Reminder actual artists listen to tons of obscure music, they

hey Avant how are you today? Whatcha been listening to?

Yes they do, pretty much every notable musician's favorites are entry level shit with one or two weird things thrown in.

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Wow...

I can't even imagine giving less of a shit.

actually they make music

>>74451171
>with one or two weird things thrown in.
you proved op's point

>>74451113
It's actually completely 100% the other way around.

It's obscure for a reason

Debris of Titan, Astron The Fallen

https://debrisoftitan.bandcamp.com/

so avant, much garde

Artists are too busy making art to give a fuck about having cool last.fm and RYM profiles, look at any musician interview and all their favorites will be albums that everyone already knows. The only exceptions being, of course, DJs and other artists who utilize lots of sampling.

>>74451206
But OPs point was TONS, not one or two.

>>74451113
that's why 99% of actual artists make shitty music

I know this is bait but come on now. That's just a stupid thing to say.

>>74451113
Most obscure stuff is crap. It's a rare thing when an obscure artist is better than the known ones. You're wasting your time.

>>74451306
Do you like Grimes?

>>74451355
Why do you ask?

>>74451369
You remind me of a grimesfag who's made the same opinion with almost the exact same wording.

>>74451542
I think you pay too much attention to their threads.

>>74451589
Is that a yes? I just remember it from a passing comment that stuck with me, probably because of how uninformed it is.

>>74451614
People are allowed to have different opinions. Now, it would be great if you weren't so triggered and autistic.

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>Interviewer: Your music has been hugely influential. One of the more prominent musicians who’ve said that they’ve been inspired by your records are Radiohead? Did you listen to any of their last two album „Kid A“ and „Amnesiac“?

Richard: I don’t like them. I heard maybe five or six tracksand I thought they sounded really really cheesy.

>Interviewer: Cheesy?

Richard: Yeah, really obvious and cheesy. I mean I’m just comparing it to my favourite music and I think it’s terrible compared to that. But compared to all the shit boring R&B tracks it’s probably alright. Compared to those teen punk sort of bands or whatever they are supposed to be called, who think that they are really anarchic and stuff like that, they are probably amazing. If you’re only exposed to that kind of stuff and then Radiohead come along you will probably think that they are geniuses.

>Interviewer: Don’t you think it’s a good thing if only one percent listen of the people who buy a Radiohead album will then go and check out stuff like Rephlex?

Richard: I’m not that bothered honestly. I’m quite happyn with the state of things at the moment. I like there to be shit music around. I like people to not be informed of what’s around. If too many people would listen to what I listen to I wouldn’t like it. I always wanted to be seen as being different. I like to like things that other people don’t. If Merzbow was in the charts I wouldn’t like it anymore. Some people don’t wanna do what everyone else is doing and some people do. It’s very simple. (laughs)

>>74451306
>Most obscure stuff is crap
i bet your music library start with bob dylan and finish with kendrick lamar

>>74451844
So you are a grimesfag. Never claimed that you're not allowed to, nor did I react rudely. You're making things up in your head anon.

>>74451915
what the fuck I love Aphex Twin now

>>74451306
90% of popular experimental musicians just water-down obscure crap to sell it to the masses.

>>74451113
I completely agree with this. Thats why i listen to Big Rare

>>74451915
>Aphex likes Merzbow
/ourguy/?

>>74451915
Merzbow sounds similar to if you were to hang your head out of an aeroplane in flight.

Unrelated but does anyone else hate it when an "alternative" artist casually mentions they listen to Beyonce or other top 40 pop trash?

>>74451113
>actual artists listen to tons of obscure music
Actual artists can listen to nothing and still make great art, because, guess what, they're actual artists.

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>>74451249
>listening to music is about having cool last.fm and RYM profiles
wtf are you drinking?

>>74451223
>It's obscure for a reason
yeah, you have to be more knowledgeable than average to appreciate it

>>74451968
You're just making assumptions. I like a couple of her songs.

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>mfw most kids on this board haven't grown out of their embarrassing "listening to obscure music is patrician, not completely autistic" phase

I thought we dropped this hipster shit in the 2000s? Why are you all still doing it? When will spergs learn you look fucking ridiculous and not cool at all? By all means, feel free to be a walking stereotype.

