/classical/

currently listening to this from start to finish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkUsrlDLch8

>>73935782
about a ninth of the way through. holding myself accountable lads.

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https://youtu.be/RhHkM5vL6Dc

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palim palim

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42cVbfcDKag

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>>73936175
What a bunch of shit

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>>73935767
No.

how do I get into classical

Can someone identify this piece for me? Pretty sure I fucked it up but anyway here goes

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0q2yTYUshJM

>>73936962
Listen to it. Go to live performances.

Work out which period you like the most - Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, or 20th century / contemporary.

>>73937030
I dunno sounds like some crap Glass would write. Definitely modern

>tfw local orchestra plays soundtrack shit half the time
solo instrument for this feel?

>>73937537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Xzo5UPaGw

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This general is dead. What happened? I was waiting all day for a new thread

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does /classical/ like xenakis?

i can't stop listening to pic related

>>73937889
I'm selective about the pieces I hear from him, but he can be interesting. Evryali a best

>>73937889
His music sounds like chaos to me. I don't really understand it, unfortunately.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUXWXS8Z3U
Really not a fan of the piano and the excessive vibrato.
>>73937749
>What happened
Classical music is dead bro.

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Poly if your here can you recommend me some Martinu. I'm interested in getting into him thanks

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBSaNJ8cqtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9_QXpwODXM

very rich and spicy harmony 4 u guys enjoy

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>>73936849

>>73938733
not him but I know in a prior thread he posted a few of his symphonies, I think 1 and 2, though I might be mistaken.

>>73937749
Have some agency anon. If you don't see one you can always start a new thread and posters start gathering who were also waiting but didn't feel like starting a thread.
Protip: copy and paste the inb4 classical text links into a word doc and then you can just paste them into the op.

>>73937889
if its not his electronic music yes

>>73939132
never really listened to any of his electronic stuff, why don't you like it?

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>>73939015
I started the last one tho

>>73939338
usually the timbres and frequencies he uses hurt my ears. theres also less rhythmic hooks for me

Schumann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQIQAXO3tw8

Give me to it's beautiful, moving piece you know. Something that almost brings you to tears

>>73937226
Not repetitive enough to be Glass.

>>73939583
i wasnt a fan of schumann but rosen's hardcore shilling in that one book made me see the light

gesange de fruhe is underrated

>>73938733
Symphony No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHXxxE2WCoo

Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano and Timpani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac

Fantasia for theremin with oboe, string quartet and piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ukNmiDvmWk

Symphony No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofciLQT2EmE

Sonatina for Clarinet and Piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjjSA43wMVI

His string quartets are quite good too - I like his 5th a lot.

>>73939596
Pärt is pretty good for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQfid7zecE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmBrepbZji0

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what was the last outstanding masterwork in C major?

>>73940988
Stravinsky - Symphony in C

Should I feel shame for enjoying and playing music by Uematsu, Shimomura, and Kondo? I'm not good enough to play stuff like Liszt and Beethoven yet.

>>73941446
Never heard of them, post some music.

>>73941496
It's video game music. That's the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8aurrI7ow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2vO7CbZvAI

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hBRNNXNMlI

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>>73939913
>reading wikipedia article on Martinu
>whole section on aspergers syndrome

No wonder Poly loves him

Going to be in a production of Le Nozze lads, should b gud

>>73940988
Wagner's symphony

>>73939913
Thanks. Very interesting stuff

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>>73941553
Talk about easy listening

ebin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNlICUf6Jls

Post improvisations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmcZhVboEw

can someone identify what piece this was extracted from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0bJUedNd_c

https://youtu.be/BoqvGLdjUhE

>>73939913
How does he create that "woozy" sound like at the beginning of the first symphony? Seems to be something of a signature.

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>>73940988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBIcCXQLG2U

>>73940988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAv76VsNyaM

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>>73948286
Look at me. I am the captain now

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>>73948679
Stop right there criminal scum.

>>73945087
This

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>>73948733
I can do this all day

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>>73948880
mabe we jus be frenz?

What are more symphonies or orchestral works which are as adrenaline pumping as Mahler Second Symphony by Solti, Beethoven 9th Symphony by Furtwangler, Beethoven's 5th, and Dvorak's 9th? I feel like these are the most intense symphonies that I can listen to and enjoy. I listen to artists like Shostakovich and Bruckner, and I just feel like their symphonies don't have as much distinctness. It's hard to get to that one anticipated moment, when everything you've been whistling and air conducting culminates in a climax.

