/meta/

Stop posting the same fucking music every day

Because it's a board about everything and at the same time nothing. It's the same thing when people say "I like music". Oh? You do? How interesting! I like music too!

How to fix? Have more specialized threads. By genres, by themes, by fields.

>>74322391
Because music is shit. Because there's nothing fucking happening in music right now. Look at the top 100 lists on pitchfork for the 80s and 90s and then compare it to the 2000s. The 2010s are only getting worse. I don't care if this sounds like le wrong generation meme, it's 100% true. We can't keep talking about the same good albums over and over. We need something new, but it's not coming.

>>74322444
Maybe stop getting your music from just p4k lmao

I'm mostly concerned with the spoonfeeding problem. How do we get people to explore on their own? We've given them enough resources (flowcharts, generals, RYM).

The average /mu/-tant likes music, but prefers shitposting about music.

>>74322498
They won't because /mu/ is all about fashion (aka what fantano likes) or ''being a patrician''.

>Make obvious politics bait an immediate ban
Political albums can be discussed, but nothing past the album

>Stop giving hip hop the time of day
It allows too many normies/underaged to ruin the board

>Waifu threads result in a ban
If there are more pictures of the musician rather than discussion of the music, it counts as a Waifu thread

>>74322548
So no more images of musicians on the music board?

>>74322548
2/3, anon
Replace hip hop with trap and then you're golden

>>74322557
Don't play dumb, you know people just spam random ass images of their little waifus and don't actually talk about the music other than "x is so good"

>>74322499
/mu/ is listed as a creative board.

one interesting thing about mu is that it highlights the fact that music discussion is essentially pointless

once you remove any reputational benefits your knowledge might have, it just becomes a dick measuring contest

>>74322597
What even is ''music discussion''?

because it is summer, give it a month and a half and it'll be back to normal

>>74322642
''summer'' has been meaningless for years.

>>74322627
irl? it's things like 'hey anon i thought you might like this album'
but on here it's
>REEEE european tradition, cultural superiority, this music is best because REASONS

>>74322498
>We've given them enough resources (flowcharts, generals, RYM).

Contribute those charts to the Wiki listed in the sticky and have it much like /fit/'s sticky. Generals about music rather than making music can contribute to the spoonfeeding problem at times (maybe the exception of /bleep/ which probably came from /a/ crossposters) or they only exist just to talk about other people's taste on RYM or as a "comfy" resident shitposting thread (like /bleep/ at times).

>>74322642
>>74322654
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

>>74322391
Ban hip hop

>>74322427
Yuuup
>>74322444
Stop listening to Mucore kid
>>74322498
We ignore them. Just dont respond
>>74322499
We need active moderation to deal with the memes
>>74322642
While true, the board was going down hill long before summer

>>74322669
spoonfeeding isn't discussion

>>74322697
>(like /bleep/ at times).
Oh and daily

ONE rock general
ONE punk general
ONE metal general
ONE alt-rock general

No pop/rock outside of them.

>>74322757
Also pop generals. One for waifu fags. One for other pop like Radiohead or Beach Boys

>>74322732
i get that, but back in the day spoonfeeding was all we had, and when you actually know the person you're talking to, it makes a lot of sense

on here, not so much sense, because media is still the main way most people experience text interaction (we even still call things like twitter 'social media') it's effectively like you are all training to be music journalists

>>74322777
>beach boys
rock

>radiohead
alt-rock

There is so fucking much music out there thats not rock, so sick of it taking up over half the board

>Stop making threads about what score Fantano, Scaruffi, P4K, etc give an album
>Stop making multiple threads about the same album
>Bring back /wpop/ to contain the waifufags
>Bring back the Sunday listenalong
Most importantly:
>>74322427

>>74322802
Radiohead is pop as fuck lmao. But exactly all people do is circlejerk over the same shit. We make fun of reddit for being a circlejerk but we arent much better

>>74322757
>>74322802
>>74322813
If you are mad about rock music than go somewhere else bleep cuck

>>74322757
What is the difference between alt-rock, rock, and punk then?