>>74452063
not op
dumbest thing i've read in this site, my god the state of this board.

>>74452043
I don't really see anything wrong with that. Anyone who appreciates music for its actual qualities and doesn't just use it as a way to build one's identity through consumption should be able to do that at least occasionally.

>>74452111
Do you lack reading comprehension, you stupid frog poster?

>>74452187
Bach didn't listen to Beethoven or Mozart
checkmate atheists

>>74452174
you're being way more retarded than the people you're criticizing.

>>74451915
I'd really like to know what Aphex Twin fans find in his work overall. I listened to most of it, and why I like some of it, the rest just kind of melts into some bruitist nonsense in my mind, I can't remember most of the tracks and don't find most of them beautiful or even interesting really.

>>74452223
but he did travel to a different city to see Buxtehude play organ

>>74452250
>bruitist nonsense
what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>74452250
His early stuff was cool ambient, his later stuff was equally cool experimental techno kind of stuff, then he got kind of shit yeah.

>>74451149
That wasn't me. He's right though.

>>74451306
Fuck you.

>>74451355
He probably is. Same writing style, shitty opinions and argumentation.

>>74452063
Artists take influences from other artists, if you never listen to stuff that's not popular you will end up sounding like everybody else.

>>74452174
>pretending to be an oldfag while browsing /mu/ for less than a year
lol

>>74452223
His greatest influence would be Buxtehude, who would be obscure by /mu/'s standards.

>>74452266
http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095532328

>>74452261
because Buxtehude is a wicked underground patrician's composer, not some entry level pleb trash like Philip Glass

>>74452291
>That wasn't me. He's right though.
ya but i figured you'd pop in this thread

>>74452294
I suggest you pay more attention when listening.

>>74452134
>yet for some reason you couldn't answer that and instead complained about me getting triggered
You realize that I asked you, right?

>>74451249
this
people dont listen to music for enjoyment on RYm it's embarrassing. I guess everyone wants to be Scaruffi huh

>>74451915
>If too many people would listen to what I listen to I wouldn’t like it
Well that's dumb

>>74451113
Reminder that you have absolutely nothing to back that up with. While i myself am pretty cultured in many genres i know loads of artist who get their inspiration from pretty enrty level stuff, although from many different genres.

t: an actual artist

>>74452291
Actually kill yourself.

>>74452404
>t. bandcamp kid with 3 listens

I hate everyone on this fucking awful board.

You guys want to know why people read pitchfork?

>>74452450
Nah man but thanks for the reply!

>>74452461
Why??

>>74452461
yeah
why

>>74452583
Absolutely savage retort, friend. I got a few keks and a few lels out of that one. I bet it would do well on reddit!

>>74451113
I love that foxeh from the picture too much (:

>>74452461
Yeah, because they have shit taste and can't stand anything slightly out of the ordinary. If you want a magazine (or whatever) not as bad then check out Wire instead.

current /mu/ seems to hate anything that isn't talked about among indie culture(whatever is left of it) but still pats themselves on the back for knowing more artist than their "normie" friends.

even the hip hop posting has gone down the tube. same ol trap albums with kendrick/odd future thrown in.

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>>74452114
>tfw to intelligent too listen to entry level music

>>74452345
What should I pay attention to? What do you find enjoyable in this kind of music?

>>74452669
>can't stand anything slightly out of the ordinary
not true, Pitchfork likes Animal Collective, Radiohead, and other unique bands

>>74452786
You just proved my point. Even then, today's pitchfork is even worse than early to mid 00s pitchfork.

>>74452728
Plenty of entry level music is still great. Steely Dan, Michael Jackson and Prince were/are all super popular.

Tim Gane of Stereolab is a supreme record collector snob, and he borrows a lot from stuff like Burt Bacharach songs.

/mu/ is always trying too hard and fail every single time. Stop being so fucking pretentious and listen to what you actually like. No one cares about your shitty obscure noise artist that you pretend it's the best thing in the world.