>>73950478
>mahler
what the hell is wrong with you, fix your taste

>>73950478
>beethoven
what the hell is wrong with you, fix your taste

>>73950478
You're asking for more symphonies with a bass drop?

>where's the drop bro

>>73950478
>dvorak
what the hell is wrong with you, fix your taste

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>>73948002
Lots of chromatic ascending lines?
Moravian Cadences?

Apparently John Williams has written actual concert works and such. Are they worth listening to, or does Star Wars only sound good because it's Star Wars?

>>73950478
>Bruckner
>not distinct

What those other guys said but unironically

>>73950478
Brian - Symphony No.1 in D minor

>>73950478

https://youtu.be/d3_d1ijMYE0

https://youtu.be/lO2NB8LJu_s

https://youtu.be/8zXaEwWFbnA

Welcome to the 20th century

>>73951014
But I haven't written it yet.

>>73950478
Don't listen to Solti's Mahler unless it's 8
Dvorak 7 is better than 9
Beethoven 8 has the best final movement in any of Beethoven's works
>implying there are no "anticipated moments" in Shostakovich and Bruckner
Anyway I've got no recs since I've had whisky and just want to vaguely shitpost. But listen to more music and you'll be fine

>>73951012
This but ironically

Have you listened to Mozart today?

Any classical contemporary suggestions?

>Skrjabin
Italians were a mistake

>>73951847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CXce3bZJpY

>>73951878
Ashley Fure

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmmTy56AxWs

>>73945772
Is that a good or bad thing?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRASMHQjxNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9HufD-z9xM

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt0fj50O8fg

Anyone ever heard of Carl Maria von Weber? Heard him on the radio the other day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKrGCqLzCyU

What is the best recording of Elliott Carter's String Quartets?

>>73954148
arditti

>>73953319
I think you have autism

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How the fuck can people read music so fast? I mean it takes me forever to just figure out how a few chords should sound. I find it one of the most awkward language systems ever devised.

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>>73951878
"yes"

>>73951878
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/alimal/a-guide-to-20th-century-classical

>>73951936
>Schostakowitsch

w/e Deutschland

>>73955393
Every new language seems awkward and hard if you haven't studied it for years and years

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Georg "beat my black slave til she says yes massa" Haas

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>>73955529
New York Times gay ass wouldn't let me copy and paste their shit text from their shit writers smgdh

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>>73955544
>which includes the American premiere of his "I can't breathe," a dirgelike solo trumpet memorial to Eric Garner
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>73955590
>Insistent and yet ultimately, as its title indicates, a paean to futility, “in vain” was intended as a protest against, or at least an elegy about, the victory of far-right factions in the 1999 Austrian elections. Ears alert to Mr. Haas’s political interests (he is Austrian) will spot a battle-ready passage in “dark dreams”: a beat first in the woodblock, then the drum, then the timpani that evokes the Prussian-style marches of his 2004 Cello Concerto.

>In “dark dreams,” the moment is quickly engulfed by more of those sliding trills; even to call it a protest — against militarism, fascism, whatever — seems an overstatement of the helpless modesty of the reference. Mr. Haas, like many of us, seems sadly resigned to being able merely to glance at injustice and pain before turning his attention elsewhere.

Is there a contemporary composer who isn't a complete faggot?

>>73955396
Is Omnifenix the only good think Psathas has done?

>>73955825
Yes but not even that is good so he is actually a real shitter

>>73955825
He does all sorts of fun stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNqJVvDCThI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDwqTDx3DvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bS6a6yKVpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgkhX6JC39s

>>73955393
It's all just pattern recognition and optimization. If you see a scalar pattern you can usually just read the first and last note as well any accidentals, chords like major 7ths or minor 6ths for example have a distinct shape that's really easy to recognize at a glance, there's patterns like alberti bass where you just have to read the first chord and how many times it repeats until it either ceases or modulates. It's why people swear by exercise books like Hanon, they familiarize you with how various figurations look on paper and how they feel in the hands and running through them over and over again is the most surefire way to implant them in your memory. Once you can immediately identify any individual interval in any key you can start memorizing the various chords and their variations/inversions but the most important thing is to just keep doing it, most good sight readers have read hundreds of pieces and seen like 95% of the patterns found in any given piece implemented elsewhere in many different manners.

