>yeah I listen to nirvana, they are my favorite punk rock band!

>>74276503
>cool coo mine are the pixies

>>74276503
>yeah I hate women, I blow men!

>>74276503
How is she wrong?

>>74276537
Nothing wrong with that desu.

you could call nirvana a punk band and be at least partially right

>>74276695
>>74276503
Kurt thought punk was a mindset rather than a specific musical archetype

So yeah, Nirvana was punk.

>>74276542
Piss off. Holy shit.

Stop pretending that anyone would call Nirvana a "punk" band IRL without at least a tinge of irony, especially since you're only doing it because the OP posted a fucking woman and you feel it's immoral and unforgivable to critique anything a woman has said or might ever say.

Holy fuck shit. Piss off.

>>74276780
Woah, calm down dude

>>74276780
>Piss off. Holy shit.
Ooops you didnt seem to answer the question

Try again?

>>74276718
So he thought punk was a fashion trend got it

>>74276804
>>74276821
kek

>>74276821
She's not wrong. The OP isn't saying she's wrong either, you dense ass sack of shit.

OP is saying no one with self-awareness and a basic familiarity with music would unironically call Nirvana "punk" instead of grunge.

>>74276850
Neither of those replies were funny, you dipshit.

Op has a 99% chance of being a virgin

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>>74276503
>>74276542
>>74276695
>>74276718
REEEEEEEE IT'S NOT FUCKING PUNK IT GRUNGE THERE IS A FUCKING DIFFERENCE, PUNK IS NOT GRUNGE AND GRUNGE IS NOT PUNK HOLY FUCKING SHIT KILLYOURSELVES TIRED OF TRYING TO EXPAIN TO YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS1!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qsTFo0SNFY

>>74276894
>She's not wrong
That's what I just implied.

Are you replying to the wrong person?

>The OP isn't saying she's wrong either,
Of course he is. Is this your first summer on mu?
>>74276907
Oh is this grunge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDyvClUsCJU

Why do people even like Nirvana?

>song starts with clean guitar, light bass, soft drum track
>Cobain mumbles simple melody with shitty shallow depressing lyrics
> this whole part repeats 4 times
>chorus kicks in
>really loud distorted guitar
>Cobain repeats "YEAH YEAH" over the next 30 seconds
>verse again
>after second chorus cobain plays a "solo" thats really just the vocal melody to the verse
>more drawn out verse and chorus horseshit
>song ends

>>74276961
Sounds fine.

What';s wrong with it?

>>74276943
I know that's what you implied. I'm saying I'm not going to answer your question because you're right and she's not wrong.

>Of course he is.
No he isn't.

>>74276973
>I'm saying I'm not going to answer your question
Thanks for the discussion

>No he isn't.
Prove it

>>74276961
>Cobain repeats "YEAH YEAH" over the next 30 seconds
Name me three of his songs that does that.

>>74276961
>>74276971
Perfectly fine to me

>>74276961
>really loud distorted guitar
Most of what you said is part of fucking grunge.

>>74277000
Take any popular hit song of theirs, I guarantee it will match up with 6/8 of what I described

>>74276988
>Thanks for the discussion
Motherfucker, are you dumb? I'm not answering your question because I never disagreed with you, just like the OP.

You asked that question because you were too stupid to realize what OP was poking fun at.

>Prove it
I can't. You can't prove your position either.

Thanks for the discussion.

>>74277053
You didn't answer his question.

Name three songs that match that
>>74277067
>I'm not answering your question
Thanks for the discussion
>I can't.
Thanks for playing. No further replies are needed.

Nirvana is pretty much punk

>>74276943
Pretty grungey to me, desu.

>>74277030
So being boring, repetitive, and predictable is part of grunge?

>>74276907
This fucking faggot spent 9 minutes talking about his gay ass guitar strap what the fuck is this.

>>74276961
His lyrics are more often nonsensical

>>74277207
>be the biggest rock star in the world
>blow your brains out
Pretty punk rock actually

>>74277177
It's to get you moist.

>>74276503
I can think of a billion things a girl could say that are way worse than that.

