/classical/

how do I into Bach cantatas

>>74197434
lose the "i only listen to full rock albums" mindset and dive in

>>74197474
I mean like which one to start with

>>74197512
BWV 4

>>74197170
>chords played in 8th notes

Man I'm so bad at piano

are there any self taught classical pianists in here? or should i not even bother if i can't get a teacher right now?

i'm decent at theory/hand independence but i haven't learned any classical yet and i've been meaning to

>>74197551
if you're doing it for fun then you can probably skate by with just hanon and practicing progressively harder music, but if you want to do professional stuff you definitely need a teacher

How much carry over in terms of taste have you guys experienced with non-Western classical musics or classical-adjacent styles? I listen to more Hindustani classical music, qawwali, gamelan, and jazz than Western classical but I'm trying to segue into Western classical through the above styles. Any recs to bridge the gap?

Can anyone recommend me an artist or project based on my non classical music I like? I want to expand what I listen to.

>Kanye
>Aesop Rock
>Tyler, the Creator
>Newer Metallica
>Warren Zevon
>Earl Sweatshirt

Yeah yeah I know I listen to mucore and shit, that's why I'm here.

>>74197673
Colin McPhee has stuff that's directly inspired by gamelan music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fck3yS5DAUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3PacNDMneE
You might enjoy Steve Reich, Terry Riley, John Adams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5U9577N-dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRaa34E8tXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7r8XV1bylY
Debussy also was inspired by gamelan at some point and a lot of his music is pentatonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lswHSnJ0Rlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVV0jkZC4jI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMGwPDP-Yk

>>74197833
wait that Voiles link is a computer performance.
here is an actual human
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJx6PbkON8

>>74197722
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPjFjUonX8

>>74197887
Thanks for all the recs! I've listened to Riley and Reich a little bit already, so I'll listen to that first Debussy now and see how it goes.

>>74197887
Thank you kind anon, I shall give Igor a listen.

>>74197722
baroque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdGj2KPHqJY

romantic/classical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tzLguU_2Dg

modern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pSLX-mWQw

>>74197985
Excellent, thank you for your recommendations anon.

>>74197170
Piano is a fake instrument and equal temperament is a lie. The circle of fifths is really a spiral and a piano will never sound right.

>>74197887
I really liked the pagode and la cathédrale engloutie, the voile was difficult for me to hear for most of it since I'm in an airport with shit headphones but I'll check it out again later. Anything like the pagode but in an ensemble?

>>74197512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emm_28jWodo

BWV 110

>>74198316
McPhee's Tabuh-tabuhan which I already linked.
There is the Grainger arrangement of Pagodes which I really like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZ6tpaOSEY

Also listen to this piece by Lili Boulanger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF9SltYJAT8

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>>74197170
*blocks your path*

>>74198501
I liked both of those, but in retrospect the original pagodes grew on me.

>>74199616
>N-NANI?! HE'S FAST!

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>>74199616
>Adagio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v20gxyIRQPU
Can women make good music?

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I want to get into any kind if classical, rec me some good composers from any era you like.

>>74201843
go into a random mega link and download a random piece by a composer you recognize

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>>74201843
Bach. Lassus. Schoenberg. Schnittke

Have some recording recs too

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>>74201843
There are a lot of great composers, but just to get it out of the way, Bach is arguably the best in terms of expanse of music, harmonic complexity (without going crazy), musical complexity, and, even more subjectively, emotional profundity.

Honestly listening to the Art of Fugue as suggested by poly-style is like diving head first into concrete, I would recommend the Magnificat to a beginner. Though if you like the Art of Fugue, it's pretty much the culmination of Bach into a dense work so good for you.

How do I do this:

https://youtu.be/jjlXnuBJGbA

>>74199616
>>74200022
>sforzandos behind you

>>74202203
C L O W N
J
E
S
T

>>74202203
The Brahms E minor cello sonata is not very good

>>74203687
has there ever been a good cello sonata

>>74203959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phygv_Et9sQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGX4NaNS14s

Got to see Tchaikovsky's 5th at the bowl tonight. p incredible

Mozart underraters are the worst

>>74201843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pXr7VKJT2g

>>74204400
everyone and their mothers suck on mozart dick as its t he only composer every normie heard.

>>74204498
>everyone and their mothers suck on mozart dick as its t he only composer every normie heard.
This is what further proof looks like

>>74197833
thanks, highly appreciated

t. gamelanfag

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKhn9aFymQo

>>74197551
"Self taught" is never a good idea for classical music. Get a teacher.

>>74203687
I disagree, as do the people around when it premiered.

>>74202203
honestly good picks aside from the Schoenberg his concerti are far better

but good to see ya kicking poly

>>74204859
I mean, it's catchy, but I get tired of listening to it pretty quickly. Not too much fun to play, either.

>>74204885
Eh the five pieces for orchestra are glorious, some of my favorite Schoenberg pieces. Its all personal preference though.

>>74204971
Not much fun as the pianist? or the cellist?
It is what it is: Some nice melodic writing in the romantic style.

>>74205006
Not sure how fun it is for the pianist, but the cello part feels like a slog. Maybe it's just because of where I'm at as a musician, though. Skilled enough to play the part, not trained in music theory enough to enjoy everything going on in the piece.

