Why doesn't /mu/ ever talk about jazz?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4PxX88KN8&list=PLVrBAaxUuHtwDTwhn5OKEyrwtqw6-nBnd&index=55&t=1s

Are the blindfold threads still a thing?

jazz is primarily a live genre of music and this board mostly consists of rockists who circlejerk "muh albums." also it's not as fashionable to like jazz as it is to like trap rap

>>73971498
there are jazz threads all the time.

i even stated a ben riley thread like a week ago

>no one posted in it
>no one ever posts in my threads

>>73971639

>jazz is primarily a live genre of music

even if this is true, there are literally like, at least several hundred studio jazz albums worth listening to

It's temporary. /mu/ is going to be a hellhole for a while though

>>73971770
its not true.

didnt know snoop dog was on this
regards,

>>73971639
Literally all jazz post-1959 is rockist though

>>73971498
As much as i love jazz, there's not much to talk about it on here, since you can't really meme on it, say how creepy/warm atmosphere is or how cryptic/edgy/feelsy lyrics are

>>73971728
When was the last time one got more than 50 replies? (Bait threads don't count)

>>73971599
No. Literally the only good threads on /mu/ and they died because of lack of interest.

because this site is filled with white supremacists

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Because you all talk about shit pleb jazz. But if you want to talk real jazz i'm here.

>>73972154
>posts picture of literal memejazz

>>73972181
You make pleb spotting too easy.

>>73972197
>yeah man gypsy jazz is real jazz, fuck that gay bebop and post-bop lol

Rockist as fuck

>>73972225
bebop is more rockist than gypsy

>>73972238
You are wrong

Jazz is a niche genre here. There's usually a general thread up, but aside from that you're not gonna find much jazz discussion.

This board is 95% "indie" and rap now. There are probably more threads dedicated to grimes, death grips, kendrick lamar, and kanye on an average day than all other artists combined.

>>73972259
Wow you sure got me.

>>73972145
/mu/ is now /pol/ 2.0

/x/ saw it coming but couldn't do anything

>>73972270
It's even worst than that. We're at a point where the political beliefs of an artist is a legitimate argument in a musical discussion. It seems like the most active threads aren't the ones about music but the ones where people can vent their frustration.

>>73972089
Grimshit

>>73972089
be the /mu/ you desire.

of course, then we all get banned...

>>73971498
Because faggots like jazzthreadgay and his brigade of dicksuckers discourage anybody from talking about jazz unless they listen to the same vanilla post bop shit he does can explain the theory behind it and call everyone else rockist

>>73971498
all instrumental music is basically ignored because nobody is even capable of discussing music beyond just the lyrics. I know there is /classical/ too but honestly that thread is a joke.

>>73971498
>jazzthreadguy dead
>jazzpossu dead
>nuff nuff dead
why bother with /mu/ anymore?

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>>73972922
ive never seen this happen

why would you get angry about something someone says on the internet anonymously (unless they are actually slandering you personally)?

>>73974356
im here

i do the j benitampax freestyle bars and make dope gifs and frequently get bannd for my antidrumpf political opinions


oh and i posted the ben riley thread

>no one posted in it
>no one ever posts in my threads

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>>73971498
Theres only like 5 or 6 guys on mu that seem to know it generally on the same level as each other. So most jazz threads are just those same guys talking about what they saw recently or something and then they die. Sometimes someone who thinks they know shit but doesnt at all comes it and more or less ruins the thread. Cool n00bs rarely show up to ask questions but its pretty rare. Reccing n00bs shit they ended up really loving is kinda the only part of jazz threads i like though ive found a few nice albums in them and changed someones mind about monk once which made me happy. Also ppl will ask me what im up to which is cool. They never get enough replies cause theyre really discussion driven with no memes and after the same jazzfags all say about 2 interesting things the threads just die.

>>73975029
>>73975318
im the faggot who say charles gayle at the knit - we chatted some thread ago.
hi nuffers

>>73975489
*saw

>>73972089
this /meta/ jazz thread has 30 replies

>>73975536
sorry.
thats mostly me.

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>>73974356
>im not dead, i just smell funny
actually i think all three of us just post anonymously now because you get more replies and 4chan is more fun when people arent taking you seriously or you aren taking yourself seriously. so keep bothering with /mu/.
>>73975489
hey man, whats up? thats pretty sick, do you live in NY/go to other free jazz shows often? Gayle is a madman, i was revisiting this recently. fucking blistering.
>>73972922
as much respect as i have for jazz thread guy, i can say with 100% honesty i have never discouraged people for not listening to the shit he listens to, mostly cause i dont listen to (or frankly like) a lot of that shit. but he does know his shit and has way more dedication and shit to like reviewing and cataloging, i do none of that. except my friend asked me to review his record a few weeks ago.