>>74276894
Punk is a lifestyle. Nirvana was punk. Shoegaze is punk

>>74277207
Wasn't the rifle he used a .22 I don't think it'll rip his face off.

>>74277530
What do you mean by lifestyle? In a fashion sense? Punk and Grunge styles were a tiny bit similar, but very different.

She would be right. Nirvana's like the first band that managed to make the punk style of music interesting by having a wide variety of songs on their albums that are all dynamic, do everything from hardcore to noise rock bits, and aren't one dimensional like their influences (Pixies, Stooges, etc.) at all.

>favorite punk ro-
dropped

>>74277554
Minutemen

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>>74277124
>being boring, repetitive, and predictable is part of grunge

Just like the genre that inspired it, punk right?

>>74277551
punk is the eschewing of formal and traditional elements in a particular idea. I said shoegaze, for exampe, because it puts the purely sonic element at the forefront rather than lyrics, structure, etc. There are punk elements in fashion too. I guess im kinda relating punk with avant garde. Nirvana utilized distortion and noise heavily and cobain would write lyrics30 minutes before finishing the songs, among other things that were punk

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>>74277207
>>74277547

that's a fake.
here is a real photo from the crime scene

>>74277547
I thought it was a shotgun

>>74277578
Nah, those were some ADHD faggots who couldn't make real songs.

Best nirvana song coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTyIF_sjDlY

>>74276961
because most people (especially women) latch on to manufactured elements of popular culture that try to appear otherwise (bands like nirvana) in an attempt to delude those around them into thinking that they have even a sliver of personality

>>74278009
omg so woke wow! XD

>>74278317
you're a dork

>>74278009
thats literally most of /mu/. it has nothing to do with gender

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Yes, Nirvana is considered "Grunge" and Bleach pretty much bears that out, but Nirvana could be punk as fuck if/when they wanted to.

Dave Grohl in the mid 80s was in a band called Dain Bramage as well as D.C. punk legends Scream.

Also, before Curt killed himself, they recruited Pat Smear from The Germs to be part of the band.

Need more proof that, in spite of, and despite the fact that Nirvana were considered Grunge they could do punk and do it well?

Take a listen to the following songs.....

>Love Buzz
(A basic re-working of Wire's Three Girl Rhumba)
>Negative Creep
>Been a Son
>Smells Like Teen Spirit
(Somebody in the video is wearing a Bad Brains shirt)
>Breed
>Territorial Pissing
(Sounds like something that could've been on Social Distortion's Mommy's Little Monster album)
>Polly
(The Incesticide version)
>Turn Around
(Devo Cover)
>D-7
(Wipers' cover)
>Molly's Lip
>Son Of a Gun
(Both Vaseline covers)
>Downer

These songs PROVE that Nirvana could punk out with the best of them!

Nirvana is a meme band, it's just fitting a meme girl would enjoy them

>>74278438
/mu/ is one of the most female boards on 4chan

>>74276961
It's about as deep as pop music gets but at least it has energy. And obviously we're both just talking about Nevermind. Cut Nevermind out of Nirvana's discography and you would have a rock band that could be unironically appreciated for it's artistic merits.
>paper cuts is Nirvana's best track

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>>74276503
Alice in Chains>Nirvana

>>74279764
>finally got around to listening to AiC unplugged today
Prime shit, brother man.

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>>74279764
Damn straight.

>>74277739
>crime scene
lol

>>74279764
Sebadoh>Chains>Nirvana

come at me bro

>>74279821
You're not getting any cool points for this post, anon. Might as well delete it now.

>>74279764
Kurt Cobain wished his voice was as angst ridden and heavy as Layne's

>>74277502
its not even a bad one.
my gf says stupid shit like this all the time because she finds math more interesting than art and is probably autistic.

>>74279764
>you will never hear Love, Hate, Love covered during the unplugged session.
>you got Brother, Over Now, Sludge Factory and Angry Chair which either doesn't sound much different from the studio version or don't have the structure to effectively use the unplugged gimmick.
Otherwise great album.

>>74276907
>>74276780

Punk and grunge are the exact same fucking thing.

No? Explain to me the difference then.

