberg, Feldman and Czernowin.

>>74546094
And Schoenberg sounds more avant-garde than he actually is anyway

Is 9th the best beethoven symphony?

Ars Subtilior > Mozzart (overrated)

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>>74543576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpxtLGmiUAk

>>74547040
Beethoven was a terrible composer.

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>i'm not like other composers
>my score looks like an electric circuit, old music can't achieve this
>i'm a scientist unlike bach or beethoven
>i devote this sonic representation of modenity to my proletarian brothers (they don't understand old music, they need my modern music)

>>74547273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZamFKyPwM

>>74547113
Are you meming?

>>74547113
N-no

>>74547273
Every score has huge scope for interpretation because a stave and notes is far from the ideal way to represent music. Performers spend most of their lives peering at the score and reading up every scrap of information about the composer in order to perform the work correctly and to the artist's vision. As soon as a composer tries to depict their music in even more accurate terms they are accused of being pretentious and tryhard.

>>74544107
I was in two in high school for a year each. One was a big actual orchestra, which was kinda gay.

Then I did a small baroque string ensemble with my friends and I learned that concertos > symphonies.

>>74543576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4uZvhjQNi0

>>74543060

I am a composer! Well trying to be one, but where do you learn such rules? I want to know them too.

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>>74544107

>>74547691
graphic nottion is not and never has been more accurate
at BEST it's a framework to encourage improvisation

>>74548492
read theory books
find a teacher
but honestly all of this is a wank unless you know an instrument really well. ideally piano. because if you can't audiate what you're doing it's going to be garbage

where could I realistically start with classical music? it just seems so vast and endless

>>74548639
what kind of music do you like?

>>74548639
Strange question honestly. Where do you start with any other genre of music? You just listen to whatever you like. There's no pressure to listen to it all.

>>74548639

First time ever I got really dazzled by it was when I listened to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsa0AuTXEJQ

>>74548720
>Strange question honestly
Not really. Most musical traditions haven't spanned a thousand years and subject to such drastic differences.

>Where do you start with any other genre of music
I don't think of classical music as a genre but a tradition. The term genre is pointless if it doesn't tell you anything about form: style, instrumentation, purpose, subject matter, or the musical system used in its construction.

Thoughts on Bruckner? What is your favorite cycle of his symphonies?

>>74548888
tedious

>>74548888
Oddly I find him long-winded in ordinary performances but quite agreeable under Celibidache. There's something about the way Celi gets into the structure that is captivating, even though most of his readings are much longer than average.

>>74548888
Skrowaczewski or Celibidache, then again I prefer his masses or motets more anyway.

>>74542559
Only really listened to Bach and Vivaldi.

>>74549104
You should listen to some early baroque. Try Buxtehude and Frescobaldi keyboard works. Sweelinck is also very good.

>>74549155
Oops, that should be Buxtehude keyboard works and Frescobaldi's canzoni.

>>74536929
Stockhausen was IDM not Classical

>>74549238
please tell me your kidding.

>>74549296
you're* sorry

>>74549296
>not intelligently dancing your ass off to Gesang and Kontakte
What is wrong with you?

>>74548824
>I don't think of classical music as a genre but a tradition
You're somewhat right. Classical in itself isn't a genre but it has genres. Just that they aren't called genres but epochs.

A good starting point would be this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0AzqdE9qmw

>>74549317
Genre in classical music refers to established combinations of instrumentation and form. Symphony is a genre, Romantic is a period.

>>74549397
I guess I confused something here. Thanks for the clarification.

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Pls give me recommendations that sound like this part: https://youtu.be/f3Z3acOzvmo?t=6m25s

>>74549155
>>74549176
Will do so. Thanks!

>>74548639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSiwMR3dBUY

>>74549570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52COEAtbgxU

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Guys i have a question and I was hoping that someone more knowledgeable about this kind of stuff could help me out.