/mu in a nutshell:
>we post about things we don't enjoy to impress people we don't like

You really need 12 good albums to listen to for your whole life

>>74451306
there's way more obscure there is popular. Its not hard to great stuff that isn't mainstream

>>74452889
>>we post about things we don't enjoy to impress people we don't like
then how come all the popular threads are grimes and kpop?

>>74452889
Except you are wrong because almost nobody on /mu/ listens to obscure stuff.
Instead, they all listen to whatever is trendy on /mu/ to impress other anons.

>>74452929
I can't talk about kpop because I don't even care about it but Grimes is popular because her music is actually enjoyable. If you pretend to hate a catchy album like Art Angels you're a god damn liar.

>>74452929
because they're supposed to be containment threads from he avant autists that get ass blasted prevent any discussion that isn't some random bandcamp faggot

>>74452931
Well obviously since if you try to discuss anything not trendy you'll barely get any replies, and if you discuss trendy stuff you'll get tons of (You)'s. And it's the ultimate goal of anyone on 4chan to get (You)'s and be noticed.

>>74452960
i don't hate aa
i just don't like it.

>>74452963
t. GrimesCuck

>>74452997
That's an OK opinion.

Reminder: the average Grimes listener has a more sincere love for music than the average RYMdrone

>>74453052
Imagine being this butthurt because RYM doesn't have high enough ratings for your waifu's shit albums

why do all RYMers and avant teens try so hard to be Scaruffi? what's the point?

>>74453085
its called ambition.

>>74452960
Kpop is also catchy, so what?

>>74452960
>catchiness is the only factor to judge an album with
Nothing is catchy on AA to me anyways
>>74453052
Maybe for Grimes' music. I've heard one of them call all jazz "a boring wankfest"

>>74452889
it's another "I don't understand it so I'm going to knock others who do" episode
I don't particularly like "obscure noise" music but at least I don't fly into an autistic rage whenever I see a thread about it

>>74453052
Absolutely. Grimes fans actually love music. They defend her music because they care about good music.

>>74453116
>I've heard one of them call all jazz "a boring wankfest"
Tbch he was right. Jazz is actually "a boring wankfest". Stick to the real thing, kid: classical and electronic.

>>74453116
They've also shat on literally everyone from Mozart and Beethoven over Kendrick and Kanye to Beatles, NMH and Bowie. So much about being music lovers.

>>74453166
they shat on aphex twin also

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>>74453152

>>74453113
It's catchy yet obnoxious. Kpop hooks and vocal performances are very cheap and forced. There's no soul in this kind of music, it's all very artificial.

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>>74453085
they hope it fills the giant void in their life, and seek validation. cause only liking obscure music is super cool and will make girls love u

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>74453201
Reminds me of Grimes

grimescucks and trentfags are the two worst single person fanbases on /mu/ rn

>>74453120
except it's the other way around, avant teens throw a fit of rage whenever they see a Radiohead or Beatles thread around, or whatever popular shit is out there

>>74453083
this t b h

CHOAPOSTER PLEASE SAVE THIS THREAD FROM GRIMESFAGS

>>74453218
menstruating is sexy

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>>74453267
yes it is. in fact it's well documented that kurt would have offed himself years earlier had he not been ms love's human tampon

im sooo Horny

>>74452931
t. Thrift Store Scruffy

>>74451306
You have simple taste

>>74453152
you are a mega pleb who's listened to less than 10 jazz albums

>>74453250
Yeah, because we talk about them every day all day.

>>74453379
(You)

>>74453231
Good joke. Grimes' music is very soulful and melodic. This is perfect synthpop, bro.
>>74453234
Because they btfo your "arguments" on a daily basis. Stay mad.

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>>74453266
I can't hear you. Cry some more.

>>74453373
All of them sounded like boring shit. Why should I listen to more than 10 crap albums? I'll stick to my lovely classical music collection.

>>74453500
>This is perfect synthpop
It's absolute garbage mate, she stopped being good after Halfaxa and basically became a Kpop star for the quality that her music is. The last good song she made was Circumambient.

