Literally Stockhausen of our generation.

>>74342608
Except his music was academic, grounbreaking and actually experimental.

>>74342608
*the pop version

>>74342608
autechre is pop crap compared to stockhausen

no autechre aren't pretentious and they don't make shit music

>>74342625
Autechre literally invented a genre.

>>74342625
>>74342636
>>74342637
these

>>74342641
but also this

rec me some Stockhausen, literally never heard anything by him
I like the lads obv., even seen em live which was amazing

>>74342608
Jesus fucking christ the state of this board...

Well, they were not as experimental as Stockhausen, but compared to other electronic artists of their era? Sure.

>>74342646
Who cares? Inventing a genre is not a big deal. And no, they didn't, unless that genre is called Autechre.

>>74342666
>Who cares? Inventing a genre is not a big deal.
Lmao. What?

>>74342658
kontakte and hymnen

gesang der junglinge is memed a lot but it's not that interesting

>>74342646
lls I'll bite, what genre?

>>74342678
Well, first of all, almost never has a genre been invented by a single artist, and second, making a genre can be so niche it's not relevant at all.

>>74342681
From what I remember Gesang was more interesting than the other two. The electronic voice stuff of whatever it was seemed like a far bigger leap to me.

>>74342681
thanks anon
>>74342678
not everything that's unique is good
ae is good and pretty unique tho
>inb4 Pan-sonic
>inb4 Arca

>>74342721
IDM and Glitch Hop.

>>74342728
it was a bigger leap but as an actual composition it's not as interesting in this day and age imho

>>74342732
dis is bait

>>74342732
bait

>>74342730
>not everything that's unique is good
But that's wrong. Even then, making a genre doesn't make you unique (or not necessarily particularly so).

>>74342732
Fuck off.

>>74342739
Fair enough I guess. I couldn't enjoy any of the stuff by him. Then again, I haven't listened to him since one or two years ago.

meme thread

>>74342762
>>74342771
>>74342781
I didn't do anything. Sorry.

>yeah i listen to electronic music
>Autechre, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, Daft Punk, Squarepusher, Jon Hopkins, Burial, the list could go on...

>yeah i listen to classical music
>mozart, bach, STOCKHAUSEN, CAGE, erik satie, beethoven, the list could go on...

And yet these people have a hard time understanding why no-one take them seriously

>>74342876
I don't see the problem, these are all good artists (well except for Cage and Daft Punk). You don't need to have niche tastes to enjoy music.

>>74342876
who the fuck are you talking to

>>74342908
You don't see the problem because your knowledge about both genres is about as generic and void as can be.

>>74342608
having listened to both, i'd easily call autechre as the better one.

>>74342608
>of our generation

autechre is a 90s duo, listerally two generations ago.

>>74342608
ae easily better

>>74342908
The problem is not that those are not good artists, the problem is that /mu/ only appears to be aware of those artists for both genres. In other words, your taste doesn't go beyond surface level.

>>74342973
pretty sure 20 years is one generation
maybe not in your family, idk

>>74343031
Can you explain to us what makes a piece of music good and then elaborate on why those artist >>74342876
are bad?

>>74342876
This is why ''elitism'' and ''patrician'' failed here because people latch onto a half dozen artists in every genre because of these labels and no one explores further.

>>74343089
Can you not fucking read what he said you retarded cunting imbecile.

>>74343089
What's the point of arguing with you people...

>>74343132
>>74343140
Get a life....

>>74343089
Why is /mu/'s reading comprehension so bad?

>>74343105
I would argue it's because people don't care about being patrician and elitism that they only listen to such a narrow spectrum of music.

>>74343181
Get rekt lol

>>74343089
can you read?

>>74342930
>>74343031
Sure, but that's not a problem per se.
I know more obscure electronic artists but like you say there's not much point in discussing them here if noone knows them. Same thing goes with a lot of genres.

>>74343031
>your taste doesn't go beyond surface level.

explain why this is wrong, idiot.

>>74343452
>I know more obscure electronic artists but like you say there's not much point in discussing them here if noone knows them.
not even that majority of /mu/ would refuse to even bother checking them out.
i literally have to insult these entry lvl artist to bait ppl into checking out other things.

