What is the modern equivalent of Bjork's Post?

>>74404753

Grimes: Art Angels. I swear I'm not memeing.

>>74404760
Both shit albums so this makes sense

>>74404760
I trust you. AA is a masterpiece.

>>74404833
kys, post is a masterpiece.

>>74404961
forgot about art angels

>>74406170
Did you? Too bad.

>>74404961
Vulnicura > Vespertine > Medulla > Homogenic > Biophilia > Volta > Music from DR9 > Selmasongs > Post > Debut > Visions >>> Art Angels

>>74406237
A new Bjork fan. How cute.

>>74406237
holy shit taste

>>74406237
you are like a little babby

>>74406267
please do not unfairly disparage people anon, let love in2 ur heart <:'^)

>>74406267
>>74406300
>>74406311
Fucking idiots, I've loved Bjork since long before Vulnicura came out. If you really want to go on about how Debut/Post/Homogenic is her best and Volta totes sux becuz its so le CRINGE LYRICS you're the fucking plebs here

>>74406237
How someone fucks up a Bjork ranking this much is beyond me.

Homogenic = Vespertine > Biophilia > Debut > Post > Vulnicura > Volta >>> Medulla

>>74406384
please do not be so aggressive towards your fellow anons, anon. We r all here 2 share and discuss our love 4 music be ez friend we are on an anonymous image board <:'^)

U r corrupting ur soul by uttering such negative notions my friend

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>>74404753
But AA is better.

>>74406384
C a l m d o w n.

>>74406237
You got it wrong. It's viceversa. How much a pleb you must be to underrate Grimes' album so much? How are shitty albums like Volta, Medulla, Biophilia better than V & AA?

>>74406384
Hahahaha. Nice to see it annoyed you. Made my day! Just trying to help! :)

>>74406409
Actually you're right. Post is patchy at best.

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>>74406361
Open your mind to me! 8D

>>74406415
>Calling Biophilia shitty and Visions not shitty

Damn.

>>74406405
Anon I used to be like you, I used to try and be nice and civil to everyone on 4chan, but it doesn't work. I have to put on the persona of a bitter shithead to get point across or else I'm just ignored :(
>>74406415
Volta, Medulla, and Biophilia are excellent albums, Visions AA are bad
>>74406414
I'm fucking sorry ok?

>>74406384
>uhghnn everyone's telling me i have shit taste but it's them who have shit taste!!!

>>74406396
decent rating and i respect your opinion

my personal ranking is
Homogenic > Debut > Medúlla > Vespertine > Post > Vulnicura > Biophilia > Volta

but i have shit taste so :^(

>>74406451
Visions is great. Visions has Genesis, Oblivion, Be a Body, Circumambient, Symphonia IX, Skin, Vowels = Space and Time, Nightmusic, Colour of Moonlight. Biophilia has a shitty app.

>>74406456
Medulla will never click with me. I just don't like acapella

>>74406482
>Making fun of the app to avoid talking about the album itself
Neat.

>>74406454
>Volta, Medulla, and Biophilia are excellent albums, Visions AA are bad
I bet all my money you don't even remember one song from these albums. V & AA are so much better it's not even funny. They completely btfo all Bjork's patchy albums.

>>74406482
Biophilia is beautiful album with poetic lyrics and an engaging study in texture. plus Solstice is the best closer she ever wrote.
Visions has two good songs, the big hits

>>74406502
>missing the point
That app was the only memorable thing about that shitty and dull album.................

>>74406482
not that anon but I mean I might agree that Visions and Art angels are better than Biophilia and Volta

but that's easily the patchiest spot in Bjork's discography desu so that's not saying much

>>74406513
>Visions has two good songs, the big hits
FALSE. All those songs I mentioned before are great. Biophilia doesn't have one decent song.

>>74406520
I remember the songs on it a lot more than I do most of visions. It's my least favorite Grimes album.

>>74406508
>>74406522
They're all great albums, Bjork never had a patchy period, just a period where some people struggled to understand what she was doing

>>74406237
Trying way too hard
2/10 troll made me respond.

>>74406522
They're also better than all Bjork albums. Pick her best album: Homogenic. If you discared the singles, there's nothing good remaining. Also it's so unemotional like an Icelandic glacier. Good art stirs emotions, don't leave you cold.

>>74406539
Every song on Biophilia is great except for Hollow, which is the shortest track on the album anyway and helps the pacing of the album

I didn't like Biophilia or Medulla at first but they grew on me a lot, love them now. Volta is her worst album, it's good but not as good as the others, Voltaic/Volta live DVD is great though.

