/classical/

petzold

ANOTHER

FUCKING

HINDEMITH

SONATA

Albert Ayler > Bach > Morton Feldman >>>>>> Aphex Twin

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>>74333023
>>74333037
>>74333095
>>74333105

what's the best violin concerto and why the FUCK is it definitely not brahms

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>tfw everyone at the classical music club at school makes fun of you because you like Max Rixhter

>>74334191
Spring 1 is pretty alright

Isn't Classical a dead genre? What's there to talk about anymore?

>>74334618
no one has made a composer dating sim yet

>>74334618
there's literally hundreds of years of music to talk about

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>>74334618
Shoo, shoo, normie.

>>74334618
What's there to talk about when it comes to your shitty music?

>Wow I like how this artist rehashes the same four chords over and over again
>I like this artist's "innovations" that classical musicians had already came up with 100 years ago

gimme some beautiful pieces with lots of polychords/polytonality
I like debussy's voiles

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>>74332399
I bought this a few years ago.. listening to it now...

Anyone else enjoy hearing old recordings?

https://www.pristineclassical.com/collections/composer-debussy/products/pacm031

very comfy way to find a buffer from the current year and its mindless shitheaded barrage of garbage.

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>>74336973
Holy God in heaven how did that happen... I meant to post this..I bought this.. I want the other ..

https://www.pristineclassical.com/collections/composer-chausson/products/pasc049

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>>74332399
Do you have something similar but with sheet music instead of recordings?

Pic related, highly sexual Rachmaninoff stare

Post your favorite classical pieces about ethnic genocide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksBQ09HvOkk

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leld at this blog
http://vellichor.org/archives/966
>muh master
>muh prophet

>>74334171
it's brahms

>>74337050
IMSLP

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>>74337884
lmao where did you even find this shit

>>74337919
backtraced rare celis

which is more beautiful? a well-timed minor 7th chord or a major chord with a flat 7 in the bass?

>>74336973
Nah, old recordings annoy me with their shittiness

>>74338293
Yes

Asking again, what's your favourite setting of Gloria, lads

>>74338666
fuck off, satan

>>74334618
Its not dead:

>Well known new works in 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_classical_music#New_works

>Well known new works in 2017 so far:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_in_classical_music#New_works

>>74338666
young Gloria Swanson

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sabata with those bedroom eyes

Post your best choir music cunts

post your best choir music with spoken word cunts

Post your music with best spoken cunt choirs

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What's the best debussy album to start with?

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>>74339606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGbtqUGVnY

>>74339624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mukrVsKqTs
>>74339895
Something like pic related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyK922PsUw

>>74339895
Pelleas

normie here. whats the obsession with virtuosity amongst classical fans? is classic music so lifeless that technical ability becomes the only thing worth talking about?

>>74340952
Petzold

>>74340952
*cums on your face*

>>74340952
>obsession with virtuosity
nobody does that except normies.
somebody called us nu-male in previous thread. thats another normie-projection.

>>74341019
>sounds legit but wait, lemme check the posts in this thread
>low and behold
>>74334757

>>74341035
What does that post have to do with virtuosity?

>>74341035
probably some mahler or schönbergfag, not gonna defend him

>>74341035
I'm right, though. Everything that isn't classical is boring derivative bullshit. Not to say that there isn't a lot of classical that ISN'T boring derivative bullshit.

>>74334171
it's either Mendelssohn or one of Mozart's

>>74340952
Virtuosity in classical music hasn't been cool since the 19th century.

We're all about authenticity and emotion these days
There are many schools of thought on performance. Some composers still write with virtuosity in mind. Ferneyhough for example.

What is the worse piece of classical music?
>inb4 Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique
Bad meme

>>74341376
Chopin's Fugue
Ravel's Bolero
Mozart's ass licking song
That really shitty amateur piano concerto with MIDI playback that gets posted

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>>74341376
Basically anything by Beethoven.

>DUN DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN XD

>>74338617

What's with this reddit-tier joke?

>>74341456
Hey, don't mock Reddit. I *fuarking* love Reddit.

>>74341376
Stockhausen's Stimmerung

>>74341791
Good job he never wrote a piece with that name.

>>74341797
I meant Stimmung. I don't speak kraut.

>>74341274
see. this is why the classical fan base is the most universally disliked fan base of any music genre.

>>74342180
It's better to be right than liked.

>>74341456
>>74341772
>muh reddit

When will you faggots admit that Reddit is actually a pretty good website? I hope you realize that at least 80% of 4channers are also Redditors nowadays. It would do you some good to go outside and interact with normies, anyway.