>>74343461
if you're a casual listener nothing. but if you consider music a serious hobby everything.

>>74342646
>>74342730
>not everything that's unique is good
>ae is good and pretty unique tho
>inb4 Pan-sonic
>inb4 Arca
You seem to overlook or ignore the intentions of musicians. If Stockhausen did what artists like Autechre did, he would've started with schlagers and moved on to progressive pop.

>>74343461
>explain why this is wrong, idiot.

Not him, but the reason this is bad it's because it stalls discussion, people to keep talking about the same artists over and over again ad nauseam.

>>74343452
>>74343468
Could try making a roll chart and some people try like >>74337752 but I still think >>74343105 is true, people are more concerned that something is ''patrician'' than trying new things. You might listen to something and be called ''reddlt'' or a ''nu-male'' or a ''normie'' ZOMG

>>74342658
Kontakte. It has a 700 page long score to begin with. Sirius too.
http://stockhausenspace.blogspot.rs/2015/11/kontakte-planning-design.html?m=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakte
Read these first. If this doesn't intrigue you, nothing will.

I remember there was a Stockhausen documentary, but can't look it up now. Maybe you could try searching for it
>>74342658

(You)74343632
You literally don't know music thoery.
Fuck off and stop pretending to be smart.

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Wow, why is /mu/ so aggressively pleb? I guess it's true that the stupidest people are always the loudest.

>>74343652
Irrelevant

>>74343461
If you are egoistic and don't value music discovery? Nothing.
If you care about music discovery and an elevated board quality? Everything.

>thinks arguing about music without knowing what he's talking about is irrelevant

>>74342681
Another anon here, currently listening to Kontakte and it's fantastic. Thanks for the recc.

>>74343904
Fuck off.

>>74342625
>>74342637
Xenakis and Parmegiani are way better than Stockhausen, especially on the creative/artistic side. They're also the actual influences Autechre have took mostly.

The negative aspect of Stockhausen is indeed the fact that he was too academic, he was so influenced by the Darmstadt serialism thought that at some point of he totally thrown out the possibility to make his music actually musical. Stockhausen music is exhaustive and mostly lack of that "musikalisch", which he sacrified for the sake of pure mathematical intellect. Experimental and groundbreaking for sure, but exhaustive and aesthetically incomprehensible at some point. Also that's why he still considered a freak for a part of the music criticism of today.

Autechre have in some way took these elements and criteria and reorganized in a more equilibrated and melodical way, with a research for structure, form and and that significant musikalisch which is always present in their music.

>>74342608
>comparing classical to popular music

>>74343904
Sorry I like you didn't mean to tell you to fuck off?

poor man's pan sonic

>>74344066
in this instance, popular music is better.

>>74344178
>in this instance, popular music is better.
are you qualified enough to pass on judgement on stockhausen? be sincere

>>74344204
as a person who knows joy and pleasure in music, yes

I wouldn't call Stockhausen anything special. Autechre are out of this world though.

>>74344223
lol

>>74344233
why are you laughing?

>>74344226
>>74344204

>>74344248
you don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

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lol
yeah, stick to your autechre

>>74344223
>as a person who knows joy and pleasure in music, yes
Do you honestly believe that's enough? Why do musicologists and academics exist if just about anyone with an opinion is just as qualified?

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Great thread, lads.

Let's talk about which is Autechre's worst release.
In my opinion it is Quaristice.

>>74344404
the goal of art shouldn't be to impress musicologists and academics.

>>74344411
I don't think I have the authority to call any of their genius work bad, so I'll just say I didn't really like Cavity Job.

>>74344430
Not what I meant or was implying, but you're being deliberately dense and avoiding answering anything tangible.

>>74344411
They're all equally bad

>>74344468
I just feel that these tangible, technical things are only validated up to the point that they deliver a clear, lucid emotional message.

>>74342608
>Literally Stockhausen of our generation.
>a bunch of post-african repetitions and babby's first modulations

>>74344461
I didn't say it was bad, I said it was the weakest of all their work. I personally don't like it because it seems very scattered and doesn't have a consistent mood or theme as their other releases do. Also, a lot of the tracks are repetitive and don't really push the envelope in terms of sound design in the way their other albums do.