>>74202434
My "entry to Bach" recommendation usually are the Brandenburg Concerts.

Happy Bach day, everyone!

>>74205379
>happy death day
americans really do this? seems macabre

>>74205389
1) Not American.
2) Many countries in the world do it. From patriots to saints, their death dates are celebrated.

>>74205459
if they martyr'd. but normal death is nothing to celebrate.

>>74205521
A lot saints and patriots didn't die neither martyr'd nor fighting for the country. The celebration day still is the day they died.

>>74204400
mozart is the skrillex of classical

>>74205862
no, that was gluck and later wagner

ridiculing mozart is like babby's first contrarianism

>>74205891
probably right, im new to this

>>74205891
Ridiculing Gluck and Wagner is babbys second contrarianism

>>74205939
nah, thats near to woke level because ridiculing mahler and schönberg is much easier

>>74205961
>woke
>schönberg
>ö
Don't you have to be 18 to post here?

>>74206326
>muh schibboleths
if we are strict his real name is arnold belmonte like the portuguese sephardim he is.

Rosetti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUbXXWX1J8M

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>Mahler

what the fuck does gergiev think he's doing with his hands? Is there a worse conductor?

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zMv6Y5wvS8

how do i unlock inevitability mode?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuYY1gV8jhU

My piano teacher recommended I learned Satie's Gnossiennes and Gymnopédies and to listen to good performances of them.
What does /classical/ suggests?

>>74206927
Mahler was an important composer, maybe little overrated in those times, but his musical work (he didn't composed only symphonies) is important to understand the evolution of western classical music

>>74207298
Wew, Bernstein is pretty wrong in that video.

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>>74207369
he's also important in the history of cucking

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma Maria Mahler Gropius Werfel

>>74201254
No

please provide sonorists

>>74207447
>implying that women doesn't cuck if they can do it

>>74207396
explain

>>74207657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjct5M8JzL4

>>74206932
>Is there a worse conductor?
he's pretty bad, yeah. the ultimate style-over-substance conductor.

>>74207699
well bernstein used examples from popular works that could be considered unspectacular in some domain, while this guy uses examples from each domain that are spectacular, and which bernstein was of course aware of himself. the clips arent really talking about the same thing. bernstein talked about how "the whole is more than the sum of its parts", and one should stay with the same examples to refute it.

>>74202203
Who is lassus

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>tfw been learning music theory obsessively and doing ear training and music starts to sound weird

wtf is this

>>74202434
How do you define expanse of music? Not sure what you mean by this.

>>74203999
Any recs?

>>74207356
Get a new teacher

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>conductor has no score

>>74208428
One of the greatest late-renaissance composers. Have a listen to his Lagrime di San Pietro

>>74209256
There was a meme prom the other day in which the orchestra played Beethoven 3 entirely from memory and claimed it was going to lead to a fresh and unique performance of the work, had a chuckle

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>>74209256
>conductor plays the solo

>>74209103
why?

>>74202503
I think I can reasonably argue Bach wrote in the greatest variety of style than any other composer. Considering the time period, he took advantage of every musical form except for opera but the Coffee Cantata can make up for that.

>>74210589
Except the French suites don't sound French at all rofl.

>>74210624
I don't think they were really meant to, I mean the title "French Suites" was given posthumously. I think we can agree they're mostly written in the Italian style.

But to keep my point in the air, there are a few pieces from the French suites that are definitely in the French style, like this Courante
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2zTkGWZn5E

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>>74210846
>Italian style
You mean based on what little Italian harpsichord works there were? Sure thing.

>>74211051
Considering the Italian suite material at the time, yeah, why not? Bach spent a lot of time transcribing Vivaldi and shit so I think I can definitely tick the Italian style box.

>>74197170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky_x0SKe868

>>74211202
Well yeah but I didn't hear any Vivaldi in the French suites. I'd think I would've noticed them (and didn't skip the French suites out of boredom) if they were there since I've listened to the entirety of Vivaldi's works for at least 5 times over.

>>74211331
When did I say there was Vivaldi in the French suites?

My entire point is that Bach wrote in the greatest variety of music. The French Suites may not have been very French, but they were written in both French and Italian styles.

I mentioned Vivaldi just point out that Bach was probably well versed in Italian style.

>I've listened to the entirety of Vivaldi's works for at least 5 times over.
Wow, that's like listening to the entire works of Bach once. Well maybe not, considering how much of a simpleton you can be to listen to Vivaldi.

>>74211534
>I mentioned Vivaldi just point out that Bach was probably well versed in Italian style.
Why did you conflate "Vivaldi style" with "Italian style"? One doesn't follow one from the other since there are thousands of other distinct composers such as Veracini, Locatelli etc. with the own styles. Why did you single out Vivaldi? Or is that just where your knowledge of Italian musical styles of the time ends?
>Wow, that's like listening to the entire works of Bach once. Well maybe not, considering how much of a simpleton you can be to listen to Vivaldi.
Pretty uneducated opinions there. I'm now not surprised that you'd think Bach somehow put French or Italian into French suites.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d50wroJBU_8

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Anyone here interested in a productive conversation about the relationship of minimalism and total serialism to the contemporary classical rep?

>>74211593
>Why did you single out Vivaldi?
Uh, because that's what he transcribed? I think of some pieces based on a theme by Albinoni if that makes you happy, but you obviously completely missed my point.

