/classical/

Different conductors are fun to watch but not different to listen to I think its up to the performer how they phrase it in most cases if its a solo or feature.

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>>74118233
>fun to watch
how does watching have anything to do with the music?
>phrase it
dunno what that means

>>74118265
are you fucking baiting?

>>74118178
who's the fluid druid?

>>74118303
no lol
>>74118332
me xoxo

>>74118178
>conductors
Unless you REALLY know classical music I don't feel like conductor will make much of a difference.
Maybe if you exclusively favor one conductor you'll begin to pick up their preferences.

You're much better off focusing on composers. Pick someone you like and listen to as much of their work as you can. You'll very quickly begin to pick up not only what sets them apart but what similarities they share with other composers. Do a little research and you'll more often than not find out they studied with each other or under the same teacher.

You'll reach a point where you can listen to a new song blindly and say with confidence "This was composed by [name]"

>>74118178
h-HI!

>>74118178
Until you really get to know a piece, you won't hear too much difference between recordings. Also, conductors are overrated and it's really the performers that make things stick out from each other.

>>74118178
Even though classical music has a lot of exact or specific instructions in its notation (most significantly with respect to melody/ordering of notes), there's still a lot of room for interpretation that's up to the performer (or in the case of an orchestra, the conductor who is leading the performers).

Dynamics is one of the most subjective, and its notation demands outside interpretation, and for a conductor, dynamics also plays a part in the balancing of emphasis among different sections/instruments.

Timing is another hugely subjective aspect, from tempo (especially older works that don't indicate exact bpm) to rhythm (consider swing rhythm in jazz, which falls under a gradient of "heavy" and "light" in feel, again leaving a lot for interpretation).

It's not a big thing to be concerned about if you're just getting into a piece. Just find a trusted version to start (i.e. not the local community college volunteer orchestra conducted by Little Sick Timmy for his Make-a-Wish). But if you find a piece that really grabs you, it can be interesting exploring the realm of interpretation and comparing versions with others.

>>74118178
whos this good looking bitch

>>74118178
wow i'm suddenly thirsty for milk

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>>74118178
M O M M Y

>>74118560
>conductors are overrated and it's really the performers that make things stick out from each other.
The conductor tells the performers when to "stick out" and when not to.

The food analogy is pretty good:
The composer is the guy who wrote the recipe
The instruments are the ingredients
and the conductor is the chef. Without him you're just going to have a jumble of ingredients.

>>74118560
>conductors are overrated
>it's really the performers
>conductors
>performers

>>74118848
nice Blue Velvet reference

>>74119311
>Blue Velvet reference

What? Never seen that movie before. I'm referencing based on my /ss/ fetish.

16 comments and still no music posted. Get it together /classical/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioK1mrZcqf8

Can you guys give me recs like Berio's Folk Songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_DpEaKsFm4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDWBAMml52I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpZWXqsAXA
For example if I were to compare these two recordings, I would prefer the former due to the stricter phrasing and faster tempo, which bring out the virtuosity Leclair writes into his pieces more. In addition Biondi loves to insert excessively expressive ornamentations into his playing (probably due to him being Italian and is used to playing Italian pieces) which just doesn't fit well with French pieces.
>>74120461
The thread's made by a dumbass frogposter, what did you expect?

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>>74120724

tiddies

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>>74120751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Zsk55I2Ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrQHgCMeWQ

posting anime and baroque are two of the shittest things put into one

>>74118178
How good a classical ensemble is comes down to three things:

20% conductors personal style
30% musicianship of the performers
50% quality of the recording

>>74121540
>20% conductors personal style
https://youtu.be/G9seB8jfXyk?t=215

>>74121658
I'm assuming we have a reasonable expectation that the conductor is at least competent.

But honestly though the sound quality in that video is absolute trash and just proves my point.

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>>74121711
I love how the second viola can't stop himself from grinning.

>>74121540
an ensemble's quality is indepedent of recording quality you fuckin idiot lmao

there are plenty of good ensembles which haven't even been recorded

>>74121658
Someone grew up watching too much Stokowski

>>74121963
sure, but no one gives a shit about an ensemble you can't even hear you handel loving whore

>>74122013
my point remains

lick my butthole

>>74122010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU0Ubs2KYUI

>>74122034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbrXZvu8bUo

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>>74122038
For what reason

When I listen to Bach I hate hearing wimpy recordings. That phat walking bass in Bach's music is often miced up as an afterthought by the sound engineer, or the ensemble as a whole doesn't give the music that umph that is essential in a lot of his concertos.

Here's a good example of a wimpy ensemble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq2WTXtKurk

And here's Cafe Zimmerman, they almost never get it wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skrYPbzssgI

>>74122206
Could just be an interpretive issue, and not necessarily a sound engineer issue. Could be both. It's hard to tell.

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>>74122365
I think it's both in this case. The recording of the bass is obviously lacking in he first video, to the point where it was hard to tell where its melody was going which is a sin in Bach's music.

It's just not as loud as the second video, and I won't believe that a baroque bass has that much dynamic range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI74BaE0ltg
Honestly Avison made better music than D. Scarlatti.

>>74122558
or just karajan it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Dm-SD8FE4

>>74123125
lmao

>>74122835
That was great, really enjoyed it.

for people who like classical, are there famouse composers you find boring?

