What is the biggest redpill about music?

>>74359220
It's a meme

That what the majority think about music almost completely disregards anything that is not western ie. African music (sub saharan) and south east asia (gamelan drumming). Sure there are a lot of people who know this but the majority are ignorant to world music (yeah it's a shitty catch all term but for the purpose of this post i'm gonna use it). We can really learn a lot from their uses of rhythm and melody

That people who use terms like "redpill" are cancer and should generally form their own opinions.

1910 = music begins

That there is no good music.

>>74359220
>Using the term "redpill"
Fuck off you /pol/ activist, stop trying to pollute other boards with your poisonous ideology.

>>74359306
Music, like the rest of western civilisation, ended in 1945 you fucking normie

>>74359319
Oh, the hypocrisy...

>>74359333
The right wing destroyed Germany and made millions of Germans die

Then the left took control over Germany after world war 2 and it became a world superpower again.

The left literally saved Germany

>>74359220
its all about the money meid

>>74359333
If that's true then why does krautrock exist?

people don't think you're smart or interesting for listening to classical or art rock

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>>74359364
>post-african repetitions

You are into music because you want to make music and have that be "your purpose". But you can't. So instead you revolve you're life around analyzing the music that everyone else is making.
Other people don't care about music that much, so they just listen to whatever. This angers you.

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>>74359333
and stay down

>>74359436
yep this is a redpill

>>74359436
fuck you

>>74359401
africa confirmed patrician

>>74359340
Fuck your buzzwords and fuckoff

Rap is real emo

>>74359220
recording technology has completely ruined the very core of what makes music so provocative

When it comes down to it, music is the ultimate fad

Other people really don't fucking give a shit. Listen to whatever.

it's not the most important thing

>>74359220
Like some redpill ccck? Plz rspnd.

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The real fucking redpill is that music was never meant as a means of art

It was intended for remembering prayer
Every piece of music afterwards owes it's heritage to the church

>>74359765
this would be true if music didn't exist before christianity (it did)

>>74359319
libtards should stay off 4chan

>>74359782
None recorded though.
It did not survive because no one wrote it down.
we only know about it because we found fossils of instruments.

I would say that because of that, pre chant music did not influence music

>>74359793
lol trigert

>>74359839
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xERitvFYpAk
wrong again

Everything sounds the same and it's all shit

>>74359793
poltards should stay on their containment board

>>74359220
pop music is used to indoctrinate the youth
real gucci is dead

>>74359333
all greatest composers of the 20th century wrote their greatest pieces after the ww2

>>74359839
Furthermore, church modes were based (though incorrectly) off of greek modes. They at least got the names right. Pythagoreas's and Aristotle's theories of music/acoustics are preserved at the very least. Pythagoreas even has an entire tuning system to his name.

>>74359879
the 20th century is g*y

>>74359839
>music before the church is not recorded therefore the church invented music
damn this really is a redpill

>>74359765
It's a language. And the use of languages changes through time so it's pretty irrelevant what the primary function or meaning was.

>>74359916
ok, the men in wigs and drag weren't gay then

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>>74359220
Every piece ever fits somewhere in here. Also see how there's no good or bad.

>>74359940
where does the wu-tang clan fall on this chart?

>>74359954
pop

>>74359930
It especially doesn't matter because early church fathers perceived sung sacred music as a way to express God's beauty (this is also why art was mostly Christian in the early ages). In fact a lot of people (Thomas of Aquinas included iirc, though he did see the merits) became wary of music as a way to express prayer because the pleasure was just too powerful.

>>74359865
To do what? Apart from buying shit maybe

>>74359958
how?

>>74360000
by being pop music homo

>>74359436
Underrated even with 3 replies

>>74359940
Thread idea: make this a sliding scale (2D, triangle) and list some artists to place on it

>>74359319
you are on 4chan, how fucking retarted are you

>>74360029
this is why /pol/ is the easiest board to troll

The less intellectually engaged you are, the more pleasurable music becomes. This applies to creating, performing, and listening.