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>>74342225
Besides the reddit thing I really can't argue against this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hQzG-CATQM

>>74342360
I'm triggered, baroque instruments are autistic as fuck

>>74342360
What is actually the point of this? Like a fortepiano, fine, but a fucking clavichord? This isn't HIP it's just autism.

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Name his best work

>>74342180
Being a cultural elitist is a cornerstone of those who know what they're talking about.

>>74343333
Das lied von der erde symphonie

I like pop music AND classical music ,':)

>>74343808
Nobody cares

>>74343961
,':(

>Varnay debuted Sieglinde and Brunnhilde when she was 23
what the fuck man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjE1yst49rU

>>74343333
rueckert lieder.

best works by zelenka and preferred recordings please?

>>74341376
>symphonie fantastique
Wait people hate this one? Is it because of the third movement?

hey I'm new looking to get into some classical music where is a good place to begin

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>>74345417

What happened to all the animefags?

>>74334191
you deserve it lol

>>74345368
>Wait people hate this one? Is it because of the third movement?
Yes, some people here hate it, not only the symphony, they hate berlioz. Why? I don't know very well

>>74345417
Charles Ives Universe symphony

>>74342180
Classical music elitists are doing what /mu/ tries to do and fails, and that is actually be elitist.

>>74343333
Kindertotenlieder, obviously

>>74345649
But that's a meme to poke fun of the existence of elitist. You realize that?

>>74343333
Symphony No. 8

>>74346034
Even meme elitism is still more elitist than /mu/, enough to trigger fags like >>74342180

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Doktor Klemperer, i'm PAUL

>>74346274
Point taken.

>>74341274
theres more than just top 40 out there

>>74343333
Piano Quartet

>>74343333
I'm still going with 9

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OH SHIT PHILIP, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING.

Anyone know where I can download Phillip Glass sheets? Guy isn't dead yet.

>>74347837
just play the same chords over and over again

>>74348119
that's not funny kiddo

>>74348119
Only srs answers please

Tristan

what are some great obscure pieces from famous composers?

>>74349378
I rarely see Debussy's Sonata for Flute, Viola, and Harp talked about.

>>74349378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

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>>74345417

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq-ABe0wjpQ

did beethoven steal from mozart?

what's the best bass clarinet feature that isn't written by gershwin?

I discovered Tartini's Devil's Trill Sonata, its fucking excellent, is there anything out there like it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs

>>74350354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLeoq8P3AAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jWmdzOxD9s

>>74350354
you might like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxw3FYPuIzc

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>>74350540
>>74350653

you da real mvps

>>74350354
try Biber's Rosary sonatas

Do you guys really hate serialism? ;_;

>>74350956
no

>>74350956
i just don't "get" it

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q4ZyYgbZhI

the 4 B's
>Bach
>Beethoven
>Brahms
>bump

>>74350956
Nah.

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>>74350902

That was fucking beautiful, thanks anon.

>tfw to dumb for shostakovich

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>>74354472
>tfw too dum for Rachmaninov
>tfw too dumb for Hans Zimmer
>tfw too dumb for Max Richter

>>74350354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e5bgRqdmxI

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>>74355295

>tfw man enough for basil poledouris

>>74350956
Don't really care too much for it outside of early adopters

Best piano concertos?

No fucking mozart

>>74356395
mozart

>>74356395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSi1H-f6uHE

>>74345174
good performance

>tfw not on redacted

>>74355295
Is rach really down there with Hans simmer and max richter?

>>74356540
ludovico einaudi tier

>>74356577
Lol no.
His symphonies probably but his piano works are very good

>>74334171
This is objectively correct:
1. Tchaikovsky
2. Brahms
3. Sibelius
4. Mendelssohn E minor
5. Barber
6. All the mozarts
7. Other lesser known ones, Shostakovitch, Korngold, etc

>>74339895
>album

>>74341349
>>74340952
Since we stopped emphasizing virtuosity, the quality of technique in professional musicians has significantly dropped. Now they substitute hours of intonation practice with exaggerated tempo changes and cringey facial dynamics. A decent musician should be capable of executing the virtuosic pieces as well as musical interpretation

>>74356738
*cringey facial expressions, my bad

>>74356738
>the quality of technique in professional musicians has significantly dropped
Strongly disagree. There hasn't been a shift away from virtuosity, its just not seen as cool by the public the way it was in the 19th century. Performers still play virtuosic music and/or spend hours perfecting every facet of their art. Depends on which performer you look at.