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>>73955529

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>>73940988
If u count A minor it would probably be sibs 4 (the best sibs symphony)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCrGKQgFzDU

>>73951105
xenakis sucks

>>73956851
you suck

>>73940988
k545

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>>73951014
THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfAA5UiR-8

https://youtu.be/Z9DJpaxT7wg?t=1m44s

ives btfo

>>73955756
Arvo Pärt, although one of his symphonies was dedicated to (((Mikhail Khodorkovsky))), but no faggotry otherwise

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>>73958863
>>73948432

Weill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2_FESXxPuM

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>>73950478
Karajan

>>73961138
karajan is the opposite of furtwängler like objective vs subjective schools of conducting

>>73961200
Wew, I dont know about the schools things, but the "drenaline pumping" i get from Karajan.

>>73961281
i dont doubt it, but each method hits different G-spots in the brain

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>seamless transition from scherzo to the finale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzgULksOT0I

are there any pieces like this I should know about? reworking older works sounds cheesy but i really like this one

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>Why are there so few recordings of Alkan?

>>73962438
dunno about variations of whole symphonies,
but there's a whole variations and orchestration/transcription genre

Post pieces that feel too short for you, that you want to wallow in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLP11tZ7-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp-DeAZmKOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoq6y2LRlrA

>>73962950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUfNor_keQ

>>73962950
all beethoven bagatelles tbqhf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ye7evxEeHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSZ_TCKbOaI

>>73963156
My man, that sonata is terribly underrated. Still would prefer Gould's humming to those heavy breathing noises.

>>73962950

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKuUPoIbvjg

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>>73962438
>>73962630

>>73963838
did you know JS Bach recomposed Vivaldi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqMzfJWfa9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA1L0SsEXxU

>>73963961
Is that really the same thing though?

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>>73962438
Several composers rewrote Corelli's op.6 concerti grossi
https://youtu.be/H4ejc_6YHZY
https://youtu.be/f3mUKG9LFYU
https://youtu.be/jXmF1tpvElw

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candy boy

>>73964635
>biblical music drama

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>>73964635
>biblical music drama

>>73964384
that geminiani is baroque as fuck, in a good way

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>>73964635
>Salt Lake City

Prove That Chopin's 3 sets of etudes aren't the greatest compositions for piano of all time


protip: you can't

>>73965181
>Chopin

done

>>73965181
They were literally made to get piano students to practice while having slightly more semblance of musicality than a fucking Hanon book

Any suggestions please..., looking for cello music

>>73965479
https://youtu.be/ca0LCqVNdJo
https://youtu.be/pQqXBQaDf6U
https://youtu.be/CzTm6cZx_5k

>>73965479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17wFP9n7RY

>>73965479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtZvXdGo38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf3Zm3qnkco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXy_krUMQ8

>>73940988
Rautavaara 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRSdMQBjLrU

>>73956840
Strong disagree

>>73962533
I would like to hear some Jewish pianists play his stuff, too bad he's still neglected

>>73966728
Jack Gibbons does a pretty damn good job of it as far as I'm concerned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-YXdfKK4J0

and his own compositions are pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIL9KI59dFk

>>73966826
>Jack Gibbons
yawn I'm already bored just by hearing the name

>>73966855
And this is why /classical/ is terrible

>>73966865
okay goy

Is there any way to listen to the Radio 3 listen-again recordings from The Proms if you're not in GB?

>>73965181
The Preludes, Ballades, and Mazurkas are better

What is a recommended method for self-instruction of piano, bearing in mind I only have 61 keys? Should I go get 88 keys before even bothering?

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What is the factor that makes chord progressions move toward continuation or termination? I want to know what makes a chord progression as short or as long as possible.

What do I do if I can't into opera?

>>73968396
suicide for being pleb

>>73968381
Inversions, son.

>>73968324
It depends on why you want to learn piano. If you want to learn piano just as a compositional aid then a 61 key keyboard will be fine though I would suggest even for this you want a keyboard that is pressure sensitive.