>>74322845
Ive never browsed bleep in my life buddy
>>74322848
Nothing, rockists dont understand this

>>74322757
Generals are a bad thing, dumbshit

If anything we need less of them so we can talk more openly about things like electronic and metal, by not having it in a forum format

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I don't know

>>74322951
this

>>74322391
Ban any and all discussions of hip-hop, gets rid of 90% of the underaged.

We can start by not pretending these threads are gonna do anything. Hiro just implemented them so it seems as though he cares about the original users, which he doesn't, the more newcomers we get the more money Hiro gets.

>>74322975
Then do not contribute to the thread fuck minge

Music is a shitshow. It is the lowest art form and its culture and discussion is meaningless garbage. It will always be this way. Stop trying to ignore it. Goodbye.

>>74323008
>lowest art form
Still better than TV

>>74323033
objectively untrue. just because most of the content produced for television is shit is not indicative of its standing as an art form.

>>74322951
The whole reason /bleep/ was started back in 2011 (and the B&B last.fm group) was because before that, the only ''electronic music'' posted here was Aphex, Autechre, Daft Punk and Justice so turny et al started the general so people versed in bleeps could chat more about them with people who knew more than 4 artists.

>>74322951
except if its not /mu/core or FotM it will get no replies

We need to start Shaming and Saging anyone who post shitty threads or circlejerks the same topics

>>74323054
TV is for children

/mu/ is doomed, but we can save /metal/ by:

Kill all glam pussies and non-USPM shitters bar exceptions like Blind Guardian. Glam's not even metal.

>>74323330
/metal/ is complete shitshow
Bunch of LARPing retards shitposting and calling each other nu-males, it's pathetic

>>74323330
Fuck off metalfag

>>74323420
Spotted the nu-male

>>74323453
and you wonder why no one likes you here

>>74323453
Aw yes the metalfag in his wild habitat

/mu/ is shit because the board only talks about the same one hundred artists all the time

To fix this we have to encourage users to explore more obscure music

How can we achieve this? By promoting healthy elitism, tools to show people how obscure their tastes are (Obscurity Score), recommended listening charts of less popular artists (Patriciancore charts, the 2014 edition is particularly good for this purpose), and general threads for less popular genres (literally anything that's not rock, hip hop and idm/ambient/album oriented post electro electronic).

>>74322444
You are the problem.

>>74322498
We need better resources.

>>74323488
Agreed. Also ban meme threads

>>74322951
talk more openly about the same handful of artists from each of those genres, you mean?

>>74323488
>better resources
Discogs
RYM
Soundlcoud
Bandcamp

Every artist with noting is on one or more of those.

>>74323480
>>74323473
>>74323420
t. nu-males

>>74322951
I was listening to Deep Dish earlier and thought about starting a thread about early prog house but decided not to bother because I knew what would happen;

a) ''electronic is shit''
b) ''prog-house is gay shit'' (I only know Deadmau5)
c) >>>gb2bleep
d) no replies

>>74323488
This is inefficient because it'll change discussion instead to a different set of artists that'll ultimately be discussed constantly just like the /mu/core ones.

>>74323538
my god metal fans are annoying little pricks

>>74323521
>Soundcloud
Shutting down
>RYM
Garbage site
>Bandcamp
Bandcamp is basically soundcloud but with buying shitty indie albums instead of streaming
>Discogs
1 out of 4 man
>>74323538
t. Cuck

>>74322642
It actually gets worse year by year.

>>74322750
/daily/ is pretty balanced to be honest

>>74322757
Bad idea, but I like the message.

>>74322951
Generals improved the quality of the board, not the other way around.

>>74323521
I mean resources to discover music that effectively work in the /mu/ population. I'm thinking of a huge catalog of patrician core charts transformed into roll threads, for example. Or essential chart threads for things other than rock and hip hop and album oriented electronic.

>>74323565
No.

>>74323598
>a huge catalog of patrician core charts transformed into roll threads, for example. Or essential chart threads for things other than rock and hip hop and album oriented electronic.
see
>>74323565
swapping one group of albums for another doesn't work or help, see: the endless 'new patriciancore' charts a few years back

>>74323660
That post doesn't explain anything. There is no way /mu/core is going to get replaced, this is about widening the scope of the average /mu/tant, and I'm confident that if implemented well, my idea could work. Daily roll threads with readily available download links would be pretty efficient to raise more awareness of less popular artists.

