Why is Ragtime such an underrated genre on /mu?

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>>74100276
Show us those chompers, boy!

Ragtime paints a more vivid pictures of its era than any other genre I've heard. When I listen to Joplin I feel like it's 1900.

>>74100785
forced desu senpai

fedora-core

Because it's not underrated. There are like a hundred genres more underrated than Ragtime on /mu/.
Now, yeah, discussing Ragtime would make /mu/ better, but whatever.

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>>74101836

>rag time
>not old timey quartet like a true gentlemen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h74UXqijkYY

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Thompson Plays Joplin [Daring, 1998]

One reason Scott Joplin's rhythmic revolution comes through so faintly on record is that it was swallowed whole by the tempo of 20th-century life. Though it's true enough, as anyone who's ventured near Treemonisha knows, that Joplin craved respect, that's no reason to forgive all the concert pianists who've arted up and toned down his beat since Joshua Rifkin. With a firm hand, the man from Lake Wobegon sets them straight. His Joplin doesn't rock, swing, or anything like it. But at their most liltingly delicate these rags are set in motion, as he says, by "the same driving pulse that underlies all of America's truly original music." Marvin Hamlisch go back where you came from. A-

>>74100276
I don't think it's "underrated," as much as it's just not popular.
For now.
Maybe in a few years we'll be hearing "neo-ragtime" everywhere. Stranger things have happened.

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>>74101926
Smile, Bobby!

>>74100785
i hate how you're so fucking enthusiastic about everything

In 100 years people will hear trap the way we hear ragtime and won't understand how lit lil pump was

>>74101949
Maybe another movie like The Sting will come along and re-popularize the stuff, even though it's a little amusing that the film was set in the 1930s long after ragtime had stopped being a thing.

>>74101954
Don't forget to get behind those molars!

>>74101926
A common mistake many people make is playing Jopin's rags at 250 bpm when in most cases he intended them to be played at a leisurely tempo.

Right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-PtpGBmr5E

Wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOTAvxUH56k

>>74101953
>>74100785
kek did you JUST find out about faceapp?

>>74102116
You don't want to find out you have gingivitis! Make sure to brush twice a day for two minutes at a time! Happy brushing!

>>74102089
Huh.
I don't really know how to feel about this. It takes some getting used to, but the original way does seem to be a little more ... dignified?

>>74100785
>boy
um

>>74102322
A healthy boy brushes his teeth every day!

>>74101866
>there are more underrated genres therefore this one isn't underrated
Wut. I would at least understand an argument saying that it's comparatively not underrated but it certainly is

>>74100276
>muh bioshcok infinite tune

>>74102288
The slower tempos are meant to convey something like the feeling of a stroll through the park.

>>74100785
>JIGGABOO BRIGHT

Where my stride bruhs at?

>>74100276
probably because a black guy was its most important composer
/mu/ is really racist you know

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>>74101926
>>74101953

>>74104182
funny how a black man can compose a song but not a job application

>>74104213
fuck off

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>>74104213

>>74101866
>There are like a hundred genres more underrated than Ragtime on /mu/
The only "genres" I can imagine you're referring to are unwarranted special snowflake sub-genres.

Ragtime is def underrated. You don't hear anybody blasting ragtime driving down the street, or hear ragtime in the stock playlists at stores. It's been relegated to the status of a novelty, only dusted off and put on a caricature-ish display for silent films and other old timey turn of the century mementos. It may still be highly esteemed in an artistic/historical sense, but it's definitely underrated in these times.

>>74104217
>>74104219

>can't argue against it because it's true

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>>74102322

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>>74101836
Tfw when unironically enjoy the entertainer quite often

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWVFEVWJMz8

Don't know if this is even Ragtime but it deserves posting anyway

>>74100890
Do you think that's because of the music itself, or the fact that in movies and tv it's always playing in 1920s scenes?

>>74100785
>>74101953
this just made me laugh my ass off for some reason

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>>74104213

>>74104298
>unwarranted special snowflake sub-genres
this mentality is exactly why they're underrated

>>74101866

is that all you have to give as input lol
fuck off cancer trip

>>74105155
the song is 12th street rag. so yes.


>posting some of my favourites. i love ragtime on the guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkBD7wIaWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKTC6UcRlg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSvqseMDoEA

>ragtime on a harpsichord is fucking great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ivCWWCFa78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbuocuBHP4Y

>>74100785
>>>/face/book

>>74105225
The music definitely

favorite Vess Ossman track?

Lol @ the retards that think that ragtime is a 1920's thing

Ragtime came from cakewalk (In the 1880's which turned into ragtime which the peak popularity was the 1890's to early 1910's.

Originally ragtime was considered to be a degenerate and offensive genre of music. Singers like Len Spencer and George W. Johnson made outragious pop songs, that glorified love and were often about black people (coon songs.)

Scott Joplin is generally considered to be the first linking of popular music with that of classical. Joplin was classically trained and wrote rags with multipul melodies and heavy syncopation. Other contemporary artists, like banjo player Vess Ossman were playin simple melodies with straightforward compositions.

Later it was killed by jazz.

https://www.discogs.com/fr/Claude-Bolling-Ragtime-Boogie-Woogie-Jazz-Classics/release/6018284

I've been blasting this shit during all my childhood, it's really great !

>>74101866
Can you fuck off into your own asshole? Thanks.

