ITT: Albums that created a genre.

>>74159932
What genre did this create? I mean, I love it but Lizzy Mercier Descloux and Gang of Four were already doing the funky post-punk thing before this dropped. Fela Kuti was also making similar (though not post-punk) material.

>>74159932
>>74159974
literally what genre did either of these create

>>74159969
Husker Du - In A Free Land

Although that was just a 7"

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>>74159932
Prog rock

>>74159988
Remain In Light created Afrobeat
Yeezus created Industrial Hip Hop

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The best and first truly experimental hip hop album

>>74159979
fear of music too

>>74159996
I was talking more Emocore/Emo

>>74160025
this album is so far ahead of it's time that it still doesn't make sense

>>74160042
Me too. I'm listening to it now and the similarity is pretty significant.

>>74160018
What about the Doof Groups?

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Heavy and Doom Metal (also I'd say stoner metal because of NIB)

>>74160018
>Remain In Light created Afrobeat
KEK

>>74159987
Art Rap right?

>>74160064
meme genre

>>74159932
>white appropriation the album
>created a genre

>>74160081
>caring about appropriation
don't listen to music

>>74160056
Well Emo stated as Post-Hardcore driven more by personal ~emotions~ rather than political statuses, RoS are definitely Post-Hardcore, but the lyrics are what made a big impact.

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Speed Metal

>>74160009
Welcome to Hell did it first lol

>>74160018
Dälek

>>74160081
this btw

>>74159969
what's the "emo" appeal of this album? is it in the lyrics?

>>74159979
New Wave

>>74160018
>who are dalek

>>74160018
Lmao no they didn't create anything new. Instead incorporated from other genres into their shit.

>>74160112
Well technically its just the title track.

1. In A Free Land - Emo
2. What Do I Want - Screamo
3. MIC - Hardcore Punk

>>74160064
>>74160072
>>74160121
>>74160132
>falling for obvious bait
man this board really confuses me sometimes

>>74159932
new wave and post-punk was already a thing. i mean yeah it advanced and innovated those genres but didn't create them

>>74160064
>>74160072
>>74160121
>>74160132
>>74160141
t. brainlets

>>74159988
African music

>>74160081
rock music in general is appropriation. the vast majority of it can be traced back to the blues and jazz which were started by blacks. what's your point?

>>74160068
First accurate post.

>>74160202
My point is that album shouldn't be acclaimed retard.

>>74160205
Um no, I'm correct about Husker Du

>>74159932
>>74159974
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>>74160025
no

>>74159969
>>74159987
>>74159999
>>74160009
>>74160068
>>74160121
Yes

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>>74160018
>this is the people you share the board with

>>74159999
Good pick

The Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight (neo-psychedelia)
Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden (post-rock)
Wire - Pink Flag (post-punk)
Faith No More - Angel Dust (nu-metal)
The Mothers of Invention - Uncle Meat (avant-prog)
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy (shoegaze)
The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat (noise rock)

These are all debatable, just throwing them out there for consideration

>>74160246
How in the holy fucking hell is Pink Flag post punk? It's a definitive punk album.

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>>74160224
>>74160081

>>74160121
>what's the "emo" appeal of this album? is it in the lyrics?

Lyrics, relatively more melodic/melancholic guitar arrangements, more dramatic, "despairing" vocal delivery. Emo is short for emotional hardcore. After having listened to Brand New/American Football etc, it might be hard to see how it would be labeled as such. But, if you try to look at it in context (hardcore in the mid 80s), it makes sense.

Please don't respond to @74160238.
He's trolling.

>>74160246
angel dust is not nu-metal

>>74160283
And they could be classified as sub genres like emocore and post-emo

>>74160295
Yeah most of that post is quite triggering

>>74160294
Now why would you think that anon?