Make sure you watch a lot of video (and they must be videos) of proper posture, distance from the piano, arm level etc. You can seriously fuck up your body for the rest of your life with bad piano technique.

First of all you want to be able to play the major scale with both hands simultaneously in every key to a metronome. Do it slowly hands separately with correct fingering, then combine them, then add the metronome at a slow tempo. As it starts to get easy increase the tempo by about 5bpm. The only way to play fast is to be able to play well slowly. Trying to play too fast to early will just give you awful technique. You have to build up to it. Make sure to do this in a span of at least two octaves. Then do this for the other eleven keys.
You need to know all your major, minor, augmented, diminished and dominant arpeggios in all 12 keys. This includes both three part chords and 7ths. Do the exact same thing as arpeggios. Hand separate, then together etc.

If you can't read music you then must learn. This is non-negotiable. Learn to recognise what certain chord shapes look like on the stave so you can read three and four note chords in root position and inverted very quickly. Learn to read the key signature markings on the stave. Since you will know your scales because of your exercises and you will know your chords if you can read what the key signature is in you can easily navigate of the sharps and flats effortlessly.
Learn to recognise intervals quickly on a stave. This will mean when you play a note you can see without even thinking about it that the next note is a 6th above it. Trying to think of the name of the note you are about to play is too slow.

what do you all think of the bbc radio trial? they are streaming classical radio losslessly right now

Was Xanakis retarded?

>>73968396
watch a shorter one like salome
make sure subtitles are on
watch an opera live - you are forced to sit there throughout the entirety of it because you payed money for a ticket plus live music is always a good thing

>>73969029
no but i think you are

>>73935767
Is Romantic music allowed here?

Liszt number 1.

>>73969210
I liked it when I first heard it but it turns out it's pretentious melodramatic drivel composed specifically to be performed by homosexuals. Prokofiev number 3 is better.

>>73969210
renaissance best era

>>73969153
But I never ever go outside. Maybe I'll try to listen to some Strauss operas. I love his tone poems at least.

Wagner's music sounds bad.

>>73969611
Agreed. It's a bunch of disjointed screamed operatic singing over weird phrasing, designed for talk singing, not actual structured symphonic music. Ride of the Valkyries is probably the best thing he's ever written. I don't know how anyone can sit through his operas, unless they knew the language they were sung in and could perhaps follow along.

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>>73969611
>>73969650

>>73969650
>weird phrasing
>designed for talk singing
What is music drama? Who is Verdi? What is the recitative? What is the entirety of opera after Wagner and Verdi?

>>73969665
Your lack of insightfulness just shows that you're the retarded one. I can do it too, watch, U R THE RETARDED ONE!!!

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>>73969752
is this you?

>>73968381
Cadences. Without a cadence the chord progression never really feels like it ends (there are exceptions, especially in 12-tone and serial music).

Putting off the V - I cadence as long as possible will make your chord progression longer. Having a V - I cadence after a single chord or 2 chords will make it very short. The power is yours.

Applied chords (also known as secondary dominants) are the ultimate tool for extending chord progressions. Interrupted cadences help too (going V - vi)

>>73969372

>>73969747
>What is music drama?
A poor version of opera.
>Who is Verdi?
A shitty composer.
>What is recitative?
Filler.
>What is the entirety of opera after Wagner and Verdi?
Shit.

>>73969650
>Agreed. It's a bunch of disjointed screamed operatic singing over weird phrasing, designed for talk singing, not actual structured symphonic music.
ok sure
> Ride of the Valkyries is probably the best thing he's ever written.
>
>
>
>

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Debussy is the GOAT.

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>>73970402

>>73970309
>thinks every single composer since the 1600s wrote shit music
>visits a classical thread

>>73970309
>>73969650

why is /classical/ so pleb

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLJ2Q95B7c
>mixture of Locatelli, Veracini and Pisendel's styles in just one movement
How does he do it lads?

>>73969650
>the Ride
>not the intro to Rheingold
>Not the final duet in act I of Valkyrie
>not the entire end of act 2 of Valkyrie
>not Wotan's farewell to Brünhilde
>not the Siegfried sword forging duet
>not the final Siegfried duet
>not Hagen's duet with Alberich
>not Hagen's call to the Gibichungs
>not the final trio of act 2 of Götterdämmerung
>not Siegfried's death solo
>not the funeral march
>not the Immolation scene
And that's just from the Ring.

who is the best wotan in das rheingold specifically?

opera isn't even music so you're arguing about nothing

shut the fuck up

>>73970593
Uhde is nice because he sounds particularly young which for Rheingold I find fitting. Young, not weak like Adam.

