imagine the 70s without brian eno and krautrock

It would be much better because then people would look to the likes of Stockhausen, Varese, Beatles' Revolution 9, early Klaus Schulze/Tangerine Dream instead of the watered down memebient we got.

Bowie would have never released a good album

Imagine the 70s if George Clinton and Sly Stone didn't get intimidated by the Black Panthers and kept making the music they wanted to actually make and didn't pander to anyone

>>74113728
This is a point. We got new age rather than great ambient

>>74113728
This. Brian Eno is a dank meme at best.

>>74113728
where should i start with stockhausen and varese?

>>74113830
I know you're not talking shit about New Age.

>>74113697
Glam would have lasted forever and David Johansson would have been the new messiah

>>74113855
>1/1
>not one of the greatest pieces of the 70s

>>74113697
Ahhh, the death of rock with its peak, absolutely none worth listening to after that

>>74113697
>Rock stays good and doesn't get infected with new wave and post punk cancer

Sign me the fuck up

>>74113778
story?

>>74113914
>40 years of shitty blues rock
Yeah, nah.

>>74113937
Read the wiki on There's A Riot

>>74113914
you got a lot of nerve, kid

>>74113864
Stockhausen: Gesang der Jünglinge
Varese: Poème électronique

That is, in terms of electronic music at least. I would also otherwise recommend Gruppen from Stockhausen and Ionisation by Varese.

Start with the Varese first it's infinitely easier to digest.

Some things to read/watch that might help explain what's going on if you're completely unfamiliar with the music:

Poème électronique: http://tanika-poemeelectronique.blogspot.com/

Gesang der Jünglinge:http://stockhausenspace.blogspot.com/2015/01/opus-8-gesang-der-junglinge.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv-I-CNv3JI

>>74113965
just read it
literally nothing

>>74113914
post punk was a great cancer tho: it killed blues.
a great achievement.

>>74113728
>Watered down
>Mentions Revolution 9
You don't see the problem here, do you?

>all this Eno roasting
You guys are fucking plebs you know that?
PLEBS!

>>74113965
>and the Black Panther Party, with which Stone had become associated, was demanding he make his music more militant and reflective of the black power movement, that he replace Greg Errico and Jerry Martini with black instrumentalists, and replace manager David Kapralik
Damn

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>>74113830
what's your fucking problem with new age?

>>74114010
Same thing happened with George and Maggot Brain, those fucking scumbags murdered his passion

ok
https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=1970s&genre_include=0&include_child_genres=1&genres=ambient%2C+krautrock&include_child_genres_chk=1&include=both&origin_countries=&limit=none&countries=

>>74113995
It's not the most in-depth work of sound collage, sure, but it's one of the most well known and mainstream takes on avant garde music of the time. Also it's not memebient stuff and would've been the gateway to the real crazy stuff.

>>74113914
>Post punk
>PiL, The Pop Group, Minutemen, Pere Ubu, Glenn Branca, Nick Cave
>Cancer

>>74114060
Why are you so against ambient music? Not every ambient album is ambient techno and IDM with ambient elements.

>>74114119
Because that early ambient and krautrock codified that popular music forms of electronic music have to fit the minimalism structure instead of having the genre be more free to use whatever structures it wants to work with. This is especially annoying since the structure didn't encourage enough interaction with a wide variety of timbres like what electronic music is good with, and that's why the genre feels so oversaturated today even though it shouldn't be.

>>74114086
>gang of four, wire, joy division, television

they're great too.

>>74114205
>>gang of four, wire, joy division, television
LOL

>>74113942
>>74113970
>>74113991
>>74114086
Post-Punk is pretentious garbage.

>>74114175
What does krautrock have to do with popular music? You know they wanted to escape schlagers and any notions of western popular music I'm sure. And are you also implying that krautrock bands championed ambient music and didn't allow room for further improvement and development? We're not talking about shoegaze here.

>>74114249
Do you have an argument you want to express or are you posting without your trip Montie?

>>74114216
You're right. Cream, Zeppelin, and 70s Stones are so much better.

Can you fucking plebs stop using "post-punk" like it's a fucking genre? Christ

>>74114205
Of course.