>>74360037
The blinder of a sheep you are, the more you enjoy, in other words. Undeniable, yet unfortunate.

>>74360037
i'm sorry, my dude, by jam bands are fucking horrible

>>74359220
The Backstreet Boys did 9/11.

>>74359220
>redpill
no

>>74360061
objectively true

>>74360055
Jam Bands are based around improvisation and knowledge of music. That's intelluctually engaged.

>>74359940
These are also pointless labels. No one uses this to specify what genre an artist is. It's way too vague.

>>74359220
>he's still on red pills in a bogpilled age
get a load of this dingus

>>74360083
i mean with similar logic you could argue youtube poops are "intellectually engaged"

>>74359940
"Pop" as a music descriptor is as useless as whatever derogatory term /mu/ is regurgitating in a given month. I believe it is currently " nu male"

>>74360117
I have no idea what "YouTube poops" are/is.

>>74360117
Bad example, YTPs involve creative editing at the very least

>>74359436
sad but true and now i want to die

>>74360142
It's baneposting from 2007-09 except replace the plane scene with really shitty mario and zelda cutscenes from a terrible non-Nintendo console

>>74360117
they actually are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hC3H-wv7SU

>>74360162
That arrangement of words doesn't mean anything to me. Still don't understand.

music is shit for retarded minds
just read poetry pleb!

>>74360179
are you new or are you just 40 years old?

>>74360061
kek

>>74360179
this is a YTP
>>74360172

or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K146oGH0pXM

>>74360190
This is some sort of visual "comedy" or something.
I thought we were talking about music.

>>74359436
stop being right, cunt.

the more you listen to music, the less you enjoy it

>>74359436
Kill yourself

>>74360487
You are into music because you want to make music and have that be "your purpose". But you can't.

>>74359342
Lol...

>>74359436
This, notice how most mutants are ugly? Its a form of compensation/not measuring up to normalfag social standards, so they create their own social hierrchies. Ever wonder why the rym/lastfm communities are the cancerous judgemental hivemind shitholes that they are?

grimes is shit
animal collective is shit
NiN is shit
Kanye is shit
Lamar is shit

>>74360548
that's not a redpill that's just being edgy

>>74360616
t. grimes fan

>>74360037
Cringe. This is what uggos tell themselves as compensation

That what we consider popular and influential now can and will likely be considered garbage 100 years from now in the history books. Classical music critics don't look at how popular the composer was when then were alive and afterwards to determine how much of an influence they have and how important they are. They look at the music theory, the concepts used in their work that set them apart, and how people who composed after them used the same concepts. Rock and other pop music critics just look at sales. I guarantee that the pop music of today will be considered a dead end when it comes to how music evolves throughout history on the future. The Beatles may go down in history as one of the greatest rock bands of early rock, but maybe they won't. It just takes time to determine how and why this music is good and important.

>>74361806
This is bluepill my dude.

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pic related are saving music

the intensity of your reaction to a musical piece isn't an arbiter of aesthetic excellence in any way whatsoever

>>74359342
You're an idiot. Hitler got Germany out of economic depression.
And he was left economically and right socially.

>>74359220
harmony > rhythm

>>74359436
:(

>>74359436
how do I get out of this trap? should I stop listening to other people's music altogether and start doing my own?

Pop music is better than Classical.

>>74359436
holy fuck...

>>74361961
You /pol/tards are embarrassing. He got out of the depression by building a military industry used to kill people and take land. And that accomplishment is completely overstated since Germany was in fiscal danger again by the end of the 30s, so they war effort continued to compensate. How can you fucks seriously look to Hitler as some great person? Is it just to be a contrarian since most see him as the worst person to ever live?

>>74359793
ar u angry people have different political opinions to u ;'(
>>74359319
>>74359271
tru
>>74359684
I mean there is emo rap
>>74360061
lol
>>74360548
edgy af

>>74359436
But I do make music. But I still have no purpose. No one has a purpose but to love, friendo

>>74359436
Am I the only one who has been totally concious (and pretty much content) with this reality for a long time? Besides the part where I can't make music, since I haven't given up on that yet.