/mu/core is the big problem with this board, and there's no way to get rid of it. The reason why /mu/core albums are discussed so much is because /mu/core is basically just the most discussed albums on /mu/, so most people here have heard them. If you make a thread about an album that isn't /mu/core or a new release, it will get no or next to no replies. The only way to get a non-/mu/core album discussed here is to spam it to death, which will make it become /mu/core.

I agree with the concept of generals. We should have separate ones for each of the major popular music genres and each of the major online platforms like RYM/Bandcamp/etc.

Each general should have posting limitations similar to /vg/ instead of standard board style.

There should definitely be sharethreads and various styles of chart threads as well.

The rest of the board should be dedicated to art music, jazz, (actual, not weak shit like Residents) experimental music, and traditional music. Those forms of music are far more worthy in terms of discussion, analysis, observation, and learning.

Other forms of music related discussion like for example stuff about the industry itself can also be done outside the generals.

Eliminate all waifufaggotry as well. Grimes and KPop should be moved to other boards (preferably /b/.) These are usually ran by a very small group of people, and there's nothing wrong with them moving their practically non-musical discussion elsewhere. Alternatively we can also have one general dedicated to waifufaggotry.

If the board's formatted like what I said above, it'll manage to have some kind of forced elitism that will allow only the best of the best to be discussed. And also the legit best of the best, regardless of muh mainstream poser or muh obscure avant teen labels. It encourages a posting economy that just won't be able to feasibly just do shitposts everywhere.

>>74323689
it really sucks that the illuminate are preventing you from implementing this idea, and all we can do is talk about it

>>74323598
>No
Yes. You have no clue how this forum works if you think just changing the charts will make everything different.

>>74323756
This, be the change you'd like to see

>>74323756
I'm actually working on some stuff, such as the Obscurity Score formula which I'm trying to automate now. I just stared browsing /mu/ again like 2 weeks ago and less than 4 days ago I stated caring about the current state of the board. Just give me some time.

>>74323778
That's not what I'm suggesting.

>>74323810
See above.

>>74323689
So we need roll charts of what, 10x10 of different music?

I'm on it

>>74323830
Youre formula needs work, any way you can streamline it? Alot of people seem to ignore it for the time it takes

>>74323830
That's totally what you're suggesting. Even with the other stuff, your model only encourages supply, not demand.

>>74323754
>then theres this faggot

there is nothing wrong with popular music

>>74323874
There is when it is all that is discussed

>>74323874
That's why I asked that there be multiple generals for it's very many genres. Those generals will probably still take up the majority of space on /mu/ in my model. You're fucking retarded if you thought I said pop music is bad.

>>74323858
Yes. You could start with the Patriciancore chart of 2014.

>>74323861
What more work does the formula need? I already improved it, but it's not a very noticeable difference (the scores are more accurate and is more aligned with the LastFM population than before).
Streamline?
And yeah, that's why I'm automating it, because it takes some time to calculate and because a lot of people made errors.

>>74323867
Eh, I'm pretty sure the demand on /mu/ is limited/fixed (number of hours of music per week), so increasing supply diversifies the "economy".

>>74323874
I agree, but 99% of the board is popular music.

>>74322391
Stop waiting our meta thread on why /mu/ is shit.

>>74323917
Could you post the current formula? I want to see if im using the older one

>>74323917
No, you autistic shit. Demand as in you can have your obscurity scores, pushing non-mussential charts, and obscure/experimental genre generals. But nobody gives two shits about these things, and then it'll be back to /mu/core again.

Honestly discussing music outside of a musicological viewpoint is always going to be fairly vapid and unproductive. It's more suited to shitty youtube comment threads than a forum.

"I like 'band'"
"Well you're a pleb for doing so"
"I agree with OP, 'band''s sophomore album was great"

Wow, amazing discussion there.

>>74323598
>>74323830
>>74323917
Fuck off you autist, no one likes you

>>74323858
I think this is one of the best ideas from all these metathreads. Spam the board with these from totally different genres to get some variety on the go.


>>74323917
>You could start with the Patriciancore chart of 2014.
No. Stop caring about image.