>>74114286
Post-Punk sucked the energy from the punk movement and made it into artsy bullshit. If hardcore hadn't come along punk would have died.

>>74114255
Krautrock is still popular music no matter how hard they tried to get away from the perception. Stuff like Future Days, Faust IV, and Neu! helped codify minimalist structure just as much as Eno did.

>b-but Tago Mago side 2!
A brave effort in the tracks where it does happen, but everyone just cares about the subpar repetitive groove jams.
>m-muh Faust I!
Only the electronic parts, the rest is also minimalist structure rock.

>>74114295
Oh yes, let's ruin a potentially positive thread by playing word games until the bump limit.
http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Post-Punk/

>>74114339
>muh three chord fast rock

>>74114339
Oh, so no one should dare to elevate and improve on music genres? Or otherwise they're considered try hard wanking schlock, right?

>>74114119
Ambient is the music for housekeepers

>>74114361
Punk rock perfected the energy of rock n roll that made it such a hit and so powerful. Post-punk added aspects of other musical forms and watered them down. Thus you get watered down aspects of *insert genre a particular post-punk band messed with* due to lack of exploration of those genres and watered down punk as it's never as energetic as punk rock.

>>74114389
I remember that response from other bait threads. Thanks for confirming you're not worth being taken seriously.

>>74114001
Eno is for plebs. That's the whole point of his music.

>>74114339
Who cares? 70s punk was boring and derivative of itself.

Imagine 2000s without Linkin park

>>74114361
>>74114374
>>74114425
t. Nu Males

>>74114411
t. housekeeper

>>74114429
>muh epic meme buzzwords

>>74114349
>rym
Fucking hell mate you could at least try

>>74114402
>Post punk
>Watered down
I hate to break it to you, but presumably one of your favorite three chord energetic bands were a manufactured boy band and a project of the McLaren. That's talked about in the official Sex Pistols documentary.
http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt0236216/
And here it is from the horse's mouth:
https://youtu.be/-nds8KOUTy4
So much for authenticity, artistic credibility and being anti-establishment, aye buddy?

>>74114464
Of Malcom McLaren*

Imagine the 80s without synths

>>74114429
Post-punk is objectively more interesting than punk

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Imagine the 70s without rock

>>74114416
What are you even talking about? It's as if you think ambient music achieved high chart placement.

>>74114533
It did

>>74114342
Sure, some of them were students of Stockhausen, although not avant-garde classical composers themselves. But those bands didn't have hit singles, nor did they intend to. Is every genre besides classical music popular and therefore artistically blank music now?

>>74114464
>brings up back story instead of the actual qualities of the music itself
Thanks for proving me right.
>>74114516
Nah, post-punk is objectively a jack of all trades, master of none. There's no other genre of music that's more straight visceral than the main punk rock and its subgenres. Post-punk tries to cop from actual cerebrally rewarding genres like free jazz, musique concrete, minimalism, etc. but is nowhere near as good at exploring those ideas as those genres themselves are. I would rather listen to punk rock and those genres than post-punk garbage.

>>74114552
Damn. I'm convinced now. Thanks for opening my eyes to the truth. This is hopefully the last (You) you're getting.

>>74114589
>those bands didn't have hit singles
wrong

>>74114604
yeah and it's still better than punk

>>74114589
>has no clue about the formal definition of popular music
Yeah, most stuff outside what's labeled as "classical", quite a lot of jazz, traditional folk music, and their ethnic equivalents aren't popular music. The rest are.

>>74114604
How did I prove your right? The world isn't black and white. Even John Lydon and Devoto of all people hated punk and the bands they were in before (Punk Britannia BBC documentary part 3).

Post-punk is punk rock for art students

>>74114627
Sure, if you're a pussy who can't handle real complex music nor actually energetic visceral music. Post-punk isn't good at anything it does.

>>74114458
Care to provide a better source? But you said it, that's all we need, right?

>>74114641
>STILL relies on aspects outside the music itself to make his point
Jesus christ, how fucking pretentious can you be? Look at everyone else in this topic and how they are making their "X is superior" point talking about the actual music itself. All you have done is link to what people say about certain things connected to the music rather than talk about the music itself.

>>74114639
I know which genres are classified as popular music, I was making a sarcastic remark. And even those lines are getting blurred with time. Many progressive rock subgenres are getting recognized by academia for example.