So basically, I'm wondering if a sonata can be a waltz.

seeing as these two terms don't contradict each other, isn't it possible that a sonata can also be a waltz and vice versa?

this is just an example and can be applied to other forms that don't contradict each other.

this has been bugging me all day and I'd really appreciate it if someone knows the answer, or at least gives me their two cents on the topic

pic unrelated

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How is this composition regarded in the world of the classical music? I'm not really an expert on music, but I find this one wonderful, fantastic, majestic. Don't know if people see it the same way, but I was curious to know if it's considered one of the greatest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQNymNaTr-Y

How do you guys reply when someone says that music is subjective?

Someone I know compared Bach to Despacito.

>>74551363
music is subjective. for example, i don't see noise "music" as music, while other people unironically enjoy it

>>74551476
>enjoying noise unironically
They're memeing you.

>>74550758
yeah. I don't know if any of the strauss waltzes follow sonata form but I wouldn't be surprised. there are plenty of sonatas with 3/4 time. however usually sonata form isn't associated with dance music because the exposition tends to break up the rhythm. it tends to change rather than staying at a constant tempo

>>74551476
It's subjective to a certain point, after that point it's completely objective. For instance you can't compare Mozart to Shakira, it would be like comparing Dostoyevsky to Dan Brown or Gauss to Stephen Hawking.

>>74550991
it's kind of regarded as kitsch because of the associated exoticism, and because ir's a bit overplayed. it's also not formally all that interesting. but don't let that put you off, it's a nice piece with great melodies

>>74550758
A sonata can be a waltz but it wouldn't be very good.

A waltz is usually in ternary form, but it never has any of the machinations of a true sonata.

>>74551595
the development tends to*

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>>74550991
Scheherazade is masterfully orchestrated, but it's a little bit shollow, but not dull as Rachmaninov in my opinion. It's a shame that RK is known for his beautiful - yet only shiny - orchestra pieces and not for his wonderful operas, which are certainly gems of the late romantic period and had quite an impact on modern music

However you may like these pieces by him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB0IHPGuTFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7me_uXC4gqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bebl1c6mx80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rqwvMMxeA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iL4aIutmRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FHFJ0lU9Us

>>74551606
Why?

I heard this and it tingled my jujuberries. Persians were most definitely part white.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9UM0E9Dyaog

>>74551766
Thank you very much for the recommendations, I'll definitely hear all of those.

>>74551606
>You can't compare
Is what people say just as they start comparing things.

Subjective/Objective isn't a continum they cover entirely different things. There is no:
Subjective: Mozart > Beethoven
Objective: Mozart > Shakira

Objective is: Mozart never used a drum machine, Shakira never wrote an opera. Subjective is: better than. No matter how you would wish it to be an objective truth that Mozart is better than Shakira it never will be because there is no clear idea of what better is. If you like latin rhythms then Mozart certainly isn't better. You can easily think of 101 reasons how Mozart does thinks Shakira doesn't but it still won't make 'better' objective.

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Violinist, a question:

Is vibratto innate talent or just effort? Are all vibrattos the same after practicing or are there people with better vibrattos than others?

>>74540601
check the second violin from the left face at 0:55
says it all really

>>74552217
vibrato can be learned, and there are different technical approaches which give different results
judicious use of vibrato comes down to taste, which I guess you could call a talent.

>>74552217
oh, and fat fingers tend to give a wider, more sensual vibrato

>>74544254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbtmskCRUY
the correct answer.

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>>74552217
There are two kinds of vibratos: wrist and arm. The wrist vibrato can be learned but the arm vibrato is innate. If you can't do arm vibrato on your dick when you're 13 you won't be able to do it ever.

>>74544254
>Can someone post impressionism?
>>74546012
>>74552355
>post late romanticism


There you go >>74544254
>Debussy orchestra pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOCucJw7iT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obv33I2Kf10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUp9qsss4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-egazHf7aQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyK922PsUw
>Boulanger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OERJAjoHRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF9SltYJAT8
>string quartets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KUTa6P6lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KUTa6P6lM
>suite bergamasque (piano, obligate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGcEYALnk8s

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>suddenly overwhelming desire to take up the Horn again
>haven't touched it since high school graduation 2 years ago
>sister graduated at college and will be here an unknown amount of time
>absolutely hate practicing when other people can hear me
>especially when I'm so out of practice
>she never fucking leaves.

