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What a fantastic idea, complimenting Bill's signature sappy sentimental style of jazz with a flute. I'm in love.

>>74246896
can someone please articulate the differences between bebop, hard bop, and post-bop? i've heard plenty from each genre, but i still don't totally get the difference.

>>74247115
bebop is fast, technical and not very danceable
hard bop is rhythmic and pretty danceable
post-bop is (basically) 60s contemporary jazz that doesn't fit into a preexisting category

>>74247115
They're not genres, they're idioms. Also don't get caught in the metalsperg subgenre faggotry.

>>74247181
they're more like musical time periods. there's nothing wrong with learning about their meaning and origin

>>74247169
>>74247215
dope, thank you!

>>74247169
Bebop's pretty danceable I think? The rhythms are very defined

>>74246896
for hard bop, you can't go wrong with early Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers and Lee Morgan's "The Sidewinder"

>just play random notes on a grating instrument

wow great song bro

>>74248106
it's a lot less danceable than its predecessors

>>74248283
nice bait

>>74248485
Unironically true. Jazz literally sounds like a random sequence of notes.

>>74248605
to you maybe

>>74248106
It tends to be very high-tempo though. But I agree that bebop is a lot more danceable than it is made out to be. I think part of it was that it's harder to dance to compared to the stuff that came before so it got a reputation for being hard to dance to that then stuck.

>>74248605
This. Fast drum beat, busy bass line with no discernable groove or melody and finally a sax hitting random notes as fast as possible over top of it.

Parents in the 50s would tell their kids it sounded like noise and they were actually fucking right.

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What did jtg mean by this?

>>74249156
lol you have no clue what you're talking about

>>74249332
I firmly believe there's no way you can truly enjoy jazz unless you either grew up primarily listening to it and/or you play it yourself and understand the musical language.

Melodically it has nothing in common with any other popular form of Western music. It literally is just random notes. I mean fuck, I appreciate the art of improvisation as much as the next guy but what's so impressive when the musician can hit ANY note he wants? At least a Rock musician hits a sour note you have to admit he fucked up. Jazz is just like "lol i'm just expressing myelf" and all that bullshit.

>>74249458
One mythical, out-of-context quote from one jazz musician doesn't mean that jazz is all just random notes. In the proper context, you can make any note valid, but the context makes all the difference.

Just try it yourself. Go to youtube and search for "jazz backing track" and then hit play on any random one and pick up an instrument and try playing random notes over it. Even if you've never played that instrument before, it doesn't matter if you're just playing random notes right?

Then search for the same tune, but find a jazz musician who you've heard of playing it. The differences should be immediately apparent. If they aren't, feel free to post a recording of yourself playing over the backing track and I'm sure someone will be happy to point them out to you.

>>74249458
nice job regurgitating what you saw last thread

>>74249654
>One mythical, out-of-context quote from one jazz musician doesn't mean that jazz is all just random notes.

I don't know what quote you're referring to. I don't need anyone to point out to me that Jazz is random notes, it's painfully obvious any time I listen to it.

>>74249702
>nice job regurgitating what you saw last thread

I wasn't in the last thread. It shouldn't come as a shock that a lot of people think Jazz is tuneless noise.

Bottom line, when Jimi Hendrix plays a 15 minute guitar solo it's melodic and beautiful. When Miles Davis does a 15 minute trumpet solo it's grating, tuneless and soulless noise.

This might be a bit outside of the context, but i was bored yesterday and used an old ride sample and added kicks and snares and picked up the bass to fuck around with. Ended up with this. It's not mixer or anything. Pretty much just a raw idea.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QtNE9FxmKS

Vocaroo makes it sound like shit but you'll get the idea.

>>74249763
https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/74194391/#74194728

>when Jimi Hendrix plays a 15 minute guitar solo it's melodic and beautiful
jesus christ are you 15 years old?

