Who is the actual best female artist ever and why?

>>74130218
That's you, retard

how do you think she smells

i bet she smells good

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She's had a long eclectic career with a solid discography and a fantastic voice.

>>74131574
Probably like any other girls plus a faint scent of cream cheese Doritos. I say this in a good way, I love Doritos.

>>74130200
et phone home

>>74131593
BIG

>>74130200
None of Grimeth's albums are here
>>>74127053

None.

How come?

Probably Laurie Anderson or Joan Baez or Björk or Kate Bush or Alice Coltrane or Gal Costa or Aretha Franklin or Diamanda Galás or Emmylou Harris or PJ Harvey or Lauryn Hill or Jarboe or Joni Mitchell Meredith Monk or Joanna Newsom or Nico or Nina Simone or Patti Smith

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>>74130200
>>74131593
>>74131709
w r o n g

>>74131666
She's too patrician for NATIONAL Public Radio.

>>74131593
Björk all the way. But I like Kate Bush a little more. Both are great anyways.

>>74131758
Hey her music is pretty good desu, realistic depiction of the brain of a vapid whore, that new track with asap rocky and carti is good as fuck

Why do we keep having this thread? Why do you separate female artists from the rest of music like it should be separate?
>inb4 /pol/-tier bitching about being a cultural Marxist or whatever
I'm not saying gender isn't fluid or some other bullshit. This just isn't bathrooms or healthcare where the difference between the genders matters. You don't need to separate males and females in music.

>>74131758
how can anyone like this wasp-y bitch
she literally paid her way to stardom.
faux-talent

>>74132606
It's just a shit excuse for waifu threads, any threads about female artists are stupid because it's a stupid division to make to music.

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>>74133389
>excuse for waifu threads
Shhhhhhhhhhh. :^)

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Largely ignored by /mu/, but it's true.

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>>74133248
Fucking idiot. Literally the only true pop artist thats been around for decades. KYS irl faggot.

>>74130218
Not even grimesfag but nice middle school tier diss faggot

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Shes the best for me.

>>74133657
>I'm not even a grimesfag, I swear bro!!

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Alice Coltrane
Nico
Grouper

Fuck waifu threads

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>>74133492
Joni and Kate are pretty much the only two acceptable answers

Patti Smith

>>74131758
her new stuff is fantastic

not a fan of the asap rocky songs.

but everything else is amazing

>>74135171
>Fuck waifu threads
Then why did you post a picture with your waifu?

In rock music? Chrissie Hynde, definetly

>>74131666
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/24/538601651/a-new-canon-in-pop-music-women-belong-at-the-center-of-the-story
>Nearly 50 women who play a role in NPR compiled and voted on this list. It features albums by artists who identify as female — including some by mixed-gender bands, like Fleetwood Mac and X, that, in our view, relied on women's creativity for their spark.
Grimes is an outspokenly POST-feminist artist. She makes music that is purposefully designed to appeal to people regardless of what anyone's gender (including HER OWN) happens to be. She doesn't fit into these people's gender stereotypes.

>>74132230
Unironically speaking, she's too progressive* for them.


* Normally not a fan of this term. But here it applies.

>>74131758
Lana's album was the terrible, like all her others. Bjork would eat her alive you pleb faux-edgelord

>/mu/ tries to discuss "best" artists instead of their favorite artists
oh look it's this thread again

>>74138014
Just grimesfags who want an excuse to aimlessly argue their entirely subjective and rediculous opinions.

>>74137715
God. Can you imagine being this fucking hung up on a second rate synth pop artist. You need to seek professional help or I hope you're on her payroll.

Jesus fuck! You poor cunt.

>>74138099
Not that anon. Stop being so autistic. It's that dude's right to express his opinion. Also your disdain for synthpop, a genre responsable for so many great artists from Kraftwerk to Depeche Mode, is ridiculous and worthy of insults. And finally: stop hating her, turbopleb dip.

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>>74131593
grateful

>>74138286
>It's that dude's right to express his opinion.
>Stop hating her

Hildegard von Bingen

>>74138099
yeah, fuck that guy trying to discuss music on a fucking board dedicated to discussing music.

You're basically admitting to being too dumb to form your own opinion and people that actually care about art makes you feel inferior. So you lash out at them.

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>>74130200

>>74130200
Chip-Chan

The greatest performance art ever.

>>74132373
>She's the cutest and PLAYS THE GUITAR.
Keked.

