Is this the greatest jazz album of all time?

No, but probably over the last 10, maybe even 20 years.

>>74088267
if you're a 20 year old white suburban male then most likely

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>>74088267
>hey Im so into jazz! BBNG, Kamazi Washington, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, the list goes on

>>74088282
This

There are loads of better albums every year but this one blew up because of all the contacts this guy has and how dumbed down it is

>>74088267
No, absolutely not. Too much filler.

>>74088267
If it had been edited to just an hour it could have maybe been a 6/10. Proper mixing might even bump it up to a 7. Kamasi's playing is pretty below average though and the rest of the band's isn't much better so that's really the best I could ever see it being.

It's marketed toward people who don't care how good the soloing is and probably can't tell bad from good soloing anyway. These people are impressed by the album's length and undeserved grandiosity, so of course they would consider this one the best.

>>74088313
>hey man you like thing that's gay

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No, it's pretty mediocre actually.
Pic related would be my pick

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>>74088624
Strong pick anon, pic related would be mind. Perfect playing, perfect solos, killer lineup. Can't go wrong.

LOL no when you've listened to a lot of jazz you can tell it's boring as fuck comparatively

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>>74088665
This is also a great one if you liked 'Mosaic'

>>74088554
>Yeah REAL jazz fans only listen to jazz with intentionally shitty cover art and "interesting harmonies" and "clever solos" that plebs wouldn't understand

>>74088753
if you can't appreciate monk you are a whack pleb no way around it

Kamasi's album was interesting to me when I first heard it but I got bored of it very quickly. But I literally play Monk's Round Midnight alone on repeat for as long as Kamasi's album goes. Cuz it's fucking great

>>74088753
You need to stop posting. Free and spiritual jazz can be great when done well. So can bebop, hard bop, and post bop. But your anti-intellectualism and aggressive shitposting is just feeding the whole "rockist" meme and actually starting to validate it.

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this

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>>74088704
Indestructible is great too, considering picking up music matters pressing of it from my record store.

I'm a fan of basically any album Art Blakey lead s on. But also a lot of he was featured on, pic related is my a close favourite, tied with Soul Station.

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art blakey thread

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>>74088997
but why doesn't /mu/ like Horace Silver that much

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>>74089039
Probably just haven't been exposed enough to his music, especially the music he wrote - other than Song for My Father.
I've always loved The Cape Verdean Blues, even some of his earlier work is fantastic as well like 6 Pieces of Silver.
Easily one of the piano greats in Jazz.

everyone knows the greatest is black saint

>>74088753
Wow, some people like music with substance. Unfathomable, I know.

I never understood why this album id popular, its just sub-standard jazz

>>74089039
Horace Silver's tunes and arrangements were better than most of the Jazz Messenger's material (though some of Shorter's tunes for them are up there with the best of Silver's) but the Jazz Messengers always had the better players, especially the Hubbard/Shorter/Fuller lineup.

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>>74088753
>intentionally shitty cover art

wew lad, that's how I know you've never listened to Jazz. Jazz album art is incredible, especially Blue Note.

>>74089295
It's because of his collaborations.
>Kendrick Lamar
>Thundercat
>Flying Lotus
>Run the Jewels

>>74088267
It's okay, 7-10.

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>>74089295
It's relatively simplified in technique so it's easy to enjoy with limited exposure to Jazz. Plus indieheads (Most likely audience to say The Epic is a masterpiece) is easy to trick with its length, plus they see Jazz released in 2015 as a niche thing and a rare occurrence. Despite most of the album is fairly bland, uncreative and filler with sub par playing throughout.

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>>74089308
Can you rec me something similar to that album, i have been enjoying it a lot and i want more.

>>74089308
Pretty sure he's talking about jtg-core modern type stuff. A lot of the good modern jazz does have bad cover art.

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>>74089392
Sure
Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk
Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame
Johnny Griffin - Introducing Johnny Griffin

All great albums for fans of Saxophone Colossus in my eyes.
If you want to continue with Sonny Rollins though, Newk's Time and Tenor Madness are some of my personal favourites he wrote.

>>74089479
Thanks alot, will check those.

Hey bros, I'm a jazz noob, can somebody recommend me some smooth jazz? I just wanna chill with some brandy a cig.

>>74089970
>not "I'm 15 and I fucking love jazz"

>>74088267
No, but it's great

>>74090023
I like this one better honestly. But it's got an age restriction. Needa cover the college age kids and Scaruffi types as well.

>>74089970
black saint and the sinner lady is actually considered a great jazz album though

>>74090102
By whom?

>>74090133
Scaruffi

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>>74089859
Smooth Jazz is honestly a pretty wank style of Jazz. Cool is probably better suited to what you are looking for, and for that go with Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' and The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out.

>>74089970
Pretty funny, kind of scary how true this actually is. Can't forget Kind of Blue though, the king token Jazz albums.