>>74110858
She's right though. Behold the truth, summerfag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9IkpUYlOx8

>>74110961
No, she's not. She's making music into a competition. Fuck you.

>>74111857
So promote actual music no-one's heard of. FURB.

It's a severely out-of-fashion genre, so most people don't really have much experience with it. And those that do typically arrive at it through a nostalgic lens or treat it as music that "evokes an era" (a la >>74100890) because of its relation to movies/&c that take place in the pre-WWII past. Which I find annoying and simplistic towards the music, but I also eat junk food and don't mind what food snobs think, so hey.

It's also a bit overrated in its influence, which isn't to say it wasn't still hugely influential and a rich genre. But people like >>74100890 making overblown claims like "Scott Joplin is generally considered to be the first linking of popular music with that of classical" don't know what they're talking about, and are typically out of touch with the concept of "popular music" history, particularly its origins. Some of the earliest forms of popular music (as it's defined, particularly distinguished from folk/indigenous music) were parlor music pieces that existed before that line was drawn. The relation has ebbed and flowed through the ages (and arguably still does), and Joplin does deserve recognition for bringing them closer at his point in history, but not in a "did it first" respect.

This "overrated" reception is mainly because American popular music before that is either pathetically derivative (with respect to European influence) or embarrassingly racist for modern tastes (minstrel music, "coon songs," and so on), and thus people downplay those styles and emphasize later developments like ragtime that are novel in a musical sense and uncontroversial in a political one.

I'm basically writing all this to say, don't listen to it based on those reasons noted above. You're doing the genre a disservice. Appreciate its intricacy and expression, just like you would any other style music. Don't make it the ambient soundtrack for some turn-of-the-last-century fantasy, or pat yourself on the back for listening to "historically important" music.

>>74104298
>unwarranted special snowflake sub-genres
>says while talking about Ragtime
fucking lol

Also, this guy gets it >>74108036

I bet you are a disgusting burger anyways

>>74113328
ntpb you're making a really faulty equivalence comparing ragtime to contemporary subgenres, which in many cases are fleeting and hyper-specific instances of a larger genre. Ragtime is neither, and it'd be more accurate to compare ragtime with hip-hop as far as popularity and depth go. You're making that error because ragtime's popularity and significance is buried under a century of dust and now seems esoteric because its fanbase has dwindled down to nerds and scholars.

>>74113542
>you're making a really faulty equivalence comparing ragtime to contemporary subgenres
>contemporary
Cite where did I ever say anything about contemporary.

All of the other shit you posted is irrelevant.

>>74112744
>(a la >>74100890 (You)) because of its relation to movies/&c that take place in the pre-WWII past
>>74105225
>>74109301

>>74113621
You didn't, it's an implicit property of subgenres. And we could compromise and simply cast out "contemporary" from my post and the content is unchanged. Cute deflection though, looking forward to your actual response :)

>>74108790
The ones played on guitar remind me of Django Reindhart's jazz (cant recall how they call the subgenre, something like gypsy jazz?)

Also, could anyone tell me how to play this one
https://youtu.be/uXkMs6GfYLw

I have a terrible ear and cant figure the chords out. I play piano btw

>>74113663
I'd argue that the "music of its era" perception is still heavily framed by movies and TV. There were countless other genres around the turn of the century, and yet the soundtrack trope for that era (especially depicting urban America) is ragtime.

>>74113771
>You didn't, it's an implicit property of subgenres
Alright, you are a retard.

>we could compromise and simply cast out "contemporary" from my post and the content is unchanged
Except that would be wrong.

Go make a proper argument or don't bother replying to my post again.

>>74114329
Funny how conveniently brief your rebuttals are, it's like you're a kneejerk contrarian without any critical thinking skills to back your bullshit up :)

>>74114482
>Funny how conveniently brief your rebuttals are
Are you sure?

>you're making a really faulty equivalence comparing ragtime to contemporary subgenres
>contemporary

I'm not the one who falsely implied I was talking about contemporary subgenres. You are using faulty logic here. So either make a new proper argument or don't bother at all.

>>74100276
because jazz ate ragtime

its fun but gets pretty boring after a while

>>74100785
BOY YOU BEST SMILE FOR THIS DAGUERROTYPE

>>74114643
Your entire presence in this thread is superficial noise. Feel free to leave with some smug sense of "winning the argument" or whatever cheap thrill you clearly desire, but I'm done replying to you because you obviously have nothing substantive to say.

>>74114844
>I'm done replying to you because you obviously have nothing substantive to say.
Idem

giving a shout-out to my man Albert Ammons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-5G8BcnRGM

>tfw want to buy the sheets for $15 but don't want to spend the better part of a year learning a song

>>74100785
Based smileposter

>>74101953
Based smileposter

>>74100276
Why don't you tell us all about it, suggest some names for us to check out.

>>74104213
Good goy.
/pol post get /pol answers.

>>74102089
:3 Pretty nice. Loved to play The Entertainer as a child.

>>74100276
Joplin (underrated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukgWU6JCZkg

>>74109502
I'd said that earlier in here. The Sting is set in the 1930s yet amusingly enough uses ragtime in the soundtrack when the stuff was long dead. Ragtime began in the 1890s, peaked in the 1900s, and died out by WWI. Scott Joplin died in 1917 and by the 1920s, jazz had replaced ragtime.