>>74250037
best to just ignore what is an obvious troll

>>74249188
that it transcends any score

>>74246896
Hearing this right now. Tango-Jazz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_pLL278zoM

Any other jazz-fusion with latinamerican styles?

do you guys know of any other good "experimental" big band records? like Africa/Brass for example

>>74250514
Sun Ra Arkestra
Globe Unity Orchestra
Instant Composers Pool (ICP)

>>74250514
The obvious one is Ascension but perhaps you've heard that one already

>>74250037
>pretends to like random bee booo bippity bop trash

Jesus christ are you incapable of not being pretentious? I guarantee deep down you don't actually enjoy 90% of what you listen to. It jut makes you feel cool.

>>74250630
just because you don't understand why people like it doesn't mean i don't like it

anyone have good sad jazz recs?

>>74248605
for you

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Looking for jazz guitarists similar to Grant Green.

>>74248605
wow.
someone with no comprehension of how to either make nor listen to music.
interesting specimen.
save this one for dissection.

>>74249763
ok, baitmeister.

you are lost.
just leave.
miles is probably one of the most thoughtful players as to where, when, and what note to play. if you cant recognize that, youre hopeless.

as to your "random noise" line - that could just as well apply to jimi's feedback.
of course someone who digs music would never say that.
i happen to love jimi.
have some jimi and go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E1qCAPJJPE

>>74248605
Prove it.

>>74246896
the audio on that lockjaw track is unfortunate....
still, nice to hear some more ben fucking riley

more krupa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr5keYcHgo4

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Opinions on Art Tatum? Specifically his solo stuff

>>74252880
damn, that U is......just damn....


>>74252855
dope cover

>>74246896
Sammy Nestico is hands down the best big band writer of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II_XvGVZP4Q&ab_channel=MycroftKuroba

>>74249763
>I don't need anyone to point out to me that Jazz is random notes

This is just factually incorrect. Learn some music theory dummy.

>>74252084
Joe Pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2olBE4C5_Gk&t=2124s&ab_channel=RochestersEarl

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>>74252084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2c6-Uo4KI&list=PLZU1NdVSGzhiG2Rbur5g98yh2vHDV0D5D&index=33

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Herbie Nichols' use of dissonance is incredibly inspirational! Definitely worth checking this out if you're into some tasteful dissonance.

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>>74253431
Another recommendation, albiet it less dissonant than Nichols, is this Elmo Hope tribute perfomed by members of New Stories (yes, the guys of Windows XP fame). I've listened to this to death over the last few months, all fantastic musicians.

>>74252880
not gonna speak on his solo stuff, except to say that ofc it's genius, but I would recommend you listen to the group recordings he did with Ben Webster! very very very very very very good

>>74253398
Pat is so good

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Listening to this right now. Such an underrated record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9bbsK9QwI

Listening to Sextant for the first time after putting it off for no apparent reason. Wow its good, kinda reminds me of On The Corner a bit.

i just art tatum'd the archive

all links shut down...

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thoughts?

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>>74248605
For you.

Jazz is degenerate negroid music. Go fuck yourself.

>>74254686
ITT someone who has no idea about jazz music,

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Damn....which overrated Jazz artist will jtg BTFO next? I really hope it's Mingus.

>>74255026
its a review like that which helps you find the good albums.

cant wait to check it out.

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postin actually good album

>>74255026
It's not like it's bad or anything... just not that good

>>74250142
Have you heard Raices s/t? It's Caribbean I believe but it really scratches that itch for me.

>>74252236
You should've posted those Jimi Hendrix Miles Davis imagined collabs videos

>>74249774
i fucking love this

What makes Black Saint good? I really enjoyed it when I was getting into jazz (which I'm still doing, albeit far ahead), and I still enjoy listening to it now, but does it deserve the praise it gets now?

I'd also like some more brassy stuff I feel like it's hard to find good ensemble arrangements

>>74252084
literally every other jazz guitarist

>>74255855
Listening to it. They are really good, i'm surprised that I never heard of them before. Argentina really does have many music gems.

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>>74253431
i've heard the icp orchestra rendition of nichols, really interesting, but i will give a listen to the originals now, thanks

>>74249774
Sounds nice. If you're gonna have the bass carry the song melodically, you can afford to get off chord roots a little more. Link it again if you develop it into a full thing.