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>>74123266
Do NOT ever reply to me again.

objective or subjective tempo: subjective style has more agogics which arent indicated in score but could be inferred from structure. interpretation of structure is again a spectrum of competing paradigms.

phrasing deals with melodic ambiguities, the choice of accented measure can decide whether a rhytmic ambiguity is played for full effect. for example if one element is "Tokyo" and the other "Kyoto", one could accent an ambiguous section TokyoTokyoTokyoTokyoto or toKyotoKyotoKyotoKyoto.

intentional slightly asynchronous unisons which lead to interesting acoustic without compromising the original composition. one can even tell each string player to stroke in a nonuniform manner to micromanage the timbre.

in the masterclasses for piano on youtube etc, the interpretation choices they discuss are similar to the choices of a conductor.

>>74123306
dear mr anime baroqueposter, why such hostility with the poly-bro?

Caldara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qb8rc2jdew

>>74118332
>>74118446
>>74118587
>>74118631
>>74118848
Her name is Nora Stadler, she's a German model, she uses a different name on instagram tho
https://www.instagram.com/marayjayin/

>>74123977
> German
So you're saying my brown Latin ass has a chance as long as i go from Alejando to Ahmad

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>>74123977
>https://www.instagram.com/marayjayin/

Is she /our girl/?

>>74124448
She's a fan of 2Pac though.

>>74118341
LIAR

>>74124651
>liking a critically acclaimed artist goes against chan-values

>>74124889
Figured that would go against /classical/ values.

>>74124915
>implying 2Pac isn't the Mozart of his time :^)

>>74124889
Being a fan of pop music goes against /classical/ and elitist values.

>>74120722
Just listen to more Berio.

>>74120722
Anything by Montserrat Figueras/Jordi Savall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpaZlGK31BU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cpRDlhVHDI

>>74119345
>I'm referencing based on my autism

anyway post more

>>74125042
so being a fan of the Beach Boys goes against that too?

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whats the deal with this shit - alto clef and g clef on the staves?

how do i read this? the first c.f. notes are D F E or E G F?

im lost and cant tell if im reading things wrong or if its just some kind of transposition shorthand. its from fux's steps to parnassus alfred mann edition

>>74126356
it's in treble clef. it's just showing that it was originally in alto/c clef

>>74126356
All the information you need to answer your question is on the page. The interval between the first notes is a fifth, so the top line is treble clef and the second line is octave-below treble clef.

It's usually done to indicate that the source material has been edited for the benefit of modern readers (so in the original Gradus, those two lines would have been in alto and tenor clef). You see it a lot in early music scores.

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anyone have any recommended recordings for George Antheil?

Holy milk

>>74121540
people listen to shitty recordings of good performances all the time

mememe

Will there ever be a revival of western art music? Can there be?

>>74118178
who is that titty titan

So, in the US it is becoming increasingly common for certain children to start transitioning really early.

Does... does this mean we're going to get castati singers again? Does this mean we will actually be able to listen to bel canto Italian opera once again?

>>74118233
the plebbest of plebs

>>74118233
>>74118369

Can we get the real general back?

wow. /classical/ is officially a dead general now?

When do all the summerfags go back to school?

>>74118178
Good golly molly

>>74124889
Woman who likes rap = coalburner. Every time.

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>>74129038
That might happen.
>tfw there's no politically correct way to compose a piece for castrati singers

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>>74129038
My cock twitches in anticipation.

>>74126374
>>74126448

got it thank you for clearing up the confusion - will go forward now in treble clef

>>74129038
Doubtful (although I don't know nearly enough of the biology to be completely certain). Trannies get pumped full of hormones in addition to the dick surgery to try to turn them into women; castrati weren't turned into women, and it was actually fairly important that they grew to be "larger" - as men usually compared to women - in order to have a larger lung capacity and thoracic size more generally for greater resonance.

Add that to the fact that castrati didn't magically become amazing once they had their balls chopped off, but then had to be very rigorously trained daily for the majority of their childhood in order to aid the development of their body and you have a rare situation that I can't see happening (at least in our lifetimes)

>>74118178
on vocal works, their choice of choral makeup (e.g. women altos, countertenors, boy altos) is kinda big if you have a preference one way or another. conductors go at different paces (sometimes wildly so) and usually choose to accentuate certain parts of the piece over others. they also might arrange differently or have different instrumentation (period instruments vs. not, for example). listening to a lot of versions of Bach's masses specifically or big orchestral works more generally will give you the best sense of variety, over smaller chamber ensembles that, while performing differently similarly to orchestras, will rarely have differences in performance lengths of sometimes 50+%, for example

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>>74129038
What's some good classical that encapsulates the inherent irreverence of modern society?

(yes that's a boy child)

>>74133328
Schulhoff's memier compositions

>>74133328
I get why some mothers dress their sons as girls but why would a man do that?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEjmEfG23T8
Honestly would not mind dying to this.

op post some tiddies derails entire thread
this general is ass now

>>74133746
sex

>>74133889
They are nice though.

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>>74119345
you're not missing much

>>74131566
>Add that to the fact that castrati didn't magically become amazing once they had their balls chopped off, but then had to be very rigorously trained daily for the majority of their childhood in order to aid the development of their body and you have a rare situation that I can't see happening (at least in our lifetimes)

I'm fully aware that it is improbable, but is it possible that in 80 of advanced recordings the world has not produced not even ONE good castrato singer?

>>74133328
In Italy many children dress as their opposite gender during Carnival, and it has been so for centuries.

>>74134657
The actor isn't Italian.

Hmm

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>>74118369
>Unless you REALLY know classical music I don't feel like conductor will make much of a difference.
>You'll reach a point where you can listen to a new song blindly and say with confidence "This was composed by [name]"
>>74118560
>conductors are overrated and it's really the performers that make things stick out from each other.
>>74121540
>20% conductors personal style
>30% musicianship of the performers
>50% quality of the recording
The absolute fucking state of this general.

Also;
>actually listening to recorded music
kys yourselves