/prod/ Production General

>>74242194
Why do people think prod is dying? It's been full of discussion and lot's of feedback with some genuinely good music being posted.

Can I have some lead VST recommendations? I'm trying to make a little dream pop.

Let's say I'm a producer that does everything "in the box" with digital software and wanted to start considering some outboard gear (but not modular synth modules).

What's some essential rack-mounted gear that doesn't have a comparable digital equivalent?

Like something that's of such a good quality that no digital plugin will ever get close, or something that does something that can't be emulated digitally, etc.

>>74242311
Try Diva or Serum.

This video shouldn't be removed from the OP imo. It helped me a lot when I started /prod/ing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjOdqZFvhY

>>74242358
damn these are fucking amazing, am I a retard if I don't pirate them?

>>74242206
It often takes a few threads dying before one gets some traction. Also not everybody is used to it being a daily... a couple of the same fags have been posting their shit really often and makes it seem like less people than there actually are.

I used to take care to make sure everybody who posted a clyp got a response in a giant response but I've been slacking because depression and working on my own stuff :^(

>>74242311
literally any of the big name stuff...

>>74242352
Your post indicates that you're not really in need of anything or maybe trying to compensate for fear that you could be missing out on something- you're not. Unless we start throwing around specific names of crazy expensive vintage gear then that shit is indistinguishable/negligibly different.

To answer your question though, preamps for colour. Good pres are kind of silly to have without the real deal when it comes to synths though. Eh

is it frowned upon to ask for feedback on your music in this thread i'm new to 4chan.

>>74242491
No that's the whole point.

>>74242428
Yes.
Unlrss you're rich enough that spending hundreds of dollars on something you can get for free makes no difference whatsoever on your finances.

I tried to make a burial ish track but it ended up more housey.
Thoughts?

https://clyp.it/lhb3pmgz

>>74242435
That's right. I really don't need anything hardware right now and don't really care about having a specific vintage sound or anything.

I'm just looking at studio desks and many have rack space built into them so I'm trying to decide if it'll ever be useful to me or not.

I was thinking of getting one analog synth like the Moog Slim Phatty though.

Also I remember Deadmau5 talking about some amazing hardware limiter called "Dynax 2" that supposedly doesn't ruin the sound. Is that worth it in your opinion?

>>74242626
A quick google tells that it goes to lower ratios so it's useful as a compressor and is good for color as well...

imo, yeah a compressor like that would be top of the list for hardware. I'd personally spend the money elsewhere just because ozone has me covered for mastering but it'd definitely be nice to have. Using compressors for tone is underrated imo.

>>74242555
Serum updates though

>>74242491
No just don't be a faggot. You probably need to lurk for a while but /prod/ isn't as hostile as the rest of /mu/ normally

>>74242709
>A quick google tells that it goes to lower ratios so it's useful as a compressor and is good for color as well...
>imo, yeah a compressor like that would be top of the list for hardware. I'd personally spend the money elsewhere just because ozone has me covered for mastering but it'd definitely be nice to have. Using compressors for tone is underrated imo.
I don't care about color. I just wanted a limiter that can be pushed hard without introducing those artifacts that ruin the sound.
If it also colors the sound I don't mind, but I'm 100% fine with transparent ones.

https://clyp.it/jax35jf2

I want to make the next IDM classic

>>74242435
You're are a cool guy, my man. Don't be depressed. Just be yourself.

>>74242709
>Serum updates though
>>74242555
Where did you pirate Serum? TPB has some oldass version and the rutracker shit I can't figure out how to install

>>74242812
I think that's more to do with your own skills than the limiter man

>>74243042
You are a kind guy my man.

Goodnight. Hopefully social obligation will leave me be tomorrow to continue holed up in ableton and /prod/
._.

https://clyp.it/0zyuah3u
Some edgy shit. I'd like to get some feedback before adding lyrics.

>>74243049
https://fresh-stuff4u.com/
https://audioz.download/

But you have to be fast with Xfer stuff because they get removed within 24 hours.

I have them on my RSS reader so I get notified as soon as they get posted.

The last one I've got is the v1.20b9 (both the instrument and the FX, as installer or updater).
Give me some time and I'll upload it.

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Try and find some more realistic, acoustic sounding drums. It's pretty edgy m8, but if you can pull off some MSI type vocals you might just succeed with this track. The distorted cracking bass should die out at 2:07ish point. fade that out.


here's a track of mine that's almost finished. Only been mixed in headphones so far so not sure how it'll translate if you're using monitors for playback. Lemme know what you think of the song structure and overall tune! (:

https://clyp.it/wqgdvm0t

>>74243051
What do you mean?
If I'm mastering a well-mixed song and need to limit it pretty hard, the result will usually be pretty shit, but I often hear famous producers saying that it's because digital limiters/maximizers aren't as good and don't have the same "clarity" as their analog counterpart.

>>74243372
this was meant for
>>74243081

>>74243322
>https://fresh-stuff4u.com/
>https://audioz.download/

Different anon here

thanks m8

You just saved me 500 bucks, was about to buy omnisphere because I couldn't be arsed to deal with rutracker

>>74243472
You're welcome Anon.

Do the links work?

I imagine it's a pretty big download, so maybe try JDownloader to manage them eaily like on a Torrent client.

>>74243472
You can just get omnisphere from TPB tho.

>>74243049
>>74243322
Here you go:
http://www53.zippyshare.com/v/IgMa4SvP/file.html
http://www53.zippyshare.com/v/8cfSGX1w/file.html
http://www53.zippyshare.com/v/a9uaLOE5/file.html

v1.20b9 installer and updater for both Windows and Mac

I haven't tried this particular release but if you follow the instructions inside, everything should work fine.

If the full installer doesn't work or activate for some reason, try installing the oldest version you can find (older ones aren't very strong against piracy) and update that with the updater.

I've been slowly going through the lessons on musictheory.net but I am confused on how I would actually translate what I've been learning into actually making music.

Is there anthing else I should be going through alongside those lessons?

>>74244007
You should be creating music as you learn. Acquiring knowledge will make progress easier as you wont get stuck and it'll give you more tools to compliment your creativity.

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>>74244007
I'm not sure what level you're at, but you can try watching YouTube videos about those concepts to actually see them being applied.