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>>74160246
Pic related is the first noise rock album, sorry

also, this
>>74160270

>>74160318
Sorry, I wasn't trying to bait, I was just throwing stuff down off the top of my head

>>74160295
It's not directly nu-metal, but the combination of aggressive alt-metal, pop and hip hop influence, and vaguely sarcastic lyrics about disdain for society was a massive influence on nu-metal
Hell, Disturbed even covered Midlife Crisis
Again, I might be wrong tho

>>74160343
Good point on Red Crayola, forgot about them
And good points on Wire along with >>74160270, there's probably a much better example there
I was just thinking some of the more angular riffs + loftier artistic ambitions may have influenced post-punk

>>74160246
post-rock and avant-prog are barely genres. Art Zoyd's later records for instance sound nothing like Uncle Meat. And Slint or Swans sound nothing like Talk Talk.
Maybe not explicitly post punk, but the influence Iggy Pop's The Idiot (which came out earlier the same year) cannot be understated.

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first goth

Siouxsie and the Banshees were more of an influential band to the genre, than a 'gothic' band per se to me

>>74160348
Wait, what is a single solitary second of hip-hop on Angel Dust?

>>74160018
>Remain In Light created Afrobeat
>everyone overlooking this

lmao

>>74160422
I thought Bauhaus did that. And technically there was somebody before them too but I forget who and it was just a 7" or sometbing.

>>74160427
The sampling on Midlife Crisis and A Small Victory

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Symphonic rock

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First hardcore

>>74160457
In the Flat Field was released in 1980, and yeah, there was gothic rock before UP but we're talking about albums here

>>74160523
I'm not sure that's even the first hardcore LP but Middle Class - Out of Vogue 7" was the first hardcore release.

>>74160422
Bela Lugosi's dead

What about Kind of Blue and modal jazz?

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No Wave, Synth punk

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Progressive rock

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Parody Rock

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Dubstep

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still remains an undefined genre
known as experimental hip hop with hints of lofi and punk

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>>74160545
Black Flag - Nervous Breakdown (October 1978)
The Middle Class - Out of Vogue (January 1979)

I think GI is the first hardcore LP. Pic related would've been the first if released though. It was recorded even before Black Flag, damn

>>74160587
how is this no wave

>>74160614
Freak Out! friend

>>74159999
>>74160000

nobody even checking the double quads

>>74160640
Yeah same with Bad Brains - Black Dots but I can't find that it was released even as a demo until 15 years later.

>>74160614
The Fugs

inb4 some fuckhead posts loveless

>>74160640
Punk influenced, synth filled, abrasive, experimental underground New York music

it was very influential to the scene

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shoegaze / dream pop

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first death metal

>>74160697
>"it was very influential to the scene"
yes
>was it part of the scene?
no

>>74160617
low effort

>>74160702
wrong.

https://youtu.be/RX-dnSgkQMs

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Magma's first album began the Zeuhl genre. They invented a new genre pretty amazing imo.

>>74160748
Wasn't Mantas first?

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>>74159932
I know eccojams came first but the more you listen to vaporwave you learn most of it sounds a lot more like this than eccojams. wish I had the original art on my disc too

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>>74159932
watered-down white people funk was already a thing at least like 15 years before this came out

maybe they started watered-down white people "world music", i'll give you that

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first math rock
fite me irl

>>74160793
yeah but they didn't record any LP so Seven Churches is the first Death Metal album

>>74160343
not noise rock. There are noise songs and there are rock songs, but no actual songs that involve both rock and noise. WLWH was the first noise rock album

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Sludge Metal

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I am begging for the fucking version of a song. It's the man who sold the world, but its only piano and vocals and I have googled my ass off. Someone please help me.

>>74160823
I wish I cold find the origin of that image

>>74160702
shoegaze existed before loveless

if anything psychocandy birthed shoegaze

>>74160840
Tempted to say that King Crimson's Starless and Bible Black could be considered one of the major foundations. In the more prog heavy side of the genre at least, not the bands that just play really complex punk.
>>74160860
My War

>>74160780
>>74160899
>i dislike it because its has a meme status
Stop kidding yourself

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Proto-punk (and subsequently punk) was spawned from this and Kick Out The Jams.