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>>73972181
>Django Reinhardt
>memejazz
what

all jazz is pretentious derivative bullshit, that's why

>>73976305
all music is pretentious derivative bullshit

>>73976347
not true
there is one genre that isn't

>>73976352
dubstep

>>73972181
just because a bunch of people acknowledge that something is good doesn't mean it's bad you child

here faggots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-aDFlMIglg

enjoy ben riley's amazing phrasing

>>73971498
I know I sound like a normie for saying this, but I'm still in love with this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZCe7ou3kY

>>73972922
Name one post-bop album that can be described as "vanilla"

who are your favorite
>sax
>trumpet
>bass
>piano
>drums
on jazz?
mine are
>Ayler or Shorter
>Hubbard
>Scott LaFaro
>either Taylor, Tatum or Curtis Clark
>tie between Sunny Murray, Art Blakey, Hamid Drake and Max Roach
>>73971498
Taylor is a fucking god and that album is incredible

>>73974356
I anonpost something relatively regularly - it's not like there's much actual conversation so it's not very useful for knowing who individuals are

here's a little trip report from the Pori Jazz festival for the international jazz groups I saw last weekend:

>Julian Lage Trio
Felt more country-influenced than I thought based on the Arclight-album. Pretty nice, relaxed guitar jazz with some more abstract and experimental moments too. Lage reminded me of Pat Metheny in the way that he has a lot of chops and plays a lot of fast runs and such, but doesn't seem like a show-off at all while doing it.

>Bill Frisell Trio
Kind of a low-key campfire jam type set - not as overly nostalgic as his latest albums, but still kind of a Frisell-nostalgia trip with relaxed versions of tunes he's recorded in the past 20 years. Highlight was the ending where they first played the saccharine Bacharach tune What the World Need Now Is Love, followed by a world-music flavored track from The Intercontinentals album and then followed up with a cool mash-up of the two.

>Ambrose Akinmusire Quartet
This was just great, very intense and chaotic at times even with Sam Harris on piano going all Cecil Taylor. I didn't really warm up to the new live album that much, but this was a great experience.

>>73978186

>Yussef Dayes Presents Black Focus
So Yussef Kamaal has split up with the parts of the duo having their own bands. Drummer Dayes' set was pretty much for me a more interesting version of Snarky Puppy or Robert Glasper Experiment, although I didn't like it as much as the album.

>Herbie Hancock
A little bit of a disappointment - Herbie's quintet mainly played Head Hunters -era style jazz-funk, any new stuff didn't stand out at all, but audience was happy to hear Chameleon, Actual Proof & Cantaloupe Island. Lionel Loueke on guitar was good, Terrace Martin didn't really add much, so if someone was waiting for great things with Herbie teaming up with a young leading hiphop producer, doesn't look like that's happening.

>The Bad Plus
I haven't seen Ethan Iverson play piano live before - he felt pretty flegmatic and uninterested, especially compared to drummer Dave King who was very animated at times. Left me thinking that maybe the parting of ways between Iverson and the others (Orrin Evans will come in as a replacement) is for the best.

>Shabaka & The Ancestors
This was very strong at times - Shabaka Hutchings was a great soloist in the spiritual jazz tradition and the African rhythms and grooves were strong. Unlike the album there was also an overt political and socially conscious element brought by vocalist Siyabonga Mthembu chanting.

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>tfw you always browse jazz threads but never post because too entry-level/meme taste and no knowledge of music theory.
>you have to either shitpost or watch them die

>>73972145
Yeah it's so sad, I just want to get away from politics for once

>>73972145
or maybe black music is not that good.
frankly the only black genre i like is disco circa 1976-1984

>>73978885
>or maybe black music is not that good.
Uh, we're in a jazz thread?
>frankly the only black genre i like is disco circa 1976-1984
You like disco, that just settles it then, right? All other genres of music are worthless.

>>73978186
>Ambrose Akinmusire quartet
were they playing together at least? That's what I didn't like about the album was that it basically sounded like they were all just absorbed in what they were playing and not listening to each other.

>>73971498
I think a lot people would have some fun with Sun Ra, Muhal Richard Abrams and John Zorn
- if you want to still count them as jazz

Here, have some summer village nostalgia tier based jazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZQZrRa8ar4

>>73979126
I thought it worked much better live - in comparison the live album sounds more like a mess, even though there is still that chaotic element to them live, too.