Also download this (pic related shows the content):
http://www58.zippyshare.com/v/Eaw7HMGX/file.html

Start with "Dance music manual", then go with "Music theory for computer musicians", then "Composition for the computer musician", then "Harmony for the computer musician".

>>74243967
Here's Serum v1.0.0 if you guys need it:
http://www59.zippyshare.com/v/eimeRbj4/file.html

It's the one I use and updated from, and it always works without an issue.

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>>74242194
Just started production. What's the best way to gain a decent understanding of what makes interesting beats?

Obviously I can just try and experiment until I find what sounds good but I'd like to gain a deeper understanding.

Also, been using Melodics. Anyone used it before? Thoughts?

>>74244216
Should clarify, a decent understanding of how to make interesting beats.

>>74244007
I think having a repertoire of songs you've learned by other people gives you a vocabulary so that instead of thinking I need to try embellishing this chord using these numbers you would have an idea of what you want because you've heard practical examples of it.

So swap between learning theory and songs and you will get like a tangential learning thing where both things help you familiarize with the other

https://clyp.it/0g0fyrgp

Melodic/prog metal project of mine. My main concerns are the drums a little low despite being almost at full volume (without clipping) and i cant seem to get it louder. Any feedback is appreciated i am a noob.

>>74244216
You're basically looking for a good seed to grow from. You need to listen very closely and be like a talent scout for sounds, you need to be able to hear something and say 'there's something in this' and get an intuition for spotting little 'logos' in sounds.

>>74244072
I should think about learning a DAW again then. I've always had a problem getting started initially however.

>>74244108
I've gone through maybe a bit over half on that website, and never made any music before, so I'm fairly low level. I'll look into those books you mentioned though, thank you.

>>74244272
I'm a bit confused with what you mean by that, how would I go about just learning songs?

>>74244412
If you wanna learn theory you can also fuck around with an instrument. In fact, I'd recommend doing that before moving into a daw or at the same time.

>>74244432
I own a synth, but no audio interface. It was basically me just hitting random keys not knowing what to do which made me want to learn theory. I should power it up again some time.

>>74244412
Sheet music or playing by ear

I can play along to music as I hear it on the guitar from just constantly trying to imitate what I heard as a kid, I've been learning the keyboard for about a year and I'm still not sure if you can do the same kind of thing on the piano, like maybe you need theory to have reference points whereas on the guitar frets have different sizes and tension so it's like braille in a way and you can get muscle memory, there's more polyphony on a keyboard and it's a bunch of repeating octaves so you need to get a good ear for intervals cuz its less tactile.

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Made a quick remix of a DMX acapella, I LOVE the synth in here so I kept going and this is how it is right now. If anyone has any tips and pointers please enlighten me!!

https://clyp.it/ijqpgyby?token=e449b71e08175b620a6fb57b1e36603f

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added some acapella rap to the beat i made, thoughts?

https://clyp.it/1owgpjoq

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Guys i want to get better at my playing/piano skills. What is the best routine i should practice everyday. I need something please

Anyone have a motivation problem? I was really into making beats a year or so ago and it got to a point where i didnt see a point. I've always wanted to have friends that are into making beats where we can teach each other and listen to each others stuff, i was just making a beat and then didnt know what to do with it, i have no friends to show it to and so many people make beats these days i doubt id be able to sell any for the anything worth the time ive put into them. I enjoy doing it but i need something more i dont know.

>>74245401
i keep playing guitar because guitar is common and i know i will have jobs and friends if i keep at it. i'm sorry for your instrument being the piano roll

>>74245401
Make other styles maybe. When you're dry out of ideas, instead of making beats make synth pop, EDM, downtempo, whatever. Even if it sucks you might get new ideas and hone your skills.

>>74245401
Same feel. I stopped making techno because the best I could get would be making online meme music. Now all I do is fuck around making 50s/60s style electronic music.

anything you notice to be adjusted or changed
https://clyp.it/zromzqxo

If I sample Trent Reznor is he gonna kill me?

https://clyp.it/2xp43fun

anyone have any idea what kind of percussion i could add on top of this?

i always get stuck after adding the "melody".

>>74243967
Thanks my dude, I'm downloadinging it now

>>74245900
are you signed to a label or have any sort of buzz around your music? because if not, you can sample literally anyone and nothing will come of it

>>74246614
Am I gonna get sued if I eventually get buzz?

>>74246811
Not him but it's a possibility.

Maybe if you get famous under a different name nobody at his label will notice, but if you keep the same name there's a possibility that your old stuff will get a lot of views and get noticed (it's unlikely but you're never too cautious when you risk getting punched right in the chest by Trent's big ass arms and then getting yelled at).

>>74246811
Yeah man don't do it
He's gonna shout at you so hard man you really don't want to get shouted at like that

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>>74246920
>>74246939
Fuck Trent. It's Cortini you have to look out for that motherfucker will eat your babies if you fuck with him

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Does anyone have suggestions for either VSTs, MIDI modules, or sample packs for high-quality piano sounds?

>>74247087
pianoteq is pretty much the standard

>>74247087
Native instruments. Grandeur, the gentleman Alicia's keys, the giant.

>>74247152
>>74247162
Thanks, senpai <3

>>74246811
if you put it on a release that you're making money from, possibly. if it's just some thing that's floating around on your soundcloud/youtube/etc not making you any money, then i doubt anything would come of it

Does anybody in here actually have any normies / non-musicians listen to their stuff? E.g. youtube channel or something like that

How many clicks / views / whatever do you get on your shit?

Didn't get any responses from last thread.

Any advice or critique on this song, /prod/?

https://clyp.it/3rw2yfce

>>74243379
>>74243379
(Consider the cool factor of hardware when they say that)

Dude plenty of pros do everything in ozone or with waves or whatever. If you're saying that your masters come out sounding like shit you probably don't know what you're doing or those songs aren't as well mixed as you think.

Idk what "limiting pretty hard" means to you but there's a limit no matter your gear of how hard you can push it without distortion. There are techniques to push it harder but you'll get artifacts no matter what beyond a point.