>>74451171
true

>>74453547
>calls jazz "boring shit"
>thinks Grimes is soulful
What jazz albums have you listened to?

>>74453585
>thinks Grimes is soulful
She actually is. She has a very emotive and feminine voice. Try dis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGLvUejoRb4

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These meta threads have always been the worst things on /mu/.
Just shut up and talk about music.
Personally i come here to hear new music, so i generally avoid threads about artist i already know of, or like.
Also the waifu fags should get a new board and stop shitting the place up. No one cares about your teenage boner.

>>74453250
As they should because there's so many other things to talk about.

>>74453652
sounds like a shit amateur take on cocteau twins

>>74453652
answer my question please

>>74453652
I would recommend seeking help, but you're incurable so I'll just recommend necking yourself.

>>74453652
What a dumb attention whore you are, this isn't a thread in any way related to your waifu so fuck off with that shit, cretin

>>74453722
Lame, lame, lame. You're basically a pleb talking shit about gorgeous music.
>>74453732
Keep the help for yourself. You really need it, autist.

>>74453652
>still not answering question about jazz
Stop moving the goalposts and evading the questions you're anxious about for once in your life, dumb grimescuck

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>>74452695
>current /mu/ seems to hate anything that isn't talked about among indie culture(whatever is left of it) but still pats themselves on the back for knowing more artist than their "normie" friends.
literally this. they feel good about replacing top 40 with p4k and indiehead top 100 and think that's good enough. Than god forbid someone comes rolling along with an unknown album, they get called avant teen, poseur, etc. If you want proof literally go to any chart re;ated thread, record thread, anything really on here, and as soon as an album cover is shown that isn't something you see here all the time, you get like 5 people asking whats the album

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>>74453758
Fuck you, you fucking fuck

>>74453790
>You're basically a pleb talking shit about gorgeous music.
>Said by a guy who shits on whole of jazz
What a douchebag. Fuck you.

>>74453796
Stop being so annoying. You're making me anxious.

Friendly reminder not to give this attention whoring waifufag his beloved (You)'s and to move on with other discussions. Thanks! :-)

>>74453379
fucking this

@74453839
I guess that means that you're just shitting on a genre you have absolutely no knowledge of then.

>>74453830
Grimes makes gorgeous music, jazz is bullshit. That's the difference. Funny thing: jazz was the pleb's music in the 1920s-1940s. Funny how things changed.

>>74452174
Musical exploration is the key to finding out what you like, staying in shallow waters of complacency is absolutely plebian and shows you have no real interest in what you like.

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>>74453876

>>74453883
I wish all of /mu/ thought this way.

>74453882
>bringing up 20s and 40s jazz for absolutely no reason
>doesn't realize that there were actually incredible 40s jazz releases, which he would know if he didn't dismiss the entire genre

>>74453928
Jazz just makes me sick to my stomach. It's so shallow and cheesy with those ridiculous trumpets and saxophones. It has no purpose in this world except as a soundtrack for bars and clubs.

>>74453823
Don't go to chart threads then, they're plebs

Fuck jazz.

>>74453299
hehe dupa

>>74453983
Let's tally up your critiques so far (which are clearly very academic, as suits such an academic genre)
>all jazz is "boring shit"
>all jazz is "crap"
>I cannot name a jazz album I have listened to
>jazz is bullshit
>jazz used to be poppier
>saxophones and trumpets are "ridiculous"
>people play jazz at bars and clubs
masterful

>>74454050
Excellent. Add also that jazz is dated and stupid. It's an environment for technical wankers to express their abilities. The jazz fans are the most obnoxious music fans by far. They talk shit about anything that sounds too simple for them.

>>74454003
I just want to talk about music that isn't talking heads, or radiohead or MBV. fuck is that so much to ask

I would take all those jazz vinyl records and smash them against the walls and watch the reactions of those elitist jazz fans.

>74454127
Very interesting that only one half of one of your criticisms actually speaks to the music. You are the single biggest pleb I've ever conversed with, and unless you can actually give a reason why any of the things you say are either true or relevant, I'm gonna stop giving you the (You)s that you crave so desperately.