Why the fuck does everything have to be a competition with Grimes? I hate this board sometimes.

>>74406561
eh i mean idk

I like biophilia but to this day i struggle to fit volta into my normal listening rotation

i would argue that volta is bjork's only not good album, but even at that it's probably a strong 5

>>74406587
Because of the 3 anons that obsess over her on here and ruin every other thread.

>>74406561
>Bjork never had a patchy period, just a period where some people struggled to understand what she was doing
Nice excuse. Anything after Vespertine is of a lower quality than her '90s music. Even her '90s albums had filler. Bjork's main problem is her inconsistent songwriting. Grimes is far, far more consistent and better.

>>74406572
Homogenic literally doesn't have a weak track, what are you talking about?

The "weakest" track on the record imo is 5 Years which is still a great track lyrically and vocally

>>74406584
>Every song on Biophilia is great
(You)

>>74406614
>grimes is a more consistent songwriter than bjork

geidi primes and halfaxa are actual trash

>>74406607

Yeah you can tell just by the writing style, hell, one even said "I bet you all my money..." the other day too lol >>74406508

>>74406621
>Homogenic literally doesn't have a weak track, what are you talking about?
Pluto, Immature, 5 Years, All Neon Like and Hunter are weak songs. No decent hooks, no good arrangements, just empty boring shells of songs.

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>>74406659
>geidi primes and halfaxa are actual trash
Dude, you're hyper pleb if you really believe that. Don't ever pretend to be patrician.

>>74406565
I've posted that exact list on a bunch of Bjork threads and it's always gotten a very positive response with anons agreeing with me and having similar rankings. I think the issue is thes thread is made up of grimesfags and waifufags (who aren't real fans)
>>74406572
wtf
>>74406593
Volta has a couple of her worst songs, but outside of that it has some real beauties like Pneumonia and My Juvenile
>>74406614
Wrong. Medulla, Volta, and Biohphilia and unique and creative albums with great songwriting and emotional resonance
>>74406636
I'm right though

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>>74406669
>Decent hooks

>>74406668
>implying only one person could say these sentences
You should seek professional help. Your delusions and conspiracy theories are overwhelming.

>>74406669
Holy fucking shit this is brainpower I'm dealing with
Listen to the drum programming on Hunter again

>>74406710
>Wrong. Medulla, Volta, and Biohphilia and unique and creative albums with great songwriting and emotional resonance
They're shitty albums. No one would care if they were made by someone else. If Grimes would have make them, you would pan her hard. You know it.

>>74406714

It's definitely the same person, they (you?) were defending Grimes in the other thread too https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/74359655/#74363465

>>74406732
>Listen to the drum programming on Hunter again
I've heard better dum programming. See, that's the issue: you are impressed by production and flourishes but don't realize that song goes nowhere and it doesn't have a satisfying chorus and ending. It's a mediocre song at best.

>>74406744
They're more singular than nothing Grimes has ever done, AA and Visions are way less adventurous

>>74406785
I'll be back with an argument after my dinner. :)

>>74406746
I see that you have a problem with people defending Grimes. If you dislike that, then don't say shit about her music. Don't whine when you get what you deserve.

>>74406746

Yep, you can tell it’s the same few people ruining threads every time. They all end up with the same arguments about how they’re right and everyone else is wrong.

You’d think they’d get bored of spouting the same shit every day but no

>>74406811
>maybe if i defend grimes on the internet enough my waifu will come and swoop me away and we'll live happily ever after :)

>>74406790
>They're more singular than nothing Grimes has ever done, AA and Visions are way less adventurous
Did you even listen to Geidi Primes and Halfaxa? Those albums are way more singular than anything Bjork has ever done. BTW Bjork ripped off Claire Hamill - Voices when she did Medulla. She's not original as you think. Without her great producers she would be a footnote in the '90s.
Bjork is based on 2 things: her voice and production. She never had strong songwriting skills.

>>74406811

Defending Grimes is fine, just when they say shit like if Grimes had made a Bowie album I like you'd bet all your money you wouldn't like it when I said I would have, and I'm a grimes fan! How the fuck do you know what I think?

basically this >>74406821 You can't state your opinion without being shat on.

Why does /mu/ overrate Bjork so much? Is her music that great?

>>74404753
The Bends

>>74406948

/mu/ doesn't overrate her. It is that great yes.

>>74406821
>You’d think they’d get bored of spouting the same shit every day but no
Maybe it's time to avoid these threads if you dislike them so much. I and other fans aren't going anywhere. You should know by now what you get in these threads.