>>74359839
>What is Beowulf

>>74359342
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>74359342
the left is trying to replace ethnic germans with brown people. a nation can recover from war; they can never recover from being bred out of existence.

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>>74359839
>None recorded though.
You extremelly retarded.

women are the driving force being all major musical trends because it is much more lucrative to cater to women than to men.

twenty one pilots is awful and people are just pretending that they're deep

>>74360407
this is definitely true and i hate it

>>74360084
>>74360128

It is vague but there's only three ways you can describe for what purpose the music was made or is being used for:

>folk music
Old songs, cultural and national ties, sung on rare occasions and celebrations. Think birthday songs, national anthems, really old folk songs and standards, polka from the Alps idk shit man anything like that.

>Popular music
Music mostly made by the industry for mass appeal, this is literally anybody signed by a (major) label that produces music for entertainment purposes. Answering >>74359954 that the Wu is quite obviously pop music, maybe not 100% because I'm not completely familiar but it's definitely pop music.

>Art music
Academic or simply just experimental music. Here lies a lot of classical music, jazz, electronic, noise, nature sounds literally anything that doesn't fit into the first two and has some sort of conceptualization or research.

This in short is how I see it at least. But then you have crossovers and shit. Folk-influenced classical music from Dvorak or something is definitely a little to the folk circle or maybe a cross. Then you have "experimental" pop music, you could argue it goes somewhere in between, maybe Trout Mask Replica for example and so on.

>>74359220
don't make music if your main motivation is fortune and fame

>>74359220
Not giving a fuck what other people like.

>>74359436
True

>>74359220
The biggest redpill is that music is the "art" form that requires the least intelligence, and it's just a social fashion statement. Music is a slave to its time. That's why genres die out, the youngsters only care about what's cool.

>>74364281
what you said is true about literally all "art" / cultural production

>>74360029
4chan is easily one of the most bluepilled boards on the internet.

>>74359220
that your taste is defined by the listening habits of others

>>74364303
factually incorrect

>>74360548
Animal collective has such a diverse discography to the point where if you don't like at least 1 of their songs, you're just a massive fucking pleb

>>74359319
Thanks for reminding me to make my daily redpilled thread

>>74364359
Go listen to some meem hitler march songs fag.

Music is the lowest form of "art"

>>74360000
Nice digits

theres no red pill

>>74359436
The last part I didn't get because I dont care if you have different tastes then I do. I do care if you purposely hurt my ego by like let's say pulling the aux cord before my song ends and then you steal it to play your music without asking. I think moments like that is just disrespectful

>>74364281
Doesn't matter that it's dumb art, it's still so obvious who really cares about music and who uses it for fashion once you get to know someone's taste.

>>74359333
Fucking Germans have been trying to destroy Europe for millenia now, and Naziboos are the most embarrassing embodiment of "western values" ever.

>>74361930

who is upper left and lower right?

There is virtually no difference between "Hot Topic-core" and "MUH TRVE EMO!!"

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>>74359270
Nothing from the third world can compete with even Baroque European Music in terms of being complex and thought provoking.
Most of it is medieval Gregorian chant tier schlop.
Improvisation will never beat counterpoint.

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>>74359436
>projecting this hard
You and anyone who relates to your post are fucking sad

>>74364851
so what you're saying is My Chemical Romance is the best emo band of all time?

>>74364894
I unironically think they are one of the best, so yes.

>>74364909

hello please get out

>>74360548
AnCo is alright, the rest is spot on

>>74364926
>Not thinking Demolition Lovers is one of the best songs of all time

gtfo of here you pleb

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>>74364982

>Liking MCR
>Not having shit taste

pick one

>>74364798
james ferraro and arca

>>74365047
Hating MCR is just a 2006 meme.

'redpill' should be a fucking autoban

>>74365076

you're in denial for liking mediocre rock, i get it, just don't shit on the rest of us for it.