>>74454161
The soundstrack for that would be The Clash's debut album. It would be fun.

>>74454168
I'm a pleb for disliking a shitty genre? But I like classical, ambient, folk, African music, new wave, shoegaze, progressive metal, post-punk, punk, hip-hop, blues, soul, stoner rock, techno, IDM, chiptune, disco, funk, drum and bass, electro industrial.

>74454298
>I'm a pleb for disliking a shitty genre?
No, you're a pleb for disliking an incredibly important genre and you fail to articulate why.

>>74454298
(You)

>>74454324
see: >>74453850

>>74451306
This. Anyone that thinks something being more obscure automatically makes it better actually fell for the what were ironic memes on this board. Most of the garbage people tout as amazing that's "obscure" is garbage. I remember when Les Rallizes Denudes and Fushitsusha first got memed here as amazing stuff. Then surprise surprise! It was pretty lame stuff; 10-20 minute long songs that repeat the same three chords with none of the supposed microtones/overtones actually being explored on the level of more well known guys like Glenn Branca. Or lets not forget the guys that like the heavily memed EAI/onkyo stuff (Good Morning Good Night, Fred Firth's more newer stuff, etc.) and then try to act superior because they like that over say...OPN or Tim Hecker when the latter do far more compositionally and the earlier follow a very predictable pattern of improvisations. Lets not forget the idiots that think an album like Trout Mask Replica is the most complex thing ever made when even the music in the current Billboard top 100 has more interesting harmonic stuff going on and its really just the rhythmic aspect of the album that's of any interest.

Most people that tout lesser known artists don't actually know how to digest music and its various aspects all that well, thus being the very thing they often accuse "plebs" of doing. If they could, they would know that outside the usually unconventional surface aesthetic or w/e bullshit reason they like the lesser known stuff, it's much more shallow than more well known, interesting records.

>>74454361
But I didn't give him a (You), ya goof

>>74454371
True, but you gave him something to reply to. Completely ignoring him would get him out of the thread.

>>74454407
Fair enough

>>74454370
>implying LRD and Fushitsusha are bad because of the shortage of chords
The songs just sound really good mate.

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post them

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>>74454298
>electro industrial
that's my fucking genre m8, what are your faves?

>>74454441
>The songs just sound really good mate.
I am not listening to the same shit played over and over again for 10-20 minutes though. That shit's boring as fuck.

>>74454370
breaking news: in the obscurity there is also "normal" music, melodic, pop, etc.

>>74454407
>anon saying to other anon to cease music discussion with someone you dislike his opinions
Rude, lame, pathetic, vile and stupid behaviour. Shame on you.

ITT: People saying that one piece of music is objectively better than others, when music is entirely subjective.

>>74454522
no it's not. There is a reason why pop music is popular.

>>74454487
But it's not that. The only completely repetitive part of LRD is the bassline, and that only serves to draw me in. To each his own I suppose.

>>74454555
Because it's simple and easy to listen to. Also it's marketed, there's a reason all pop songs sound the same.

>>74454511
I never said there isn't. A good example would be around mid 2015 I think when peeps were trying to make Millennium's album Begin a meme saying it was better than other baroque psych pop stuff when it clearly wasn't.

>>74454555
Because it's accessible?

>>74454555
Because it's explicitly designed to be popular?

>>74454575
I would argue otherwise. That Night Of Assassins or w/e has the main bass line change often to another part. For me that kinda stuff is just as bad as Kid Cudi's Speedin Bullet 2 Heaven in terms of bloated overlong crap.

>>74454577
hip hop and rock does not sound the same

>>74454486
The usual: NIN, SONOIO, FLA, Skinny Puppy, Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Clock DVA, Laibach, Velvet Acid Christ, VNV Nation, KMFDM, Haujobb, God Module, TBM, Die Krupps. Some of this stuff is more EBM but whatever.

>>74454555
Pop is popular because it's degenerate and basic people love that. The women rub their clits on stage and the men bring girls on stage as well as advocating degenerate lisfestylea

>>74454370
What if I like LRD, Otomo Yoshihide, OPN and Tim Hecker all at the same time.