>>74406982

I try to, but sometimes you get a good discussion going about Bjork or someone then you come in, even in Bjork's own general thread. I don't go into the Grimes thread and talk about Bjork. I'm a fan, I just don't feel the need to defend her as strongly as you

>>74406851
>Did you even listen to Geidi Primes and Halfaxa?
No, sorry. I'm really not inclined to go out of my way to listen to more of an artist when the two albums I have listened to sounded so poor. Hey, maybe they're good
>BTW Bjork ripped off Claire Hamill - Voices when she did Medulla
Not really, you my as well say she ripped off Meredith Monk. The point of Medulla isn't that it's an album of acapella music, it's to see how much the human voice can be manipulated to sound nonhuman or nonorganic.
>Without her great producers she would be a footnote in the '90s.
This is insulting and diminishing. Bjork is an excellent producer in her own right, Matmos and Arca had much less influence on her music than you think. The only collaborator that had a significant influence on her production is Mark Bell, and even then I don't think it's fair to dismiss an artist's work because they collaborate.
>Bjork is based on 2 things: her voice
well yeah
>and production
well yeah
>She never had strong songwriting skills.
Yikesaloo! Structure-wise she's never done anything amazing, but Bjork's music is bursting with stunning melodies, textures, instrumention, and poetry. I don't really know what to say if you think her songwriting is poor desu

>>74407122
This is not a Bjork general, just a specific thread about albums like Post.
>I'm a fan, I just don't feel the need to defend her as strongly as you
I just like that. I feel no effort doing that.

>>74407152
>No, sorry. I'm really not inclined to go out of my way to listen to more of an artist when the two albums I have listened to sounded so poor. Hey, maybe they're good
They're actually different than V & AA: way more dreamy, floaty, experimental, enigmatic. Kinda like a synthpop Cocteau Twins. People who like them tend to dislike V & AA and viceversa.
>Not really, you my as well say she ripped off Meredith Monk. The point of Medulla isn't that it's an album of acapella music, it's to see how much the human voice can be manipulated to sound nonhuman or nonorganic.
Listen to that Claire Hamill album and you'll understand.
>This is insulting and diminishing. Bjork is an excellent producer in her own right, Matmos and Arca had much less influence on her music than you think. The only collaborator that had a significant influence on her production is Mark Bell, and even then I don't think it's fair to dismiss an artist's work because they collaborate.
Let's face it, she had good producers. They helped her music to elevate from ordinary.
>Yikesaloo! Structure-wise she's never done anything amazing, but Bjork's music is bursting with stunning melodies, textures, instrumention, and poetry. I don't really know what to say if you think her songwriting is poor desu
Her songwriting is so try hard. It doesn't sound efortless like Grimes. Like there's always something missing, mainly from her choruses.

>>74407375

>Let's face it, she had good producers. They helped her music to elevate from ordinary.

Read more interviews with her and her producers, and look at the credits.

Bjork does most of the work. For example, Arca listened to an unfinished version of Vulnicura, he cried he thought it was that good and didn't think anything needed to be added. Matmos didn't even produce anything, they added some percussion on a few tracks on Vespertine when it was 99% done and some programming on one song on Medulla

>>74407375
I like Cocteau Twins, I guess I'll check them out
>Claire Hamill album and you'll understand.
Alright, I did listen to one track when you mentioned it but It seemed like fairly standard contemporary acapella. I'll give it a go later on the evening when I have time
>she had good producers. They helped her music to elevate from ordinary.
I don't deny that she worked with good prodcuers anon, I absolutely love Matmos. But to say they elevated her from the ordinary is a gross overstatement, she's immensely talented and was never ordinary to begin with. I also think it's unfair to describe them "her producers" rather than just producers she worked with, your making her sound like Britney Spears.
>Her songwriting is so try hard. It doesn't sound efortless like Grimes. Like there's always something missing, mainly from her choruses.
My blood is boiling anon :/
I guess that's just something we have very different opinions on; try-hard is a label I'd put on Grimes, who's never sound effortless as much as gaudy and contrived (outside a couple of songs) to me

I BET YOU ALL THE MONEY

>>74407584
>I like Cocteau Twins, I guess I'll check them out
A random song from Halfaxa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A_aauG6n0I
It has under 3 minutes. If you like this, you'll probably like the whole Halfaxa.