How the fuck do you stay inspired? I'm so burnt out from failing at this point that I'm not even trying to make the kind of music that I like. I end up with this shit https://clyp.it/qlfrx50a

>>74247518
Not really. I've submitted an EP for reviews and have had tracks on compilations or played on small podcasts that result in non-musicians checking it out. I haven't seen a huge return from that, though

>>74247820
This is alright. Not sure if you're doing the girl thing where you're fishing for compliments or what, but if you want to keep things interesting, you can try a different genre, instrument selection, write in a different scale or chord progression, or collab with another musician. Or take a break if you're legitimately burnt out.

Get some feedback for what you've made before, which can help too

any normal people here?

how do you make effects and vocal samples sound glitchy or as if theyre stuttering?

>>74247899
I don't like edm and I couldn't even get this to sound right after fucking with it for a long while. I think I might just be done, I don't see what the point of trying endlessly is.

>>74247967
manually chop them

>>74248007
If it's not enjoyable, don't do it

>>74248134
I enjoy it while I'm actually doing it but the second I'm finished and take in what I made it hits me. I've been trying to do this for a few years and I haven't even made one good thing.

>>74247967
dBlue Glitch VST

>>74248162
That's a pretty typical sentiment I find. Got a link to your stuff?

>>74248183
These are probably the 2 least bad things I have.
https://clyp.it/mi1upz0e
https://clyp.it/4jruaaae

>>74243967
>>74244178

thanks for trying but i'm getting an archive corrupt here anon

>>74248243
These sound like something that Energostatic Records would put out. I don't hear where "bad" comes into here at all. Maybe you should plug some of your work in /bleep/ threads

>>74248243
>>74248370
Me again. I'd pay for an EP of this stuff, honestly. Sleepless was really pulling me in with those synths

>>74248447
I don't know how to properly mix or master my music. I feel embarrassed even putting them in this thread.

>>74248486

are you on your period right now

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>>74248486

>>74248507
I'm not in a great place mentally.

>>74248486
it sounds fine, good stuff

>>74248291
Where exactly?
Is it one of these that I've uploaded pt it's one of those inside them?

What software are you using to extract?
What's the exact message?

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I picked up the bass a few months ago and now I want to get into recording and producing stuff. What mic setup/preamp/software is the best for a beginner?

My friends just use audacity and a mic hooked up directly to thier computers but their stuff sounds good but I know they only do that because its the cheapest set up

>>74247967
Resampling my dude. It's all about resampling


Also, how the fuck do I get on that Arca organic sound shit? I've been messing around with granular synthesis and all sorts of crazy automation, but I just can't work out the methodology behind his composition and production

>randomly clicked on a hammond preset
https://clyp.it/w5b0b5qw

oh shit

I really want to make some stupid blues trance edm thing now

I wonder if that would work

>>74247737
Yeah, I know that, but what I was saying is that certain limiters distort earlier than others (even just software ones can be vastly different), and analog ones are supposedly good at being pushed a bit more without ruining the sound.
In other words, every limiter has a point where it's limiting too much, and many pros say that good analog ones can be pushed more than good digital ones before reaching that point.

Also, Ozone is mostly used by mid-level guys, because virtually all producers who make it big actually send their stuff to specialized mastering engineers who all use analog stuff.

All the top engineers (the famous grammy-winning ones) use mainly hardware stuff.

>>74249026
i got that for 001 and 003

the exact message on winrar was "(file location) archive corrupt"

>>74249054
di to an interface like an id14. di is extremely common for bass and is far better if you don't have an expensive amp. i recommend the id14 over something like a scarlett because those things suck ass for di and tend to clip easily (which is going to frustrate you more as a beginner)

>>74249122
>how the fuck do I get on that Arca organic sound shit

what are you using as a source for granular though? and what are you using? i get sounds in that style pretty easily with absynth 5- arca uses iris 2 though.

>>74249546
>Also, Ozone is mostly used by mid-level guys

mid-level to me means professional in a studio who might have credits on a few big releases and is probably better than either of us...

>All the top engineers (the famous grammy-winning ones) use mainly hardware stuff.

i'm not sure of the truth to that statement, but part of that decision is just because they can, as opposed to the actual result. there's an expectation to use expensive gear ofc, but i'm sure most of them could get at near identical results with software.

>every limiter has a point where it's limiting too much, and many pros say that good analog ones can be pushed more than good digital ones before reaching that point.

i believe it. I guess the question is how high in the ranks you have to go before there's a real difference- i can't help you there man, surely there are threads dedicated to arguing both sides on gearslutz that could help you

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I'm trying to master something myself, any tips and tricks?

https://clyp.it/q3ioxfos
>dnb, remix

>>74249664
I've been looking for a torrent of iris 2 for ages but I can't find a good one. To be fair my granular synthesis methods are very fucking DIY

https://clyp.it/ao3l2ctj

i don't know what to do with this

>>74247648
you need to gate out some of the noise. It doesnt sound retro as much as it just sounds like I'm listening to it with a broken speaker. Overall, its repetitive and monotonous but the main riff is pretty original and interesting.

>>74249299
add, some 4 on the floor drums, and distort the shit out of it. 7/10 pretty cool riff

>>74250019
rap over it ...but the lyrics have to be about fucking something and then add a distorted 808 sub

Anyone know a good site to get symphonia 1 and 2 (and possibly 3)?

>>74250205
symphobia*

>>74250007
>methods
???

argotunlar is good. cop absynth man. there's an academic discount through izotope if you've got 70 whatever bucks

>>74246169
anyone?

i'm stuck as there isn't any guide on how to "complete" anything beside layering different pre made beats and edm stuff on youtube...

>>74250508
add anything, its just a drum beat at this point.
> add an 808 bass
> add some vocals, even a looped vocal stab
> add a pad to give it some space

>>74248508
excuse me, cute anime girl. you have something on your face...c-can i lick it off?

test

Is Reason a bad idea for someone who primarily makes music with real instruments but wants to get into more electronic stuff? the interface is familiar and the rack effects sound good and subtractor is awesome but I notice people who use FL chop and sample seamlessly. I have a old hardware sampler I male simple beats on when I dont wanna compose a full song but wanna still make something. thoughts? using essentials btw because at first I needed reason for recording real instruments and minimal software instruments were required. now im using a bunch of free Vsts and subtractor and scream but something feels like it's missing.