>>74365065

thanks. others outside these 4 that are worth reccomending? Ferraro really the only one I haven't deep dived into yet.

>>74365134
Andy Stott, Actress, Tim Hecker, James Holden, Huerco S, Forst Swords

>>74359765
Music was invented because humans liked the sounds of nature and wanted to create them on demand rather than wait for nature to make its sound.

>>74360548
Redpilling does not mean stating the bleeding obvious. You forgot Death Grips and ITAOTS btw.

Music is a product meant for mass consumption
an obscure band is a failure and you are more pleb for listening to one of those over Drake

>>74359270
true true true

>>74361806
Keep in mind many of the most respected classical musicians today were popular and influential in their own time. Others were just as popular then but are virtually forgotten now. Those that were obscure in their day are still obscure now. Contemporary popularity tell you little or nothing about what the future will bring, but history does imply that future popularity will likely happen to those popular now. Shilling obscure favorites on /mu/ will not change that.

THE FACT THAT

>>74365633
"meant for". by whom? who decided that its meant for mass consumption? theres an industry, of course. theres an industry for everything in capitalism if its profitable. but consumers themselves can still decide what they are looking for in something. and i as a person can decide that i dont care if a band is popular or not but rather look at other values than that. your logic is so fucking flawed. typical drake fan i guess.

>>74359436
outside of the last part (i don't think other people should care about what i care about) this is very true and pretty sad.

but i don't think it has to be. music can be a healthy hobby

>>74365633
This is actually bluepilled as fuck

>>74359436
fuck you asshole

Al Jardine is secretly the best Beach Boy

>>74359220
music is just an organization of notes. and singing is talking but in a veil of sarcastic irony.
>>74359231
this.
"all art is propaganda"

all music is good

>>74359436
you know this applies to you too big guy

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>>74359436
Holy shit are you projecting like a movie theater

>>74359220
It's not a job. Never has been; never will be.
Stop trying to make money off of art. It's never going to happen. It only leads to shitty music being made for popularity.

Also,
>using 'redpill' outside of /pol/
what are you, a farmer?

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>>74359436
haha that's so dumb you're not even close haha

>>74366008
>Not using "redpill" as a catch-all term for knowledge without any political affiliation.

Redpill is the greatest meme word of all time.

>>74359940
Stupid chart. Do you know what Folk means? Popular music for people. That's overlapping with Pop. And btw, art music doesn't exist because ALL MUSIC IS ART. Yes, even the shittiest Brokencyde song. There should be just 2 categories: popular and underground.

>>74365047
>>74365095
that meme stopped being funny 6 years ago, the future is now old man

Alright, every single fucker on /mu/ doesn't seem to get this, so listen carefully

>90% of all music is shit.
>This rule applies to all genres. Experimental rap, avant-rock, shoegaze, dreampop, country, ect, most of it is crap.
>You're only going to know the good music of the genres you listen to, and only going to know the shit music of genres you don't listen to.
>Thus, you most likely don't know shit if you try and claim one genre is better than another.

Of course personal preference will make people prefer some music over others, but if you dismiss an entire genre you're fucking retarded

>>74366549
Is there a reason you are so wrong?

>>74360548
>grimes is shit
wrong. her music's good; her fans are autists.
>animal collective is shit
absolutely wrong again. anco is good. /mu/ is shit.
>NiN is shit
at points, yeah. but they have a few gems here and there.
>Kanye is shit
Kanye's nothing special, but not total shit. He is overrated, though
>Lamar is shit
TPAB had some legitimately good moments.

>>74361930
>lets pretend its 2013 again

>>74361930
oneohtrix point never is just pitchfork skrillex.

I'm not really sure arca even makes music. all I've seen him do is rub blood all over his asshole and sing about being gay in Spanish.

james ferraro and dean blunt are just oneohtrix point never ripoffs

anything else?

>>74359436
Why has no one debunked this? I'm sure it applies to many, but for many including myself, it doesn't at all. I tried picking up electric guitar and yeah, it would be cool to play some riffs when I get the urge, but I stopped because it was boring to me and not worth the effort.

