ITT: post-punk bands better than Joy Division

None

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>>74214130

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Killing Joke were also better than JD though, I agree.

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>>74214130
Nothing is better than Killing Joke

>>74214130
I always thought KJ were goth? What's the difference between goth and post-punk?

>>74214130
Killing Joke us THE best post-punk band, so obvious answer.

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this or pop group are my favorite post punk bands

>>74214554
Very little.

>>74214554
Goth is a sort of style and aesthetic. Musically, I guess goth has more glam influence. But pretty much all the early goth bands were also post-punk. There are lots of goth genres, though - deathrock is punkier goth, darkwave is synth-based and atmospheric, etc.

>>74214558
>us
*is

>>74214554
The differences are basically purely aesthetic. KJ only made Goth music for a short period in the mid 80s though, in the early 80s they sounded more like Joy Division or PiL, in the 90s they started getting into more metal territory while playing around with shoegaze, and ever since 2000 or so they've been balls to the wall industrial metal.

>>74214518
Yeah, but only on that and Flowers of Romance

>>74214130
>No one says The Sound

>>74214130
can someone recc and post essential The Fall albums?

>>74214963
The Sound

Geordie Walker is one of the most underrated guitarists in rock history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42MLoLbnnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQ3srkIVSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFqx8CKRY8

>>74215221
The Fall have never made an outright bad album.
Personal favorites are Perverted By Language, Levitate and The Real New Fall LP.

>>74215221
Grotesque

>>74215343
>>74215344
do you have downloads?

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>>74215343
but the unrealased or uk version of real new fall lp

>tfw /mu/ finally gives kj some respect

is post-hardcore actually post-punk?

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>>74214130
This underrated obscure band

Hey uh where do I start with Dead Kennedys?

>>74215902
PAKI
CHA CHA

>>74215891
Oh my, spotify recommended me this album too. It was nice.

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>>74215221
late fall

from imperial wax solvent (2008)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PIDLtLKLzU

from your future our clutter (2010)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4cvfEk8dOQ

from ersatz gb (2011)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vzXs6jZbbM

from re mit (2013)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eAXzY_JWV0

from sublingual tablet (2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmblOawhoc

from new facts emerge (2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv-Vjaiwe5Y

>>74214130
Joy Division is good, but how about The Cure for one?

Amebix is better and they're crust for some reason

>>74214130
literally /thread

>>74215867
it's true, they're barely ever posted about here

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>>74215867
Agree. One of the truly great bands.

>>74214464
Thank you for this

>>74216461
I love Amebix, but while post-punk is clearly a big part of their sound and they cite Killing Joke, Bauhaus, and Joy Division as influences, there's also major metal (Motörhead) and anarcho (Crass, Discharge) influences there, so they don't really sit comfortably as a post-punk band.

>>74215924
Literally just listen to the Holiday in Cambodia / Police Truck single. By far the two best songs they ever did IMO, and for me the only thing really worthwhile by them.

What's the darkest, most abrasive and depressing stuff in the genre? I am getting in that mood again, and would like some music like that please.

>>74215870
No. It has the same relationship to hardcore that post-punk does to punk, hence the name, but for the most part it manifests in very different ways. There's obviously a lot of variety in these genres, but the typical post-punk sound is sparse, almost mechanical, pretty/stark guitars, prominent bass, and depressive vocals. The typical post-hardcore sound is basically DIY production, melodic yet dynamic guitars, fast drumming, and emotive vocals, though the typical post-hardcore bass is very much post-punk influenced. The post-hardcore bands that sound like post-punk, sound that way because they're very deliberately post-punk influenced (i.e. Jawbox is heavily influenced by Joy Division). The foundational post-punk bands are groups like Joy Division, PiL, The Pop Group, Killing Joke, Siouxsie & The Banshees, and so on, where as the foundational post-hardcore bands are Fugazi, Hüsker Dü, Rites of Spring, Dag Nasty, Big Black, Scratch Acid, and maybe Slint - a very different type of direction. Post-Punk led to things like goth and dream pop, while post-hardcore lends itself more to things like screamo, though both were important to noise rock.

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>>74217299
its all about the fears of nuclear war

>>74217299
The third Wipers album is actually really dark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6B96NyaJ4

Also try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-bu4dHV6k

>>74214130
XTC

No ones mentioned wire

ITT: people appreciating Killing Joke before they became mucore

Remember this thread

>>74215970
What

Strange Times aren't on spotify.