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>>74250606
ok so bass and pad?

thank you

>>74249759
>mid-level to me means professional in a studio who might have credits on a few big releases and is probably better than either of us...
By mid-level I mean that they don't have high budgets to afford the serious analog stuff so they use plugins because they're the next best thing.
Nothing to do with skills.

>part of that decision is just because they can, as opposed to the actual result. there's an expectation to use expensive gear ofc
Surely this plays a good role into why they use expensive gear, but I don't think all those trained professionals spend hundreds of grands just to show off.
I think there must be a significant enough difference to justify all that.

>but i'm sure most of them could get at near identical results with software
Excellent results? Absolutely.
Near identical? Not sure about that.

>i believe it. I guess the question is how high in the ranks you have to go before there's a real difference- i can't help you there man, surely there are threads dedicated to arguing both sides on gearslutz that could help you
I'll look deeper into it, thank you.

>>74250019
There's a ton you could add to this. 808's, percussion, different pads and leads, sidechaining, high hats open/closed. Just keep adding to it.

>>74249299
Sounds like some Touhou/persona melody. I say go off and make a crazy trance beat with those notes.

>>74248486
Yo what the fuck are you on about. This shit is very high quality and pleasant to listen to. The melodies are nice and complicated, the beats are nice and well made, pacing is perfect, and the subtle touches you have throughout the songs are cool. I can understand not being confident in your own music, I usually hate everything I make and I don't get it when others think otherwise. But sometimes you gotta take that praise and really think on it, they mean it.

>>74245506
what did you use to record the guitar? everything but the vocals sound radio quality. It doesn't sound like most bedroom stuff to me. Would like to know your setup.

https://clyp.it/ikmkw2ov
Any tips on making my songs sound more "organic?" I'm thinking it's the fact I only use free VSTs, what would you replace my lead with on this one?

>>74252208
okay i was kind of annoyed at him too but there's no need to suck his dick

>>74252277
use different drums all together... they sound very sampled. the lead sounds like a digital synth so

use something analogue modeled duh. minimogue va is free. so is tyrell n6....

pitch modulation for that BoC organic ofc

>>74252277
Kind of reminds me some of Amon Tobins work like this.
https://youtu.be/jNe1wATKPjQ

I know this is a sampled beat, but notice how there is different velocities that the percussion hit at? If you were to make the ride in your song not all hit at the same volume, snare, kick, etc. It'll bring a more natural sound, like someone is actually playing the drums. I can see a lot of potential in this. I would maybe even speed up the BPM a little bit. I would also compress the instruments so that it's a little louder in the mix. Good job so far.

>>74252362
I'm not sucking his dick, I can just relate to that feeling so much. Just want to remind him to take compliments into consideration because it's hard to when you have depression or anxiety.

>>74249664
>i got that for 001 and 003
>the exact message on winrar was "(file location) archive corrupt"
Sorry about that.
Maybe it's because it's 7zip and it's incompatible with winrar or something.
As soon as I'm on the computer I'll check it.

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https://clyp.it/vxi02w1o
>tfw struggling with the B section

>>74252395
https://clyp.it/53xdmdal
did a quick 2min change, not much of a difference yet, but i think I see what you mean
i actually play drums, rough not being able to record them flat out

>>74252772
>struggling
If this is struggling then I'm in the fucking ICU. Shits gud son

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posted in a thread a few days back but looking for some actual advice

made an album and a couple EP's but i'm pushing to make a harder sound, so kinda going for a blanck mass / health / noisy as fuck kinda sound. just looking for some feedback/criticism/advice

https://clyp.it/4b1t1zag (straight up health/fuck buttons type deal)

and

https://clyp.it/455ervky
rework of the assault on precinct theme by john carpenter in the style of health/nin

>>74252772
>https://clyp.it/vxi02w1o
needs a bassline.

sounds fucking awesome though

I started falling into a music analysis hole and it is affecting me mentally in a bad way when I see complicated chord progressions and a lot of various add 9s/11s/13s other musicians do.

I feel like I'm never gonna make it because I don't usually come up with it, only if I play random notes on purpose, but I don't have enough control over it and a flow of harmony.

>>74251453
>Is Reason a bad idea for someone who primarily makes music with real instruments but wants to get into more electronic stuff? the interface is familiar and the rack effects sound good and subtractor is awesome but I notice people who use FL chop and sample seamlessly. I have a old hardware sampler I male simple beats on when I dont wanna compose a full song but wanna still make something. thoughts? using essentials btw because at first I needed reason for recording real instruments and minimal software instruments were required. now im using a bunch of free Vsts and subtractor and scream but something feels like it's missing.

i love ableton but that's cos its what i'm used to and it's easy to learn

>>74252786
yeah a lot better. I used to play drums too. This sounds a lot more natural and I like how it now is emphasizing the notes too. Keep with that natural velocity and it'll sound good.

I don't know if this is the place to ask but fuck it: what're some good books to learn music theory?
I don't play any instrument but I used to play the trombone and the violin but never actually got good at it, I only played those because I was in the school band/orchestra back then. Our teachers sucked and didn't really teach us about music theory. I'm tired of making shitty beats with the sample and the bass in different keys, I'd like to fix that and keep my tracks in key. Any good books for that?

What is going on, I'm trying to upload a clyp, but it plays it back slower and distorted. Wtf?

>>74252772
Really cool mate I wanna hear more

>>74252859
>>74252956
>>74253627
thanks peeps. Idk if I should just go for the classic lead pitched down type second drop or actually be creative

>>74252931
i like it but it makes me feel like my monitors are about to break so i'm not listening.........


.......... so good job?

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https://clyp.it/pxtqicjv#
sound so fucking flat how can i layer sample and make it interesting

https://clyp.it/1pdoooiw

>>74252965
>>74253251
as somebody who moved to production from guitar these comments make me so fucking grateful that these things come intuitively as a result

a lot of dudes swear by musictheory.net but i've only ever approached theory as variance from a couple scales and intervals

>>74253872
musictheory net is extremely basic, though.