>>74454628
Then I guess you just don't like it. That doesn't mean that it has no value, and the guitar lines definitely do change. Both Fushitsusha and LRD are incredibly psychedelic.

>>74454816
You aren't trying to pull some bullshit attempt at superiority that too much of this board does, which is fine. My point being that this "obscure" music isn't some some technical/complex behemoth peeps here often make it out to be nor does it have anything else going for it that makes it inherently superior.
>>74454823
I don't. But none of the "obscure taste=superior" guys really have much of an argument to stand on when a lot of what they like has far less nuance than their more well known counterparts.

>and the guitar lines definitely do change
Sure, like 10 minutes into a song if we are lucky. A lot longer if you're listening to something like Nothing Changes' first track I think or was it the second one that's almost all haino?

>>74451306 & >>74454370
/thread

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>>74454641
all good stuff accept skinny puppy of course.

>>74454922
But literally no one claims that obscure = good. Sure, having an obscure taste means that you've at least looked into more artists (although a non-obscure taste can either mean that you don't look into it or did look into it and didn't like it).

Also, claiming that Branca is the counterpart of either Haino or LRD is ridiculous. The only characteristic they share is that they have noisy elements, otherwise they're completely different.

>>74451206
I can hear your mouth breathing through my monitor

>>74454922
>obscure taste=superior
Nice straw-man.

>>74455035
>But literally no one claims that obscure = good.
Literally read the rest of this thread.
>or did look into it and didn't like it
Which is something that often for some reason gets completely ignored by the people that unironically believe in the pretentious tripe.
>Also, claiming that Branca is the counterpart of either Haino or LRD is ridiculous. The only characteristic they share is that they have noisy elements, otherwise they're completely different.
Noisy walls of sound that often have repeating sections to create abrasive yet hypnotic feel that also nets overtones?

>>74455081
No strawman. It's just the truth. You even made obscurity scores to rate people by. Also the funniest example considering you have been around for so long yet have fallen for every meme unironically here.

>>74455105
>Literally read the rest of the thread
point me to a post saying that music is better if it's obscure
>noisy walls of sound that often have repeating sections
I must be listening to the wrong Branca because I see repeating sections but no walls of sound.

>>74454134
There was a noise rock general, there's a recurring classical and Jazz and dark and industrial general sometimes. Shit I know you don't browse the board that often because there are genuinely interesting music posted every day. there's at least one post of interesting music posted

>>74454522
>when music is entirely subjective.
Not true there are objective measurements made with music. Music TASTE is subjective not music

>>74455967
That's probably what he meant. After all, the term has been used so often that the meaning has changed.

>>74455930
>I know you don't browse the board that often
>because there are genuinely interesting music posted every day. there's at least one post of interesting music posted
Oh, the irony

>>74455967
True

Thanks for this, I can articulate it better now

>>74456018
Not him but I get at least 3 good recs a day from here.

>>74452174
Stop trying to force this copypasta.

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>>74455930
>dark and industrial general sometimes
yea,plot twits, I MAKE THEM and been trying to get the neo folk one going. Shit barely gets over 10 bumps and you fucking know that. yea there ARE different generals doesn't mean anything is discussed because the flavor of the month form p4k and radiohead take up all the discussion

>>74456045
Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to prove, that he (and you in this case too) don't browse the board too often (in his own words). You eventually reach a point where /mu/ becomes a repeated joke.

>>74455703
>yeah, you have to be more knowledgeable than average to appreciate it
>90% of popular experimental musicians just water-down obscure crap to sell it to the masses.
That's just from the first bit of the thread
>I must be listening to the wrong Branca because I see repeating sections but no walls of sound.
>no walls of sound in Branca's music
Bruh what? Dude's got like so many guitars going at once that cover the frequency range through the variety of parts they play.

>>74456270
Neither of those points claim that obscure music is necessarily good music, the first one says that it takes more effort to find and listen to, and the second one accuses popular artists of stealing from obscure artists
>Bruh what
I'm listening to The Ascension and the Lesson No. 1 EP. Both use a lot of empty space, although I might be listening to the wrong albums (which I explicitly wrote in my post). Not to mention that I think that Fushitsusha pulls that wall off really well.