I don't agree with the OP but this brings up a question i've been wanting to ask: what are some contemporary jazz albums/artists that are actually innovating jazz?

>>74090166

Thanks!

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>>74088267
That album is just like you got into Jazz

>>74090232
Honestly, I can't say there a lot worth writing home about. It's all Indie-heads tier Jazz (Kamasi, Flying Lotus, BBNG) most of the modern stuff I listen to that is actually remotely interesting if free-jazz like Mats Gustafsson. Other than a few free-jazz records I honestly can't say anything has really impressed me or innovated Jazz in any way.

>>74090314
Jazz Hop?

>>74090133
jazz critics? it was highly regarded even when it came out. that doesnt make it automatically great, but it's hardly a poseur album.

>>74090340
>it was highly regarded even when it came out.
By whom? Name a critic or you're talking out of your ass.

>>74090232
Steve Lehman, David Virelles, Vijay Iyer

>>74090340
Nope. Downbeat didn't 5/5 it at the time of release.

>>74089970
I agree with the your sentiment but imo all these albums are fine.

Sure, not among the greats but still better than most shit that gets put out.

>>74090365
downbeat gave it a 4/5

>>74090365
>pretending the black saint and the sinner lady isn't acclaimed


you're trying too hard m8

>>74090232
The line between jazz and classical continues to be blurred even further. Guys like Henry Threadgill and Wadada Leo Smith are doing this in an "Ornette Coleman meets Gyorgy Ligeti/Brian Ferneyhough" sorta way.

There's also sort of a resurgence of stuff like African/Latin inspired jazz with guys like David Virelles and Yosvany Terry where it's not just like a jazz fusion gimmick, but totally different approaches to how percussion is treated in jazz, period.

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>>74090480
They give a lot of things 4/5
case in point:

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>>74090526
>downbeat gave it a 4/5 instead of a 5/5 at release time
Like...I don't see how that's not proof the album's definitely not given masterpiece status. Most other well lauded classics got a 5/5.

>>74089970
>I'm on /mu/ and liking good entry level albums means I'm better than you edition

>>74090562
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Saint_and_the_Sinner_Lady

seems pretty acclaimed

it's definitely not the archetypal jazz album, though

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>>74088313
>bbng is jazz

>>74089970

Are we seriously at a point on that /mu/ is so pretentious it's trying to make fun of BSatSL?

Jazz

>>74090693
The only one of those from release time shows a 4/5. Not acclaimed fully. There's that Q review as well. It's nowhere near the kind of acclaim something like Kind Of Blue, A Love Supreme, etc. have gotten.

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Is this a Jazz album?

I just hate you all so much.

>>74091095
no

>>74091109
Np :)

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What is everyone listening to on this Saturday night?

Pic related for me, been on a bit of Hank Mobley train recently and dippin' is just incredible. On my 3rd play of the day.

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>>74091390
It's 2 pm for me but I'm listening to this

>>74091483
Good Choice! That recording of The Ghetto is incredible to listen to, the audience is so alive and energetic.

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>>74090216
wrong

>>74091390
A Love Supreme. I always come back to it, whereas something like The Epic I listen to for a short period and then never again

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>>74091390
listening to some 2017 releases tonight - currently Kirk Knuffke's Cherryco, a pretty cool Don Cherry tribute, check if out if you're a fan of Cherry's trumpet playing (Orient/Organic Music Society fans that I think we have some of here may be disappointed, though)

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>>74091662
I've personally never enjoyed A Love Supreme as say Giant Steps or Blue train - or even some of John Coltrane's live albums - But I get what you're saying, I always some how find myself coming back to John Coltrane, his playing is so timeless and fresh no matter how many times you listen to his music. The Epic on the other hand, when it first came out I was genuinely excited and gave it two may be strong, hard and focused listens, I haven't really thought about the record since it first came out. It never managed to "wow" me like some Coltrane or Mobley albums still manage to do.

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>>74091633
wrong

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>>74091775
wrong

>>74091775
eh, I prefer Maiden Voyage myself, but ultimately I think Herbie's greatest accomplishment was being an iconic player in multiple styles

Any other Europeans catch Herbie on tour this summer yet? wasn't too thrilled with it - Terrace Martin was just basically there to lend his name to the band (although he played sax a little better than I expected), basically a bunch of Head Hunters and later 70's funky nostalgia - didn't promise much for the upcoming album (if they ever finish it), old hits like Actual Proof, Chameleon and Cantaloupe Island were the only thing that really got the audience going. Any new stuff didn't stick at all basically.

>>74091894
I wish he would come to where I live but it sounds like from what you said that the audience only likes the Jazz Funk stuff was his other stuff good?

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>>74091809
Wrong

>>74091390
Henry Threadgill Sextett- You Know the Number
but its also 345pm for me and im just putting off shedding.