I'm passionate about analyzing the music everyone else is making because music is an art form that speaks to me and makes me feel certain ways, and invokes feelings in my body that not much else can bring out, so it's fun to discuss this and think about it and seek out other music that does this to me, instead of just mindlessly listening to top 40 crap that normies obsess over (some of which is good) as it plays in the background of their normie lives.

>>74366948
whenever i read comments by smug assholes like you i just wish they would slowly re-read the hot garbage they just fingered into their keyboard. because i still have faith you would realize what a fucking moron you are after doing that and change your life.

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>>74359436

>this many replies to this dumb post

I have literally never envisioned myself as some genius mastermind of composition or celebrity superstar. I do make music but I keep it to myself, it's mostly for me and not other people, I have no delusions of making money with it.

I'm into music because I love listening to it, I love the experience of a truly great album or piece, I love the feelings it brings me and how fun it is to learn about the concepts behind it and stuff like that, and how it takes you away from boring reality.

>>74367153
Genre? Instruments?

>>74367186

What, so you can just call me a "pleb"? Why does it matter? I sing, I rap, I play acoustic guitar, and I fuck around with electronic stuff on my computers.

>>74367209
Oh you actually think I'm some guy who posted 12 hours ago?

Just curious about your music.

>>74367224

I have made hip-hop/rap primarily, but also techno, and some "weirder" electronic stuff (glitch/noise I guess?) and I have also even attempted to record some blues songs. I usually only make a song when I get really inspired by something.

Yesterday I was reading about polyrhythm in African traditional music and it inspired me to try and make some polyrhythmic drumbeats, and then I decided to expand on it by adding sine waves, and so on.

>>74367377
Nope, you blew it. I don't care anymore

>I rap
>I fuck around with electronic stuff on my computers.
Pleb

>>74367426

called it

>>74359220
Punk is actually more pretentious than prog.

the ultimate redpill is that SHOEGAZE is the ultimate form of music. nothing has peaked since and nothing will. also the band creed

>>74366549
You're so wrong and deluded it hurts.

See trips of truth
>>74363555

>>74365857
This but unironically. I don't see how any piece of music can be objectively "bad"

>>74359436
>tfw I make music
>tfw I still analyze and critique others music harshly
Checkmate anon

>>74360548
Grimes is great, you're a pleb. Fight me.

>>74363555
What is the purpose of Art music (generally not likeable music)?

>>74359436
can someone sticky this on the homepage?

>>74366874
Listen carefully to your bullshit? Here's the real redpill for idiots like you: music taste is subjective. There's no objectivelly good or bad music, just music that you like and music you dislike.

>>74366896
>>74368121
Not an argument.

>>74368410
I like this quote

"Avant-garde music is sort of research music. You're glad someone's done it but you don't necessarily want to listen to it." - Brian Eno

But generally I'd say it's conceptualizing something and/or experimenting with new/unusual techniques, trying to see the boundaries of our capabilities. I'd say most art music is something like that.

>>74368545
Actually I made a pretty good argument for that Venn diagram while you were flawed. Not an argument is also not an argument.

>>74359436
Nope, I'm a drawfag and music makes for some good inspo.

>>74359436
Is your name cinerama?

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>>74368545

>>74368603
>"Avant-garde music is sort of research music. You're glad someone's done it but you don't necessarily want to listen to it." - Brian Eno
>But generally I'd say it's conceptualizing something and/or experimenting with new/unusual techniques, trying to see the boundaries of our capabilities. I'd say most art music is something like that.
So, it more like wankery? A competition to prove what could be achieved in music even if the results are unlikeable?

>>74368880
>stored in score
Get with the times, grandpa. Today music is stored in computers. More exactly in hard disks and ssds. You can make art music (what a pleonasm) without using scores.

>>74368967
I guess you could argue a lot of purely 100% art music is like that, yes. But tastes change so you never know, maybe an unlistenable noise will become the norm in 200 years.