>>74276537
patrician

>>74279821
>Chains
'za

>>74280200
Is the difference between the two even that big? When nirvana came out I was mostly into punk and hardcore bands, grunge just seemed like a different style of punk to me...I guess I've never really given much thought into that though. I certainly don't care enough to get my knickers in a twist over it on a anime picture board

>>74279764
good taste my man

>>74280200
You might've gotten dubs, but this is bait, or you're dumber than a sack of hair?

Grunge is basically based on 70s rock like Aerosmith, and Led Zepplin, although Alice in Chains borrowed a lot from Black Sabbath.

Punk is based more on 60s garage rock mixed in with bands that nobody liked back then i.e. The Velvet Underground and The Fugs, also throwing in a bit of hard rock such as The MC5 and Stooges, and topping it off with a touch of glam/glitter like Slade, Sweet, Ziggy Stardust era David Bowie pre 1975 Alice Cooper,and, of course The New York Dolls.

If you think Grunge and Punk are the same, you are deaf, or ignorant, or both.

>>74276961
because of meme popularity from a suicide back when they were popular


same would have happened to linkin park or korn if they singer killed themselves at the height of their career

happened to nirvana though so the exposure got them remember as a brilliant band.

>>74277177
holy shit i though you were exaggerating

>>74279764
Nah

>>74280200
Grunge is basically Punk but reversed, slowed down, and add more distortion and classic rock beats.

>>74279764
Nope
Soundgarden >= Nirvana > Alice in Chains

>>74278009
>manufactured elements of popular culture that try to appear otherwise (bands like nirvana)
Are you retarded? How were they manufactured?

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>>74276503
>wtf i love The Ramones, my favourite song is MMMBop.

>>74279750
Nevermind is really good, just the production sucks. The Devonshire mixes make the album sound so much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mDanFE3G1E

>>74277547
20 gauge shotgun.

>>74276780
Nirvana had plenty of punk rock songs.

>>74279764
>>74279781
>>74279804
>>74279821
>>74279848
>>74279916
>>74282128
>>74281972
Daily Reminder that Alice in Chains was barely a Grunge band, more heavy metal. So it's a disqualification.

>>74276901
So does everyone here. Stop putting so much value in pussy

>>74283296
"Grunge" isn't really a genre, the bands sound nothing like one another, it was just a label tacked onto anything blonde that came out of Seattle. Also AiC aren't really metal either, where are the metal riffs and metal drumming? I like the band plenty and I like metal but I can't see how they fit in as metal.

>>74276537
being gay is amazing. Just don't talk to fuckboys

>>74283141
I haven't listened to Nevermind in a while. I can't even tell the difference between them.

>>74283340
The official Nevermind mix sounds much more sterile, this mix is louder, bassier and above all the individual instruments are more dynamic. The normal version sounds like someone recorded the album playing out of a car stereo.

>>74280200
>>74280507
If you think these are anything alike, you're beyond reconciliation

Punk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_y44jsG0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrVQebWCtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw60q0wEt6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAB6U_LiB48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7kLsDK19WM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRiZMtpvDIo

Grunge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEKEtDTRmw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_unV0UPGUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpMt_YqVbhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOOgQtLI4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWZ9ihZ_TUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csmybgZLK8M

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>>74283322
>>74283296
Pretty much this.

You know what Alice in Chains has in common with Pantera? Both used to be Glam bands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-gx957MEO4

>>74283322
There is a pattern to Grunge music that it's basically is it's own genre. Grunge has a lot of fuzz, distortion, slowed down and also more gritty vocals. I would also classify it as a mixture of punk and classic rock because there is sometimes fast and changing pinky riffs(like nirvana) while there is also more classic rock chords progressions with more traditional rock soloing( like Pearl Jam)

>>74283442
Black Sabbath were the OG grungers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3NBdgLmPio

Just add raspy vocals, and make the production sound more modern, and there you have it.

>>74283404
Wtf didnt know AC used to be a glam band too. Fuck i cant even understand how its possible to go from this to what they became later on. Like, wtf happened? They just someday decided "ok let's stop doing this gay shit and now we're sad"

>>74283486
99% of all notorious music came from trends. People just played what was popular at the time.

>>74283404
Jesus Christ, it's as fag rock as it gets.