>>74114694
But all you've said is - I like punk, every other genre I don't like sucks. And I've provided proof of people who've made a genre of music you enjoy later dismissing it and washing their hands of it.

>>74114659
Where did I ask for a source? Linking to a rym page with "GENRE: POST-PUNK" isn't a very convincing argument.
"Post-punk" is a subculture movement comprised of massively varying styles of music that have little to do with each other and weren't labelled as such until after the fact, instead usually being grouped with New Wave.
It's utterly useless using "post-punk" as a genre because there is no common factor in post-punk music.

>>74114010
That sucks that it got so heated but fresh was at least in the same league as riot desu. Its as if those niggas never heard everyday people.

>>74114722
>And I've provided proof of people who've made a genre of music you enjoy later dismissing it and washing their hands of it.
Appeal to authority fallacy.
>But all you've said is - I like punk, every other genre I don't like sucks.
No, I said that punk rock is known for being the most visceral form of music out there, and post-punk waters that down. In return post-punk adds elements of avant garde classical/jazz/electronic or dub music or whatever, but it also offers watered down ideas in those genres, with a band like Pop Group unable to push the envelop full Ornette Coleman style. My argument is that post-punk is jack of all trades, master of none. Pay attention.

>>74114741
>Where did I ask for a source? Linking to a rym page with "GENRE: POST-PUNK" isn't a very convincing argument.
But taking your word for it is? That's why you're against providing any sources. Let's just stop derailing this thread by playing word games.

>>74114773
Because if you use your head a bit and read about the subculture it's not very difficult to reach that conclusion, I'm not making an academic argument.

>>74114766
>Appeal to authority fallacy
You are in such denial it's palpable. Whatever. And here you are, in the same breath, praising pushing the envelope musically and innovation, but still over romanticizing punk, even though some of its pioneers referred to it as "three chord trash".

>>74114766
fucking hell you are talking nonsense. in what way is pop group related to ornette coleman? why are you comparing them?

damn, 70's without Eno and Krautrock. That cuts off a lot of the more experimental stuff.

But still a decade loaded with greats in multiple genres: Kraftwerk, Marvin Gaye, Late-era Miles Davis. Dylan's Blood on The Tracks came out in the 70s, Neil Young, Sly & The Family Stone...I think we would survive.

>>74114815
>denial
Nope. It's literally appeal to authority because you bring zero logical thought behind anything you say. Just "oh, these guys said it sucks so it sucks".

Miles Davis hates his earlier stuff like Kind Of Blue well into his electric era.
Kendrick Lamar thinks his best record is DAMN.
Varg doesn't even like metal anymore.
Beefheart's favorite record of his own was Lick My Decals Off, Baby.

Oh, you want an example of a non-musician, what about Ray Bradbury saying that he literally wrote F451 because he hated TVs not because of the message that gives it the legendary status it has?

It doesn't matter what the artist thinks of their own work. We can only analyze the qualities of the work itself to come to any real conclusion.

>>74114849
Have you never listened to The Pop Group? Maybe go past Beyond Good And Evil. Oh wait, you probably haven't, because it's subpar free jazz on Y after that track.

>>74114849
Not him, but they had free jazz influences, although not being a jazz band and not fitting a particular genre classification either. But that's apparently not good enough for him.

>>74114852
kraftwerk started as a krautrock band

>>74114870
Kendrick thinks his best album is Section 80. Says it was, "him at his hungriest"

>>74114911
https://onairwithryan.iheart.com/content/2017-07-05-watch-kendrick-lamar-rank-his-albums-from-favorite-to-least-favorite/

>>74114870
>Nope. It's literally appeal to authority because you bring zero logical thought behind anything you say. Just "oh, these guys said it sucks so it sucks".
>>74114339
>>74114402
Are these not your posts? What are you even talking about? Are you deliberately being dense and not acknowledging contradictions in your arguments? Either way, punk rock is objectively a simplistic form of music, which took popular music back to its infancy. Power chords, I-IV-V chord progressions, songs are usually 2-3 minutes long, most songs are in 4/4 and songs are often simplistic in their predominantly verse-chorus form. These are not peaks of musical thought and experimentation as you're over romanticizing them to be. But in the same breath, you're praising innovation and a radical approach to music.