>Pretty uneducated opinions there.
Are you really going to argue that Vivaldi wrote as much as Bach did? Or that his works get anywhere near the level of contrapuntal complexity of Bach's works? The simpleton comment was for the meme, listening to Vivaldi is perfectly respectable. But please. Don't give yourself too much credit.

>I'm now not surprised that you'd think Bach somehow put French
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2zTkGWZn5E
https://youtu.be/Q4t1TVxL9sg?t=186

>or Italian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s36-MP-xog
https://youtu.be/eRpchUM9PTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYyT09g3Yrk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV-s3OqrumM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_xKlkZPMNA

>>74211932
>Are you really going to argue that Vivaldi wrote as much as Bach did?
Why did you assume that that's my position? Why are you so insecure?
>Or that his works get anywhere near the level of contrapuntal complexity of Bach's works?
Why do you assume "contrapuntal complexity" is somehow the be-all and end-all of musicality? Vivaldi excels at what Bach couldn't, namely the ability to juggle melody lines and themes between voices; while Bach excels at what Vivaldi couldn't, namely the ability to balance two melody lines simultaneously.
Vivaldi has also written fugues btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVGYXFGaLqk
>those links
None of them are Vivaldi though, so I don't know why you'd even bring up the fact that he transcribed Vivaldi. The way Bach writes 16th notes in between progressions is more Biber-esque.

>>74212059
>Why did you assume that that's my position? Why are you so insecure?
I'm just responding to this
>Pretty uneducated opinions there.
Which was a response to this
>Wow, that's like listening to the entire works of Bach once.
Do you see the implication?

>Why do you assume "contrapuntal complexity" is somehow the be-all and end-all of musicality?
I don't

>the ability to juggle melody lines and themes between voices
I'm genuinely interested in specific examples

>Vivaldi has also written fugues btw
Come back to me when he writes a Cantata

>None of them are Vivaldi though
I never said they were, and I won't deny there's a certain Germanness or Bachness about them, but you can't deny they were written with Italian style in mind. This isn't just my opinion.

>>74212286
>I'm genuinely interested in specific examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgfJTMCfHQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu_MgE_kTs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLJ2Q95B7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvpMyZzqelM
Here are something else that you should listen to as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwfMSJiSFl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAD6lUivz10
>Come back to me when he writes a Cantata
Here go crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toFRq6J0YLg

>>74212405
Well.

>Here go crazy
you fucked me

>Here are something else that you should listen to as well
That was a real treat. There's something about RV 129 that reminded me of those dark Chorales in the Matthews Passion and fugal passages in the B Minor Mass like Confiteor. All right, I'm hooked.

I see what you mean by how Vivaldi seems to have a firm grasp in juggling melody lines between voices. BUT, I have some examples from Bach I think might change your mind about how it might be his weakness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78KQ3nU3HBM (Specifically at around 0:42 with the interplay between the violin and double recorders)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtessMnKsPc (Again at around 0:42)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vxec3a6rVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIyJ6uJTLig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efd2MrJko-w

Thanks for the good music.

>>74208623
>frogposter

you're clearly retarded, abandon everything now

>>74212405
I also want to add that there's something about Vivaldi's melodic style that seems repetitive and a bit simplistic to me. It's rare when Bach uses the same chord five times in quick succession for example, but it's easy to find thick and melodically dense works by Bach (which is the sound I prefer, I will agree that it is subjective). In those links you posted there were instances of this, but I wish they were held on for longer before turning again to a more homophonic, vertical style.

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Beethoven's 6th symphony is so perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-gLhGxpV8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNQFB0TDfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69UG3K4zyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5USHu6D6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkBhbH0LezM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QB7ugJnHgs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThTU04p3drM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4bOmxKVQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1weml0-r0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByVhN7YGtSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXR0tloMmoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7OM_Q810k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmq1cpcglQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctsWdUaHsHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDW4VJGKLAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8kpZoX32k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY

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WOW

Which conductors would you people recommend for Russian composers such as Mussorgsky and Tchaikovsky?

>>74216743
>Tchaikovsky
Mravinsky
Svetlanov
Cantelli
Stokowski
Mengelberg
etc.

Not too sure about Mussorgsky because I mostly like his non orchestral works. Well, aside from Boris, but that can be a difficult nut to crack... Golovanov has some extremely exciting conducting but it's the inferior Rimsky edition, and a lot of the best singers in general are stuck in the Rimsky edition unfortunately. Gergiev is really the only option on CD (I think?) if you want the original version of that opera, but I can't say I like him as a conductor very much. Jurowski conducted a much more exciting version a year or two back iirc, but the broadcast source I have it dynamically compressed to shit and it pains my ears to listen to it.

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Rubinstein
Let's show them how we men play music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXC6ImtnCpw

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Hnng

>>74197551
Me

Get a teacher asap but dont give up>>74197551

>>74216743
>mussorgsky
golovanov
markevitch
ansermet
fedeoseyev
svetlanov
temirkanov

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Where can I download a HIP of The Creation in german? I can only find modern style performances.
If I can't then whatever I guess, what is your general favorite performance of it?