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>opera hating plebs
Post GOAT operas and their best recordings.

>>73970775
>GOAT operas
kys

>>73970682
>opera isn't even music

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>>73970845
You'll get taste one day anon.

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Neobaroque
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxx1Mcu4tqY
It's actually really good.

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>>73970919
Don't worry I've got the actual best Giovanni recording over here.

>>73970992
>that cover art
I haven't gotten around to that performance but the cast looks stellar.

>>73970309
>thinks recitative is filler
>thinks music drama is poor opera
>doesn't realise that opera with the aria/recitative distinction is what defines music drama
God you are retarded.

>>73969547
>But I never ever go outside
lol

How do you get to the point where you know what fingers to use for notes on a score? Sometimes I want to memorize a piece but I feel like I am learning it wrong and don't know the right way, and the only scores with finger notations are uber-beginner boring stuffs.

>>73971284
talking about piano, in case that wasn't obvious

>>73971284
Learn all the scales in and arpeggios in all keys. Then you will always know what fingers to use.

How is the 1989 Sawallisch Ring?

>>73959202
I've seen this posted about 5 times here in the past 2 months. Not a problem. I'm just curious what anons like about this piece and Havergal Brian in general... ? I know literally nothing about him.

>>73971395
surprisingly well sung overall except for Behrens. good acting.

mixed feelings on the conducting, Sawallisch is kind of inconsistent in his pacing. in a weird way

>>73969650
Then just listen to Tristan and be happy.

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>>73970775
This comes to mind.

Am I struggling to find good video recordings of opera because the good ones aren't on video? If not, where should I be looking for them?

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Trying to settle a dispute.

I hate canon. I hate it with a fucking passion so much that I do not capitalise pachelbel's name anymore.

That derivative I-V-vi-IV is in so many songs in so many different orders but whenever I see lists, I often see Hurt cited, and I think "....really?" I'm not sure. I kind of get it but I think it may be bias from hearing the Cash version or something but attributing the NIN version its proper credits.

I was brought up on jazz theory and as such don't work well with notes for chords but rather numerals full stop. So I had a prodigious friend listen to the guitar bit from the prechorus of Hurt and this was his response.

What is it, really? It's often listed as vi-I-V-IV but by the end (of the original NIN version) it's all warped and pitch shifted with a dissonant note over each chord anyways so I'm not sure.

Sample analysed was from the "Quiet" version.

I'm starting to think it may just be an inversion in major/last to bits to a different octave repeated.

Any help would be appreciated because it can't really be played in one of those four-chord medleys without sounding really wrong even though shit like Bullet With Butterfly Wings can.

what's classical for getting your first date ever at 21

*iv-IV-I-V
**last two bits

Keyboard needs fixing.

>>73971768
William Walton's Symphony no 1

>>73970775
been listening to this a lot lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMx0CLWeRQ

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it's good

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Newfag here, what's his best symphony?

>>73971747
>>73971784
You mean vi/IV/I/V?
You are correct in that it's the prechorus and chorus of the Cash version that takes that form and replaces the distorted chord over every beat in the second chorus with that repeating piano. As for the original song, classical music theory would regard it both as what you said and that progression depending on the instrument. The recording does go up an octave on the third bar and then down again but it's not just guitar harmony.

>>73971883
10

>>73971747
the future sound of london have an amazing version of canon just fyi

>>73971883
9>7>5>6>4>8>3>1>2

>>73971494
I like Behrens actually.
I was looking for it because I'm looking for a good modern Ring. I've Janowski's audio Ring but Adam's Wotan is unbearable for me.

>>73971913
Wow it actually sort of exists I guess?
>>73971938
Thank you anon, do you think the bottom ones are bad or just inferior to the other ones?

>>73971883
9 for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=254ksoIiU_s

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>>73971883
My inclination is to be a hipster contrarian and say 8, but 5 and 9 are objectively the best. Then 8.