>>73978186
>>73978402
Cool stuff. Anybody else see any cool shows at festivals this year?

Yeah you guys wonder why jazz threads don't happen when even the thread about jazz threads gets to be this much of a buzzword laden dick measuring contest. Nice job

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>>73977257
>Pharoah Sanders/Eric Dolphy/Jackie Mclean
>Woody Shaw/Don Ellis
>McCoy Tyner
>Charles Mingus/Jimmy Garrison
>Max Roach/Elvin Jones

>>73977257
>>73979576
>lumping alto and tenor sax together
why

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>>73979374
Not at a festival but I just saw Alex Sipiagin at Smalls with Seamus Blake, John Escreet, Boris Kozlov, and Donald Edwards. Amazing show, I'd much rather see them in that kind of setting than at a festival anyway. I always liked John Escreet but seeing him live I have to think he's one of the best younger pianists around.

>>73979374
farmers by nature with darius jones was probably my highlight this year. i also saw pharoah a few weeks ago. i see a looootof live jazz so i think im forgetting something.

>>73977257
>alto: eric dolphy - anthony braxton
>tenor: john coltrane - gato barbieri
>trumpet: bill dixon
>bass: charles mingus
>piano: mal waldron
>drums: rashied ali

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What's a jazz record that has even more prominent electronic parts like the ones in pic? Exception To The Rule only has like one every other track. But the electronic parts are my favorite on this record.

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>>73971498
reminder that jazz is degenerate music

>>73981588
He was criticizing jazz of the 40's, when jazz was pop music.

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Hello
I'm new to jazz
I really love this album called "west coast jazz" by Stan getz quarter
And I like the sound of this one song called "love is here to stay" from the album
I'm looking for more in the same sound but I dont know where to start
Any help?

>>73982058
Here is a play list I made of songs that I would love to know more of and other artists that sound the same any help would be appreciated
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaG4QkJHBD4TvuVCIOE845SnjkVOb9i5L

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>>73981515

>>73981978
Jazz music wasn't pop music, it was jazz music. He criticized bebop as much as he did big band music.

>>73982104
Check out stan getz with the oscar peterson trio. Also chet baker sings. Also miles davis my funny valentine. If you can find it, paul bley-ballads.

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Jazz is nice

who has some jazz records similar to this style?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKBRyNNW3u0

who /bossanova/ here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KpIV57PSeo&t=304s

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>>73971498
We never talk about jazz because it's dead
Grimes took jazz and made it better
Thus, jazz is obsolete

>>73971498
Because there's like 10 dudes who actually knwo there shit, 15 people who like jazz but don't know enough to keep up with the first group, 100 people who want to know how to get into jazz.


>>73972922
Being a trip is pretty dumb, but how can you fault a guy for sharing and pushing discussion of music that he likes? Isn't that the whole point of online forums?

>>73979421
>thinks people using a specialised language for a discipline is bad
I guess you aren't very good at anything then.

>>73983182
I don't remember criticizing jargon in general but when you can't even have a thread about why jazz doesn't get discussed more without a shitstorm of people just calling each other fags and rockists reflexively it would seem the question answers itself. You don't have to be "very good" to perform that analysis but if it really helps you: you're smarter than me. Congrats you can now go be superior somewhere else.

I keep seeing the word "rockist" being thrown around. Is this the new buzzword?

>>73983489
You're speaking as if every thread on 4chan doesn't turn into a shitstorm with people calling each other fags and buzzwords.

>>73983491
It's basically the equivalent of "cuck" for jazzcore edgelords

>>73972136
Tbf, there were people interested, a lot of us were just busy. I don't think anyone who was participating felt anything but enthusiasm for them.

>>73983529
I really don't see how that means threads centered around an already marginalized genre shouldnt try to improve on that. There's arguments in shoegaze threads sure but last I looked (and I mean that sincerely, maybe the atmosphere has changed) it was mostly just spaced out nerds sharing links. Jazz threads are just a bunch of white dorks gatekeeping around a historically black genre in a perpetual competition to be the next insufferable "music authority" that no normal person has ever heard of.

>>73982638
there's a group called Dale Cooper & the Dictaphones that does music like this

>>73983753
You're not wrong, but there are tons of threads on 4chan that suffer from the same buzzword-spouting, dick-measuring problems as /jazz/ that get lots of replies.

That's not to say that getting replies makes a thread good, but OP was talking about how often it's discussed not the quality of the threads.