>>74253251
Here: >>74244108

>>74253897
lol i have no idea what's on there

what do you want to learn about? ama

https://clyp.it/ddpk2cfb

working a prodigy omen remix

>>74253375
Do you have your DAW still open when you play it back on Clyp? DAW's audio drivers will sometimes do this.

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what does /mu/ think of my band Say Hello For Pulse Disorder's new song?

>lo-fi
>krautrock
>jamband
>noise-pop

>>74253808
get harmor synth/resampler

>>74254264
Yep, I forgot that if I put a buffer length on a highest value, any sound in my browser gets fucked. Thanks anyway.

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what does /mu/ think of my band Say Hello For Pulse Disorder's new song?
https://clyp.it/oqnfrmmv

>lo-fi
>krautrock
>jamband
>noise-pop

>>74252277
dimenson expanding
set up a delay to the left that gets repeated one time about 15 ms delay and one on the right pan exactly the same with 30 ms delay and let the dry sound run trough. you get that classic alien ship vibe.

>>74254382
not him but got interested on the effect, do you have a link of a sound example

>>74254354
>>74254317
you're a faggot

>>74254382
i was pretty sure that expanders usually split and widen the highs- what you just described is the haas effect

>>74252275
thanks, im flattered
i recorded it with a sm57 mic copy. did the vocals with it too
guitar is a les paul copy plugged onto this "alien mars" tube amp.
the additional guitar at 2:30 and the solo was recorded directly and amplitube'd, as well as the bass
for mixing them i used the reaper builtin plugins, slate digital virtual tape machines and virtual mix rack, and reverbs valhala plate and valhala vintageverb

>>74254558
retard i was fixing the post

I t-totally know what I'm doing and every chord was planned. Y-yeah... I'd like to actually know how to control the progressions like this.

https://clyp.it/rmtaxvwv

>>74254531
the haas effect is something like 1-2 ms apart
i think thats just the standart effect name for synth, so yeah its basicly a bigger haas effect, but it sound diffrent

>>74254558
>retard i was fixing the post

>>74252275
thanks, im flattered
i recorded it with a sm57 mic copy. did the vocals with it too
guitar is a les paul copy plugged onto this "alien mars" tube amp.
the additional guitar at 2:30 and the solo was recorded directly and amplitube'd, as well as the bass
for mixing them i used the reaper builtin plugins, slate digital virtual tape machines and virtual mix rack, and reverbs valhala plate and valhala vintageverb

>>74252275
>>74245506

why do you always do this to your own clyps....

>>74254467
Im in vacation right now without my monitors so I don't really know if this sounds helpful at all https://clyp.it/uajbcqp5

>>74254531
why are you mean u doofus

>>74254646
do what

>>74252275
the exception for the vocals is just for the singing, or the way it's mixed/produced?

>>74254661
because this isn't a place to spam and get attention for your shitty band dipshit

if you want advice on how to make it better or improve some specific aspect do it anonymously. if you lurked for more than 5 minutes or knew anything about this board you would know that

>>74254726
Yeah, I realize what you saying. I look at it now and realize how it looks. Truth is the band doesn't actually exist; their an imaginary japanese group from 1969 I just made up. So at least not shilling. Question is, can you get into this at all? Does the lack of melody make this boring, or can you fall into the array of noise ans enjoy yourself?

What type of processing did the producers behind this pack use to get this really rich, lush, fuzzy warmth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-gySeVNro

>>74254880
an equalizer

>>74254850
the previous misunderstanding and terrible recording aside- no it's bad. Sorry.

The chord progression is fine though. Sounds optimistic. The random noises are okay.

>>74254880
on top of the sounds already being good?

eq and reverb lol. Saturation helps too.

>>74254901
>>74255050
i get the reverg and eq. reverb for environment and movement, and eq to pronounce the most important parts of the sound. but do you hear that sort of fuzz to the whole thing? is it just white noise?

>>74255185
harmonic exciter I guess?

>>74255185
.... wait are you literally just talking about the hat in the whole thing? there's this thing called erosion in ableton that gets that really easily. gated white noise to drum hits is pretty common too.

>>74255210
>>74255351
not just the drums, honestly, I don't know. It's probably just the sounds themselves not the processing.

What are some essential VSTs?
>synths (already have serum)
>compressors
>delays
>reverbs
>limiters
>arps
>samplers
>simple drum synths
i'm going for a calming, ambient and chill sound like CBL and connect.ohm
also I need some learning resources on drum synthesis and manipulation

>>74255505
>massive and fm8
>whatever's in your daw
>whatever's in your daw/valhalla freq echo (free)
>valhalla
>OZONE
>program it yourself/do other daws not come with that wtf
>not sure; i use sampler and kontakt
>use samples instead lmao

if you learn the above i think drum "manipulation" should come naturally to you

>>74255185
>>74255430
saturation?

>>74255505
>>74255698
so guys use a sampling vst for sampling?

>>74255741
???

some people do more complicated shit than dragging premade sounds into their songs

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>>74255772
i thought daws had a builtin sampler function just like fruit loops

>>74255845
simpler and sampler in ableton both have a lot more to them than what's pictured there. What is ping pong loop supposed to be though?

>>74255915
it probably plays it forward and reverses it

>>74252772
how is everyone just overlooking this? Sounds like professional production

sup guys i wanna upgrade my midi keyboard, looking for something with pads too for like ~300, what would you recommend?

>>74252275
>>74254628
i think for you to get a similar tone any decent guitar plugged to your real amp and miked will do. then equalize it trying to match a reference track. in this case i had to do significative boosts on mids and lowmids

>>74256735
unless you mean upgrade from your laptop keyboard or your current keyboard is broken it's probably not going to be much of a step up... you should specify what you're using and what you need

>>74258152
i guess everybody's gone to sleep

GN /PROD/ TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY :D :(

stop posting richards you fuck

>>74258502
Why not it's good

>>74258400
im using arturia minilab. idk it does the job for what i do but i just want to upgrade for some reason since i got cash

holy shit guys i just got an mpc

https://clyp.it/gwhtrsnb

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https://discord.gg/G44TWEu

>>74261262
Since when do I need to register an account to use discord?
Bullshit imo.