>>74552571
forgot Debussy's string quartet there
especially the 3rd movement
https://youtu.be/eJJiUeBx-IM?t=9m58s

>>74552708
get over it. you wanna play music, you need to get the fuck over your stage fright. rape your sister right in the ears God gave her with your horn aat full volume like the man you are. if you want her to leave, make her leave. play scales until she pulls out her hair. bend notes until the melody is near unrecognizable. improvise on the tone row of your choosing. take that horn by the horns and fuck it, fuck it hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDwuQ81fYc

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¿Thoughts about Adrian Boult? I think is very underrated

>>74552901
>Thoughts about
Stopped reading there.

>>74547113
fptbiu

>>74553693
Fucking english language

Does anyone know or know where I can find out what Salvatore Sciarrino's Morte Di Borromini for speaker & orchestra's actual orchestral arrangement entails? There are some very interesting sounds on it, and I want to know what's being used/how its being used.

>>74550991
It's considered Rimsky-Korsakov's best work.

>>74551606
Eughhh. Dan brown is much better than that violent hack Dostoyevsky.

>>74552901
Good Brahms cycle. Interesting (cut) recording of Busoni's Dr Faustus, although he did a lot of modern work that is a rare modernist foray. Mostly just solid and dependable but not especially interesting.

If someone say, recommend me good music

What do you say?

where do i start with classical guitar, and more importantly Segovia?

>>74555362
Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqryZ-p1xBY

>>74555362
>>74555882
Fuck off, there's Google for those questions, if we hold your hands all the way you pieces of shit will never learn anything.

>>74555918
im just asking if a normie ask you for good muaic, how would do you respond

>>74555918
No need to be so hostile.

>>74555362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTlyTBP3hS0

>>74556457
No

>>74556457
No

>>74547113
t. Glenn Gould

>>74555882
Concierto de Aranjuez by Joaquín Rodrigo

>>74555882
Fantasía para un gentilhombre

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>bazillions of recordings of the same work by different conductors, orchestras etc
>don't know which one to get

how do you do it

>>74557965
dumbass

What are the best string quartets? I like Schubert's 14th.

>>74557965
go on amazon
look up composition
look at recordings with high stars
download that

it probably won't be the best version, but that's subjective as hell anyway and there's no reason to get autistic when it's your first time listening to a composition.

>>74557965
Find a favorite conductor and baritone/ tenor/ soprano and go from there.

>>74558025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLu6b4iGE1I

>>74557965
find a favorite conductor bro

good conductors work with good orchestras etc

>>74548492
>but where do you learn such rules? I want to know them too.
Study music at university / college. If you seriously want to be a composer, this is the best start. Unless you can arrange a private composition teacher, which would be just as good, perhaps even better if they're a great teacher.

Read Fux's gradus ad parnassum for basic counterpoint. Read something like Harmony & Voice Leading for a more modern guide to tonal music.
Study Bach scores.

>>74558025
Grieg, Ravel and Debussy quartets. Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven quartets. Mendelssohn and Martinu.
All Bartok's quartets

>>74548639
Find a classical music radio station and start listening when you're bored. If you aren't crazy about what you're hearing turn it off and try another time. Or click random videos in one of these classical threads and listen to 60 random seconds of each and see what grabs you. Don't force it, don't be afraid to be a bit of a pleb at the start and don't let anyone's smug opinion deter you from enjoying music the natural way. Developing your taste is a long and fun journey. Above all, don't feel like you "need" to listen to any set of composers or supposedly great works when you start out. There will be plenty of time later to wake up to them.