If you look at Yuja Wang, you're going to get a lack of practice and a focus on facial expressions and "virtuoso" banging and shredding .
If you look at Schiff you're going to get a focus on Technique and interpretation.

>>74356953
ok I don't know who those people are, but I don't think the shift was away from virtuosity as much as it was away from Classical in general. Instead of violinists like Heifetz and Menuhin we now have Joshua bell and Vengerov (who is actually really good but is tasteless)

>>74356994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gGLYCeH2Q

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Post your zodiac sign and your favorite composer, plus an underrated composer

Sign: Taurus
Favorite: Mendelssohn
Underrated: Finzi

>>74357029
bad intonation right out the gate. Case in point

>>74356953
poly?

>>74356994
actually, i find most violinists pretty unmemorable these days. more to do with interpretation than virtuosity.

>>74357328
Yeah, that's what I mean. Technique and interpretation are both important, but nowadays too many shitty players cover up for their lack of skill by having radical interpretations.
For example, Joshua Bell likes to play things serenely and very still-ish, not because of a creative decision but because his vibrato sucks and his tone is thin. He got a career by shaking his hair a lot when he plays though

>>74357513
I dunno about that, Joshua Bell is just straight up boring. His interpretations aren't even radical at all.

>>74357541
Maybe not radical, but very tranquil and lacking intensity.

>>74357089
>in

>>74356994
>I don't know who those people are
are you some kind of violin-only anon?

>>74357588
>in
what do you mean?
>are you some kind of violin-only anon?
Not really, I just really don't like the piano in classical music. I like everything else

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Cool

>>74334171
Bruch Violin Concerto 1 is up there for me especially the third movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmjwwC90sNc

Bellini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBV_nSFIak

>>74357047
Sagittarius
Bellini
Lambert

>>74357877
and still one of the best collections of mazurkas.

Has anyone ever listened to the full works of a composer? Which one? What was their best and worst composition?

>>74357047
gemini
favorite: mozart
underrated: mozart

>>74356395
>Best piano concertos?

prokofiev 3
ravel left hand
bartok 2
beethoven 4
brahms 2

underrated:

mendelssohn 1
vaughan williams

>>74356395
my favorites are Prokofiev 2 and Beethoven 4
>>74359580
Mendelssohn's is underrated I agree

interesting:
"Before Liszt, it was considered almost in bad taste to play from memory, Chopin once chided a student: It looked almost arrogant, as if you were pretending that the piece you were playing was by you. Liszt saw that playing the piano, especially for a whole evening in front of an audience, it was a theatrical event that needed not just musical things happening but physical things on the stage."

>>74359821
liszt is responsible for lang lang

>>74359112
Ravel

>best
Very difficult to say. He has masterpieces in several genres, and there are cases to be made for focusing on just the orchestral works, or just the chamber music, or just the solo piano suites. Right now I'm feeling in a Violin Sonata No. 2 mood, so I'll go with that.

>worst
It's popular to say Bolero because it's so overplayed, but I think that's a(n over)reaction to overfamiliarity more than anything. The worst is probably one of the Prix de Rome cantatas, they're very stuffy and un-Ravellian.

>>74359112
Mozart

Mozart: The New Complete Edition

the Last sonata

Turkish March

>>74359821
>>74359853
wtf i love chopin now

>>74347837
y just find some piano transcriptions of top 40 songs

¿Some spanish classical pieces?

>>74360701
goyescas is genuinely great.

>>74343333
his 2nd remains unparalleled

>>74360806
it has its moments.

>>74341376
Hammerklavier
Grosse fuge
the list goes on

>>74358478
yeah, it's just nice to have em all in one place. iirc the Pearl set was lacking a few

remastering doesn't sound bad either for Sony (the bottom ends sounds a bit muffed, though)

>>74360717
The piano suite or the opera?

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>>74341412
>>74360928
My anus is burning

why is everyone

suddenly writing like this

>>74361132
Can you take off your name, champ?

>>74361493
Shit, i dind't notice it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7iZ8Gb6BYo

>>74332399
thank you for this

>>74359891
well bolero is overplayed cause it's rad

hey how do I learn to understand what's happening in music?
II've been playing for a long time but my ear sucks

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Why are the best composers B's?

>>74361093
piano. both the decca and rca recordings by larrocha are definitive.

is john cage a hack? yay or nay.