>>74407584
OK, I admit I was mean. I enjoy most Bjork singles but her album tracks are underwheling to me.
>I guess that's just something we have very different opinions on; try-hard is a label I'd put on Grimes, who's never sound effortless as much as gaudy and contrived (outside a couple of songs) to me
Grimes is trying too hard but she succeeds. Her songs never sound half assed or underwhelming. All her songs are full of little details which make them super enjoyable to listen to. It's a joy to listen to her music. I've never heard someone who mixed experimental with pop so well and in such a seamless way.

>>74407760
THAT UR A PLƎB

>>74407867
>I've never heard someone who mixed experimental with pop so well and in such a seamless way.
Examples of this? I just listened to Dream Fortress and I loved the interaction between the strings and the beat at the start, but once it gets into the actual song it turns into engaging ambient pop
>>74407799
Damn she really does sound like Elizabeth on this track. It's okay I guess. It's perfectly listenable (unlike some of her songs that just grate), but I'm not grabbed by it desu
Oh wait Weregild sounds good. I like it :)
I think I'll give Halfaxa a listen. Thread'll portably be dead by the time it's done but whatever

>>74407970
>Examples of this? I just listened to Dream Fortress and I loved the interaction between the strings and the beat at the start, but once it gets into the actual song it turns into engaging ambient pop
Basically most of her music. Here's a random song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsYt1-5MXT4 When that chorus hits the feeling is like you're in heaven.
Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_AIWO2AUQ
Early in her career she did some extended nameless experimental jams like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhNxvoXOKcI

>>74407970
>I think I'll give Halfaxa a listen.
Do it. It's her most dreamy and experimental album. It may take a while to really get into it.

final bump

Vespertine > Homogenic > Vulnicura > Post > Visions > Debut > Biophilia > Art Angels > Medulla > Volta

>>74411017
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Medulla>Biophilia>Volta>Vespertine>Debut>Vulnicura>everything else

>>74411017
shit taste

>>74406482
Circumambient is the only good song

>>74406572
worst opinion I've ever heard

death grips No Love Deep Web

>>74406659
>her only good albums are actual trash
made me think

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>>74406409

>>74407375
>someone destroys your argument
>only response is "let's face it"

I'm the hunter.

>>74412358
I'm going hunting

>>74412115
Pffffffffffffffffft. That's false. She has tons of good songs.

>>74412165
>her only good albums
made me think

there isnt a never will be fuck grimes

>>74412992
One on Art Angels and one on Visions, also most of Halfaxa and her assorted jams

>>74413192
>One on Art Angels and one on Visions
>he believes this
You're just silly. Do you think people would care so much about her if she had so few good songs? Think again.

>>74413328
>Do you think people would care so much about her if she had so few good songs?
This is /mu/. And also, they would care if they THOUGHT that she had more than a few good songs. I'm convinced that grimesfags are a deep-cover trolling group.

>>74413358
This is bullshit. You may think she's a meme but there are lots of people who like her music unironically. Maybe you should go outside of this silly board and see what other people say about her. Let me tell you that she wouldn't get so much critical acclaim if she had only a few good songs. The truth is that YOU just like a FEW of her songs.
>I'm convinced that grimesfags are a deep-cover trolling group.
You're completely delusional, then. As I said, check other places. e.g. Here's a thread on a Lana Del Rey's board: http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/276-grimes/page-1
Read those posts.

>>74413461
>Let me tell you that she wouldn't get so much critical acclaim if she had only a few good songs
But she can and does because the critics THINK that she has more than a few good songs.
>the truth is that YOU just like a FEW of her songs
And likewise, you and a bunch of critics that don't matter DON'T just like a FEW of her songs.

>>74413358
Another one - this fucking big thread (>2500 posts) on ilxor: https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?action=showall&boardid=41&threadid=90302
People are telling their honest opinion about her. There are positive posts and negative posts. If you manage to read everything you'll see that the huge majority of posts are positive.
Do you still think Grimes is just a meme?

>>74413514
>But she can and does because the critics THINK that she has more than a few good songs.
Ask yourself: WHY do they think that? Hint: music taste is subjective and those critics LIKED those songs. There's no rocket science: people simply enjoyed her music. This is all that matters.
>And likewise, you and a bunch of critics that don't matter DON'T just like a FEW of her songs.
Unlike you and me, the critics matter. They could influence the music fans. You know very well that a good score on P4K guarantees popularity -> more people listening to that music.