>>74369032
I don't necessarily completely agree with the image and I do agree you don't need to write scores to make art music. You still need to go out more often though.

>>74359220
Listen to the beatles

/thread

>>74359940
The real red pill is that The Decemberists are actually the greatest band of all time since they combine all of these.

That /mu/ unironically has shit taste in music.

>>74359436

>Human beings having a "purpose" at all

lul

>>74359436

i only use music for working out and playing video games and have a really hard time remembering artist names or song titles

>>74369735
That's not even a redpill. It's a fact anyone knows. Anyone has shit taste except me.

>>74359220
More music exists than you can listen to in your lifetime.
Listen to what you like.
Everything else is up to personal taste.
And be thankful to live in an age where vast quantities of music of every type is readily available to you instantly.

>>74359220
Music is objective and really exists bad and good music.

>>74369865
> got rid of cassette collection years ago

>>74368410
to foster an appreciation for the craft of composition

>>74370038
It depends on how good of a time you had while at the concert.
If it's a good show, and the band is putting in real effort, and the crowd is positive, then a live show is a million times better than watching on T.V or the computer.
However, if the concert kinda sucked, and the band wasn't trying, and the P.A system is crap, and the crowd isn't in it, then you're better off watching it at home.
Plus some bands riff and do stuff on stage that you might not see on a pre-recorded show.

>>74359220
most of it is written by a room of writers while their coverboy/girl takes photos of him/herself for social media

or >>74359231

>>74359839
>redpillers

>>74359220
The (((music industry))) is a jewish conspiracy to force femNAZI and SJW propaganda down the throats of children and brainwash them into race mixing and cuckoldry. Fortunately Donald Trump will deal with the (((music execs))) by building a wall around them and making them pay for it in itunes credits. Literally all music is actually brain reprogramming em waves reemitted by sonically detuned microwave generators secretly embedded in your phones, earbuds, speakers etc. It's been this way since a degenerate jew by the name of Albert Einstein broke the speed of sound in the 1890s, forever corrupting the air waves with the influence of non-aryan microwaves.

Do not listen to (((music))) if you wish to be free of the (((globalist control freaks))) who are poising our local milk people with airborne chemicals and false flag terrorist attacks designed to instil fear into the native european population of america.

Glad I could drop some truth on you because (((/mu/))) isn't usually receprtive to the it. Aight fuck yall I'm out of here.

Bannon/Cruz 2024

>>74368967
no it's the search for new forms of likeable music.
And this is a process of trial and error

>>74359271
>the ultimate redpill

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>>74366948
>oneohtrix point never is just pitchfork skrillex.

>>74359319
idk, i just took this as a reference to the matrix rather than promoting the woman hating bullshit

>>74370164
So, just meaningless admiration? That seems like a waste of time. You're left with nothing.

>>74370038
Despite the fact that most live music on youtube looks and sounds horrible due to being captured on a smartphone by a rank amateur rather than with proper recording equipment by a professional? Also, when you are there you can focus on what you most want to see and hear, rather than rely on the dubious taste of someone who happened to be there (and as often as not, next to some loudmouthed jackass while he was recording).

>>74359436
True and false. I do make music, but mostly just for myself. I know that sound cliche as fuck, but it really is. My friends like it a lot, but I only play it if they ask me to.

As another anon has said, I love it when an album can make me feel emotion or hits me a certain way. It makes music worth listening to. How far can someone push a sound that's been done over and over again into new territory? Can this album evoke emotions that I can't get from another media form? Does this make me want to dance or groove? Emotion in music is very important to me. It's what makes me take a deep interest in it. It makes me feel human, I guess.

>>74370246
Oh god, another retard has escaped from /pol/. The excess parentheses give them away every time.

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>>74359220
Music critics and people who take them seriously are fucking retards.

>>74364853
bach was a masterful improviser

do you have any idea of what you're talking about you dumb /classical/ memer

Music is a fashion accessory, and even if you claim to hate music being used as such, you do it yourself by extent. Note that you can tell what someone likes just by listening to them 99% of the time, and that people's taste in music also happens to correlate with how well the album covers match their aesthetic tastes.