>>74160865
Someone please!

https://youtu.be/axGsg3fPm84

>>74160920
are you retarded?

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>>74160865
Have you even listened to The Witch from pic related?

Also, Los Saicos etc

>>74160936
It's disingenuous to claim that any one album created punk.
TVU and a bunch of other garage rock bands had already set many guidelines before Iggy & The Stooges did

>>74160127
wrong, New Wave has existed since 77

>>74160018
obvious b8

thread based on unsound premise

>>74160993
On second thought, you're right. The Stooges did advance their sound greatly though.

>>74160990
Ah yes, I should've posted this instead of The Stooges.

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>>74160702
might as well be this

>>74160920
loveless is my de facto favorite album
but it didn't create shoegaze, retard

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Meme music

>>74160993
>>74161042
See
>>74160969

July 1972

It wasn't released until about a decade later but I'm convinced they played it this way live. Death was too much of a coincidence.

>>74160009
LAY DOWN YOUR SOUL TO THE GODS ROCK AND ROLL

>>74160702
i think cocteau twins did that bud

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Pop punk

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step aside losers

>>74160865
Found it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0Cw2riUSA

>>74160283
is Damaged emo then?

>>74160000
Checked

>>74160121
>>74160132
Dalek and Meme Grips may have been earlier, but Yeezus was the first refined and serious industrial hip hop album

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What genre do you shoehorn this one into?

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>>74161245

>>74161196
Nah. Maybe you could make the argument based on the lyrical content of side two, but the lyrics on side one are pretty much all socially/politically charged. And the guitar work/vocal delivery is textbook hardcore throughout.

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Post Ambient

>>74161256
Glitch Pop?

>>74160422
Amon Duul II - phallus dei was avant-goth in 68

>>74160993
los saicos

>>74161089
fuck off with ITAOTS. They didn't do shit that had not already been done. I love the album too but its nothing ground breaking

>>74161653

thank god that fad died off.

>>74160009
How did this album create black metal beyond using the name "black metal"? It's thrash/speed metal.

Burzum and Darkthrone created the black metal sound.

>>74161675
can you fucking read?

>>74160242
kill yourself

>>74160068
>What is Corporal Clegg?
>What is I Want You (She's So Heavy)?
>>74160702
>>74160822
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>>74160931
lmao

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>it's a "somebody posts an album they feel started a particular genre and people try to contradict them by posting the album's influences" thread

tip: every album can be traced back to an earlier influence. contradicting the idea that the ramones made some of the first genuine "punk rock" as we know it today by claiming that iggy pop or TVU did it first is retarded and defeats the entire point of this read

>>74161922
See
>>74160969

>>74161808
No I have revitaligo

>>74161945
Go back to /pol/, Ruckus.

>>74161939
lmao i hadn't even read those posts before posting that. i knew somebody would do some shit like that

it's ridiculous. might as well trace it all back to negro spirituals which created blues which lead to punk and leave it at that

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>>74159932
New wave? That's not Blondie.

>>74161974
There is no "influence." That song and specifically that recording is the literal blueprint for punk.

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Nu-metal

>>74161999
>literal blueprint for punk.

exactly. that's why it's protopunk, and not punk. the same way that blues was the "literal blueprint" for jazz

i explained why everyone is misinterpreting this thread

>>74161640
my nigga, was going to post it but saw your post

>>74162068
In musical terms "proto" always refers to "immediately previous" i.e. almost there but not quite. That song is 100% punk. However I didn't realize the Ramones were so slow by comparison. So either the first true 100% punk song was in fact proto-hardcore or there are other previous 100% true punk songs. Or somebody's lying/wrong about the recording date. After all it wasnt released until many years later.