Nirvana are not punk rock, they are pop punk

>>74277207
delet

>>74279537
i dont want to read any of this, thanks though.

>>74276901
More like 100%

>>74276961
>after second chorus cobain plays a "solo" thats really just the vocal melody to the verse
He's only done this for two songs

>>74279747
That's /cgl/ /soc/ and /fa/

>>74283322
i kinda put AiC in the same brand as Type O Negative. Not equals but in terms of how dark it can get

>>74277000
Smells, Heart Shaped, Lithium, Come As You Are

he pretty much is one step behind Rob Zombie in terms of YEAH

>Im insecure about my music taste and overall personality so i make fun of people that enjoy other music I dont like

>>74284549
More like 99999%

>>74284970
>I think art should be appreciated and I promote art and work for the government to promote art and youth programs based around the arts and feel strongly that people should open their mind up to music outside top 40, even though some top 40 is pretty good.

>>74279750
Nevermind is necessary for In Utero. I don't really mind it, I just think of it more as power pop than grunge.

>>74276537
>2017
>Being gay
Pick two

Nirvana is pure fucking horse shit

^ (You)

It's punk because the lead singer (Kurt) can't sing

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So when did you grow out of your phase of hating Nirvana thanks to its horrible fan base and accepted that they are a really competent, albeit overrated by plebs band?

>>74287628
Never hated them, just grew bored of replaying Nevermind in my teens, but after I discovered the rest of their discography I quite enjoy them.

>>74283299
Like do you seriously get mad at these alt girls or whatever? Who cares honestly

>>74283372
>>74280507
>>74280454
>>74282087
The most notable difference between grunge and punk is the fashion. Flannel shirts and long hair vs leather jackets and mowhawks.

Musically they're very similar. Angry anti-establishment music with agressive drumming and distorted guitars.

>>74283322
>>74283404
To add to this, I'd say that "grunge" is just a term used to describe 90s punk bands from North America.

>>74276780
lmfao, someone's bitter af

>>74276503
Nirvana was very punk on their first album and released a few punk songs after
Also punk is more of an attitude in music. For the most part
Basically if you're angry and anti establishment and play fast and distorted power chords and shout you're punk

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>>74279537
>Devo
>punk

Reminder that youre a deluded contrarian if you think the pixies, meat puppets or mudhoney were better than nirvana. Kurt could write "heavy rock" songs that didnt sound samey and carry aggression while still being catchy and memorable. Krist and dave(and every other drummer) played their roles subtley but well and just amplified kurts energy.

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>>74276503
in 1989 this would be correct.

>>74276780
kill yourself

>>74284441
fuck off

>>74284970
basically this entire board

>>74289994
>Kurt could write "heavy rock" songs that didnt sound samey and carry aggression while still being catchy and memorable.
Lmao even kurt admitted nirvana had a formula in their songwriting. Its quiet/loud/quiet with melodramatic lyrics

>>74289994
Mudhoney aren't half-bad, but Pixies are very dull.

>>74276907
>tele
Absolutely Disgusting

>>74276537
you bet motherfucker

>>74276780
hoyl fucking shit dude

>>74276780
kys

>>74276804
>>74288073
>>74290084
>>74290791
>>74291933
>t. numales

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>>74279804
andrew?

>>74276542
>>74276695
>>74276718
Grunge wasn't even a real genre and Nirvana was a punk band. The rest of the bands associated with that label were either rock or metal bands.

>>74284441
What's the matter?
Afraid you might learn something new, or look at/listen to Nirvana with a different perspective?

>>74289507
Actually the Are We Not Men album and the Hardcore Collections ARE punk!

Now the original version of Turn Around by Devo ISN'T punk, but Nirvana's cover of the song IS.

>>74291984
t. classic gentleman

>>74283372
Thanks for the video tutorial.
Not so much of a grunge fan, but you posted some good examples of different styles of punk. (And incidentally, I always considered About A Girl more pop than either punk or grunge. I think School would've been a better example of Nirvana being Grunge)

>>74290067
>>74293875
>>74292404
>>74290791
you have bad taste

>>74277207
This nigga got pasta all over his face lmao why is he holding a piece of wood taped to aluminum tubes?