>>74551646
Yeah exactly. The main point of art is pleasure, even if some wannabe elite listeners have aesthetic objections or find it cheesy, your pleasure is still the main thing. Listen the fuck out of a kitchy tune until your brain becomes dead to it, then move on.

>>74551982
Comparing Mozart to Shakira is pointless, but comparing Mozart to Beethoven is very important for music appreciation. Why was it Mozart learned to write operas almost effortlessly while Beethoven's only opera, Fidelio, never quite works despite the wonderful tunes?

>>74557965
The interpretation of a particular conductor is like 1/10th of the point of listening. Any halfway competent conductor will deliver the music to you. Listen to a wide variety of material with consideration, then once you love a piece, compare different recordings. You will naturally develop your own taste on which conductor, orchestra, style, sound, approach you prefer.

How do i learn how to read music sheets?

>>74558543
musictheory.net

>>74540582
>>74542585
true. play it the way you feel it.
You could make use of youtube and upload your version, I would love to get to know you interpretation!

>>74552708
the exact same thing with my cello. Jesus Christ get out of the fucking house

>>74558475
>Beethoven's only opera, Fidelio, never quite works
>implying

>>74559531
What instrument can you play when you live in an apartment?

A gentle reminder that this exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tHnupma6o0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m28s

Yes, it's a bass trio arrangement of Ave Maria.

>>74559661
Keyboard, probably, since you can just plug headphones in. If you get some super heavy mutes, probably a string instrument. Brass is probably out,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT-fogvEMTs

Hello i am Mozart and i have come to save this thread

Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUuFFi1A8To

>>74560887
Dude finish your fucking requiem, don't post here until you do.

>>74559661
the kazoo

>>74559661
You can play Cage's 4'33"

What's everyone's favorite requiem?

>>74547046
fptmiu

>>74561834
Faure.

>>74561834
Britten War requiem

>>74536929
classical music sucks

>>74563145
F
P
T
Mussorgsky
I
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>>74538977
that's one of my favourite but you're right it adds nothing to the story. It's almost like an entr'acte

>>74563145
The only thing that sucks here is me (your dick)

>>74561834
Brahms

>>74561834
unironically Ligeti

>>74563145
The Reddit store called. They're running out of you.

>>74544107
yep, quite a few. The strings will without fail be out of tune within minutes of a piece. Good way to get kids familiar with the classical repertoire though

>>74550991
naturally people will bash it because it's so popular/overplayed but it's very good

people will still be listening to it when names like "stockhausen" are consigned to history

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>>74559531
>>74559661
>>74559697
Even with a cotton-wool lined practice mute rammed into the end further than it's supposed to go, my trumpet is still too loud

it's hard to do any meaningful practice when the only time you can play properly is in rehearsal

>>74548888
Even though performed regularly, underrated genius. His masses are even more telling of this than his symphonies. I like the Janowski cycle a lot.

>>74561834
Dvorak.

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>that warm feeling that there is some hope in the human race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I3czzGzfJQ&t=103s

>>74558526
You've also got recording quality, acoustics, dynamic range, any hissing etc to consider as well though. Or heck some recordings even have bad external noises like coughing.

>>74561834
Everyone will post something other than Mozart's Requiem because it's too obvious and default to even mention

But it's obviously Mozart's Requiem

Luna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGeI7Y-tL70

What's the god-tier composer of the 20th century?

>>74564618
Debussy

https://clyp.it/pqafw4e1

Why when I'm in a Aminor scale, a Em chord sounds like a conclusion? Clyp for reference.

>>74564618
Stravinsky, Bartok, Schoenberg, Penderecki.

>>74564871
Because its the V chord. Ending on a V chord is called a "half cadence" or sometimes a Phrygian cadence. Very common in Renaissance music.

I like half cadences more than regular cadences because it sounds like the final chord could go on forever

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>>74564618
You know it.

>>74564905
I love them too, maybe a bit too much (I tend to overuse them when I improvise, especially on guitar).
I'll spend the rest of my day reading about cadences. Thanks for the answer.