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Heavy metal pretty much as we know it today, specifically stoner/doom metal all started with the eponymous track.

>>74160422
Goth rock was in fact coined to describe the music of the Doors.

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>>74159932
This b8 is so stinking of shit that it actually got me to reply. Well done OP

>>74159999
Checked. Also, Freak Out! is earlier and in almost the same format as Absolutely Free.

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>>74160202
Chuck Berry didn't appropriate shit

>>74160422
Desert Shore from Nico
>>74161615
Yeah no, it's basically just German psychedelic rock. You can call it krautrock or prog if you wish, but I can't let you get away with avant-goth

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>>74160823
This is probably the real birth of vaporwave. 2009 (Before Eccojams), Hype Williams - Find Out What Happens When People Stop Being Polite, and Start Getting' Real

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>>74162014
I would say this instead.

>>74160081

Shouldn't you be writing a thinkpiece for Pitchfork?

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Jazz Fusion

This has to be the worst thread in like 6 months on here

>>74161981
I wanna fuck the singer

DJ Screw invented vaporwave though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-2pQ3O1kM

>>74162053
Correctamundo.

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Proggy rocky

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>>74164574
Cool jazz

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hypnagogic pop, chillwave, witch house, vaporwave, glitch hop

see also geogaddi

>>74160627
I'm going to call it hobo-hop and hope the moniker sticks.

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Grindcore and Powerviolence

>>74165150
https://youtu.be/yEJEGNGDPCU

And their official album came out the next year same as the Siege demo

>>74165260
Interesting

>>74165310
Powerviolence icons Spazz covered them which introduced me.

Have you heard this? Apparently first for the metal crossover.
>>74160783

>>74161788
>Burzum
Are you serious?
Mayhem did, that's not up to debate.

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>orgone induced space psychedelica jazz rock

>>74161755
Did it really?

>>74165329
Created what? Sunshine pop?

>>74165348
Yes I know of Sepultura very well, but I don't think they were even crossover, although they were very influential to death and black metal with their debut album

>>74165488
That song Antichrist is apparently the very first grindcore metal song.

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someone make a chart with the first album of every genre

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dadrock

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postrock?

>>74160068
undeniable post

>>74165673
spirit of eden created post-rock

>>74165585
pretty.

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melodic death metal

>>74165585
actually not a bad idea

>>74160617
brostep*

>>74161755
lol no

>>74166035
Plenty of melodeath albums were already out before '93

>>74160000
who cares

>>74160025
hell yeah

>>74159974
>>74159987
XD

>>74161256
glitch pop, like velocity design comfort and a lot of albums that don't matter

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>>74165688
I just listened to pointed album (not 1st time)
Still doesn't enjoy it.

the fact is Talk talk doesn't sound post rock to me at all. the Pink Floyd were already making atrocious long album in the same era.

Adding odd time signature and dissonant chords, playing with noise, digging dynamics (without being a ambassador for digital music...) was brought IMHO by a few bands, and Spiderland seems to me the best standard bearer of this movement.

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This is the first Album, with a mixture of metal and j-pop.

>>74166280
>Long album
It's not very long though

Weirdest description of Post Rock - not really what it's about. It's more deconstructing the elements of Rock music. Spirit of Eden is just flat out beautiful and along with Laughing Stock probably some of the most emotionally provocative and honest sounding music I've ever heard

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Basically the start of modern "alternative"

>>74166487
lol no
post punk is the prototype of "alt/indie".

>>74166439
it felt 2h long on that listen
agree that I have very personnal definition of "post rock". I see it as a break up with progressive rock. What's the point on staying 5 min on a FM radio chord if there's not a dropout at the end.
doesn't seem to me that talk talk bring some new shit to the table.
listening to Laughing stock again

>>74165433
hip hop beats

>>74165406
that description sounds so good im gonna listen to this album

>>74166487
underwater moonlight, the days of wine and roses, violent femmes and murmur came first

>>74164747
thats not prog

>>74159969
Faith - Subject to Change came first

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>>74166035
I think there were some melodic death metal albums before Heartwork. But Carcass have always been pioneers.