>>74323931
Sure, but it still needs some fixes.
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/wqt5ann0cz
o is your Google score (it's calculated the same as before)
z is your Obscurity Score
This time it appears to be coordinated by a similar distribution the mainstream calculator reveals from their users.

>>74323941
Nobody cares about Trout Mask Replica before going to /mu/ but almost everybody listens to it eventually.

>>74324010
>stop caring about image
Anon, I'm the one who proposed the in your opinion on of the bests ideas from all the metathreads. The Patrician core chart is just one of the many possible roll charts.

>>74324012
>implying /mu/ is what made TMR popular
>not the various articles, reviews, etc. that gave it the reputation it has that was then copped not just by /mu/ but also sites like Reddit
Not to mention the fact that very few people who listen to that album, even those who put it among their favs, even listen to anything else Magic Band does. You're delusional if you think it was all cuz of /mu/ that people know about TMR. I discovered it a decade ago through AllMusic myself.

>>74324038
I'm more interested in variety, be it a bleeps genre or jazz, classical or whatever, just something else for a change, the patriciancore charts were all about ''zomg I'm so superior.''

>>74323294
I think this is the same pragmatist who only sees beauty in art when it conveys a useful abstract concept.

>>74324062
Yeah variety is important, my biggest problem with mucore and this board is its rock dominated

>>74324059
That's not what I'm implying. I'm only implying a lot of people listen to it only because they found out about it on /mu/.

>>74324062
I'm the same as you, that's exactly why I'm suggesting the Patriciancore charts.

>>74324088
>>74324096
Don't worry, I'll make 3 up now real quick and none will be remotely rock.

>>74323598
>/daily/ is pretty balanced to be honest

Ironically says the tripfag talking about his hugbox.

>>74324012
Whats the formula for the google score?

>>74324137
I don't post on /daily/

>>74324154
Google log(a*b*c*etc)/10
With a, b, c, etc being the number of listeners from the artists of your ten favorite albums (no various artists, no duplicate artists, and duos and trios consider the artist with the most listeners only).

>>74324096
Yes, and I am saying that TMR built its demand through not just /mu/, but many sources outside of /mu/. It's a piss poor example because of that reason.

>>74322391
It's mainly used for screwing people over of self publicists (which is the same difference)

>>74324193
Wouldnt it make more sense to calculate based of the album listens instead of artists?

>>74324213
There pros and cons for both when it comes to the theory, but in practice there are too many cons when done with album listeners.

>>74324197
Okay.

>>74324245
Could you give some examples, just honest curiosity. Im interested in this whole project

Why are you guys still going on about the obscurity score bullshit? Every time it gets posted here ppl make fun of it or shit on it before it dies with no real intended participation. You guys are legit retarded if you think that's a good idea.

Obviously what we need is to focus on vaporwave.

>inb4 it was started here newfag lol
No, maybe some of the aspects of the "culture" began here, but many producers made the music, indifferent to /mu/s existence

>but it's just shitty takes no skill sounds bad wahhhhh
It's the new punk. The fact that so many people hate it proves that it pushes boundaries.

It's still fresh and subversive.
And it's still alive whether you like it or not.

>>74324245
>okay
Then why push such a flawed attempt at "change"?

>>74324263
For practical purposes, LastFM cataloging of albums is pure shit. Frank Zappa's Uncle Meat has like 40 different names. Artist names on the other hand are cataloged perfectly well, with no practically no duplicate artists.

>>74324294
Because I needed some samples first to test if the score was accurate. First time it wasn't for example.

>>74324305
Fuck off.

>>74324313
A poor attempt is better than no attempt

>>74324305
>It's still fresh and subversive.
>And it's still alive whether you like it or not.
You sound like your fresh out of your moms pussy.

>>74324345
Yeah but not at all in the way you're implying

>>74324316
Pleb

>>74324313
Because I don't think it's that flawed and I think it's going to be slightly effective at least.

>>74324543
?

there is nothing worse than nu-tripfags

>>74324574
It's not a matter of opinion though. Rather, it's a matter of efficiency, and your suggestions are wanting.
>>74324338
I would say it's the other way around because resources are being wasted on planning something so completely ineffective.