>>74261298
you don't (anymore as of 2 seconds ago)

>>74242617
>https://clyp.it/lhb3pmgz

Like the wonky kinda beat, but not overly keen on the bass sound or what it's playing (except the end parts). I'd try something less legato like. Also not a fan of the big cymbal splashes, seemed a bit cliche

Looking for someone who can explain to me the design that sound that replaces the percussion on the 4th beat of the "drop" part of this song https://youtu.be/n9Kp61Ro_uU

At the suggestion of my musician uncle I just bought a copy of Reason Essentials before seeing this thread. Should I get a refund and download one of the free DAWs listed in OP or are there benefits to using Reason over them?

>>74262750
Reason is perfectly fine but you should get a refud anyway because Ableton is better on almost ll sides, and also you can get it for free and spend the money on something else that you can't pirate (such as physical gear or upiratable plugins).

can anyone help me analyse this chord progression I came up with? it's fairly simple but I'm not sure about the second harmony

Cmaj (I)
b flat min (???)
Amaj (VI)
Fmaj (IV)
Gmaj (V)

soo what's the harmonic function of b flat min here? or is it something different? I mean it can be replaced with a d minor chord but I wouldn't know where else to go from here.

https://soundcloud.com/korbisbeats/beat-from-video-dont-hate-cause-its-not-ur-trap-shit-ill-finish-it-after-i-upload-a-vid-tomorrow

Get BTFO'd by a literal kid. Dropping modern dissonant chords and shiet.

I remember my first try at composing. I was around 13 and I used MusicShake. Now I think I was retarded, didn't know about actuals DAWs at that time, though.

>>74249664
>>74252611
Extracted it with 7zip and it works just fine.
I think it's just Winrar that can't read it properly.
CBA to recompress it and reupload it. Sorry.

>>74262895
this is shit tho

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Yesterday there was a discussion on another thread (>>74242235) about using low-volume "subliminal" sounds that can't really be heard but enrich che frequency spectrum.
Kinda like overdubbing but not limited to just playing instrumental tracks over the song.

Later in the thread someone posted a video of Dr Luke showing a Pro Tools project of a Katy Perry song where he used this technique and shows the huge number of tracks he has for all the layering and whatnot.

Here's the video (online you can only see the first 15 minutes but if you download it you'll have the entire thing):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/skdx4nwgq0ebaph/ASCAP%202011%20-%20Dr.%20Luke.mp4?dl=0
Watch from 24:55 to 28:00 for the specific part.

What do you think of this?
Do you do something like this?
How do you do it?

>>74263095
Check out the second song, though. I mean, generally it is shitty, but she is like 12 and has been doing it for a year. Now, from that perspective, I wonder what have I been doing with my life when I was that age.

Is FM8 good?

>>74263191
Yes.

>>74263191
No.

>>74258502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXCBmkLzzh8

>>74255185
It's hiss, probably from a tape emulator like satin. I wouldn't be surprised if the saturation is the asperity turned up on satin

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Made a psychadelic jammy noise-pop track. Does it hold your attention? It lacks focused melody, does this make it uninteresting to you?

https://clyp.it/oqnfrmmv

>>74263583
>Does it hold your attention?
for a while
>It lacks focused melody, does this make it uninteresting to you?
yeah, kinda repetitive too. the same instruments banging on after the intro until the end of the song with little to no change is really bland to be honest

>>74262878
>>74262878
What are you hung up on..?

Bb and Db aren't scale tones. The chords outside of the scale that's it. vii with a diminished root and double flat 3 if you want

Why is Renoise not on Rutracker?

On a scale of 1 to 10, how wrong is this?

https://clyp.it/px10yxqu

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>hit up discogs
>guy has 10+ releases over 4 years
>can't even finish 1 track in that time span

>>74264175
Are you seriously impressed by someone making 10 releases every 4 years?

Don't look up Savant.

>>74264193
10,000+ songs... Nice. How much time does he need to produce one song?

>>74262652
Sounds like a high-pitched growl with bit reduction on it.

>>74264259
There are videos of him producing.
Although I believe he inflated that number a bit, I'm sure it's still in the thousands.

Based on what I've seen I'd say 30 to 60 minutes per song, and possibly more for actual releases where he might need to finetune things and whatnot.

It's said that Skrillex is freakishly fast too, and that he produces tons of unreleased stuff that rarely comes to light, on top of being extremely buisy with running a label, touring nonstop, etc.

>"I have everything sorted in my head by key, tempo etc..."
>"I just need to pull it out of my head because I want to hear it now".

Hello darkness my old friend. Didn't need yet another day filled with depression and self-loathing because of me being unable to stop comparing myself to other people.

>>74264267
Sorry it's downsampling not bit reduction.
My bad.

>>74264077
yeah but I'm sure they serve a prupose and can be analyzed by functional harmony.

>>74264431
is this what producers go through daily? no wonder so many singers kill themslefs

>>74264637
I think it's artists in general.

>>74264652
Don't you think it's inherent for all humans to compare themselves to other humans? It goes hand-in-hand with evolution, in that competition is necessary for man to progress farther than his enemies or fellow man, or showing off to attract a mate.

>>74264483
That's up to context and interpretation. Not every little thing gets defined as a cadence on Wikipedia unless it's been constantly done.

Whatever it sounds like to you is all the function you need to know

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>be me
>be listening to a lot of classical music for inspiration for more sounds i can get
>because i mainly create noise/power electronics, i am not looking for harmony or chord progression, etc
>i am just looking for textures and feels of songs, atmospheres and whatnot

music for this feel?

>>74264668
Sure, but art in particular is pretty brutal because it's so subjective and you feel your talent and skills are completely worthless when the artists you look up to seem to unreachable compared to you.

In other fields it's much easier to get a more or less objective evaluation of your abilities so you know your place and you know what to do to improve.

Also when it comes to art we're so used to hearing excellent work by the top of the top and everything below that we regard as shit, so when you see that your work is worse than that of artists you consider shit, then you feel like you're totally worthless and untalented, which gives you the impression that there is no hope to ever reach a satisfactoy level.
And this doesn't really get better, because as your skills and knowledge improves, your taste gets more refined and you start listening to more and more talented artists, so you get this infinite spiral where you get closer to your idols then you get new farther away ones and once you're closer to them you get new ones, etc.