Reek of Putrefaction for goregrind.

>>74165366
Lolicore? or?

>>74162064
Nerd rap?

>>74167643
Noice

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>>74167856
Not sure if this counts for technical death metal, considering Unquestionable Presence was released before. But most of its songs were on a demo released before anything by Atheist.

>>74166110
rym is out of touch with club culture
it's like they tried making crescendocore an "official" tag (someone did, it got shut down immediately)

>>74160127
>what is Devo or the B-52s

>>74167815
what else?

>>74160936
Raw Power was the first true punk record, it had all the raw energy of Funhouse, the harsh sounds of S/T, but in much shorter song lengths, which would be what punk was known for. Anyone who debates this just doesn't know anything about punk.

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This I think

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>>74161788
>>74165373
Both of you are incorrect. Bathory created the Black Metal sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQW7dHASkr4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szzqXXQKJvs

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>>74166149
>>74161653

>>74168279
did they really invented cringe?

>>74168311
huhaaaaa

Created and logically concluded.

>>74168311
This album created true music

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Britpop

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what did these album invent?

>>74168429
The Kinks invented Britpop

>>74160676
>>74160702
lol

>>74168433
>dislikes the only good indie album on the list

it's no wonder you indieshits are dying out

>>74161615
please explain this further

>>74168433
stop spamming this everywhere

>>74163847
nu metal is not rap metal

>>74168264
fucking this

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death metal

>>74168433
a decline in white people's taste

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created the genre of ripping off mac demarco

>>74165070
>I'm going to call it hobo-hop and hope the moniker sticks.

I can get behind this.

>>74159932
Just wanted to suggest that fans of Talking Heads immediately check out Robin Sharrocks' 5.1 channel downmixes of the classic T.H. albums.

He links to (free) flac versions here:
http://www.sharoma.com/eclectic_ril.htm#acquire

And you can sample lower-bitrate version here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHVBaF0HopQ

Trust me when I say they sound fucking incredible but see for yourself above.

>>74163479
LOVE Chuck Berry. Love him.

But on his death I got educated about his biggest song by Mark Steyn..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WSAqn1138o

>>74161381
that is a stupid genre name

>>74169235
wrong

>>74167013
Its fucking awesome. One of the greatest live albums of all time.

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Dream Pop started here

>>74162014
>he doesn't know who Ghoulspoon is

>>74168311
If cLOUDDEAD didn't exist, this would have created Cloud Rap.

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>>74160702
I'd have gone with this, you're still technically right though.

>>74168231
The shortest song on there is 3 minutes which is by no means even average for a punk song. Not to mention it's obviously garage rock not punk.

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Invented bossanova

>>74161833
no u

>>74159932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRy9zMGq1Rw

>>74159974

This was Ye catching up tho

>>74169712
that guy is insistent that it's punk when every single other person on the planet agrees it's garage rock/proto-punk and distinctly different from punk

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literally created jazz fusion

>>74165026
Wrong.

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This was probably a huge influence on vaporwave too.

>>74169043
It really isnt

>>74162053
what genre exactly?

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>>74166487
Actually...

>>74160081
>>74160202
I believe this meme less and less as time goes on.

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>>74160081
You need to go back

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>>74161653
>>74168288
what?

>>74168433
>Kid A rated 10/10
>GKMC and TPAB score less than 3

Let me tell you how I know youre a white indiefag

>>74172442
i haven't listened to radiohead but kendrick deserves a 3

>>74171224
Indie rock

>>74162053
>>74171224
>>74173062
>biggest music star on planet
>major label
>indie

>>74159974
lol

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basically invented rock

>>74160081
Literally kill you are self,

>>74173393
It inspired many indie rock artists though.