Stockhausen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9G0asmZ_k

>>74218935
markevitch with the berlin philharmonic is my favorite general performance

my favorite modern sound recording which also happens to be hip is spering with vocal ensemble koln

>>74207650
No, they don't, you pathetic cuck.

>>74218935
I liked Harnoncourt's version. It should be in rutracker.org.

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>>74217961
Same

>tfw bored of music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rLscZEgu5Q
>tf when you will never be this good at an instrument

>>74221224
Performers are like cattle, you should never aspire to be one.

>>74221249
>conflating instrumental mastery with performance

Is Valentina Lisitsa good or is She a meme

>>74222114
If you enjoy her playing she is good to you.

>>74221249
>t. never met a performer

>>74222576
I've enjoyed bad performers in the past but I've come to know better.

>>74202203
>Schoenberg

beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6t8yXPcSQ

>>74201843
i was listening to stuff like this a while ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHRdFILo_Yw
recently i've been listening to stuff like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhIFfh93I8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9TZvCPP7k

>>74222653
>not vivaldi's la follia
c'mon, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8zxoEoA_Q

>>74222653
Molly on the Shore sounds way better arranged for concert band. Also that recording is a sloppy mess.

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Any fucking composer in this thread? I want to give it a shot and at least fuck around with it, but I don't know which program to get. I've heard Sibelius recommended before. Are there any differences between something like Sibelius 7 or 6? Are there any other programs that might be better than I can torrent?

>>74223896
I'm sure everyone itt considers themselves a """"composer""""

Why is the 1959 recording of Dvorak's 9th by Karajan with the Berlin Philharmonic on EMI so difficult to find? It's the top rated recording of From The New World on rym.

>>74207699
Which piece is that at 16:09

>>74224113
Also, apparently it's on columbia records originally, but there's a 1973 reissue which is on EMI.

>>74223896
Write on paper and then input into Logic, Reason whatever.
Sibelius is only good for charts imo

>>74224182
beethoven 7th, 2nd movement I think

So anyone of you does play classical music? Are you studying anything? I'm starting with a Sonatina from Schubert. For Violin and Piano, I mean.

>>74224113
815663 on rutracker
CD58

>>74224359
Thanks man.

Does anyone know how to bypass uploaded's restrictions so I can get all that stuff on pippo9? It's really shitty that they would put that adfly crap on every link and use a shitty upload site that even if you buy a subscription for, you have to pay another 50 dollars for extra megabytes of download. I downloaded 8/10 sets of the dg originals, and when I was finished with that 8/10 it said I needed to pay for extra blocks of data, and I'm just like fuck you. Fortunately you can find the first 2 sets of the collection pretty easily. Unfortunately, a lot of the downloads from pippo9 were broken, and the cue file never made it into the archive, which ends unexpectedly in the extractor.

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This might sound dumb, but is the performance on the CD version of Boulez's Ring the same as that on the DVD version?

>>74225464
Lmao who cares, it's in german, you can't understand it either way. Wagner is boring. Unless it's the orchestral highlights, those are okay.

>>74223896
depends on what you want to make
honestly just get musescore + pen and paper

What music channels on youtube are you guys subscribed to? I really like this one:
Takemitsu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s32po3N4_Y
Murail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_FskdeDJ0
Scelsi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FWPwEoKAtc
Jolivet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykc4LqDb_w0

>>74225464
It is.

>>74225500
Brainlet.

Do you guys know any good Mussorgsky recordings? Could be of any work of his.

>>74226357
imho
>Boris Godunov
best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqARDiNf8Jw

best original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ_7PY7lQ78

best Rimsky-Korsakov version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrUCbKP8_UQ

personal favourite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e94FU9diZs

>songs and dances of death/other songs
I don't know any particular recording, but I always enjoyed Leiferkus' interpretations
example (Trepak) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftU6ddiR-vk

>Khovanchina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AKlK5vCnYs is a good one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OtAK9Bm8FQ is more modern, but I personally don't like Gergiev that much

I also have a brilliant classics recording at home with Margaritov conducting the Sofia National Opera Orchestra and Petkov, Kostov, Ghiuslev and Milcheva singing from 1978, that I very much enjoy

I'd really recommend the Brilliant Classics edition of Mussorgsky, expecially if you don't want to spend that much money and give Mussorgsky a first look

>>74227118
Thank you so much anon!

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY4y1f2CKQY

>>74223896
>I want to compose!
>hurr what software do I get
Literally the cancer killing music

>>74221224
i keked when he got to the actual arpeggios.
terrible.

>>74197538
and then 106

How do you choose which recording of a work to listen to? Go for a well known conductor, orchestra, label? rym?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8vR6VP-3o_SpdnEBrpYGiQ
this guy makes great videos of both recording music on his clavichord and discussing them as well. He does live shows often as well, maybe we should give him some attention next time. He does deserve to get more known desu senpai

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>>74229277
hit or miss really. After a while you'll know the names for a specific genre or time period. I sometimes listen to all available versions of a piece to find my favourite interpretation. This works especially well with renaissance or baroque music because you can take something like a dance or a lute song and just listen to every single recording on youtube and spotify. You'll very quickly know the good names because there aren't that many specific instrumentalists, especially for lute music for example.

>>74229446
would you give me some names of performers to start out my search on the lute, please?