>>74114926
well i'll be DAMN-ed. It does tread the line between TPAB and GK;MC well. I prefer TPAB; DAMN probably 2nd. GK;MC sounds a lil dated desu.

thanks for the source mate.

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>all these people defending babbs 1st "deep" genre
Truth is punk has attempted more than it is regularly perceived as and it's evolution has developed genres that aren't perceived as such

Denying the impact it had compared to a wave of artists that only lasted for 20 years is ignorance

>>74115069
No, I am not the first one of those two. And again you think it's just harmonic progression (muh three chords) but you aren't looking at performance/delivery style which is the most important innovation punk brought in just how fast and hard everything's played. That's where the radical innovation came from. Post-punk totally drops that in favor of something no different from what was already being done. But nope, it's gotta be muh three chords, right? Like I can't believe I am even having to explain this. Punk would sound exactly like rock n roll if it didn't do anything new at all based on the premises you set up.

Ah, much better.

>>74115218
So, the only innovation you accept is the one in BPM? Sure, here are Joe Pass and Oscar Peterson playing a mind bogglingly fast version of Donna Lee long before punk became a thing. So, what now? Do they "win" because they can play almost twice as fast as punk bands? I'm not sure I should even give you the benefit of the doubt of not attempting to discuss a delivery of a jazz standard and simplistic punk rock songs.
https://youtu.be/RuXIMQGqXGk
What's already been done before post punk? Did punk rock incorporate musique concrete, dub, funk and free jazz influences? I'm sure it magically did, because it's a genre you happen to enjoy. Are you aware of where I-IV-V chord progressions came from? Rock & roll and blues, just played at faster tempos in punk rock. Not to say pub rock paved the way for punk. That was a musical regression too, because songs from the 50's were played in majority of pubs in the UK and all in the same decade when some of the most sophisticated and innovative genres of rock music existed (progressive rock). I'm also sure, even though it's been recognized and analyzed by academia, that it's wankery and artistic schlock because you personally don't enjoy it and would label as a jack of all trades, but master of none. And again, you supposedly praise innovation in certain forms.

>>74114604
>Post-punk tries to cop from actual cerebrally rewarding genres like free jazz, musique concrete, minimalism, etc. but is nowhere near as good at exploring those ideas as those genres themselves are.

this must be bait

>>74115563
Refute it

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>>74114852
>Marvin Gaye, Late-era Miles Davis. Dylan's Blood on The Tracks came out in the 70s, Neil Young, Sly & The Family Stone..

maybe only gaye is passable

Whateaver bring the internet faster is better

>>74115601
there are countless post punk bands (and they
are actually the most interesting) that never made any of those experimental genres: JD, cure, wire, etc.

>>74115624
>Whateaver bring the internet faster is better

Thats a better situation

What if computer 32bits soundcards existed widely at 80s and internet was pay per month unlimited internet like it is now

>>74115446
That link sounds nothing at all like punk rock. The fuck did I just say it's just BPM? Hell I even gave rock n roll as an example, and a lot of the early stuff wasn't that much if at all faster than that. Jfc you're mentally retarded.

>What's already been done before post punk?
Minimalist takes on rock? Done before. Free jazz in rock music? Done before. Dub style rhythms in rock music? Done before. Now I'll remind you that my initial argument had jack shit to do with innovation and YOU are the one that brought it up while I just wanted to talk about what the music itself is. I say that because personally "innovation" like post-punk is a regression because it achieves nothing.
>I'm also sure, even though it's been recognized and analyzed by academia
Is this a way to determine whether or not something's important? Because let me tell you there's far more musicology pieces on punk rock's cultural importance than any you can find analyzing post-punk or prog rock. All these attempts at making pop music complex is dumb, and will never really be analyzed much by academics because it isn't complex enough like classical to be analyzed musically nor is it as culturally important as punk or hip hop (bar The Beatles of course.)

>>74115631
>JD
Minimalist song structures.
>Cure
electronic music
>Wire
classical and electronic music

>>74115745
who said post-punk was an attempt to be complex? and who said it is necessarily dependent on appropriating earlier genres? when I think of my favourite post-punk songs they don't do either.