>>73979739
I watched that show on stream. I enjoyed the shit out of it. Was happy to see them play Videlles since that bassline just kills.
>>73983664
Yeah I was in this boat. I'd often miss them because I was busy and then browse through them afterwards. The ones I did participate in I really enjoyed.

>>73984501
I'm glad somebody saw the stream. It was a great show. Did you see the Friday or the Saturday night show? On Friday night in the second set Seamus Blake went nuts in the first tune and played for like 6 minutes. Then they came back in with the interlude like they were going to go to the piano solo but Alex just waved Seamus to keep blowing so he kept playing for another few minutes. He was on fire.

>>73971498
Cecil Taylor is Third Stream.

>>73985327
I watched both. Seamus went hard on quite a few tunes honestly. I think for some reason on both nights his playing just jumped up a notch of intensity in the second set. I don't remember the name of alto player who sat in on Saturday (I think) but he was impressive, especially in one tune where he traded with Escreet for a while. I'm gonna watch the Ari Hoenig stream tonight as well.

>>73983753
Jazz threads had non-existent gatekeeping though wtf are you on about? In fact they are less that way than the rest of /mu/ (never has anyone been shat on by jazz thread regulars for "Davis, Coltrane, Mingus, the list goes on")

>>73985532
Oh shit an alto player sat in on Saturday? Was it Dave Binney? I couldn't go to that show or watch the stream.

I'm not sure but I think one or several of the players went out and smoked weed between sets. I noticed that the intensity level definitely went up from the whole band in the second set on Friday.

>>73985566
fucking this. jazz threads seem to be the most helpful and welcoming of newcomers (maybe due to the fact that the genre has such a small user base on /mu/). the only other threads on /mu/ that had such a welcoming and helpful user base were the memphis hip hop threads but those are RIP

You could always just start jazz threads yourself instead of starting threads bitching about how no one else is doing it.

>>73976352
dreamfunk

>>73985608
I think it was Will Vinson, but I'm unsure. It definitely wasn't Dave Binney.

That's hilarious. I don't know if that was what did it but it definitely seemed like the band gelled better on the second set. I will say that the interactions between Edwards and Escreet were on point the whole way through.

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Since we're talking bout jazz, I recently discovered 'ECM Jazz', or at least the record label. Something like an answer to free jazz, which I dislike mostly. Found a lot of decent records from the this and last year.

>>73985755
Ah Vinson would make sense. I'm glad I didn't miss Binney at least. Binney played with Sipiagin last time he was at Smalls back in December or around that time and he fucking killed it.

Escreet is doing this really cool thing where he gets into stuff that sounds really abstracted and out of time, but then he somehow lands right back in time perfectly with the rest of the rhythm section. I don't know that I've heard any other pianists who do it as well as he does. He's cool too because he definitely has a ridiculous amount of technique but will do a lot of very free stuff too.

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Thoughts on cool jazz?

>>73986023
Dave Brubeck is lame. Lennie Tristano and his "school" is incredible and it's one of those things the world wasn't ready for then and it's not ready for now. Like Beethoven's late quartets, even.

>>73984457
Doesn't one play into the other?

>>73985566
Let's cruise around this very thread
>tfw you always browse jazz threads but never post because too entry-level/meme taste and no knowledge of music theory
>Sometimes someone who thinks they know shit but doesnt at all comes it and more or less ruins the thread. Cool n00bs rarely show up to ask questions but its pretty rare.
>jazz is primarily a live genre of music and this board mostly consists of rockists who circlejerk "muh albums."
>you all talk about shit pleb jazz. But if you want to talk real jazz i'm here.

Just in this thread. I'm not making claims about if it's more or less than in the rest of /mu/ or that everyone is like that. And listen, I'm happy to be proved wrong on this.

>>73985769
There's some really underrated albums on ECM, check out Tomasz Stanko - Balladyna

>>73986110
>>73986110
>Doesn't one play into the other?
You'll have to be more specific

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>>73985769
This one, friend.

ECM saved music.

>>73986023
A lot of the West Coast guys were doing more creative and artistic stuff than their East Coast brothers in the mid-to-late 50s. Chico Hamilton, MJQ, Jimmy Giuffre were all making a lot more creative music than what most of the hard boppers were doing at the same time. Brubeck too, and to a lesser extent Mulligan, even though they're probably the best known.

>>73986138
Substandard quality would lead to less quantity

/jazz/ threads are some of the most helpful to newcomers to the genre who approach things with an open mind and are eager to learn.

/jazz/ is also probably one of the most unforgiving to idiots who listened to a couple jazz albums and come into the threads acting like they know everything.