>>74225500
>it's in german, you can't understand it either way

>>74229752
Toyohiko Satoh
Nigel North
Hopkinson Smith
Paul O'Dette
David van Ooijen
Michiel Niessen
Jonas Nordberg
Jacob Lindberg

>>74229205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcXQcsAOx0I
don't hurt the poor bassist's feelings

>>74229758
that should be a banner

Ravel invented anime music

>>74231031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAerHOMBcB0
i believe it

>>74231061
Good one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_JF6BDP4u0

>>74231127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4jTZFgkGaE

>>74231151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-QmwrhO3ec

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Does anyone actually like any of Schnittkes more Kitsch stuff?

>>74202203
>Schoenberg
Kill yourself.

>>74231275
probably poly

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>>74231312
>triggered someone likes great music you don't even wish to try and understand beyond "muh degeneracy"

How about you kill yourself instead /pol/?

>>74232195
muh /pol/ boogeyman

>>74232195
So leftists are even bigger racists than /pol/?

>>74232195
>someone doesn't like Schoenberg
>MUST be a /pol/tard
honestly dude just take a deep breath

Schoenberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOGQPowX86s

It's Schönberg you fucking idiots

>>74232548
I'm not that much of a Schönberg fan, but I somehow always liked his string quartets and pierrot lunaire

Her German is really awful though

>>74231312
Further proof that Schoenberg is underrated.

>>74231312
>can't into 20th century
>Obviously hasn't heard of Schnittke otherwise would be complaining about him instead
Kill yourself.

>>74232620
He changed it. He wanted the oe instead of the german umlaut.

no fucking way
literally, no fucking way
it should not take you OVER A FUCKING YEAR to learn a 5 minute piece. No fucking way. it is no way near the difficulty of a Liszt or late Beethoven work.


There is no reason why it should take him over a year to learn it unless he had no prior teaching/knowledge of the keyboard and playing.


if Calcium was trained in performance of the keyboard, he would have finished contrapunctus XI in a fucking month. there is no reason why it should be taking him 12x that.


it's fucking insulting that he's like "OH, ITS TAKING ME SO LONG, IM HAVING FEELS, OH MAN THOSE RESOLUTIONS, OH MAN THOSE UNRESOLVED PASSAGES, OH MAN THAT ONE PART WHEN ITS LIKE TOTALLY EMOTIONAL"


fuck him. if he was competent on the keyboard (i.e. piano for you fucking plebs) he would have learned the work in a fucking month. there is no excuse for spending over a year on it. i can only imagine the level of disgust a piano instructor would would express if hearing about this. it makes me fucking shudder.

>>74233456
this is a blast from the past

Hey guys, so I wanna get into Bach Cantatas as well like the first poster. I found the Complete Bach Collegium Japan one on rutracker, but I heard the best is apparently the Bach Cantata Pilgrimage one which I can't find anywhere. Is there a place that has the complete Bach Cantata Pilgrimage stuff?

>>74234383
rutracker
"best" is very subjective though, and considering how many cantatas there are, no set will be perfect

>>74234383
The Suzuki cycle will be fine for you.
The Harnoncourt one is also on rutracker and is very good.
There does look to be a torrent available for the Gardiner if you just search "Bach cantata pilgrimage torrent" if you really want Gardiner though

>>74234383
My only problem with the Gardiner set is that the sound quality can sound veeeery artifical at points. This is a problem with Gardiner's newer recordings in general
Suzuki sounds amazing though

>>74234566
There is also the Richter cycle which uses modern instruments and is a more "romantic" (at least in light of what HIP turned out to be) interpretation, but that's not to everyone's tastes

>>74234518
>>74234566
>>74234609
Aight I guess I'll go Suzuki. It seems to be larger, too than the Gardiner Pilgrimage maybe there's more in there or something. Thanks.

also, what was the logic in having lots of "ethnics" as the covers for the Gardiner cantata releases?
>Each release features portrait by photographer Steve McCurry, a celebrated photographic correspondent who is most known for the "Afghan girl" photo which appeared on the cover of National Geographic.
>"McCurry's pictures are immensely striking: they seemed to provide a potent imagery
which perfectly complements that of the music."
???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plMp8_TvjsI

>>74234758
Who knows? Classical covers are honestly almost universally shit outside of the 50s-60s. Probably some marketing wacko thought it would be more grabbing to put ethnic children on the cover instead of a portrait of Bach or something

Favourite pianists? I've developed a recent love for Maurizio Pollini's interpretations of Schoenberg, Chopin and Beethoven.

How does /classical/ sort their music?
I'm currently doing it by piece and not by album, but honestly it's getting kinda annoying scrolling through 20 smaller pieces from the same album.

>>74236220
too many. here are some:

sviatoslav richter
josef hofmann
solomon cutner
clifford curzon
sergio fiorentino

>>74202434
If I really liked The Art of Fugue, where is a good place to go next?

>>74236552
WTC, any organ piece

>>74236726
Thank you

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>>74234758

>>74234758
>>74235471
>>74236921
>>>/pol/

>>74236944
Nothing I said in my post is even remotetly related to the typical kind of /pol/ shitposting, though

>>74236962

go back to your containment board you fat racist fuck

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>>74236997

bump bump bump buuuuuuuuuuuuuump

I played this with my instructor a decade ago and forgot how nice it was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCm5lJpPZJ4

>>74238671
That's nice, anon.