>>74115810
The argument made itt for post-punk is that it's got far more complex ideas than regular thus it's better. I am tearing that apart.

>>74115847
no they just said it was "more interesting", which is obviously subjective. calm your tits

>>74115911
Yeah, then I said that punk rock is energetic while post-punk has neither than nor a more cerebral content to make it musically interesting at all. Then you got mr. muh three chords

>>74114028
is gey

>>74115952
can you not accept the idea that the variety you have already identified in "post-punk" could potentially make it more interesting than "punk" to listen to?

>>74116052
No, because it's surface level variety. Something like only caters to ADHD kids and plebs. I would rather listen to like classical or jazz because they bring far more variety than post-punk's so called highly lauded variety ever could. It's much better than punk rock innovated/brought variety with like Dead Kennedys/Black Flag, then powerviolence/grindcore/metalcore/etc.

Classical and forms of punk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>post-punk

Post-punk to me represents that person whose too lame to enjoy the fun energetic feel of punk rock but also is too fucking stupid to enjoy more complex/or atmospheric genres of music.

>>74116137
but the best post-punk doesn't invite comparisons to classical or jazz. you'd find very few that do in the former case certainly (you'd find a lot more prog that does that)

post-punk to me is just the punk ethos but used to more introverted or personal ends, really. nothing more or less. and it blossoms in interesting and different ways. you have northern misty misanthropes like MES on one hand and then you have goths and new romantics on the other, and urban realists like paul weller. Punk kind of stuck on the same sort of sound a bit in comparison

>>74116137
this post is hilarious to somebody like me that has classical jazz and post punk as their favorite genres

>>74116357
Yes, but the punk genre isn't that fit for more introspective/personal ends. It can't cover emotion on the level of say...Threnody To The Victims Of Hiroshima or String Quartet No. 8.

Like, yeah post-punk had a lot of variety, but it killed off what made punk work as a result of it. I gave examples of punk evolving without having to give up its signature sound, and that's what's best for the genre.
>>74116461
Then one has to question your ability to digest those genres of music and why you listen to them (that person's you cuz idc anymore. Post punk is pretentious ass for asses who can't into actual introspective music.)

>>74116867
Not the punk musical form, the ethos. Basically taking the instruments of rock n' roll away from its standards (usually blues or jazz ones before the mid-70s). Punk was violent and outgoing and political but as a result it solidified into a scene which came to have its own standards.

I find "Deceit" by This Heat just as moving as the Threnody (which is apt, since they're both about nuclear destruction)

>>74116867
You claim post-punk is pretentious, yet act pretentious calling others lame and stupid.

>>74116867
its easier to appreciate those genres as a musician / composer as well as an attentive listener and being well listened in other genres. it came to me naturally after long enough

>>74116867
>post-punk had a lot of variety, but it killed off what made punk work as a result of it.
Completely your subjective viewpoint, completely disagreeable, why make this post? Why post altogether? Jesus
>Post punk is pretentious ass for asses who can't into actual introspective music.)
God, what does that mean? If you listen to Post-Punk you can't listen to Classical or Avant-Garde music? "Signature sound" fucking hell, this level of genre coralling, why the fuck does it matter if a genre doesn't live up to a "signature sound" what is that bullshit? Jesus, how can you think this?

>>74116137
Why aren't you judging music on it's own terms rather than forcing an unnecessary and unnatural comparison to other genres that have their own terms? Does everything have to fit into it's own box of purpose which you decide, for you to like it?

>>74114291
They are.

>>74113697
I already do since I don't listen to any of that garbage.

>>74117206
Just pointing out the truth.
>>74117318
Cool, then why waste time listening to inferior music?
>>74117425
>Completely your subjective viewpoint, completely disagreeable, why make this post? Why post altogether? Jesus
Well, if you look at qualities of punk, you'll notice similarities to rock n roll and Stooges style hard rock. Gotta look at what makes it different. Not as subjective as you think?\.
>what does that mean
It's not good at what it does.
>>74117476
I did. My conclusions is based on observations related to musical qualities related to how visceral the music is, the melodic/harmonic content it has, what it does with its timbre, the progression it entails, etc.
>>74117042
See, I can't feel the same way because I wished the music on Deceit was darker/more intense, each individual section of each track is very repetitive with minor if any variation, and some tracks are overlong as well (three sections each with either one or two measure phrases in an almost six minute long track like Paper Hats? Not my thing.)