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THIS ONE.

Someone posted this at /b/ 4 months ago and this made me immediatlly visit /mu/ and now I am here

>>74359306
1968 = music stpz

>>74371272
Don't you mean 1949?

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>>74359436
I listen to music so I can have something to listen to while I'm drawing (my main hobby) or driving/walking to places. I don't have much desire to make my own music or analyse absolutely everything.
Having your main hobby revolve around consuming media sounds absolutely plebeian.

>>74359765
True-ish...i know the illiad was in song form because 99% of people couldnt read or write and song is easier to remember to pass down for generations

>>74371332
1919 is the right choice

>>74371632
the advent of french symbolism/impressionism in music is the beginning of the end of music. Modernism was the last nail in the coffin

>>74371222
False analogy.

You can get any music you want at your fingertips. There is definitely more than two "clothing stores" in a "city".

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>>74359436
>>74359462
>>74360487
>>74361974
>>74364872
>>74365740
>>74365893
>>74365971
>>74367023
>>74371479
>all these assblasted musiclets
kek

>>74359436
Music is my only friend that is with me and understands me, please stop.

>>74359220
"Pop music is the classical music of today"

>>74371712
Then it becomes a problem of discovery. If you select some channels, like the radio, and don't venture much further than that, then you're going to still be within that analogy

You have all of the music you want at your fingertips, but how do you know what to even look for?

>>74359436
>But you can't.
[citation needed]

nice projection tho

>>74372582
>Then it becomes a problem of discovery. If you select some channels, like the radio, and don't venture much further than that, then you're going to still be within that analogy
That will be *your* choice, not some invisible ceiling

>but how do you know what to even look for?
How is this relevant?

>>74359220
Male vocalists are cancer

Youth culture killed music.

>>74371222
>what are independent record stores
>what is collage/non-commercial radio
>what are local bands
>what are touring indie bands
>what is word of mouth
>what are zines

Or maybe people like what they like, and mainstream music is made to be, well, likeable.

Your question is too vague.

>>74373937
this is what losers actually believe

>>74374006
t. chaim shekelstein

>>74374111
t. Milos Altrighter

>>74374006
>>74374153
t. nu-male

>>74374006
Is that true, Shlomo?

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>>74359436
DELET THIS

>>74359310
this

MUSIC FUCKING SUCKS BALLS CUNTS

>>74359342
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if you call America the "left".

>>74359270
Thanks Mr. Byrne.

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>>74364470
there are people berried out in the desert for less than this

>>74359436
This pill was tough to swallow desu.

>>74359436
how did you know

>>74359436
yo...

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The vocals can be bad and the music still good, people flock to really good vocalists these days even though the music as a whole isn't as good

>>74359220
views are bought. Nobody blows up out of know where. Thats not a thing.

>>74368038
Name ONE (1) good shoegaze album that isn't Loveless, Souvlaki or Nowhere.

I'll wait.

>>74376383
Heaven Or Las Vegas

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>>74359436

>>74376501
That's dream pop. Try again.

>>74376383
nowhere sucks.

>>74376383
In Ribbons

>>74376604
>good

>>74376600
I don't know, I think Nowhere is ok

>>74371712
>You can get any music you want at your fingertips. There is definitely more than two "clothing stores" in a "city".

Not if tv stations talk about music like if they showed 98%+ of all songs, "pink floyd or beatles invented experimental music", "slipknot is one of the hardest band out there", "manson is 'hardcore' musician", "7.5 minutes songs are long"

Thats why you see people thinking today music is just "rap, emo and slutty pop musicians" or saying "1910 = music started"

My question to you, how the "1910 = music started" will listen to music made before 1910 even with help of internet, how the hell he will someday think "hey maybe music was not invented at 1910, lets see what kind of music they played before 1910."

>>74359231
fpbp

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>>74359220
This is!

>>74359436
DELET

Listening to obscure shit nobody's heard of doesn't make you patrician.