[false harmonics behind u]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pSLX-mWQw

but really these Kocian guys are real gud

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opkOOZqkFMA

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>tfw unironically enjoying Einaudi

I want this feel to stop

>>74197170
i'm a dum dum poo poo pants when it comes to classical. but here's one of my favs. how'd i do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUMta2bymMY&ab_channel=EvaYoungPianist

>>74242125
Scarlatti is cool

>>74242125
At least it wasn't the cat fugue :^)

>>74236220
Gilels

>>74236220

Wilhelm Backhaus

>>74242377
He is fantastic with the Amadeus Quartet for Schubert's Piano Quintet.

Besides Grainger, Holst, and Vaughn Williams, who else wrote arrangements of folk songs that I can pretend that I live an idyllic life as a sailor in a quaint port town somewhere in the UK to?

any good books about history of classical music?

>>74240865
try applying a 9mm bullet to your temple with a gun, let me know if this helps

>>74243187
if you want a book that double functions as a doorstop, check out "the history of western art music" by burkholder/grout/palisca

>>74243231
I can't find it on the Internet, and buying it is out of question since I don't live in the USA, what about Taruskin's books from The Oxford History of Western Music series?

>>74206932
>>74207748
you say that but he's fairly popular with the musicians iirc

>>74221224
impressive but sounds horrible

>>74223896
musescore and a piano

if you actually finish anything, then get sibelius etc. for better formatting

>>74242660
butterworth, delius, janacek off the top of my head

>>74243280
I don't know much about Taruskin but I've heard him namedropped several times in a non-joking, non-slanderous way so he's probably respectable.

Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY4b-B5vnF8

>>74231312
One of the greatest composers.

>>74232195
>the mischling wearing the SA cap
Yikes...

>>74236944
>>>Fagddit

>>74243187
baroque era
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_musical_tour_through_the_land_of_the_past

rolland was a libshit but a lot of useful info can still be salvaged from this shabbos goy

Which composer would maid the best drinking buddy

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>>74244331

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYFaGmjm_Ks
>>74244331
The monk who wrote Bache, Bene Venies

Where do i start with Lili Boulanger?

>>74246274
Stop spamming that bitch

>>74246488
I'm just curious about her work... ;_;

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This new recording of Vivaldi's Four Seasons is the best I've heard. It just sounds so fresh and inspired.

People keep saying that there's good modern classical composers. Name some. There hasn't been any good classical compositions since the beginning of the 20th century, where classical music peaked. Ever since there's only been minimalist and atonal garbage.

>>74246861
A teacher of mine met Sibelius in the 50s. Does that count as modern through connection?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c

Macmillan's European Requiem is premiering at the Proms tonight, should be gud.

>>74246861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVnpktJtOms

>>74246595
>Four Seasons

>>74246965
? Yes the Four Seasons by Antonio Vivaldi. Are you familiar?

>>74246905
Looking forward to it being "interpreted" by lefties as some anti-Brexit work when really it's about European culture being destroyed.

>>74246861
well most of the good contemporary composers are minimalists or "atonal"

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>>74246595
Pleb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6mDL-VwYw
what's the best recording of Capriccio Espagnol?

Anyone here own classical on vinyl? I'm looking to get a collection started.

>>74246274
Faust et Helene, Psalms

>>74248362
that 1

Does anyone know how to bypass uploaded's restrictions so I can get all that stuff on pippo9? It's really shitty that they would put that adfly crap on every link and use a shitty upload site that even if you buy a subscription for, you have to pay another 50 dollars for extra megabytes of download. I downloaded 8/10 sets of the dg originals, and when I was finished with that 8/10 it said I needed to pay for extra blocks of data, and I'm just like fuck you. Fortunately you can find the first 2 sets of the collection pretty easily. Unfortunately, a lot of the downloads from pippo9 were broken, and the cue file never made it into the archive, which ends unexpectedly in the extractor.

>>74246274
Just listen to all of it chronologically she didn't write much.

>>74246987
Never heard of it.

>>74246861
Arvo Pärt

How's Kurtag? Any good?

>>74249051
Nothing is good.

Does anyone know any good lists filled with really good, more obscure recordings of your standard composers, or lists of really good obscure works by obscure composers, and just really great recordings in general? I've been going on soulseek and just downloading whatever classical artists I don't know the names of.

>>74249139
did you already finish the list of wiping your own ass?

what the best Sviatoslav Richter recordings?

>>74249232
I don't think that is a list, Anon.

>>74249319
depends on weight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZETc2uprBY
Finally somebody worse than Gergiev?

>>74249232
The list of wiping my own ass?

>>74249139
how obscure is gretchaninov?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T9mYnfZTjU

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>>74249316
late richter playing bach

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg9Uv0wUZdM

>>74249316
The Leipzig recital is in one of the folders in OP

>>74249659
This is great

>this Beethoven 9 at the proms
some questionable conducting choices going on here

>LIVE Masterclass of J.S.Bach WTC I n°4+5, BWV 849 + 850 on clavichord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_InfFvEXZaw
get cozy, sum esoteric stuff going on

>>74250289
sucks he gets so little views.

>>74250289
the hell's a masterclass and why do people keep using that word nowadays

>>74250076
>trusting english to be in charge of music
You brought this on yourself

Is there a reason why Vladimir Horowitz is never mentioned here?