>>74115745
>jfc you're mentally retarded
Oh, boy, I'll surely take you seriously now. You're not providing examples for "done before" first of all. Also, where's an example of punk rock being recognized and analyzed by the academia? You've also been using emotional descriptors and personal enjoyment for describing a genre of music you like as if it's something objective. Except from energy, what are those characteristics of punk rock which make it so advanced in your eyes? Only other characteristic you've mentioned is speed at which songs are played, which implies BPM. I've pointed out that it's a ridiculous reason for over romanticizing a genre and I'm apparently mentally retarded for that. Where are you even going with all of this?

>>74118765
You're also complaining about inferior music, while being a fan of jazz and classical music and over romanticizing punk rock of all genres. Not to mention your assertion of pretentiousness being the truth. Do you realize which genres can be considered that too by many? Classical music and jazz. According to your emotional descriptors and personal enjoyment, genres you dislike are pretentious, unworthy and shouldn't be listened to.

>>74118765
>You're not providing examples for "done before" first of all.
>minimalism rock
Krautrock in general
>free jazz in rock
Henry Cow
>dub style rhythms
Also Krautrock
>Also, where's an example of punk rock being recognized and analyzed by the academia?
https://www.google.com/search?q=jstor&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=jstor&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.804j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=punk+rock+site:jstor.org

>emotional descriptors
Visceral isn't an emotional descriptor, neither is complexity of music and its focus on melody/harmony/timbre.
>Except from energy, what are those characteristics of punk rock which make it so advanced in your eyes?
I never said it was advanced, stop putting words in my mouth.
>Only other characteristic you've mentioned is speed at which songs are played, which implies BPM.
I mentioned general performance/delivery style like three times to you now.

Thanks for proving how fucking retarded you are, having me spoonfeed you. Like, you people should actually do your research and stuff, I get sick of talking no unknowledgable people, especially those so deluded they didn't even realize their initial appeal to authority was the dumbest shit.

>>74118638
Oh, boy.
>>74113942
>>74113914

>>74118931
How did punk rock rise above all of those? Just by being visceral, having a performance/delivery style you like and being a genre you happen to enjoy I guess. The link you provided features texts behind a pay wall, which makes it pointless in this discussion.

krautrock makes me fall asleep desu

>>74119089
>How did punk rock rise above all of those? Just by being visceral, having a performance/delivery style you like and being a genre you happen to enjoy I guess.
Yeah, but it's the best at that. The one thing popular music has over art music is its ability to deliver energetic music, and that's punk rock is literally the best at. You make it sound like that's easy to make hard hitting music that's good, but it's not. It requires the best timing of what the vocals/guitars and the rhythm section all do in between syncopated grooves and parts where everything play together. Not every punk rock band is good at this either, in fact most suck and use cliches (ex. open note chugging particularly on the hardcore side) in terms of making the music. It's like that one Kevin Shields quote where he said all the kids in school could do the Stairway to Heaven solo but couldn't do basic three chord rhythm punky guitar constant strums. I can attest to that because I myself used to be something like that, too when I was in grade school.
>The link you provided features texts behind a pay wall, which makes it pointless in this discussion.
If you got a college account (which I assume you do since you gotta be that old to post here to begin with) you can log in through that first. Even if you somehow happen to be old enough to have graduated, you can use your old account.

>>74113734
'Station to Station' exists

>>74114701
>Many progressive rock subgenres are getting recognized by academia for example.
do they?

>>74119380
if neu! doesn't get you pumped then I don't know what does

Most krautrock just isn't that good. Probably the most overrated genre there is.

>>74119624
it was inspired by kraftwerk
dumb bitch

>>74114701
>Many progressive rock subgenres are getting recognized by academia for example.
Nah, as other anon said it, most if not all popular music in the realm of academia is usually based on stuff like culture, economics, etc. not the music itself. There's objectively just not a lot to analyze musically with popular music.

>>74119694
future days sure didnt

is this /pseud/ general?

>>74120003
Pseuds love post-punk and krautrock though.