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>>74140798
and don't forget she's the cutest in the world so her guitar playing skills don't really matter that much

lorde is better than grimes

>>74131574
rotten farts

>>74130200
bjork

a lot of people here would argue its kate bush but she was not as influential as bjork is plus bjork was actually truly experimental with her music
grimes wouldnt exist without bjork coming first

>>74135092
Love Julien Baker's music so much. Got to meet her once after she opened for The Decemberists and she was really chill and down to earth. But goddman does her music hurt the soul, man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTjko70fBg

>>74140892
Nah

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>>74140939
this

>>74135108
this desu

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Karin > all

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>>74135194
No, Kate is the only acceptable answer

Yoko Ono. Everyone who disagrees doesn't understand music as an art form.

>>74132373
And she has nice tits.

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>>74144023
appreciate her talent, not her womanly parts

>>74135108
Too bad Swift pretty much took over

>>74143245
I wish I was alive during the 70s and 80s for her prime

>>74144034
i have masturbated for her many times

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>>74144166
this board is for music discussion you freak and you should be locked away for doing that

>>74139463
You btfo that idiot

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>>74140892
No. Even Lorde admitted she was influenced by the master.

>>74144065
Why too bad? Taylor is more talented than Avril.

>>74142927
>grimes wouldnt exist without bjork coming first
Don't be so sure. Grimes was influenced by Mariah Carey, Aphex Twin, Cocteau Twins, Enya, Depeche Mode, Claire Hamill, Tool, Panda Bear, not Bjork.

>>74146063
And yet her music is 6/10 fluff at best even citing all this influence. Really makes you think.

>>74146244
Fluff? Are you sure that you listened to Claire Boucher's music? Her music is really deep and emotional. Pick Oblivion for instance.
>In your videos this year, you played with these clichés of powerful and powerless female archetypes. What was that about?
>I was interested in the Japanese archetype of a female protagonist who is very small and very cute and very physically powerful. You don’t see that archetype in America. But in Japanese culture, there are female characters who can embody this girl uniform and still cut someone’s head off with a sword. “Oblivion” embodies that kind of archetype, going into this masculine world that is associated with sexual assault, but presented as something really welcoming and nice. The song’s sort of about being — I was assaulted and I had a really hard time engaging in any types of relationship with men, because I was just so terrified of men for a while.
>Is it important for you to discuss what “Oblivion” is about?
>It would be intense if it were an overwhelming part of my image. I can’t censor myself; it’s really important for me to say how I feel. I needed to put out this song. I needed to make this song. I took one of the most shattering experiences of my life and turned it into something I can build a career on and that allows me to travel the world. I play it live every night. The whole process has been positive — engaging with that subject matter and making it into something good.
Unlike Bjork's arty iciness, her music is far more personal. She poured her soul into her music; don't dismiss it at fluff.

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>>74140622
underrated desu

>>74131593

This.

>>74146374

All of Bjork's albums are personal though, Vespertine and Vulnicura especially.

>>74146744
>All of Bjork's albums are personal though, Vespertine and Vulnicura especially.
Most of her music is too distant to me. Unlike Grimes, her music is more to be admired than loved.

Name a better female producer than Grimes.

>>74149045
I can't.

>>74144034
but isn't most of KPop general about that

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>>74149045

>>74151052
Her music is terrible.

https://youtu.be/3EeM94WkABk Beyonce over Madonna

Aretha Franklin, the greatest female rock, pop, and soul singer ever.

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>>74131593
this, there isn't a single female artist that can even compete

>>74130200
Oh look, another Bjork, Grimes or Kate Bush? thread. How about we talk about some different female artists for once? I notice that Nico, Grace Slick, Diamanda Galas, Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell etc. are literally never mentioned because you guys are too busy trying to decide if you want to masturbate to Bjork or Grimes today

>>74152054
What about Claire Boucher?

>>74153088
>implying some people don't love grimes & bjork's music

>>74146039
Avrils songs are much better imo.

>>74154009
Just because some people enjoy it doesn't mean that every single thread about female musicians should be shitposted to death by grimesfags and people trying to convince said grimesfags that muh Kate Bush is clearly superior

>>74155254
stop feeding the troll

>>74155254
It's their right to have their opinion. Who are you to question their right?

>>74135948
For rock? Yes.
But overall the best has gotta be Aretha Franklin

Nancy Wilson because she was an actual musician, not a singer.