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horrorcore

Why is everyone in this thread so plebeian? holy shit

>>74159932
Kill yourself.

>>74159974
Kill yourself.

>>74160068
>>74162225
Wrong.
Clear Light did it first with Street Singer.

>>74160343
Wrong.
The Ethix (and even Frank Zappa or The Monks) did it first.

>>74160587
Wrong.
No Wave was first done by Plastic Ono Band.
Synth Punk was first done by Samuel Hobo.

>>74159999
>>74160589
>>74160822
Wrong.
Hansson & Karlsson did it first.

>>74160840
Wrong.
Mad River did it first (in 1968)

>>74164747
Wrong. You could have said Space Rock though.

>>74164888
>>74165673
>>74165688
Wrong.
Glenn Branca did it first.

>>74165026
Fuck off.

>>74165366
Wrong.
Not even the first goreshit album

>>74166075
Wrong?
Pere Ubu did it first?

>>74166149
Wrong.
Yasuaki Shimizu did it first.

>>74166487
Fuck off.

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you can't refute this.

>>74166149
>>74161653
dj screw did it first
>>74168288
the ambient music he's aping did it first

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Country Rock

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Post Punk

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I have no idea

Post Folk? Its something for sure

>>74175540
Wrong
Pere Ubu did it first and that album isn't even Post Punk

>>74175553
Wrong
IDM wasn't a thing yet, that's just regular Ambient Techno

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>>74175583
>2017
>tripfag

>>74175629
but desu
>2017
>4chan

>>74160009
>>74168264
Wrong.
Cromagnon did it first.

>>74160246
>Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden (post-rock)
>Wire - Pink Flag (post-punk)
>The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat (noise rock)
All wrong.

>>74168096
>it's like they tried making crescendocore an "official" tag
Godbless

>>74160789
One of the few correct answers ITT. Congrats.

>>74160936
Wrong
The Sonics did it first.

>>74161653
Wrong.
Yasuaki Shimizu did it first.

>>74175629
>any year
>ignorant anon gets corrected by an experienced tripfriend
No surprises here.

>>74175690
in this moment you feel euphoric?

>>74160587
i know suicide's been around since 1971 but that album was released in 1979 and no wave has been around since 74

>>74175736
Yes

>>74175763
>and no wave has been around since 1970
Fixed :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCb0TsSIqI0

>>74175106
>Pere Ubu did it first?

Kill yourself.

>>74175859
I'm not wrong though.

>>74175763
It was released in 1977 for the record and synthpunk is the genre it invented (though it was also an early sort of industrial, but many groups at that time were "inventing" industrial that was nothing like the others and Suicide's was not nearly as influential and important as Throbbing Gristle's)...No Wave is not a genre and DEFINITELY NOT an album-oriented genre so albums have very little relevance to discussion about it

>>74160246
>Faith No More - Angel Dust (nu-metal)
nah, Godflesh

>>74175106
See, you're obviously trolling but the Clear Light mention is actually completely true which is then making me confused since some of your others are blatantly false

>>74175912
>It was released in 1977 for the record and synthpunk>>74175811
is the genre it invented
But that's wrong. Synth Punk was invented by Samuel Hobo in 1972.

>No Wave is not a genre
But it is. It was a scene and a genre.
Also, see

>>74175971
I'm not trolling in the slightest. 100% truth. Which ones do you think are false?

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>>74175583
>Television's innovative post-punk instrumentation on Marquee Moon strongly influenced the indie rock and new wave movements of the 1980s, as well as rock guitarists such as John Frusciante, Will Sergeant, and The Edge.
>Genre: Post-punk, rock, art punk
>Released: February 8, 1977

>>74175979
Well, it's your holier-than-thou attitude that just makes some of your absurd assertions all the more frustrating because by mixing in a good rec or two, I have to assume you're not actually retarded

Like that Zappa album was fully recorded the year before the band you claim even formed, I haven't listened to Mad River in a while but "math rock" is definitely not the word that comes to mind and Glenn Branca is only post-rock if post-rock means instrumental music with crescendos but at that point you may as well go much earlier

And what the fucking shit are you even attempting to imply No Wave is? Just avant-garde music? Because that's much older than 1970.