>>74342728
>Gesang more interesting than Kontakte
Getting real sick of your Scaruffi droning, Autist Math.
>>74343942
Xenakis and Parmegiani's works are very primitive compared to Stockhausen's most ambitious stuff. Just because some music can initially feel exhausting doesn't make them devoid of feeling. Metal's a more common genre that feels that way in its more extreme forms, too. Just because something's different doesn't mean it's bad. For example if one pays attention there's a musical build happening in Kontakte for the first almost third of it I think.

>>74344635
>Scaruffi droning
lol, I had no idea that was his favorite Stockhausen

>>74344635
>Autist Math
fucking give it up baldfire

>>74344404
Imagine being so insecure about your own opinion

>>74344204
you don't need any qualification to pass judgement on anything. you do that almost automatically in fact. in most cases a scientific approach isn't the only valid one. there's a guy with a different idea about the value of music and that offends you

>>74342728
>almost never has a genre been invented by a single artist
Motörhead

>>74344635
i wouldn't call xenakis primitive

>>74344919
>>74345049
>I'm very proud of my uninformed perspectives

>>74344558
I really want to hear your take on Max and SuperCollider programming, you're so cool woah.

>people who can't even make a Max patch or write an algorithm think are more intelligent and creative than Autechre

You're really outpassing yourself /mu/.

>people who don't know the first thing about music theory or music history think they are able to gauge the worth of a Stockhausen piece

You're really outpassing yourself /mu/.

You cannot enjoy them, but If not Autechre, who is the most relevant, prolific and visionary electronic act of today? I truly make hard time thinking of one.

>>74345276
daniel "chuck" lopatin

whos stockhausen?

>>74345272
sensible people judge art according to their own values rather than those of obsessive academia. claiming otherwise would be to say that average people don't have any aesthetic sense of what is good or bad, which is wrong.

>>74345363
>I'm very proud of my uninformed perspectives

>>74345363
>obsessive academia
Wouldn't you happen to believe that climate change and "cultural marxism" are part of an academia conspiracy as well?

>>74345406
I know nothing of light or colour composition but I can still aesthetically judge a painting and believe it is valid.
>>74345440
who said anything about a conspiracy?

>>74345276
idk, William Fields? I remember he made combined improvisation with computer algorithms generating music or something like that. He hasn't made anything worthwhile other than that though.
I guess the PC Music guys are kind of cool, particularly A. G. Cook.
Like >>74345292 said, it's probably Lopatin.

Their only good album is incunabula

>>74344635
>Xenakis and Parmegiani's works are very primitive compared to Stockhausen's most ambitious stuff
How so?

>>74342608
aphex was better, but sure

>>74345234
you can say that about any artist period?
i can't write a pop tune like max martin. nobody on this earth can.
not even autechre

>>74345406
>>74345176
>i have autism and a superiority complex
at least avant is tongue in cheek about it

>>74345914
could you stop being insecure on the internet. just because criticism lands your way doesn't mean you to accuse said party of superiority.

>>74345937
said the guy who tried to deflect criticism with a snarky copypaste strawman greentext

>>74345937
>when people accuse me of superiority complex, that means they think I'm better than them!

>>74345914
>Some people are musicians or want to otherwise engage with music on a deeper level
>"A-a-autist"
It's as if this personally and practically hurts you in any way. And it certainly wouldn't hurt if more people did that. Not to mention that no one was exactly insulting you.

>>74345983
>>74346023
not that guy fyi :)

It's nice to see stockhausenfags getting pissed on itt, keep it up mates.

>>74346044
>It's as if this personally and practically hurts you in any way.
no u tho

>>74346092
>There's nothing better than arguing about petty irrelevant bullshit and deraling cancerous threads which garnered some productive discussion despite that

>>74346174
why are you misusing the quoting feature?

>>74346222
Yeah, don't bother answering, be deliberately dense.

>>74346348
Different anon here, but really, why are you misusing it?