>>74564907

that's no one cares about god these days, his music was shit

I have no knowledge of music in general or classical music but I enjoy it and I would like to listen to more stuff.
How the fuck to I find the works of a single composer(?Not entirely sure about the terms, bare with me)?
I tried to find Mozart's works but I can't find shit in bulk and I don't want to get involved in private trackers autism. What I'm I supposed to do if I don't want to listen to music online? Typically I would find "discography" relatively easily in public trackers, but that's not the case with classical music?

>>74565401
Actually (half-)nevermind, I searched the archive for the op and there are quite a lot of stuff there to download.

>>74565401
>but I can't find shit in bulk
If you're serious about getting shit in bulk, go on Rutracker, search Mozart Complete Philips Edition, and you have a 50GB complete collection of Mozart's works. One of the best box sets ever produced. Worth hoarding, but if you're also looking for something a bit more absorbable, try "Best Mozart 100" which you can also get on Rutracker, a great compilation set produced by EMI. Rutracker is probably the best public tracker for classical music in general, I think. The only issue is most of the time they do image + CUE rather than separated tracks, so you have to do the splitting yourself (use CueTools).

>>74565401
First of all, there are many recordings that were made by people that are now dead. For example by pirating Furtwangler's recordings you are not harming anyone.
Secondly, if you're interested in big composers like Mozart and Beethoven, wait 2 months and get a seasonal pass at your local philarmonics. If you're under 30 it will cost you maybe 50$ (opera is far more expensive). Programs for the most part are always the same, which means that you'll end up listening to most Beethoven's symphonies and a bunch of his sonatas, and lots of masterpieces by Mozart, Schubert, Brahms, Liszt, Schumann, Ravel, Debussy and so on.
Ultimately, lose your stigma against pirating classical music. Support it as much as you can, and buy all those cds that you listen the most (obviously keep an eye on who is holding the copyrights: for example all the revenues of Ravel recordings recorded by dead artists go to a shady off-shore company with nonrelationship with classical music or Ravel's descendants whatsoever) but don't let it stop you listening to music. If you're that hung on this problem, then buy only box sets, and proceed for genres. For example, if you want to listen to Beethoven, don't buy random collections, buy instead sets like Pollini's Sonatas or Alban Berg Quartet's quartets.

>>74565891
Thanks a lot!

>>74566091
I don't want to sound entitled or something but honestly I don't give a shit about purchasing and supporting, it's just the truth.

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>>74566201
I misinterpreted that "I don't want to listen to music online", my bad. If that is the case, download soulseek. It has every recording you can think of.
About how to pick recordings, I've already told you. Pick a composer, pick a genre (symphony, piano concerto, string ensemble, nocturnes, etc.), download the set of that composer's composition in that genre. Look on wikipedia which of those composition are the most significant and listen to them chronologically (for example, if you listen to Beethoven's sonatas you'll go 1-5-8-14-17 and so on). Fill the gaps only once you've got accostumed with the major compositions: with common practice composers you'll find way too many times completely insignificant minor compositions (Mozart is a good example), which may scare you out of the genre. Keep reading about it, and I'll assure you that in a couple of months you will be able to approach virtually any major composer of the tradition while outting him in the right historical and cultural context.

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>tfw I have hundreds of recordings on my ipod but I never listen to it because I'm scared my headphones aren't good enough to pick up all the detail and thus will ruin the experience

>>74544254
I fucking love this piece man, it's so good

what does moo think of mompou?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxuv_g5vE1o

>>74566961
>[autism intensifies]

>>74564618
Webern

Kurt Atterberg (good shit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ySSn7UFxQA&list=PLu6D2w79TomIwAFhnNdP5pupB7d8wn1BP&index=45&t=1362s

>>74567123
pretty damn boring

>>74561834
Zelenka's

Recommend me a book for learn piano
Im learning by my own

>inb4 get a teacher

>>74568534
get a [spoiler]b[/spoiler]eacher

>>74540601
Someone please make a shreds video of that recorder player.