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>>74451113
B-b-b-but the Deftones are so deep and the heaviest thing alive with feeling that resonates.

OP is actually right though, everyone here refuting him/her is just an insulted pussy. A lot of good bands take sweet parts from obscure songs that just don't quite hit the mark and rework it to be better and palatable. And it's totally fine too, if you can make something better than do it.

Best example I can think of is Wino covering Joy Division's 'Isolation' - a lot of 80's bands soiled really good compositions with their cheesy 80's tones and electronics being used just because they were trendy. Nirvana stealing parts from Kraftwerk is totally acceptable. Kraftwerk is new-wave shit.

There are even good song compositions by the Germs that are unlistenable shit because they're the Germs, and could totally be appropriated into really good shoegaze or doom metal.

I don't come to this board often because everyone here is such a faggot and discusses trendy shit mostly, but I liked this post and just want to say the OP is 100% right.

How do you music normies not get tired of listening to the same cluster of bands for years on end and only accept limited imput from /mu/ trends?

Neutral Milk Hotel is pure hipster garbage.
Amon Amarth and all viking-aesthetic metal is crap.
Black metal is derivative garbage, there were maybe only 5 good bands that sparked the whole things before fizzling out themselves.
Metal is a fucking joke and misses the point entirely without rock or blues.
Acquired taste experimental Hip-hop is only popular because people want to look cool and "get it"
"Prog" sucks too, 70's Rush and 70's Pink Floyd figured it out, but bands like Genesis and ELP blow, awful tones and they use "Prog" as an excuse for their disconnected clusterfuck "compositions".
Everyone here who yells "Dad Rock!" when people mention Deep Purple or anything older is a fag too. Dad Rock actually has to suck, like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, the worst of KISS etc.

>>74451915
>artistic value found within obscurity
more like unintelligent dance music

>>74455703
>music is better if it's obscure
Sound-wise this is objectively untrue

But a song being ingrained into pop-culture and everyone having been exposed to it mercilessly for years tends to ruin the song whether is good or not. Somewhere in an alternative universe I am hearing "Don't Stop Believing" for the first time and it okay and doesn't sound like the liquified garbage commercial anthem of fat fuck aging Americans that it is.

Plus when you find music you love and it's obscure (or borderline obscure) it becomes something special and because of it's rarity you value and cherish more, knowing that most people are unaware or don't like it, which in other ways makes it way better.

Here's a song I like that is somewhat obscure,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Hh7nAQOaA

And the main guitar hook has been borrowed, which actually sounds awesome in other songs too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX7FYLgkp-0

>>74458351
Are you disproving a point that I was arguing doesn't exist? I mean, you explain it very well but it seems like a waste. And by "sound-wise", do you mean sound quality?

>>74458096
You sound like a bitter older guy. Go pick up your kids from soccer practice or something dude

>>74458415
Sound-wise, as in post-facto record sales and Youtube views do not actually effect what the song sounds like. The point I'm making is obscurity can make songs better personally, not musically.

>>74458662
And it's also not worse because it's obscure, gotcha. I just don't understand how you thought I was making that point.

>>74458453
I'm 23 and have to listen to Spanish Pop, Radio-oriented EDM and Bruce Springstreen and other white-trash hits all day when working for Amazon because spics cry when they don't get their songs played over the overhead speakers, and when people complain to play some fucking rock once and awhile, they skip stuff that is agreeable like the Beatles or Alice Cooper and jump straight into the "Rock for adults" shit you hear at Wal-mart. That coupled with Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" and Miley Cyrus' "Party in the USA" playing 1 to 3 times a day for months no matter how much everyone complains about the playlist - yes I am bitter.

>>74458688
>implying I though you were making that point

I just like thoroughly discussing. Replies can be clarifications and expansions on an idea, not always just argumental points.

>>74451915
>If you’re only exposed to that kind of stuff and then Radiohead come along you will probably think that they are geniuses.
He's right. Radiohead is only liked by people that haven't heard any other experimental music.

>>74454555
it's popular because major labels cook that shit up in a laboratory