>>74248089
You could try giving it a listen before just name dropping your favorite recording.

>>74251192
I dunno. I like his 1932 recording of Liszt's sonata.

>>74249474
the horns have had a mare there

>>74250653
it was some chinese woman conducting it and a Welsh orchestra.
Absolutely shocking soloists

>>74250653
the proms is the best classical musical festival you plen

>>74251192
because nobody here really cares to discuss about the works in his repertoire

>>74251844
That much is obvious, but why?

>>74240865
He's an insanely uninteresting one trick pony, don't worry; the feel will fade quickly.

>>74251642
It's the biggest and whilst it is probably still the best by virtue of the variety of stuff and quality of musicians it can attract, it does sometimes feel like there are too many of the warhorses rolled out year-after-year. And whilst they do have chamber proms these days, there are far fewer chamber pieces performed so that side of the repertoire is neglected.
Plus all the stupid "crossover" things they do these days to try to attract a "new audience". Other BBC organised music festivals for popular musicdon't set aside several slots so the crowds can hear a symphony, so why take away slots from a Classical Music festival to play pop music or easy-listening Jazz? V. annoying.

>tfw the complete rubinstein recordings from demonoid are taking forever to download and there's this fucking 1-10 kbps download speed coming from whoever I'm downloading from.
fuck

>>74251977
there looks to be at least two torrents to Rubinstein's complete recordings on rutracker

>>74251885
aversion to romantic piano

>>74252020
Well, no. I know there's the one recording, which is the 80 albums, which is horribly tagged and in shitty bitrates. There's another one which is over 100 albums, that's the one I am trying to download from demonoid.

>>74249316
leipzig recital
sofia recital
any recordings of his prokofiev
moscow bach well tempered book 1 recital
1965 new york liszt sonata
1965 ravel miroirs
any of his 1950s schubert, schumann, liszt

>>74251967
>Plus all the stupid "crossover" things they do these days to try to attract a "new audience"

I agree, but The John Wilson Orchestra is really fucking good

I've met John as well and he's a top lad

>>74252030
That's stupid. Just to think someone could be averted to a whole era of classical music, and specifically the romantic era, is so stupid. The romantic era, to me, is probably tied for the best era next to early 20th century modern classical (before it shat the bed and went completely atonal).

>>74252274
different strokes mate

>>74252331
That couldn't be the reason Horowitz isn't discussed in general though. That sounds like the opinion of maybe one or two people who frequent this thread. I just don't understand it because Horowitz seems like a great pianist, with a pretty broad repertoire, also pretty famous and well recognized. I found his complete original jacket collection, and I've been enjoying it. I also enjoy my glenn gould original jacket collection, but they're both good. Just my opinion.

>>74252385
only a few pianists get discussed in the first place, and not for the repertoire that horowitz is famous for and best at. maybe you're new here but there are posters here who constantly shit on chopin and liszt and rachmaninov.

>>74252766
I'm at a loss for words.

Damn, even as an old fart Horszowski still had it together.

I was able to get the entire classical collection of a user named LITBE on soulseek, over the course of several months. It's probably the best thing in my entire music collection. Over 70 artists, a large portion of whom are complete works, all in flac, all perfectly tagged and all with album covers.

>>74252260
I wasn't complaining about John Wilson, I'm a big fan too. It's the ones that are literally pop artists performing with the only difference being that they have a live orchestra instead of backing tracks like they usually would. I think the main "offender" this season is Tom Jones getting his own one.

>WHY AREN'T YOU DISCUSSING HOROWITZ RIGHT NOW YOU'RE STUPID
If reading /classical/'s opinion on Horowitz is that important to you, here you go:
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/search/text/horowitz/

>>74253214
I'm more at a loss for words that people would shit on rachmaninoff and chopin, just for the record, if you're reacting to that statement.

>>74253310
>not memeing on Rach
It's basically only a hand full of plebs who shit on Chopin though.

>>74253310
Rachmaninov's Prelude in C-Sharp minor: there are passages familiar from pieces for children and from school concerts which are marked 'grandioso'. Tiny hands execute the gesture of strength. Children imitate grown-ups, perhaps even the virtuosi who have been swotting up their Liszt. It sounds tremendously difficult and at all events very loud. But it is comfortingly easy to play: the child knows that the colossal effect cannot misfire and that he is assured in advance of a triumph that has been achieved without effort. The Prelude preserves this triumph for infantile adults. It owes its popularity to listeners who identify with the performer. They know they could do it just as well. As they marvel at the power which forces the four-stave systems into a fourfold fortissimo, they marvel at themselves. In their mind's eye they can see their lion's paws growing. Psychoanalysts have discovered the Nero complex. This Prelude gratifies this from the outset. It allows the megalomaniac free play, without pinning him down to anything definite. No one can blame the thundering chords for turning the dilettante who churns them out so immaculately into a conqueror of the world. Risk and security are fused in one of the boldest instances of musical daydreaming ever created. The excitement rises to fever-pitch if, as a bonus, the piece is played in a three-quarters darkened hall. The sombre mood of destruction which the Slav idiom of the piece simultaneously threatens and glorifies, arouses in ever listener the certainty that in the foreboding gloom he too could easily smash the piano to pieces. He is assisted in this not just by the conjunction of the heavy artillery and easy playability, but by the design of the entire colossal bagatelle. Almost all tonal music, especially that of the post-Classical era, provides the contemporary amateur with the opportunity to make his own gesture of power in the final cadence. It is an affirmation as such, whatever has gone before

>>74253341
Hence the ritardando. Its function is to underline and its strength enables the performer to measure his own by restraining himself and reining in his own impetuosity. Even if this gestural meaning of the final cadence may only date from the Romantic movement, it can be said that in the course of its post-Romantic debasement Rachmaninov emptied it of all content, freed it of every genuine musical event and threw it on to the market as a commodity.