What's your favorite piece for the piano? For me it's this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_36x1_LKgg

>>74568959
4'33" :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>74568534
You should get a teacher. Especially when you don't have previous knowledge

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>N-ni hao!
>Do you want puray this piece I write yesterday with me?
>I swear it is no difficult
How to respond

>>74568959
Gaspard de la nuit or Schumann's Fantasie in C

>>74568959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWr8A1alkLo

>>74568534
if you're a complete beginner, get a teacher

I've taught myself almost all I know on my instrument, but I needed a few months with a proper player to begin

>>74568534
get a teacher

How much classical solo literature exists for trombone?

>>74559661
Percussion isn't an option, but you could probably get away with anything else (even brass), so long as you keep practice between 9am - 9pm or something.
Of course, it depends heavily on your landlord neighbours. But in my experience, people are pretty accepting of noise from music practice, compared to parties

>>74541190
Handel's Water Music is the pinnacle of Baroque music

>>74569203
a lot, same as any instrument

If any of it is any good is another question. Stick to jazz

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>>74569203
Not much and not cool

What does /classical/ think about Rachmaninoff?

>>74569222
as a trumpet player, it's a nightmare

the only time I get to blow the instrument at proper volume is during big band

>>74569234
I love listening to jazz, but I can't improvise for shit.
Maybe if I gitgud I can play bumblebee flight or czardas for the memes

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>all these people hating on based Maurice

>>74569085
Good choice anon

>>74569137
How come I never heard this before. I'm gonna spend some time listening to Grieg now

>>74569324
If you haven't heard the first movement of Holberg Suite...
How?

>>74569310
I wouldn't bother, they sound shit unless you're Zoltan Kiss-tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1H8kPOdNw8

>>74568959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlarOfyafc4

>>74568534
For the love of god just get a teacher

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>>74569356
>Implying I won't become better than Zoltan Kiss

>>74569374
Wow that sounds extremely juvenile.

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how does arvo part go down in 'classical circles'?

>>74569426
gl bro

>>74569472
pretty well respected choral music

>>74569203
not solo but still pretty dope. if you're into electronic music you might recognize this as a hrvatski sample

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5wAfC7cl24

>>74569344
It's just that I recently became really interested in classical. Now I'm like a sponge absorbing as much as I can. I knew the Peer Gynt Suite though.

>>74569203
Need to get on that Berio sequenza.

Not 100% classical, but did anyone catch the Tribute to Ella Fitzgerald and Dizzy Gillespie prom the other day?

some weird program choices imo, far too much gershwin and not enough of what made dizzy special. The orchestral arrangements were mostly pretty good though.

James Morrison amazing as per usual though, well worth a watch for his 'Round Midnight alone

>>74570307
This thread is filled with /pol/ LARPers so everybody here probably hated it

Does anybody know of any pieces that sound like they are about love, but also sound dramatic and maybe a bit negative at parts. I don't want sadness or complete negative mood or anything.
I'm not completely familiar with classical music, so that's why I'm asking.
Thanks,

>>74570307
who was broadcasting it?

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>>74570593
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnEA97H8OeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSJ_-aR-YI

>>74570619
It was on the BBC so you can probably watch it again somewhere

>>74569689
what the fuck

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How do I into Schubert

>>74570717
String Quintet (his only one) in C Major
Piano Quintet aka the Trout
String Quartet no. 14
Symphony no. 9

>>74570765
thanks senpai

>>74570717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FYgLvKTbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIdRI7pat5Q

>>74570619
>>74570658
here you go

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08znbn3/bbc-proms-2017-ella-and-dizzy-revisited#group=b007v097

>>74570801
danke, comrade

>>74570717
damn Schubert was qt

>>74548639
desu just jump into the futurist composition and composers that moved on from that

>luigi russolo
>Edgar Varese
>Igor Stravinsky
>Karlheinz Stockhausen
>Gyorgy Ligeti
>Le mont young
>Steve Reich
>Johnny Greenwood

Is the day of Classical music over?
It can always be appreciated but
Is popular music all there is for future generations?