>>73971858
lol a vagina

>>73972001
1 is meh and 2 is kinda bad. Rest are pretty much subjective and all worth listening to.


mvt 2,3,4 of 3 and 4 are eh
mvt 4 of 6 is eh
mvt 3 and 4 of 7 are eh
mvt 2 and 3 of 8 are eh

just imo

>>73971946
unfortunately with modern Rings there's always going to be a sacrifice in one area or another.

give a shot though. it's probably one of the stronger modern sets and the acoustic is pretty nice

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>>73972001
Every true composer has a "kind of exists" 10th symphony.

>>73972061
What about Barenboim?

>>73972001
Oh I was actually memeing about Brahms' first symphony.

>>73972067
Beethoven's 10th is best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mWi4qY5v0

>>73972083
been years since i've heard it, but i'm pretty sure it was much too slow for my tastes.

>>73972008
>>73972010
>>73972057
>>73972067
>>73972119
Thank you boys, any perticular recording I should hear of these? Listening to the one by Leonard Bernstein at the moment

Greatest symphonic recording on youtube?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PjyCpRKDrk

It used to be Abbado with Lucerne fest doing Mahler 9 but they took it down
then it was same folks with mahler 2 but (((((((((they))))))))) took that down too

I think it's this now

>>73971546
>>73970992
>>73970919
>>73970775
off topic
>>>/trash/

>>73972260
Open your mind to culture.

>>73972184
My favorite 9th is the one by Furtwängler in Lucerne which I linked above.
He's got a bunch of historical recordings of the 9th during war time, one of which I believe famously had Hitler himself in the audience. The sound for those is terrible, however. The 1954 Lucerne recording sounds suprisingly great, and is with Furtwängler, someone considered one of the greatest Beethoven interpreters of recorded history, at his best.
If it ever sounds tired though (which I don't think it does, but I've heard that complaint) it's probably due to the fact Furtwängler was mere weeks from dying.

>>73972260
Opera has always been discussed here.
And linking it to /trash/ makes no sense seeing as this is still the music board.

>>73971924
Is this it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWtLydQKSKQ
future (present?) sound of london: "allahu ahkbar!!!"

Without memes tell me why you people hate Karajan

>>73972349
Pepe the frog trollface duckroll.
Fuck.

>>73972349
1. nazi
2. michael bay of conductors

>>73972119
I don't get it.

>>73972377
Most great conductors were nazis.

>>73972184
I'd start with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

>>73972377
Seems rather neutral

>>73972349
A tendency to fetishize a particular kind of "beautiful" sound, full, compact and dominated by main melodic voices, with soft attack and broad strokes. Homogeneity takes precedence over the articulation of the particular and over contrasts. Emphasis on a metronomic beat, Karajan regards notation as essentially complete in that regard. Active involvement in the recording and mixing of his recordings, which exacerbates some of those tendencies further and produced some staggeringly unnatural-sounding records, particularly in the 70s.

Now, while this approach can produce great results in some repertoire (mostly 20th century music, like Strauss, Debussy, Schoenberg, Honegger), I feel that it runs contrary to the demands of much earlier music, especially the Austro-German classics: Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner.

All in all, Karajan was an immensely skilled conductor and orchestral trainer (which is evidenced by how similar his output with different orchestras is, at least if they're temporally close), but he developed a trademark sound which - being his trademark - he applied to everything.

He's certainly one of the great and most influential conductors of the 20th century, but his fame tends to overshadow some currents of interpretation I consider more interesting and appropriate.

>>73972409
Furtwängler wasn't and he was the greatest of all

>>73972411
>last name is Cobra
>anything but a pornstar
see ya kiddo

>>73972349
why do you assume we hate Karajan? he is in the top 5 goat conductors of /classical/

probably top 3

>>73972456
Well yes you're right. But I said most.

>>73972471
>he is in the top 5 goat conductors of /classical/

>probably top 3
no

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>>73972480
shut up pleb

>>73972471
What no.
The actual top 3 is obviously Furtwängler 3 times.

>>73972499
Karajan is babby's first conductor and the definition of pleb

>>73972503
1. Cobra
2. Karajan
3. Furrywigger

>>73972520
Stop that.
Who the fuck is called Cobra for real. That's so rad.