And unless you're the single top guy in your field, there'll always be someone way better than you at at least something.

>>74264687
you can still create texture with harmony or note clusters that aren't very harmonious
i feel like lots of noise producers forget a lot of the "colour"and "texture" of music is in tone.

>>74264672
i don't think so. I feel like I've heard this in exact this context a number of times now and I want to understand why it works the way it does.
but I guess this board is not the right place to ask these questions ...

>>74254619
What vocoder did you use?

>record something on fl
>I like what I did and want to hear how it went
>It sounds nothing like what I just recorded
what did the fl studio meant by that

>>74264873
I split the bands manually with Ableton Audio Effect Racks on both the carrier and modulator tracks, and applied sidechain compression to each band on one track to follow the volume of the corresponding band of the other track.

>>74264193
Don't look up Viper

>>74264958
I already know him kek.
Rapping over some shitty (premade I assume) beat isn't exactly the same as composing and producing an original song from scratch.

>>74264988
>an original song
>is some garbagio brostep pop
thinkered

>>74262878
there's a technique where some diatonic chords in a certain key are substituted for other chords that serve the same function in a parallel mode, in this case key of c major? to key of c phyrgian (aka Ab major) where the B diminshed is replaced by Bb minor
in any case it sounds pretty interesting

>>74265019
Whether you like his stuff or not is irrelevant (I myself hate it), but it's still much more difficult than what Viper does.

Viper is basically just a hardworking dude who worked a ton.
Savant is a complete machine and can actually produce extremely fast to the point where hard work isn't enough to reach his level.

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so im trying to learn how to make music and i downloaded fl studio as a start and its beyond frustrating. before this i used renoise and it made more sense to me, but because it was only a trial i decided to get the full version of something (which was fl).
does anyone have any other recommendations?

>>74264739
Exactly this. I have this problem with Jacob Collier these days. Guy seems to be so advanced and has almost alien-like skills, that I don't even know if I will ever even be able to get on a level where he is right now. Being his age makes things even worse.

>>74265062
>Savant is a complete machine and can actually produce extremely fast to the point where hard work isn't enough to reach his level.
He is making generic stuff, compared to the Viper he is nothing.
Viper>le another genereric monstercat autist

>>74264856
>I want to understand why it works the way it does.

i already explained what you're doing..? although i had just woken up so it wasn't clear.... I have no idea what kind of answer you think there is, it's just a bunch of labels on altered intervals that don't mean anything. You might as well just relabel the whole thing a minor and call it a minor neapolitan chord ._.

>>74265116
Still, it's much more difficult to make generic monstercat shit (especially at that rate) than to make a Viper track.

Watch these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyXMhf0NbOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PItUDGA9x38

>>74265116
This. None are like Viper.

>>74264687
that sounds pretty retarded desu

>>74264891
means your ears are broken or you did something wrong

>74264873
you just described all of rock, it's not that interesting....

>>74265091
Ableton is easy as fuck

>>74265314
You don't judge Viper song by song. You have to factor in the time he took coming up with his aesthetic and then planning out the course of the entire Viper project (which at this point has grown far beyond just music). He not only has to come up with a beat and lyrics for a track but also he has to think about where exactly the track will place in the sprawling (at this point) universe of tracks and albums he has created. It may not make much sense now but as history and humanity move forward we will start to unfold the enigmatic puzzle of the Viper project. Hopefully this will happen within our lifetimes, but just like things stand with the development of a cure for tinnitus - fat chance.

>>74265107
Yeah, the guy scares me too, but he's one in a billion.
There'll always be extreme outliers like him.
The trick is to accept the fact and to try to be the best you can be as a mortal who doesn't have all he's had (musical family and upbringing, high intellect, perfect pitch, drive, etc).

>>74265483
lol how do people think what he does has anything to do with music

he does party tricks that come from rotelearning, his music is terrible and he has no taste

>>74265836
this, he is shit at a 1000 instruments

>>74265836
>he does party tricks that come from rotelearning
Care to explain this? How did you come up to that conclusion?

But yeah, I'd love to know the exact learning resources he used, because he is mostly self-taught (although being in a home full of musicians makes it a lot easier). He is enrolled in some college now, though, probably Berklee.

>>74265947
>Care to explain this?

He sounds like reddit in musical form because there wasn't anything in his books that told him how to not sound like that

>>74265363
yeah that was my next pick. thanks ill check it out

I have this sample but I don't want the drums how do I get rid of it?
https://clyp.it/3w13tgr1?token=e5c4dd6f67d313bf1b998f7f038a39e7

also, my editor is Audacity

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https://clyp.it/gqwnyd0g

any thoughts?
does the snare sound like paper to you?

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Hey guys. I wrote and recorded a song like 5 years ago in horrible quality and I'm too dumb to figure out all the chords I used. Anyone know some free chord detection software so I can get on with rerecording this thing? I had some on my old laptop, but can't find the software anymore. Thanks

>>74245309

honestly you just have to do it every day, do your scales, google something, buy synthesia if you can, learn some songs

>>74266303
>buy

>>74266059
Too bad, you don't actually have any arguments, then.

Does anyone know where I can get artwork for an album? I highly doubt I could make something decent on my own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTC4dEsxBU

didn't do anything since that one, but something new is on the way

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Anyone know how this guy is getting so much movement out of a wasp?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIvYjqSgS2B/?taken-by=skaeliptom&hl=en

>>74266591
blown speaker maybe? doesnt look like the line out is in use.

>>74266288
if it's horrible quality any software will probably have a hard time with it. do it by ear

>>74266404
guys offer it on reddit all the time. making shit isn't that hard to do tho

>>74266404
I can do that for you. What you want?

>>74266666

what daw

>>74266927
ew

>>74262750
depends on what your background and intentions are. I came from a Hardware only background so reasons interface was very intuitive for me to use. once I wanted to try Vsts I discovered subtractor is awesome and the combinator allows you to patch many things together for unique sounds. despite the limited features in essentials it has Vst support. I got jbridge to patch 32bit vsts into my host and now im pretty cozy. its overlooked by most bedroom producers and I think its because the hardware UI is unfamiliar to most younger musicians.

>>74266931
not him but also want to know this. using windows or i would have switched from ableton to logic.