If you come in acting like a berry then the jazzfags will have no problem knocking you down a few pegs, but if you can discuss things like an adult /jazz/ is really pretty tolerant, even when people have differing opinions.

>>73986056
Interesting, I'll check him out.

>>73986245
I wouldn't simplify it that far, but you're right to a degree. Most of 4chan's userbase is only here to shitpost, and if people don't fall for their bait they'll go to more easily triggerable threads. most /jazz/ people aren't gunna fall for "STUPID NIGGER MUSIC RACE TRAITOR" rhetoric

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>>73986133
I heard December Avenue, nice to follow it up with something older. Thanks
>>73986154
Better than what free jazz offered, in any case. Thanks for the rec.

I really liked this one, long before I knew about ECM.

>>73985859
I saw that stream as well and I agree, Binney was great. Escreet really impressed me on the whole. I hadn't really heard him play all that much before, especially not in a live setting, but some of his solos blew me away.

>>73976751
did ANYONE check how dope this fucker was?
CUZ HES FUCKING DOPE.

>>73986378
Yeah Escreet's only like 31 or 32 too so he's definitely someone to watch out for. I'm hoping for some more collabs from he and Binney.

>>73986415
fuckin ben riley cant even get a whawha inna jazz thread fml

>>73986296
Yeah I would agree with that

>>73986415
>>73987149
Ive been listening to the great ben riley for years. He was on yhe first jazz record i ever heard. Didnt respond though cause i didnt wanna be negative, as much as i loooove riley and also literally every single monk record, these days im more into the ore/dunlop rhythm section or the wilbur ware stuff. But riley is inctedible, monks rhythm sections got more minimalist throughout his main career.

>>73986110
>>73986260
When i was talking about people derailing threads cause they dont know shit, i meant like what this guy said. Like people who have only heard 3 albums and think theyre jazz gurus now.

>>73983551
>It's basically the equivalent of "cuck" for jazzcore edgelords
Nice word salad of buzzwords you have there. I'm surprised you didn't accompany that masterpiece of yours with an epic reaction image.

i just don't know how to discuss jazz, i like jazz but i can't explain why

>>73987404
yeah, i've been sampling his discography and the places where he shines are hard to find, which sux because he was obviously amazing - which becomes really apparent is the truly lovely solo bits in the live sets on the link above.
not gonna apologize for shouting to the hills about it.

more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzJ1u93iSWQ

>>73987804
because its cut and its swung and its perhaps the most creative and free and complex form of human expression there is. and you can dance to it.

>>73977257
good picks

>Ayler
>Morgan
>LaFaro
>Taylor or Hancock
>Blakey or Higgins

>>73987503
Sorry I didn't realize I needed to write a follow up to Candide but if you'd like to jump into an actual defense of the "rockist" all-purpose burn to show me how it's done, be my guest

>>73987404
Larry Gales is fuckin amazing though. One of the best soloists on bass.

>>73987890
>and you can dance to it.
Reminds of this one qt, the first one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-QvZ4BhoVY

>>73988652
i have mixed emotions about this.

>>73971857
Underrated post nigga good job

>>73972020
I never really thought of it that way
It's harder to put into words than other genres

>>73976305
>Derivative
I keep seeing this more and more
Can anyone explain to me what it's even supposed to mean? It's impossible to create music in a vacuum, is it just a buzzword?

>>73988069
You didn't even define "rockist jazz". Feel free to do so first.

>>73991245
Was I supposed to?

>>73991549
If you want to have a discussion, then, yes you were. It's not like that's anything other than an epic /mu/ meme.

>>73991583
Uh yeah and that's why I called it the equivalent of the most empty political insult of our time. Rockist is a stupid term so we're in agreement there

>>73987822
>>73988317
i gotta disagree, i think him and gales (along with Ore/Dunlop) are truly some of the best players when it comes to simplistically stating a hard grooving time. both of them play some really incredible solos, but "the rub" or their individual placements of the beat or where they play on the beat may be their strongest aspect. Both of those rhythm sections had some of the largest space between where the drummer and bassists beat falls of any rhythm section ive ever heard and it just makes it groove sooo fucking hard. i think thats why Gales and Ore both play a loooot of quarter notes in their solos. The quarter note sounded so good maybe they couldnt think of something to play that would ever sound better.

>>73987804
maybe consider just your pure, visceral, emotional reaction to it before as a starting place for why you like it, or imagery that the music creates. Thats always more interesting to me then my usual theoretical analysis but thats usually what people are interested in from me. and remember to listen really closely and you might find something specific.