It just makes you someone who listens to obscure shit nobody's heard of.

>>74376963
Truly being patrician is figuring out your own taste to a tee and being able to find albums you love on your own constantly

>>74376985
On the nose.

Doesn't matter how mainstream or obscure it is, but automatically labelling obscure as patrician and mainstream as pleb is a crime.

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>>74359436
JUST FUCKING KILL ME NOW DO IT I FUCKING DARE YOU PLEASE

>>74359220
That taste isn't subjective.

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>>74359436
(You).

>>74370769
He's not wrong about the music industry being Jewish though

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>>74359436
>mfw I make great music that fulfills me and I'm very proud of and have no excuse for shitposting here

>>74359436
Is this all samefagging?
This isn't true at all. At least not to me. Is everyone else on /mu/ wanting to become specialized in music?
I'm just surprised such a normal statement has so many replies.

>>74377064
Contrary to popular belief, what you just said is not, in fact, a crime.

>>74359940
>t. Dwight Macdonald - "A Theory of Mass Culture"

>>74359342
Nice meme lMao

>>74359954
this guy >>74359958 is wrong - Wu-Tang Clan began as folk and arguably may have become pop, provided their process was ever affected by the industry (which I'm sure it was at some point, but I only listen to 36 Chambers). Folk is not only bearded white dudes with acoustic guitars, it's anything grassroots that is representative of a culture and/or serves a rallying point for a culture. Early Wu-Tang is clear-cut folk.

>>74370769
U got Trolled

>>74373626
Things most people don't use

>>74359436
projecting much?

>>74359460 >>74359462 >>74360009 >>74360147 >>74360325 >>74360487 >>74360539 >>74361974 >>74361990 >>74362162 >>74362769 >>74362784 >>74364281 >>74364470 >>74364872 >>74365715 >>74365740 >>74365893 >>74365971 >>74366024 >>74367023 >>74367153 >>74368346 >>74368416 >>74368759 >>74368825 >>74369744 >>74369771 >>74370765 >>74371479 >>74371797 >>74372363 >>74372619 >>74375399 >>74375685 >>74375929 >>74376016 >>74376570 >>74376900 >>74377317 >>74377367 >>74377541 >>74377663
samefag

>>74376383
Beat

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>>74359436
this hits home

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>>74359220
>red pill

>>74360009
Fuck this post

>>74359696
massively underrated post. People don't write songs anymore. There have been very few good songs written in the past few years

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>>74359436

>>74378421
Did you read any of those replies that DIDN'T agree, retard?

>>74362856
>ethnic german
have you ever been to germany? that country is 80% euro trash, and 90% shit music. they're a smarter russian at best.
support a real country like switzerland, at least then your idiotic obsession will make sense.

>>74370625
That's like your opinion, man.

It's research music, it's very important. Some things that sounded experimental and weird in their days were a necessity so we have things today.

>>74359220
Jewish producers have a predatory relationship with negro and child talent.

They absolutely screw the negroes out of everything they're worth, and they literally screw the children.

I'm an up and coming MC and I deliberately asked around for a non-Jewish studio. Got some shit about it but you can't be too careful.

>>74379117
nice b8

>>74359436
delete this

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>>74359220
http://yournewswire.com/justin-bieber-pedophiles/

>Bieber said he was encouraged to sexually abuse a young child who had been bought to the party for the sexual gratification of the industry elite.

“I didn’t want to do this. I really didn’t. They said this kid was drugged, it was horrible,” Bieber said, explaining that it was made clear to him that he would gain entry to the “business side of the industry” if he “joined the club”
>“To join the club I’d have to do bad things to this poor kid. But then I realized that even that wasn’t enough for them. I’d also have to kill this little child.”
>“I got told they secretly film these parties. Once they’ve got you on video doing something like that, they own you.”

>>74378975
t. doesn't know how to samefag

>>74359342
Nice try you libcunt, i bet you are one of (((them)))

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>>74379527

>that entire website

>>74359436
overrated post