>>74266944
Yes I'm aware

>>74266931
live

>>74266843
I've gotten like 85% of it, it's just a few spots at the end where I'm a tad iffy about the changes.

Also, editing the lyrics to make it a bit more coherent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48hgcYpuGwQ

This is it, you think it's too low sound quality for a chord identifier? I've used a chord identifier like a year ago on something else I made, that wasn't super high quality.

https://clyp.it/l0ytnzip

what yall think? Is the wall of noise too much?

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>>74266950
>ableton to logic

>>74266967
Just so everyone knows, the "zombie " thing at the end wasn't supposed to happen, My friend missed the word I was saying and so I just went with it. That will be editted to the correct lyric. This was mainly just improv

>>74265091
Just use renoise then, what's the problem?

>>74265091
FL studio is counterintuitive. Don't feel bad.

Stop me from buying a maschine mk2

>>74266931
cubase + live

>>74261624
Aight thx bro

>>74266404
http://imgur.com/a/5Uxms

Here's some covers I've made in the past. I can photoshop you some if you'd like.

>>74267925
for what purpose?

>>74267679
say that to my faec and not online and see what happens

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does this really not have trigger out? that seems like a huge oversight.

>>74269627
i think you can assign triggers to a set of the outs, but maybe not

>browsing through omnisphere 2 presets

holy shit

There are so many presets that you could just slap over a generic chord progression in a single vst and bam, you've got a listenable track

https://clyp.it/fxpreiwm
How much did I do wrong /mu/?

>>74271067
>How much did I do wrong /mu/?
The buildup at 0:48 is weak and lacks any payoff whatsoever, the snare is anything but punchy (the percussion in general is just poor), but 0:19-0:48 is really nice, and the vocals are well done.

>>74269923
maybe the cv in could also send cv out, but it's not apparent from the labeling.

>>74266156
anything?

How do I integrate polyrhythm without it sounding irredeemably shitty?
I just wanna tech house ;_;

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>>74270650
Listenable doesn't mean good, hombre.
Keep in mind that most producers have also probably preset surfed right over those exact presets, and you're going to get called out on it if you don't tweak the everliving shit out of it.

>>74272837
>caring about getting called out on presets when dudes like danny made 4 albums full of them and nobody cares

>>74272837
I don't think you'll get called out if your shit is good, but most of the time, if you know what you're doing, you're probably gonna have to tweak the presets anyways cause they're all right but nowhere near perfect.

>>74264687
Obligatory in case you've never heard it
https://youtu.be/Dp3BlFZWJNA
Look up the score to get a feel for the instrument density

>>74272711
>How do I integrate polyrhythm without it sounding irredeemably shitty?
That's exactly it. You don't integrate polyrhythm: it's much easier if you build your song on it from the ground up. It's not impossible to add something polyrhythmic to an existing song but it's very hard.

ok guys any volume or eq adjustment to be done yet?
https://clyp.it/idef01ot

>>74273421
>>74272711
what is polyrhythm

>>74273421
I'm a dumbass who doesn't know his theory, I meant polymeter. Like, have a hat pattern in 5:4 with the main in 4:4

>>74273616
just count to 5 instead of 4

>>74273481
this is the reference track by the way
https://clyp.it/4htfnsue
listening now it has more high mids than my track, but it was sounding focused before i cut a bit of it

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anyone got a rip of the shitty noise tape yet?

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https://clyp.it/tzjpnywe

can I get any feedback? Take my "vocals" with a grain of salt, as I don't have a solid mic, and just tend to freestyle while high for mic practice, just to get a hang of it.

>>74273644
How do I get a good VHS effect?
I was recording some shit for Snapchat and I caught an argument between my friends. I was converted it to audio to use it as a song opener, but I want to make it sound VHS-y for aesthetic reasons

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I just wanna check one more time. No one can reccomend any software for me that will detect the chords from an audio file?

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this shit happening to anyone else?

>>74273971
There's chordify or something like that, although it fails to work properly more often than not. That's as far as I know, I bet there must be a more reliable software.

>>74273971

never heard of this, if it's a popular song I guess you can find the midi-clip for it

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https://clyp.it/5d41jiph RANK M Y BEAT

>>74273970
distortion and noise i would presume to be the starting points

>>74273481
>>74273703
https://clyp.it/qgnr1aca

>make a volume automation clip in FL Studio
>just want it to increase linearly until it hits a certain volume and stay there

Holy shit is this even possible? Adding a new point just makes everything into a parabola

>>74273725
This would actually be good if you made all the vocals indecipherable gibberish/static

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>>74273971
Stop using an app for this and train your ears, you will become a much better musician

>>74273971
just find the key of a song
the majority of the time a song only uses a single key with maybe some chromatics
from then on its easy af to find the chords
just listen to the harmonic complexity of the chords to determine if it's 7,11 etc.
keep inversions in mind though

>>74275318
>>74275359
>developing your ear and musicianship
This is /prod/ tho xD

>>74274995
The fuck are you talking about?
Is fl that bad?

>>74273971
seriously, fucking give up. the fact that lazy pieces of shit like you are oversaturating the industry makes me want to fucking puke

>>74275432
FL Studio has a lot of bullshit in it that's unintuitive, but just as powerful as any other DAW after you master it. Doing simple things like making automation envelopes can be a chore though

>>74275734
hm, in ableton there's a "show fades" option

also when i was new to it i actually automated faders- there's a "utility" tool that makes more sense to use because it allows you to adjust the fader in addition to whatever automation you have. Idk if there's anything like that in fl that presents a similarly frequent mistake

>>74273971
it's called a spectrum analyzer

>>74272711
The cheap way is to layer clips with different signatures, the real way is to think on 16ths, use triplets , and edit the velocities accordingly, its really all about accenting. Look up paradiddles

>>74275050
thanks dude

So, how many of you are EDM producing untermensch?

>>74275879
>>74275359
>>74275318
>>74274098
>>74274091
Thanks for the advice, I'll figure it out tomorrow. Gonna try and get some good work done.

>>74276996
>EDM producing untermensch

i thought you meant uber and then looked that up xD

it's not just edm, i would throw trap, jungle and vaporwave in there