>>74322757
ONE hip hop/funk general
ONE jazz general
ONE electronic music general
ONE classical general

See guize we only need 8 threads on this board

>>74324854
>ONE jazz general
>ONE electronic music general
>ONE classical general
That is how it is now.

>>74324114
Chart #1

>>74325189

>>74325195
>turny
<3

>>74325152
This shouldn't be funny, but it is.

>>74324794
Let's see what I come up with then.

>>74324854
We only need 10 actually.
>Singer Songwriter
>Regional Music, Traditional Folk, Non European Classical
>European Classical
>Jazz
>R&B
>Rock
>Post Electro Electronic (""EDM"")
>Hip Hop
>Experimental
>Non Music

By not coming to this shithole anymore.

hiro just needs to add a /waifu/ board already

>>74322438
Are we allowed intelligent suggestions? Good suggestion though bro.

>>74325710
it wouldn't work because what do you do ban attractive female artists

>>74322951
People on /mu/ hate metal and people here only talk about the same 5 electronic artists and don't care about anything else.

You can only talk about Aphex, Boards of Canada, Massive Attack, Burial's one album, and Daft Punk for so long without people getting tired of it.

>>74322391
It's not something the 4chan mods or admins can do, we are the problem.

The problem isn't so much the obvious bait threads, it's the people who still respond to it. If doesn't matter if you call them out, or post a picture of the fish: every reply to that garbage gives them what they want.

People do it because it works. We, collectively, have to stop letting it work. The moment we stop responding to obvious bait and non-discussion is the moment it all goes away.

>>74327030
there's an easy way to ban waifu threads as >>74322548 points out and giving them their own containment board keeps them happy and puts less stress on the mods

essentially would serve the same purpose as "KPOP GENERAL" but on a larger board. you can still talk about these artists but excessive image posting is what's banned.

>>74322391
From mods/janitors:
>get rid of grimesfaggotry in threads besides grimes general, if it persists ban it all
>eradicate more or less all tripfags and namefags
>delete/warn/ban for blatant bait threads
>maybe cut back some on the amount of shitpost/meme threads in the catalog at any given time
>delete/warn for making duplicate threads on the same artist/album

From us:
>try to stop wanking over the same artists, promote more variety but don't devolve into muh extra patrician, muh obscurity score
>actually check the catalogue, if a thread is up already about an album/artist don't make another one. Mainly an issue before/after releases
>keep to your own general, especially waifu-tier generals like KPOP or grimes. Mostly referring to grimes, KPOPfags haven't been nearly as bad with that
>stop replying to obvious bait

>>74327701
>get rid of grimesfaggotry in threads besides grimes general, if it persists ban it all
Sure
>eradicate more or less all tripfags and namefags
No.
>delete/warn/ban for blatant bait threads
Such as?
>maybe cut back some on the amount of shitpost/meme threads in the catalog at any given time
Such as?
>delete/warn for making duplicate threads on the same artist/album
Agree

>try to stop wanking over the same artists, promote more variety
Yes
>don't devolve into muh extra patrician, muh obscurity score
Those come hand in hand.
>actually check the catalogue, if a thread is up already about an album/artist don't make another one. Mainly an issue before/after releases
Sure
>keep to your own general, especially waifu-tier generals like KPOP or grimes. Mostly referring to grimes, KPOPfags haven't been nearly as bad with that
Sure
>stop replying to obvious bait
Such as?

Can mods learn to spot disguised /pol threads?

Also stop /grimes/

>>74323574
why can't I like anything with a good community around it?

stop the grimes posting jesus christ
they have lost their right to discuss her at all, completely ban her from the board
also get some mods to actually mod
stop being boring fucks and listen to interesting music

>>74329348
They should still be allowed to at least one grimes thread, a Grimes General would be a good idea.

>>74322809
>>Bring back /wpop/ to contain the waifufags
No, I'm not posting my perfect waifu among inferior ones. There needs to be a /waifu/ or /cel/eb board for 3D waifuism that both encourages a balance of discussion and images/gifs/webms and isn't primarily focused on lewdness. Otherwise, /mu/ is stuck with "waifufags" and it will only continue to get worse.