The thing that's impressive about Clear Light is if you listen to Street Singer or Mr. Blue, it sounds more like doom metal than 90% of Black Sabbath and it's just out of nowhere on an otherwise mediocre album, it's not like it sounds vaguely like an influence, it just is the genre...if you have to squint really hard to defend your claim, you shouldn't try to pretend your posts have value

>>74175690
>Cromagnon did it first.
Cromagnon was more industrial than black metal. Plus they didn't have any of the lyrical themes of black metal(Satan, sacrifices,etc.)

>>74176162
Pere Ubu's first post-punk release was in 1975 wasn't it? Or was it '76?

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The twee pop sound crystallized a couple years later with The Field Mice but this is the first album I heard that put it all together.

You can trace they fey sound of twee pop all the way back to the 60s, though.

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Sludge Pop

>>74176232
The Modern Dance (1978)

>>74175690
Cromagnon wasn't black metal, dude.

You seem to keep confusing music influences with albums that incorporate different sounds into a new genre.

>>74175106
maybe cause the first fucking goreshit album didnt invent lolicore?

>>74176162
They are not Post Punk. They have nothing to do with any other Post Punk bands. Besies, New Wave, Post Punk and arguably Indie Rock were all a thing before Marquee Moon was released.

>>74176207
>Like that Zappa album was fully recorded the year before the band you claim even formed
huh? can you back up this claim?

>I haven't listened to Mad River in a while but "math rock" is definitely not the word that comes to mind
Listen to Merciful Monks by them then.

>Glenn Branca is only post-rock if post-rock means instrumental music with crescendos but at that point you may as well go much earlier
Correct. Post Rock goes further back than Glenn Branca, arguably with Frank Zappa's Freak Out's D Side, but the point is that neither Talk Talk nor Slint were the first Post Rock band by any definition.

>And what the fucking shit are you even attempting to imply No Wave is? Just avant-garde music? Because that's much older than 1970.
No... Listen to No Wave, then listen to Why by Plastic Ono Band, and you will see why No Wave started in 1970 (at least).

>The thing that's impressive about Clear Light is if you listen to Street Singer or Mr. Blue, it sounds more like doom metal than 90% of Black Sabbath
Absolutely.

>it's just out of nowhere on an otherwise mediocre album
Yeah, what's up with that?

>it's not like it sounds vaguely like an influence, it just is the genre...if you have to squint really hard to defend your claim, you shouldn't try to pretend your posts have value
Huh?

>>74176215
Sure, but they still did it first. Also, it's the musical style what matters, lyrics not so much.

>>74176232
1975. A single though, not an album, but still.

>>74176299
Caledonia was.

>You seem to keep confusing music influences with albums that incorporate different sounds into a new genre.
Not at all.

>>74176307
>maybe cause the first fucking goreshit album didnt invent lolicore?
Alright then, listen to Judy by Loliripe then. Predates Tomboyish by 2 years.

>>74176333
>Also, it's the musical style what matters, lyrics not so much.
not when it comes to early black metal, the only thing that defined it were the lyrics

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Baggy.

>>74176379
>the only thing that defined black metal were the lyrics
puke.jpg.jpg

>>74160112
Have you actually never listened to Zen Arcade or Eight Miles High? It's emo as fuck. The lyrics are fucking emotional as fuck.

>>74175511
What the fuck is "country rock", how is a song like Big River from the 50's not more rock and country than anything Gram Parsons was involved in?