>>74157164
singing still makes you a musician

No love for Yukimi Nagano?

>>74157233
incorrect

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I have a massive crush on Grimes but she just hasn't been around long enough to be in the running for "Best Female Artist." She's just too young. She keeps it up though and she's well on her way.

>>74132373
have to agree with this man

>>74157759
Shut up

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>>74131593

>>74142927
>grimes wouldnt exist without bjork coming first

>Let's start off with a boring but important question: what musicians inspired you to first start making music?
>G:First? I guess, maybe, Panda Bear and Animal Collective, stuff like that. Pretty different music from what I listen to now. At the time I was like, ‘Oh, OK, I see how Animal Collective does this, I'm going to try and do the same thing’. It's not necessarily a type of music, more the way which it's made, which made everything seem kind of possible. Or something. If that makes any sense.
>Is there anyone who influences or inspires you at the moment?
>G: I'm really getting into Nine Inch Nails right now. Again [laughs].
>Are there any artists that you get sick of being compared to?
>G: Definitely Kate Bush. I never listened to Kate Bush and I don't really like it. I just think it's laziness on the journalist's part, just like ‘Oh, they're both girls and they both sort of make pop music so we're gonna compare them’. Or Björk. I don't think I sound in any way like Björk. I also never really listened to her that much.
http://www.playgroundmag.net/articulos/entrevistas/Im-to-Kate-Bush-Ive_5_828567136.html

This interview is from early 2012, meaning that Grimes had yet to listen to ANY of Kate Bush's music or more than a small sampling of Bjork's (which she apparently disliked) up until well AFTER she had already written/released all but her most recent album Art Angels. If Bjork and/or Kate Bush hadn't existed, Grimes would still exist in pretty much the same way she does today because they weren't a part of her original inspiration.

Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, and Janis Joplin

>>74160881
But they heavily influenced the genre and musical landscape that Grimes exists in. The female musical lead in more experimental music was rare before them. She owes them a credit regardless of her opinion and listening history

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No one has mentioned Jun Togawa yet? Come on now.

>>74157759
>she's just too young
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAhahahahaha. Grimes is about to turn 30 & then fade into obscurity, it's only downhill for her

>>74160881
maybe she should listen to Kate Bush and Björk, maybe she'll stop being shitty

Why are you all motherfuckers suddenly talking about kate bush ?

>>74161453
>The female musical lead in more experimental music was rare before them.

>i hate it when people compare me to bjork. not because i dont completely love bjork and think she is a fucking badass, but because it just seems like lazy journalism. i.e. any female artist who makes even remotely experimental music is constantly compared to bjork by journalists who completely ignore the legacy of every other experimental female musician who isn’t bjork.
http://grimes-claireboucher.tumblr.com/post/138983167645/actuallygrimes-i-hate-it-when-people-compare-me

The only female experimental artists Grimes owes anything to are the ones who actually inspired her to make the sort of music that she makes. Like Claire Hamill (whose album Voices is what Björk's album Medúlla is a shameless ripoff of.)

>>74161831
Your missing my point. Direct listening inspiration isn't the only form of influence. Albeit indirectly, Grimes is likely to have not existed if Bjork or Kate Bush had not. This also includes other female musical leaders like Patti Smith, Claire Hamill, etc. Kurt Cobain doesn't have to like Elvis Presley to owe him his existence. And whether you agree with me or not, it's still a VAST overstatement to call Grimes the "best female musician of all time" because there were others before her and she still has a career ahead of her to prove or disprove her worthiness.

>>74144779
>admitting influence proves that the influencer is better
wew
>>74146063
>Mariah Carey

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Celia Cruz

>>74162025
>whether you agree with me or not, it's still a VAST overstatement to call Grimes the "best female musician of all time"
Different anon, anon. "Best of all time" is clearly about as over the top subjective as you can get. So no arguments there.

However,
>Grimes is likely to have not existed if Bjork or Kate Bush had not.
There is literally NO reason to think this, because all of the musical artists Claire Boucher has mentioned as being significant to her original motivation for creating Grimes either came from musical lineages completely unrelated to Bjork and/or Kate Bush (e.g. Animal Collective) or predated both of their existences (e.g. Claire Hamill or Saint Hildegard of Bingen - women making interesting music neither originates nor ends with Kate Bush or Bjork.)
Sure - the critical music world would've perceived Grimes differently at first if they hadn't had Bjork's name to randomly bring up in articles written about her as a way to fill out word counts. But there is no actual reason to think that Grimes' music itself would've started out sounding any different if Kate Bush and/or Bjork hadn't existed, because all of Grimes' major sources of inspiration would've still been intact.

good luck

>>74146728
yucky

>>74162092
Mariah Carey has a voice with a wide range, like it or not.