Where are you from, m8?

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If there is anyone who wants to get into post-punk I recommend pic related

>>74214130
You're killing me.

>>74217325
>>74217367
Perhaps something more like, Swans level brutal?

>>74218132
Idk, when I'm not feeling down I like really intense, dark bands like Einstürzende Neubauten. But while bands like that are cathartic, when I'm really down (emotionally "depressed"), I just want to listen to really despairing bands that usually aren't that intense. I think it's because when I'm really down I don't have any patience for pretense. Those are the times I like to listen to bands like Joy Division, Rites of Spring, and R.E.M. - bands I otherwise rarely listen to. They're not particularly dark or intense, but they are very straightforward, honest, and melancholy.

>>74218337
I am the total opposite. Rather than guys who sorta wallow in despair, I want to listen to really hard hitting stuff that my numbing mental state will be forced to feel. That's kind of a big part of why so many people who are depressed often go to punk/metal/industrial/noisy kind of genres. When such things hit people, they sometimes become mentally/emotionally numb to the extent where not even their usual hobbies feel enjoyable. The catharsis of abrasive music is a counter to that.

>>74218457
you might like Ampere. It's kind of like a much more melancholy, less "cool" version of Orchid-style emoviolence

>>74218490
Damn, this is what's up. Much appreciated. Doesn't waste time either.

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The Wolfgang Press

Great overlooked Post Punk from the 4AD label. Started out Gothy and got all funky pop by the end of their career.

Shut That Door
https://youtu.be/prVeP-D90jA

Christianity
https://youtu.be/OTI-7e7oEBM

>>74218049
My father knows the members in Antisect personally.

>>74219253
What were they like? Did he know anyone else from that scene, like Amebix, Flux of Pink Indians, Conflict, Rudimentary Peni, Axegrinder, etc.?
It's an interesting era in music.

Jaz Coleman is literally insane

>>74218457
listen to pillbox by water torture

>>74219316
Yeah, but he's also a literal genius. He's an accomplished classical composer, and he knows all sorts of stuff about history and religion.

He's super into the occult, but like a lot of other people who are into that stuff, he takes something valuable out of it: the whole concept of willing things into existence. In other words, you envision what you want and then put all your energy into going in that direction. I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I can definitely see the merit in that kind of thinking.

>>74219305
I just called him about it. He said that he didn't know Flux of Pink Indians or any of the others. But he said that Pete Lyons was a character when they lived together as room mates. They still talk to eachother as well. But he did say he knew Dirt as well if your familiar with that band.

>>74219571
Cool, thanks for checking! I don't know Dirt, but I'll check them out.

>>74219336
PV that doubles up on basses; pretty nifty. Thanks.
>>74219381
Did he ever do classical stuff that WASN'T just symphonic renditions of dad rock stuff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FyjJbaZLTc

>>74215970

Script of the Bridge is even better

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>>74214130

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>>74214192
nice b8 m8

>>74214856
First Issue is disgustingly good, you take that back

>>74214192
umm excuse me he said post-punk not punk rap

>>74215221
Just start from the top, Live at the Witch Trials is either their best or second best album anyways
>>74215343
>what is YFOC
The Fall has been making incredibly self-derivative music since like, the mid 80s. You're right that it's not "outright bad" but that's not much in the way of praise

>>74215924
just start from the top. Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables is a fantastic album

>>74214130
Pere Ubu and The Pop Group

First PIL album
First Gang of Four album
The Slits
The Pop Group
Wire
The Minutemen
First Violent Femmes album
First two Killing Joke albums

>>74221406
>first two Killing Joke albums
*first six

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>>74214518
>not posting Metal Box but rather the inferior re-formatted version.

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>>74220426
and this one is better than both

>>74215867
I shill KJ on /meal/ every chance I get

NO ONE BELIEVES
IN NINE ELEVEN
STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS
DON'T FALL IN SECONDS

The Pop Group always get brought up in post punk threads but nobody ever mentions that after they broke up mark stewart had an industrial dub project that was just as good if not better than the Pop Group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7IusjiMz8

>>74214130
ok, feel free to start the thread any time

>>74214130
bauhaus
this heat
pere ubu
the birthday party
gang of four
gordons
the gun club
maanam
opéra de nuit
the raincoats
the pop group
the sound
chrome
the ex
the fall
de kift
kampec dolores
minutemen
wire
rema rema
the stick men
wipers

>>74214568
>>74214597
>>74214622
thanks lads