>>74413547
>Do you still think Grimes is just a meme
I think that she has three good songs out of her last two albums, but calling an artist a meme is literally a meme so I doubt I'd go that far. My point is that just because she's well-liked doesn't mean that she has good songs, the trolling group thing was a reaction to how stupid your post was, and how I couldn't believe someone could genuinely post it

>>74413615
>music taste is subjective
>people wouldn't care about her if she had so few good songs
The point


Your head

>>74413650
>My point is that just because she's well-liked doesn't mean that she has good songs
Ever crossed your mind that she's well liked because she has many good songs?
>>74413666
Your point is pointless. Music taste is subjective, so those people wouldn't like her so much if they subjectively enjoyed only a few of her songs (the good songs). Direct relation: she has many good songs --> she's liked a lot.

>>74414075
>Music taste is subjective
THAT'S MY FUCKING POINT
I think that she only has a few good songs, others do not and therefore like her for it. Point me to a post where I said that she objectively only has a few good songs.
>Direct relation
People SUBJECTIVELY think she has many good songs --> she's liked a lot

>>74414107
>People SUBJECTIVELY think she has many good songs --> she's liked a lot
Exactly. That's the popular opinion --> consensus.
Your opinion that she has a few good songs --> unpopular and contrarian.
Consensus 1 - You 0.

>>74414211
And how does that matter at all? Do you tell everyone that has an unpopular opinion "hurr the consensus disagrees"? Plus, there's nothing wrong with having a contrarian opinion.
Consensus 0 - Me 0

>>74414238
There's nothing wrong with that but then don't whine when people disagree with your unpopular opinions. And don't make false claims like:
>This is /mu/. And also, they would care if they THOUGHT that she had more than a few good songs. I'm convinced that grimesfags are a deep-cover trolling group.
This is bullshit.

Basically you don't really like her music and you still assume that all her fans here must be trolls or just think she has more than a few good songs - like there's an impossible thing to just like those songs.

>>74414376
What exactly is false about my claim? Keep in mind that the trolling group thing was a reaction to the fact that you
1. Think that /mu/ wouldn't be autistic enough to endlessly discuss an artist with very few songs
2. Thought that there's no way that people outside of /mu/ might be wrong.

Also I love how you're saying that I'm whining when your whole conversation has been you complaining about what I said

>>74414399
see
>>74413650

>>74414441
>1. Think that /mu/ wouldn't be autistic enough to endlessly discuss an artist with very few songs
This board is lame but they would be completely bored of her by now. Let's be real. Meanwhile she's discussed d a i l y.
Do a little experiment: ask people to name their favorite Grimes songs. If you'll see diverse lists, that would mean she has plenty of good songs.
>2. Thought that there's no way that people outside of /mu/ might be wrong.
They're not wrong because music taste's quality is subjective. There's no wrong or right taste. Just music you think it's good and music you think it's bad.

Xiu xiu

>>74414510
>but they would be completely bored of her now
You overestimate /mu/ to the largest degree I've ever seen. And no, that does not prove that she has plenty of good songs at all, once again
>They're not wrong
Yes, but it's subjective. You said that there's no way that Grimes only has a few good songs because a lot of people like her, which is just retarded to say.

>>74414559
Let's clear things up, because your thinking is messy at best:
1. Having good songs is subjective.
2. Many people (including critics) like plenty of her songs and think they're good songs.
3. Let's suppose she has only a few good songs. People (including critics) would like them but they would pan her albums. The respect she gets would be much lower. People will get tired of her only few songs and maybe she will be regarded as a novelty act.
That's the difference between someone with plenty of good songs (Grimes) and someone with a handful of good songs (e.g. Chelsea Wolfe): people care much more about the former kind of artist. They're more involved in analyzing her work and even her life. Someone with just a handful of good songs is usually just a footnote, not the main chapter.

>>74406686
there's absolutely nothing patrician about Grimes. just stop. you're the same fucking faggot in every thread and I can tell by the way you write. Patrician doesn't mean shit anymore because of retards like you

>>74415076
Dude, you're a complete dumbass if you take those memes seriously. Take you pills and go to sleep; you're too stupid today.

>>74414796
>Having good songs is subjective
Yes
>Many people (including critics) like plenty of her songs and think they're good songs
...yes
>Let's suppose she has only a few good songs
Ok
>People (including critics) would like them but they would pan her albums
No shit

What did I ever say that disagrees with you on those points? You're repeating what I've been trying to say. The only difference is that I disagree with you and the critics.

>>74415396
I don't get what's your real point. I said that she got so much attention and acclaim because she has many good songs. Isn't that fucking obvious?

>>74415818
And I think that she got so much attention and acclaim because people think that she has many good songs, because music is FUCKING SUBJECTIVE. something you appear to not realize.