>>74168252
Epic Doom

>>74176604
Not that guy, but wasn't Graham Parsons one of the originators of the SoCal sound? Obviously followed by The Eagles and Jackson Browne. I don't really think it's a genre, more of a style.

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>>74175175
Alcest did it first

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>>74176333
I disagree

>>74176514
yeah black metal is fucking awful and that's just one of the ways

>>74176333
Sorry for the slow reply, I was in the middle of a good album but I've relistened to the specific songs you cited

I'm not sure what you mean about backing up the Zappa claim, you can look up the dates, the Zappa album that person posted was recorded in 1966 and released in 1967, your band formed in 1967. And a lot of people would cite Freak Out! as progressive rock and that was recorded and released in 1966 so that's even earlier.

I'm not a big math rock fan, so I can't say much on that but the Mad River example was a bit better than I remembered, but I still wouldn't associate it with what I think of as math rock. It just sounds like a very 60's psych-prog tune.

Post-rock is a stupid genre umbrella anyway so I think we can go without worrying too much about what was the first, I just never understood the meme that Glenn Branca started it.

I inherently oppose No Wave being seen as a genre since there's little similarity between everyone but yes, Why is very easily confused for a DNA track, but not No Wave. James White, The Lounge Lizards, Sonic Youth, Rhys Chatham, Lydia Lunch, Suicide, Liquid Liquid, there's not enough of an overall similarity to imply it's a single genre.

I'm sorry, I inherently hate trips so I may have gotten angry but I should have rephrased and said, if you want to show people up, providing links or specific examples when you make bold claims is necessarily if you expect to be taken seriously. What you're doing is basically saying, oh The Beatles invented free improvisation on Carnival of Light and expecting people to just believe you.

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>>74176333
Cromagnon isn't black metal at all you moronic tripcunt. If you clean the shit out of your ears, you'll hear that the vocal technique is not a shriek, but one voice whispering and another yelling.

The OBJECTIVE first black metal album is Under the Sign of the Black Mark by Bathory. It has every calling card and defining trait of the genre, and influenced virtually every band in the style that followed. UtSotBM is the turning point where BM becomes its own thing distinct from thrash, speed, and death metal.

>>74176720
>A challenger approaches

>>74174754
Geto Boys, Gravediggaz were just way better.

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Metalcore

>>74174754
Esham

>>74176720
Fag

>>74176765
Fair enough regarding Frank Zappa. I wouldn't call Absolutely Free prog rock though, but whatever.

>I'm not a big math rock fan, so I can't say much on that but the Mad River example was a bit better than I remembered, but I still wouldn't associate it with what I think of as math rock.
It's about as mathy as Massacre, so...

>Post-rock is a stupid genre umbrella anyway so I think we can go without worrying too much about what was the first, I just never understood the meme that Glenn Branca started it.
Post Rock as defined by most people is inconsistent. To my understanding, there are two or three ways to define it in a way that it doesn't suck, but you have to deal with the consequences (such as Henry Cow being Post Rock, or Tortoise not being Post Rock, or Talk Talk not being Post Rock, as an example for each case).

>I inherently oppose No Wave being seen as a genre since there's little similarity between everyone but yes, Why is very easily confused for a DNA track, but not No Wave
I was thinking more of James White with Why, but whatever.

>I'm sorry, I inherently hate trips so I may have gotten angry
Tripfriends are your friends. They keep /mu/'s quality up.

>I should have rephrased and said, if you want to show people up, providing links or specific examples when you make bold claims is necessarily if you expect to be taken seriously.
I did specify specific examples in all cases (except the obvious ones where I told them to fuck off), but you should understand that I don't have the time to explain every single choice (just like the people I was replying to).

>What you're doing is basically saying, oh The Beatles invented free improvisation on Carnival of Light and expecting people to just believe you.
Yeah, well, they are doing the same.
Also, The Beatles were not even the firsts at that.

>>74176856
Other than the vocals, it's still black metal in style, so yeah, get fucked you dumb cunt.