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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYCdqMt_N1g

probably not what you're looking for but on this track the bass is in single time (?), the horns are in double time, and then the drums are in triple time.

It's all played together though

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>>74157752
Nice. Reminds me of Lonely Woman and Wailing Wail. Got any more like that where the drummer's just burning behind some laidback horns?

>>74157752
>single time (?)
in jazz, it's called double time and in orchestral music it's half time
just fyi

>>74157959
No, because double-time and half-time are both relative to what I'm talking about- I'd call it either normal time or single time.

Half-time would be half as fast as the "normal time" and double-time is twice as fast.

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>>74158016
Have you ever played in either jazz group or an orchestra? They're just terms used in their respective settings. Yes, their denotations contradict, but their connotations are the same.

>>74158016
"Single time" is never used in either setting.

>>74158016
Oh shit, I realize I goofed there. I had to re-read that to see what you mean about "single time". My bad. Still, I haven't ever heard that term or seen it written before.

>>74158356
>>74158378
Well then how would you explain the three time feels going on in this track? How would you describe what feel the bass is in?
>>74157752

>>74158016
Still though, "double time" in jazz means the same thing as "half time" in an orchestra.

>>74158418
Right because there's almost never a need to use it. It's not really very often that you have two tempi going on at the same time. Usually the whole ensemble shifts as one to double or half time and if they shift back, it's usually just referred to as a tempo. Hence why I put a question mark after the term- I'm not sure what the correct terminology would be.

>>74158016
The bass is playing in "common time".

>>74158468
Cut time maybe? I've never heard of half time being anything other than half as fast, but being a pianist, I've never played with an orchestra and so I'm much more familiar with jazz terminology.

>>74158506
Common time is a time signature not a rhythmic description

>>74158506
Nah common time just means 4/4. Which the bass IS playing in, but I mean how would you describe it as relative to what time the rest of the ensemble is playing in.

>>74158433
>>74158468
>>74158498
>>74158506
>>74158544
You can just say playing in time. There is no exact term for what you're looking for. No musician would expect one. Just say one instrument is playing in time normally while the other is playing double time

In the song discussed, the bass and horns are playing at tempo together, the drums are double time

>>74158629
>the bass and horns are playing at tempo together
I disagree, if you listen to what the horns are playing you'd typically expect the bass to be walking twice as fast as it is

>>74158677
The bass is laying down quarter notes and the horns never go more than 16th notes, mainly eight notes and triplets except for the occasional run (and the solo around 3:00, but that's the sax matching the drums and being showy). They're playing at tempo together

>>74158544
Cut time and common time are just for notation and don't affect the tempo. Half time is slower and double time is faster than the established tempo.

>>74158829
>Cut time and common time are just for notation
AKA time signatures. "Cut time" is mainly for old marches (means 2/2). Common time is an old timey way of saying 4/4
>Half time is slower and double time is faster than the established tempo
Correct

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>>74158827
From the liner notes

>>74158978
This is interesting because I wonder which downbeats each musician was really "feeling". Reminds me of this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3kqBX1j7f8

>>74158978
He's obviously more talented than me so I'll take his word for it, but the bass is supposed to cement the groove so when people listen they assume the bass's tempo is the actual tempo of the song. Having the rhythm section both playing above tempo and then having the horns play what they want just makes the song sound fast, not necessarily rhythmically layered -- the 1-2-3 thing doesn't translate. I genuinely don't think the song comes across the way they wanted it to. Also considering how fast the drums are, I would be shocked if they could even play it live

>>74159130
I agree with you actually. But I would bet that they played it "live" in the studio. It might have taken a couple takes but they didn't really overdub shit back then, especially on jazz records.

neu! makes me wanna pick up drums

>>74157752
i expected to hate this
but i didnt.

id actually call the bass doing 8th.
the horns are a s slower feel above it, really a half-ish time swing.
the drums i would properly call CUT TIME against the bass, hotly fucking swung.

adds up to what this bozo said >>74157752
and god i hate to admit it
but im using accurate language that musicians can understand.

>>74159130
>>74159186
you guys dont listen to enough jazz
those cats are rockets.

>>74157680
you could probably consider some zach hill phrasing as doubling and then doubling again when hes like rolling 64ths.
there must be some slayer esque tunes that do that as well

>>74160550
yeah like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDWLp1yIWw

tots not as cool as >>74157752

>>74160464
actually, bozo is wrong: horns are half, drums double.

drum bump
drump
drumpf

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