>>74363278
>Brahms
>best composer
Lol, he only followed the path that Beethoven opened. Music after Beethoven's death needed a new style and new artists: like Berlioz, Liszt, Franck and Wagner. Classical music needed a new reborn, not composers like Schubert, Schuman and Brahms, which only repeated what Beethoven said.

Bach and Beethoven changed the music forever, but what did brahms to trascend the music?
>inb4 brahm hater
No

>>74363454
Thanks, do you have more recomendations? I prefer more the orchestral music.

>>74363651
Cage was neither talentless nor hack
then again, Stockhausen was both

>>74363659
>Classical music needed a new reborn, not composers like Schubert, Schuman and Brahms

i sure need them.

>>74363659
>Lol, he only followed the path that Beethoven opened

So he did what everyone else did.

>>74360701
I assume you are thinking of music with a spanish vibe and not music by spanish composers?

If so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNdlWXlTAK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH3rxo56m1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rqwvMMxeA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHwoWq4dKoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WzfN7o22GM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxqlqrJcMf4&spfreload=10

>>74363752
I'm pretty sure Mussorgsky & co. had strong anti-German sentiments in music, which helped to shape French impressionism later in its opposition to the grand Wagnerian style. Debussy said that he was saved by Mussorgsky's music when he was in despair, because the post-wagnerian Germanic paradigm didn't offer him any solutions.

>>74363815
I was talking about spanish composers, but thanks
>also
Excelent choice the spagnole capricce

>>74363819
>Russian romanticism
>French impressionism
>Wagner

I can't think of worse things.

>>74363819
Debussy was heavily influenced by Wagner, though.

>>74363855
Really dude? Really?

>>74363874
I'm picky. Those things mostly repulse me bar the occasional Ravel.

>>74363855
>not liking wagner

still the ultimate pleb filter.

>>74356395
Mozart
Prokofiev 2
Liszt 1 and Totentanz
Bartok 1+2
Brahms 1
Busoni
Chisholm 1+2
Dussek op. 29+49
Hummel 2+3
Macmillan The Beserking
Saint-Saens 5
Schoenberg

>>74363855
Mussorgsky was rather a proto-impressionist (sometimes even proto-expressionist), and utilised unique non-romantic devices. His Godunov shocked romanticism's champions in both Russia and Germany.

>>74360701
lots of good stuff in the Renaissance but not really any world-leaders after that.

>>74363855
Sir, you have a serious problem

>>74363855
That are about the best things that happened from 1850-1950

>>74363819
Boris Godunov, The Golden Cockerel or Borodin's chamber works, which all had major influence on Debussy didn't have necessarily anti-german sentiments, in-fact The Golden Cockerel was heavily influenced by Wagner and so was Debussy. But there is some truth in the fact that the two big milestones for modern music have been Wagner's works (Tristan, Parsifal) and the russians (Boris Godunov and late Rimsky-Korsakov style in general, especially The Golden Cockerel).

>>74363906
He was also a of proto-realist as you can see in Boris Godunov's or Khovanchina's choir of the people

>>74363815
That Boccherini is some nice shit dude

>>74363659
>Bach changed the music forever
'no'

>>74365103
u mad?

>>74362596
To most people yeah, but I meant in the context of contrarian /mu/ shitposting.

>>74363819
Negative influence is still influence. To resist something is to be influenced by it.

The 4 B's
>Buxtehude
>Boccherini
>Berlioz
>bump

>>74365401
"no"

Shostakovich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFPVMjNn8DI

Can someone show me something heavy slow and beautiful, its rare to see everywhere not just classicals

>>74367040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rd-Ubpugd4

>>74367040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO5sB56rfzA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMGwPDP-Yk

>>74367137
>>74367091
Thanks but I want something dark and still, if possible. In the vain of dark ambient but not some generic dark scores

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I can't stop listening to these two mashups of well known classical music pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OYkWSW7u4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fczH85-0BDk

I love them. I want you to love them, too.

>>74367341
giacinto scelsi

>>74360928
>Hammerklavier
Shit taste.

>>74366741
The 4 B's
>ScheonBerg
>WeBern
>Berg
>bump

>>74367400
minor kek at the cage melody

>>74367494
Thanks, now this is what I'm talking about, if you know others too and especially with less violines or none at all would be perfect

>>74367400
hey classic FM how are you today

>>74367507
sorry, I don't like the fat cheesy Germanic harmony dick

>>74367656
Here's some Karel Husa. All winds no violins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTtAnbKFe_E

>>74360928
Fuck you.

>>74341376
>What is the worse piece of classical music?
>>74360928
>Grosse fuge

100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fwz0wr1GH8