>>73972409
Maximianno Cobra wasn't a nazi

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>>73972518
the levels of not an argument are strong with this one. Karajan has the best complete Beethoven symphony cycle on record. Prove me wronk.

protip: ya caint

>>73972409
Celibidache wasn't a nazi

>>73972518
>Karajan is babby's first conductor
Wouldn't that be Bernstein?

>>73972549
No reason to use arguments against those who aren't providing any in the first place

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NO MOAR POLITICS PLXXX

THIS IS CLASSICAL COBRA-WORSHIP NAZI PUNX FUCK OFF

>>73972471

5. Celibidache maybe
4. Karajan
3. Kondrashin
2. Mariss Jansons
1. Abbado

>>73972549
The argument implies he is your first coductor and as such you've not heard enough to be experienced and have your opinion taken into consideration.
It's bad but it's an argument. Your post though, has none. Why is it the best?

>>73972471
wrong

>>73972520
wrong

>Maximianno Cobra
Did his parents hate him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk3sII8T-vY
This FUCKING "composition". Holy FUCKING shit. I've never heard something so fucking self consciously naive in my FUCKING live. This is the worst FUCKING meme shit I've ever FUCKING heard. I can just imagine the smug FUCKING smirk on that little Russian's FUCKING Harry Potter mug, that goddamn fucking fuckface. The sheer goddamn audacity of it I can't even imagine. This the worst meme shit written since Art of the Fugue. That fucking bassoon, how the fuck did he write that and how the fuck does anyone play that with dying from their own pompousness and head up their fucking ass. And then those fucking oboes, don't even get me fucking started. And then THAT FUCKING PIANO ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME those octaves have to be the worst goddamn insult to music ever written on paper. Fuck I am literally trembling with rage right now.

>>73972593
because I said so and there isn't one which is better, period

>>73972590
>Abaddo first
What?

>>73972643
daily reminder there is literally nothing more pathetic than white "hip hop" fans. especially if said fans aren't poor wiggers but middle class or above hipsters. literally you cannot do worse than that. seriously.

What about Toscanini?

>>73972633
Is this fresh pasta?

>>73972637
I think his Mahler recordings with the Lucerne fest are by far the best. I can't get over his 9 and 2. Not the Lucerne youth orchestra btw, fuck those shits
Also his Der Rosenkavalier was immaculate

>>73972670
>tfw white liberal coworker listens to rap

>>73972633
Posting that as a comment.

>>73972633
>This the worst meme shit written since Art of the Fugue.
credibility = out the window
show us some creative product of your own which is better please

>>73972683
>fresh
All these newfags holy shit.

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>>73972683
>>73972714
>newfags

>>73972729
>le newfags
hey newfag

>>73972683
>Also his Der Rosenkavalier was immaculate
>immaculate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_obeR1OIm8

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>>73972746
>ironically using le

>>73972744
aww how cute poor plebbit faggot is projecting

>>73972756
>>73972756
>>73972769
Can you embarrassing excuses of human beings please stop your reddit-tier raging fit autism and contribute something to the thread

also, using youtube videos as responses
>poor form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhhB9teHqU
How do I find a guy doing basically this but with a piece of music that isn't incomprehensible?

Can someone suggest /classical/ pieces that are/would be good to work out to, whether lifting, cardio, or boxing? I have been listening to Bruckner symphonies lately but they are too slow and lack the touch to get my adrenaline pumping.
Thanks.

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>>73972746
Oh, hello newfag! How have you been?

I've been doing great myself, you know, "newfagging" up the place as they say it! Just got done newfagging a bit on /tv/ right now, as a matter of fact! Now I'mma mewfag slide all the way down to /b/ and back up /x/ let's see how they like that uh?
Holy shit you're so fucking retarded with your pretend internet made up vocabulary words. You know the vast meme-dictionary consisting of shit like "Newfag" "meme this, meme that" "what did X mean by this??" " 'blocks your path' " "le" "this is X! Say something nice about" blah blah blah taken straight from fucking "epic" (there's a meme word for you) Discord servers or God-knows-where
well I'll tell you something buddy how about you shove that memeing shit right up your ass

Caldara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qb8rc2jdew

>>73972847
Just listen to some metal you pleb.

>>73972847
Listen to anything atonal. It'll make you angry.

premium classical radio with 45 channels

https://api.friezy.ru/playlists/pls/CR.pls

>>73972953
nice virus

>>73973221
its a playlist file, dont be a pussy

>>73970449
Amen.