>>74293426
Refer to these
>>74283372
>>74283442

>muh grunge
I wish you fags just killed yourselves in high school like you should have

>>74294008
>I think School would've been a better example of Nirvana being Grunge
In Bloom and Aneurysm is another good Grunge example.

>>74294137
>t. assblasted glamrocker
I bet those tears were delicious when Kurt and Grunge eternally btfo your faggy genre. You probably listen to pink floyd on repeat, faggot.

>>74294229
>pink floyd
>glamrock
wut?

>>74294229
>implying glam wasn't dead and buried already in 1991

>>74276780
Nirvana is a punk band though... So are The Melvins and Mudhoney

>>74296286
Melvins are metal.

>>74279764
>Comparing the two even though they sound nothing alike
nice meme

>>74283296
Daily Reminder that Grunge is more a movement than a real genre and most of the big grunge bands don't even sound all that similar.

>>74296352
>two bands that sound nothing like each other being lumped together
Looks like "grunge" to me.

>>74294097
Punk has a much broader spectrum than you seem to think

>>74296321
hardcore punk and doom metal/sludge metal mixed together desu

>>74276780
summer /mu/ is fun

>>74296454
>hardcore punk and doom metal
These two combined make sludge metal.

>>74296388
Except they all have the slow, distorted fuzzy sludgy sound that is unique to only them. So, Grunge is a genre.

>>74296807
>slow, distorted fuzzy sludgy
Nice vague bullshit, I take it Kyuss and My Bloody Valentine are grunge too.

>>74276961
you have not listen to drain you or serve the servants have you?

>>74296845
Except they don't feel "gritty" and raw like Grune. Here, consider the following.
>>74283372
You have to be a complete moron to not see the difference.

>>74297029
>they don't feel "gritty" and raw
Alright so Crowbar and Acid Bath are grunge?

>>74296845
> My Bloody Valentine
Aren't those some of the bands that went under the "nugrunge" or some bullshit like that?

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>>74276503
>>74276521
>>74276537
>>74276542
>>74276596
>>74276695
>>74276718
>>74276780
>>74276804
>>74276821
>>74276825
>>74276850
>>74276894
>>74276901
>>74276907
>>74276961
>>74277030
>>74277000
hello epic department?
i'd like to file a claim

>>74297057
Crowbar is metal. Grunge isn't solely defined by the sound, but by the lyrics. Grunge has a angsty, almost out of breath voice by most of the singers, while Crowbar is just metal with distortion and sludge(hence, sludge metal)

>>74297060
No. Girls like in the OP probably would never have even heard of MBV.

>>74279764
STP>Soundgarden>>>AiC>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nirvana>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pearl Jam

>>74276503
Why the fuck would a grunge chick say that Nirvana is punk rock? They might be musically retarded but they know that much at least

>>74297333
>Nirvana
>not better than those pleb tier bands
Contrarian detected. Shit taste like this is why Kurt """"""""suicided"""""

>>74297226
>Grunge has a angsty, almost out of breath voice by most of the singers
cobain is usually just yelling though

>>74297402
His songs do have short burst of yelling, they were known for that. But do you tell that when he sings his voice kinda feels like he doesn't try? Don't know how to describe it, but Drain (you), in bloom, territorial pissing is what I mean.

>>74297333
My fucking man

>>74287942
> punk is grunge and thrash and heavy metal and black metal nu metal and...

you probably call any music with harsh vocals "screamo"

>>74276961
besause he is good at doing it. duh. are you dumb.

>>74277870
not even

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH_5XNpVdm0

>>74276825
*conceptual approach to music
ftfy

>>74284906
>come as you are
>YEAH

did you even listen to the song?

>>74276718
Kurt was inspired by punk music though. He is partially right though.

>>74276961
Still a good song.
Bet you're fun at parties..

>>74300209
Holy shit this is some good stuff. Thanks.

>>74297742
You might as well.

Only autists care about the difference between "post hardcore" and "metalcore"

>>74297384
Kurt was a weak, drug addled, Courtney cuck.
If he hadn't kia, he would have been the laughing stock he should be.