The Prelude is just one long final cadence; it could be described as a single, long, insatiable, repetitive ritardando. It parodies the passacaglia progression by taking three cadence-forming bass notes which can conclude the theme of a passacaglia, and presents them, as it were, as a passacaglia theme. Repetition insists on the point with ruthless self-advertisement. The phrases are so short-winded that even the most insensitive ear can scarcely go wrong. Moreover, the motif-forming melodic counter-voice merely paraphrases the cadence. All the music does say is: so be it. The fact we don't know what it is to be is what constitutes the essence of its Russian mysticism. In the middle it breaks into a run with a cheap series of triplets and creates the illusion of fluent virtuosity. But in vain. It is only the motivic counter-voice. Fate remains fate and insists that things are so and not otherwise. And when at the end it explodes with all the primal force of conventionality, it can be assured of the gratitude of all those who have always known this and could see it coming.

Also, I like how people always assume that I'm new to 4chan, when I say things like I'm at a loss for words, when someone says that rachmaninoff or chopin are shit. I also feel pretty annoyed and grossed out when I see people frequently voicing fascist, bigoted opinions. I especially don't like the latter. But that doesn't mean that I'm new to 4chan, it just means that I have emotions and react to things like any other person. It's just so funny to see the way people react to the things I say on 4chan, after using this website for, oh, maybe 7 years now.

I'm relatively new to classical music though. I always wanted to get into classical music, but I really only dived in a couple years ago. For the past year and a half or two, the main thing I've been listening to is classical music. Unrelated to what I was originally talking about, but classical music is difficult to get into. There's so many different recordings, and so many compositions by various composers. It really took just downloading a ton of stuff and listening to it all to gain any sort of understanding of classical music in general. That's just what I'm like as a person in general though; when there's something that I find interesting, I tend to want to know everything about that particular thing, and absorb all the knowledge that I can about it. At least, that's how I am with music. I wish that I was that way with something useful, like learning about history, which, unless it's something I find particularly interesting (perhaps music history), I usually find boring.

>>74253310
shitting on rachmaninoff is nothing new, his music was incredibly backward looking when it was composed and a lot of his works are overplayed

can we rename /classical/ to /orchestral/ so we can discuss all periods?

>>74253779
/mu/new

>>74253765
are you being wilfully dense

>>74253341
The fact that so many pianists still name Rachmaninoff as the greatest or most significant or most influential piano writer of all time really shows how far piano music is from becoming a serious art.

>>74253797
No, I'm simply saying the thread is inaccurately named. What's dense about that?

>>74253850
thanks for answering my question

>>74253765
All the orchestral works from the pre-common practice periods.

>>74253850
>wanting to close off discussion of vocal music, chamber music, sonata, art song, and piano repertoire so you can appease your autism over Classical vs classical semantics that no one has the time to care about

>>74253876
It might seem like a futile point, but the fact that what I'm saying is correct would detract from my statement being "dense" though wouldn't it? lol

>>74253723
Yes, rachmaninoff's music was definitely comparatively less forward looking than his contemporaries (although it was spectacular in it's own right, and perhaps contains some of the best concertos ever written). But I think that there should have also been a little break pumping in that era of classical music. In a time when so many people were trying to break the mold of their predecessors, and do something groundbreaking and original, it sounds almost as though they couldn't help but do so in the spirit of the romantics, whether they want to or not.

The early 20th century composers were, in my opinion, the last of the great classical composers. In spite of what many people in this thread seem to think, they carried the romantic spirit with them into the new age, whether they wanted to or not. The grandiose, beautiful works that these artists created, still inspired awe in a way that echos a Beethoven or Brahms symphony, but in that way which is totally abstract and mold breaking, like Stravinsky and Bartok. After that, I think that classical music lost that romantic flair, and it became a sort of academic study, with people like Xenakis and people like him.

Classical music now is a shadow of it's former self, with all of the great classical composers having their works performed by big orchestras, and the modern composers making lazy "minimalist" works, and boring post rock shit, and video game and movie soundtracks. I think it's because they lost the spirit of the romantics that this happened.

>>74253895
You've missed my point. I'm wanting to open discussions to all periods of orchestral history and NOT limit it to Classical, that's my whole point. The thread should be renamed /orchestral/ becaue we're discussing all periods. Using the term "Modern Classical" (see OP post) makes no sense in Orchestral discussion because Classical and Modern are 2 seperate periods lol

>>74253983
>orchestral history
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Reminder that Classical is a period and lower-case classical is a general umbrella term for the European art music tradition.

>>74253983
muh symphonies

>>74253983
classical is an umbrella term for all periods.
are you serious? did i get baited?