>>74572004
But then he'll be missing 95% of what classical has to offer

>>74559661
I've been thinking about wiping dust off my cello again but I feel very self conscious about making noise. It's irrational though because all my neighbors are old ladies and they've told me they don't mind it at all. I need to get a proper practice mute.

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>>74569000
>mfw she's the next Brian Ferneyhough

>>74572004
>futurist

>>74572231
https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Cello-Practice-Mute-Metal/dp/B007QW4LF0

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Hello

Can anyone recommend something for my holst fetish?

Please no starwars shit, I mean other composers

Thanks

>>74573531
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQU0MhiWBm4

>>74573531
Depends, he was pretty varied, what do you like, other than his starwars shit?

Bax - tone poems
Langgaard - Music of the Spheres
Panufnik - Sinfonia Sacra, Arbor Cosmica
Bliss - Colour Symphony
Tippett - The Rose Lake

>>74573614
I've listened to holst his whole musical catalogue by now (apart from the long opera's). I can't say that bach sounds anywhere near similar. His organ music is the best though

>>74573782
Thanks for the list. I've only started exploring classical music last year, and Holst was the first who could really grab my attention. The amount of time he spends on a tune is never longer than it should be. St. Paul's suite is probably my favorite (but this changes with the day, his marches are god-tier too)

Besides that, I've tried some obscure romantic composers. like scharwenka and moszkowski:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUwY1H671k

And I like soundtracks that have holst as the main inspiration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxAdOQtAFEs

>>74572453
Have you actually used this? How does it compare to your standard cheapo rubber mute?

>>74574163
No I haven't, sorry anon. The reviews say it's better than the rubber mute, but you might want to check out a local music store and ask them. Reddit or an online forum might have better feedback
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8-NhVUJvs

>>74574062
so basically the parts that are just completely filled with instruments, which keep moving on to a different tune on a whim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n_mFasLvm8

around 3 min is a good example

>>74574163
dont use metal mutes, they rob all the life from the sound. rubber will dampen, metal will deaden. not that i know shit bout cello, i play violin.

>>74564642
>>74564890
>>74564907
>>74567408
Unironically these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBxkXoTEqOw
>t. Telemann

>>74570307
Is it online?

>>74568959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1AjgkQKftM

>>74570801
>BBC iPlayer only works in the UK. Sorry, it’s due to rights issues.

>>74569472
Most musicians and conductors I speak to aren't very fond oh him, same with most composition majors as well. I think it's a combination of things like a natural push back against his popularity. He's one of the few composers who has made it really big in in the last few decades. Many people I talk to are simply sick of hearing about him from other people all the time.
Another reason I can imagine especially among conductors and composers is that his tintinnabuli style (which lets be frank might as well be everything he ever wrote in terms of his public recognition) don't tend to be very interested in form and so tend to be short and not very complex. There simply is not that much to analyse in his music of this style.
Personally I'm not the biggest fan because his music lacks colour. His heavy diatonicism and the non-modulatory nature of his music gives it too thin a sound for my liking. I can find plenty of other music with a similar austerity but with more motion.

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does /classical/ like stravinsky?

Lanza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6PZvj49IuM

Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXQy0NuRm_s

Who's the Homer of classical music?

>>74579604
St. Hildegard von Bingen

>>74579604
The monks who wrote down the Carmina Burana.

Give me some works that make extensive use of the half-diminished chord. It's the one chord I would dwell on forever.

>>74541990
what'd Morton do exactly?

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anyone into antheil at all? been getting into his piano music and spending some time with it at the keyboard, and im starting to feel that ive been underrating his work. the airplane sonata and sonata sauvage in particular are pretty rewarding.

>>74541990
being one of the greatest musical minds the US has ever been blessed with you deeb.