>>74092192
it was all done in the same stadium-type jazz-funk style, just the old tunes were more memorable

>>74092388
also I figured out during the gig that I really don't enjoy Vinnie Colaiuta's drumming that much - yeah, he's clearly a professional, skillful studio musician and his drumming scales up to basically any size outdoor arena even, but for me when he comes into a band, it's a sign that the quality of albums is about to go down drastically, if not immediately at least on the following albums when he's in the band - works for Zappa (Joe's Garage), Joni Mitchell (Wild Things Run Fast) and Sting/The Police (Ten Summoner's Tales)

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>>74092226
wrong

>>74088313
>"Yeah, I love underground jazz, you ever heard of this band called Snarky Puppy?"

>>74091617
one of the best live recordings ever I think

>>74088267

YEEEESSS.......YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>74090955
but the point is that it's highly regarded... even if it's less acclaimed than kind of blue

>>74094870
The point was that it's not considered a masterpiece. Even the other post shows that getting a 4/5 isn't tough at Downbeat, so it should've been the easy five. But it wasn't standout even in its time to get the five.

>>74089970
anyone who iv'e seen that doesn't listen to jazz but likes the cowboy bebop ost usually doesn't claim to "love jazz". they're usually either talking about how much they love the ost in particular, or asking for more music that sounds similar.

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>>74088267
Can any blessed soul from this Thread rec me some sad-core jazz albums?

>>74095342
Go to any other jazz track with a ton of views on YouTube like Moanin or one of the Whiplash tracks. See the comments.

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>>74095711
Here's some super dark-core

>>74095772
>free jazz
Are there more stuff that are not free jazz, sorry for being such a pleb

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>>74095879
That's ok that album isn't exactly easy to listen to for anyone - how about this - one of my fave albums and beautiful and melancholy in equal measure

>>74095912
Thanks anon for the recs, Sing me a song of songmy is great aswell, sorry i only looked up the subgenre and didnt gave it a try.

>>74090232
jazz has been pretty stagnant for a while imo

some unbelievable players in the business but it feels like everything has been done

we need another dizzy to shake things up

>>74088267
assuming this isn't bait, no, it really isn't

>>74088309
this isn't either

>>74096443
kamasi might be good for jazz then, even if he isn't the best. he's got so much attention it might stir up some inspiration and competition as musicians realize people DO still like jazz and there is still money to be made.

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>>74095912

this is the superior bill evans kino

>>74096664
I wonder how many people actually listened to the whole album though? I love jazz and I didn't manage it...

>>74096664
That's all wrong though. I'd rather have Jazz remain a small, niche genre that doesn't make much money than have it become a commercial enterprise that panders to the lowest common denominator and rewards shoddy musicianship.

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>>74088282
>>74088478

mfw you guys are adorable

>>74088282
>implying anyone else even listens to jazz, apart from white NPR listeners

>>74096775
jazz will more than likely never be a huge commercial enterprise and that's not what I was implying would happen. it just needs a kick in the ass, and SOME attention, like the kind kamasi washington has, could generate another age of awesome jazz music.

it's not like he's massively mainstream or something. he's never going to have jay-z or beyonce money.

>>74096941
I disagree. Jazz doesn't need either of those things. The genre has become better as it has become less and less commercial. What most people assume is a lack of innovation is actually just a lack of definable large "movements" among jazz artists. In other words more jazz artists are finding their own unique sound rather than following the sounds of others and the genre is less homogeneous as a whole.

There's nothing wrong with popularity but artists shouldn't have to dumb down their music or create a superficial image in order to achieve it. The Epic's popularity is one of the biggest indicators that jazz should stay a small, niche genre.

>>74097291
>The genre has become better as it has become less and less commercial

I don't see how you can prove this or even justify this statement considering the golden age of jazz (when it was actually pretty fashionable/popular) had some the best players that have played or will play.

>>74096723
Yeah it's really great - and Undercurrent is another of my favourites

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>>74097611

also something I can appreciate about billy is how this came out last year despite being recorded 50 years ago and it still sounds fantastic and ageless.

fuck i wish i had gotten the vinyl before they sold out

>>74097476
That's wrong though. Jazz was at the height of its popularity in the 30s and early 40s until the advent of bebop. Ever since then it has been dropping in popularity as it became more and more an art music.

It's even easy to see in the brief "resurgences" in popularity that jazz has had- first with fusion then with smooth jazz, both of which found some mainstream success but were typically met with skepticism and derision from jazz critics and players who didn't see the need for popularity and commercial viability.

The same thing is happening now, but with hip hop. Of course there is some good jazz fusion and even good smooth jazz. There is good jazz/hip hop fusion as well, but Kamasi is not it.

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>>74088267
Smile, Kamasi!

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>The greatest jazz record of all time was made by a man from outerspace

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>>74097899
You're right! Dunno why you posted that album though

>>74095754
im talking strictly about the people who like the cowboy bebop ost. i cant speak for the others

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>>74088267
death grips is jazz now