Who's the most pathetic artist in history? dont think it's mozart

>>74161575
I agree, but Bjork's solo efforts started to take off well into her late twenties.

holy fuck grimesfags are the worst. i dont remember them being this bad a few years ago, why is there so many of them now?

>>74165396
They're the worst because they shut your dumb mouth and piss you off? I get it.

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>>74130200
objectively correct answer

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there's literally nothing she can't do

>>74166441
Good bait

Why would it be Grimes you fucking gremlin, she legit has one good album and she is shallow as a kiddie pool

>>74130200

The bangles

>>74166888
WTF are you talking about?

Hello autists!

>>74160902
Don't forget Billie Holiday! But great answers

/thread

>>74161736
Shitty under the belt attack.

>>74166441
She looks like a Bruce Jenner'd Paul McCartney.

>>74161575
>Grimes is about to turn 30 & then fade into obscurity, it's only downhill for her
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAhahahahaha! The joke's on you: watch out when her next album will be out. Most probably in 2018. We'll see if she's a flash in the pan or not.

>>74162025
>And whether you agree with me or not, it's still a VAST overstatement to call Grimes the "best female musician of all time" because there were others before her and she still has a career ahead of her to prove or disprove her worthiness.
The fact she achieved so much in such a short period of times doing all by herself it's a major proof she's the best. Her music is also consistently great.

>>74162667
>women making interesting music neither originates nor ends with Kate Bush or Bjork.
This should be a sticky. So many deluded people believe that interesting music started with Kate and Bjork when there are countless of other great yet obscure artists.

>>74165201
>thinking bjork & grimey are even remotely comparable
C'mon bud

>>74167290
The next project Grimes releases will flop without a doubt, then she will get a shitty haircut like Katy Perry. in interviews she will say stupid/edgy shit for publicity, just watch

>>74160881
>Dislikes Bjork and Kate Bush

Grimes is a Pleb.

>>74167455
Why not? Grimes is experimental, melodic, diverse, out there, electronic, just like Bjork. On top of that, both have strange and unique voices. On the other hand, Grimes is a far superior songwriter and producer.

>>74167478
>will flop without a doubt
Lol. What will you do when your prediction will fail miserably?

>>74130200
not her.

>>74164873
unfortunate that she wasted that talent

>>74131593
thank her producers, arrangers and co-writers for that

talentless is what she really is, without no trendy underground movement to copy on team bjork wouldn't have anything to sell to the major public

>>74137715
Kate Bush doesn't like to be called a feminist, so I guess she "doesn't fit into these people's gender stereotypes", but she's on the list. You're gonna have to come up with a new excuse.

>>74168866
>thank her arranger
that would be Bjork
>thank her producers
she co-produces everything
>and co-writers
I don't think she has any, at least not on her best album, Post. Even if she does on a few of her albums, she still contributes most of the music

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Hatsune Miku without a doubt.

>>74130200
is this a get thread ?

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>>74130200
Morita Doji, off course.
Music that hit on the feels
Awesome artist

>>74168583
Wrong.

>>74170303
Art Angels and the Suicide Squad song were both shit. Those two albums are the most representative of her current sound, so she's shit.

>>74170360
You just have shit taste. Art Angels is a pop masterpiece and that Suicide Squad was a decent tune. Thankfully your pathetic opinion is truly unpopular.

PJ Harvey. For this one clip every second of which is pure art on multiple levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64C6Ih4QlrE

The real answer is Kate Bush of course but people have already said that.

>>74161575
how old are you?
What have you accomplished?

>>74170751
66
nothing

>>74130200
can you put grimes in the title of your thread next time? makes it easier to filter it

>>74170993
This is not a Grimes thread

>>74171088
same shit

literally everybody except grimes

>>74142948
If you think this is good music then you have garbage taste. Her singing is shit technique and her piano playing is terrible

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step your game up

>>74171213
Nice try. Still wrong.

>>74171464
Is that your waifu?

>ctrl-f
>no elizabeth fraser

neck yourselves