>>74569085
>Schumann's Fantasie in C
I was just listening to this, good taste.

>>74570717
Winterreise

Ravel > Debussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak

>downloading leiden choirbook
>volume 1 is in APE
>volume 2 is in FLAC
wtf I hate pre-common practice anon now.

>>74580461
>bolero
>the non-piece ravel himself hated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRQyyPowH0

>>74580327
The coolest thing about the Fanasie imo is that the first movement based entirely on a Beethoven quote but you really don't hear it until the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMVKKgqrkzs

>>74580504
But does it give the percussionist carpal tunnel?

>>74566961
hey why don't you just buy good headphones

>>74569279
cloying but not bad

>>74572004
>Johnny Greenwood
come on.

1510=music started 1520-1590=medieval music 1600-1780=golden age of music for old singers 1790-1830=perfect age for classical rebels 1840=improved good music for goths and punks 1850-1860=music is still good and gangsta lied started to appear 1870=music is changing 1880=ghetto music but still good and relaxing like debussy beau soir 1890=some crappy music is starting to appear 1900=crappy music is spreading 1909=you gotta be kidding me this isn't music schoenberg 1910=R.I.P music goodbye...

Luna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_DuWEz8Vrg

>>74569085
>>74580327
I could probably wallow in Im Legendenton forever, it develops so beautifully.

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>>74536929
Non-classical person here. How do you guys listen to discographies? This is always the one thing that has put me off of that sort of music. If I want to listen to every composition that has been written by say Bach I'd have to go through several different orchestras many of which would have performed the same pieces on different albums. How do you circumvent this issue?

>>74582565
Look up a favorite orchestra, conductor and opera singer first and just go through the stuff they recorded.

>>74582576
Given that would you suppose that classical is more about the orchestra/ conductor than the composer? How can I tell a good one from a bad one?

>>74582565
Just get boxsets. Bach's Cantatas for instance usually have boxed sets with consistent conductors, orchestras, and vocalists.

Eventually you'll bite the performance autism bullet, but for a beginner just go with what's highly circulated and well rated. Use amazon reviews as a reference if you want.

>>74582614
The actual music depends on the composer but the interpretation is 100% the conductor. A piece can sound completely different depending on who is conducting.

>>74582565
Composers don't have discographies. Soloists, conductors, and orchestras have discographies. I follow the ones I find most interesting. So if I wanted to listen to Bach I would probably prioritise recordings from Gustav Leonhardt, Karl Richter, Helmut Walcha, etc. You can look up lists of compositions on Wikipedia and elsewhere, but for most composers it's not always clear what the chronological order really is, so I suggest exploring by genre. Personally, I'm always looking for organ works. I strongly suggest staying away from box sets, and instead giving yourself the freedom to explore rather than allowing yourself to be fed what a single record company thinks is good enough.

>>74582614
Follow your heart and don't take memes to heart.

>>74582621
I'll probably use a couple of the essential charts first in that case. Thanks for helping.

>>74582637
Really? I was always under the impression that they kept time, I used to play the clarinet back when I was young and never really understood what they actually do.

>>74582649
I'll definitely screen-cap this for future reference. Thanks a ton anon.

>>74582664
Youth orchestras are less complex (unless they're the more famous ones) but generally a conductor is in charge of quite a lot. Dynamics, tempo, and balancing decisions can vary greatly from performance to performance.

>>74582680
Oh, so they can affect the composition by waving their rods around faster and all even if the composition is written on a different time signature?

>>74582698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_6cTbyWP88

>>74582722
Nice dubs, and thanks for the video anon!

>>74582722
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vivT5NaT8Kg

So does anyone want to make a new thread?

>>74582565
Skim through the mega folders and download whatever. Recording autism can come later. Honestly as long as you aren't getting into Celi Bruckner or something it shouldn't matter too much.
>>74583144
No /classical/ is dead.

>>74583144
Wait until this one is pruned and then you can make it.