>>73966826
That nocturne was one of the best pieces I've heard in a long time

Thanks anon

Where to start with Liszt?

>>73973433
Dante symphony.

>>73973433
First piano concerto is pretty dope.

>>73973433
Transcendental etudes
use the Daniil Trifonov topic videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neck342JxQI

Don't listen to these assclowns
>>73973455
>>73973458

>>73973497
>etudes
>good for anything besides practice
wew

>>73973531
Chopin?
You're just wrong buddy
That's all I have to say about that

>>73973563
None of his best compositions are etudes.

>>73973590
Did i say they were?
No, you said they weren't good for anything other than practice, aka they aren't worth performing
To which end you're literally the epitome of not knowing what you're talking about

>>73973618
You're right I lied. They're good for audition as well.

if I were to write a series of etudes I would feel relaxed because if they sound like shit then you can say "so what, they are meant to be exercises for students." if they are good, then you receive praise. nothing to lose.

also, please answer my q
>>73972847
Thanks.

>>73972057
>the funeral march in Eroica is eh
Jesus, you deaf or something?

>>73973634
You're incompetent

>>73974065
I debated whether to call it meh.
I honestly stand by that, I think it's pretty boring at times and doesn't develop into anything particularly special.
Despite being inspired by it, I think Mahler 5 mvt 1 is an infinitely better example of a symphonic funeral march

>>73972847

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vxhQqDoAeM

>>73970402
this

>>73974366
>and doesn't develop into anything particularly special.
oh the irony

Oh why why why did Bach not write an opera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4bJ_EUOhPU

hey rate this
https://musescore.com/user/9083431/scores/4254271

>>73975763
the syncopated quarter note triplet thing is cool but try to do something besides arpeggiate an E minor chord

>>73975803
I was trying to pull off a perfect harmony type thing but youre right

>>73975124
Because he never held a position that would have allowed him to write one that would be performed.

>>73971426
Meh, i think we are here two, or even only myself who knows Havergal Brian. Actually i'm listening his symphonic cycle (32 symphonies). I post his music here expecting someone will have interest. I hope

>>73975763
it's actually pretty cool sounding. reminds me of something toby driver would come up with, rhythmically. but more importantly, why is your name sister fister? as in like, stick your fist in your sister's vag? ew bro. get a new name.

>>73971883
9>5>7>6>3>8>4>1>2

>>73976310
Don't get me wrong I like that gothic one (though my opinion doesn't matter because I'm a pleb when it comes to /classical/). Surprised he's not more well known. How did you come across his work?

>>73971883
9>5>2>1>4>8>3>7>6

>>73972001
>Wow it actually sort of exists I guess?
Beethoven was was making some sketches of his thent symphony in the final period of his life. He couldn't finish it because he was working in the late string quartets, more profitable pieces.
Cooper reconstructed the first movement (almost twenty minutes in a form of Andante-Allegro-Tempo I) Here you can listen it, the video includes an speech of Cooper of this work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGa82UOG9pQ&t=2241s

>>73972381
When Brahms performed his first symphony, was called the ''beethoven's thent'' because his conservative style (pretty near to the beethoven style) and dramatic essence.

>>73976341
>>73976373
plebs found

>>73972907
I will be Bach

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXaLpeNgchE

>>73976351
It's very shameful, but i searched the longest ever composed symphony. This work was named and the descriptions sound interesting. So i listened it and was a mindblow at the first time, i listened it more and i studied the score.

Can i asking something to you? Do you know where i can hear a good recording of the 14 symphony?

>>73976499
Why?
>hurr durr all you like IS SHIT!!

>>73976499
de gustibus est nondisputandem catamite

>>73976605
How's this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SyGKUSTll8
That's all I could find. rutracker doesn't have it from what I could see searching 'havergal brian'. gonna name my son havergal now.

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>>73976729
Is the best of youtube, but it have white noise

>>73971938
>>73976341
>>73976373

>all this low appreciation for 8

plebs were here

>>73976890
8 is one thing but ranking 3 low is absurd. reddit has come to /classical/

Mozart's Final Three Symphonies VS Beethoven's Final Three Symphonies

>>73978257
Obviously wins beethoven