Jazz isn't its own genre

(u) tried

All music have classical influence

who's that guy

>>73920414
>implying everything isn't a rip off of Seikilos
t. pleb

>>73920441
its op

>>73920429
Of course but jazz is a straight up sub genre of classical music but gets touted as its own entirely seperate thing

Genres are a purely arbitrary distinction bourne from the human need to categorize. There's no objective classification for any piece of music.

>>73920568
Who cares

>>73920414
Drugs are bad, dude.

>>73920616
Me I'm a racist and wanna take as many black accomplishments away from the black community as I can

This is the first of many

Does it really matter though?

>>73921612
Yes, I want proper ownership

I want niggers to recognize they culturally appropriated my people

I want them to kiss chopins feet. The man who laid the foundation, the blue print

I want them to know

I think it's because, there's like a LOT of jazz.

Idk it's like metal, if we still just thought of it as a sub-genre of rock it would eventually get out of hand because it also has its own sub-genres

>>73920414
>grime isn't rap music
that's true

>>73921683
Always good to have a healthy outlook on music.

>>73921859
Well buddy now ur just retarded

>>73921859
This

Post punk isn't punk

Trap isn't rap

Metal isn't rock

>>73921870
Day it again primate nigga see what happens, weak botch

>>73921875
>>73921906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deejay_(Jamaican)
Emceeing was there way before rap and it developed in GB separately from what was happening in the USA at that time.
I'm not saying modern grime is not influeneced by hip-hop, hip-hop is not the reason why grime is there.

>>73921977
Oi dummy ting. Shut the fuck up

lmao do you even know what separates jazz from classical other than their cultural origins/separations? If you did, you would know that your post is fucking stupid

>>73921875
>>73921906
Hip-hop's rapping/mcing was developed because people were hyping up the crowd during the parties by shouting some shit on beat
While grime mcing is a whole different thing, just read the wiki article I posted
>>73921977
It was a Jamaican thing, and people who are of the Jamaican descent influenced the mcing in GB which set the tone for grime.
It was there in the 90's and it doesn't sound like rapping at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzbdBk6XQ6Y
>inb4 they are just rapping on the beat that's why it's hip-hop

>>73922004
Slight chord extension and even then literally every chord that was used in jazz was used in classical

They were just used in a different way

>>73921986
I'm Russian my man

>>73922016
I read it and you appear to be right.

>>73922016
Cringe

>>73922054
>I'm 14 so I cringe at everything
>can't provide any info or argue so just "cringe" at it
>probably american
Good

>>73922061
Oi batty boy man ting. Stop cultural ppropruatung us ya absolute plum m8

>>73922078
>>73922028

>>73920414
Frederick chopin was writing "jazz" songs 100s of years before "jazz" even existed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hyAOYMUVDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef-4Bv5Ng0w

Jazz being its own seperate genre is a completely redundant statement and people who think "jazz chords" exist are musically illiterate

>>73922079
You're a bloody plum bad ting absolute melon bruv

>>73922022

>Slight chord extension

bruh are you even a pianist

>>73922130
In what way are they more jazzy than chopins other pieces. Actual question desu my senpai.

OP's picture triggers me so hard. >:|

>>73922147
You obviously arent

>>73922147
The difference between a "jazz chord" and a "normal chord" is literally a single extra note

And even with that difference in mind classical was filled with "jazz chords" those two chopin songs are comprised entirely of "jazz" chords

The difference between a jazz song and classical song is jazz musicians used extended notes for every chord where as
classical music used them less so

People who no nothing literally think jazz created their own set of new chords but every chord that was used in jazz was used in classical 100s of years before hand

>>73922254
so you define genres by what chords are played? that's weird man

>>73922254
Also there is absolutely no such thing as a "jazz chord"

There's jazz chord progressions, but no such thing as a "jazz chord"

>>73922254
Nigga do u really think that anyone is arguing that jazz musicians wished new chords into existence. Anyone that thinks that not all chords and pretty much all possible combinations of chords have been used at least once before is unequivocally retarded.

Now.

What I wanna know is how jazz is a sub-genre of classical music any more than hip-hop is rooted in tribal chanting.

>>73920414
this guys videos show up on youtube for me and many have zero views. i cant watch them but i feel like id be missing something if i unsubbed

>>73922444
Jazz music is literally post classical. This is an objective fact. Jazz music is just classical music with a slight deviance of cadence and dissonance

No different from post punk being a slight cadence and dissonance deviation from traditional punk music or trap music being a slight rhytmic deviation from traditional rap music

And you're wrong plenty of retards think jazz chords are a real thing. Even you probably thought that until I folded you up

Notated = Classical.
Improvised (among many other characteristics) = Jazz.

Classical isn't a genre.

Nice b8 though.

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>>73922570
>classical isn't a genre

>>73920414
This is so fucking racist man wtf not okay

>>73922596
It's only a genre if you're a braindead plebeian who thinks of movie soundtracks when he hears the term "classical." Classical Period is a genre, Romanticism is a genre, Baroque Music is a genre, "classical music" is not.

>>73922615
So does this mean that rock isn't a real genre either? Invasion rock and glam rock aren't rock music? If you wanna really nit pick I guess you could say that

But for what practical purpose? Keep nit picking my dude

>>73920665
can't argue with that

>>73922866
Thanks bruv

>>73920414
>sub genres aren't genres

so if we agree that jazz is a sub genre of classical what does that mean exactly? what use is it?

>>73921939
>Always good to have a healthy outlook on music.

>>73922893
I'm reclaiming it from black people who appropriated our culture and remarketted and redistributed it as their own creation

This comes from a place of pure and utter hatred and contempt and no black accomplishment is safe. I want the world to know black people have no contributions, none what so ever

Blues is up next because blues is just a straight copy of Irish folk music. Irish folk musicians literally taught slave niggers how to play the guitar

We killing all nigger accomplishments tonight

>>73922926
>no black accomplishment is safe.

I wouldn't say many black people are worried.

Does the fact that niggers probably invented music in the first place not mean classical music is an appropriation of black culture? Same with everything really since all humanity are descended from niggers at some stage we must have appropriated everything from them.

>>73922130
Wow these are really beautiful songs

>>73922995
>>73922926
Also to add to this, Irish people are just white niggers.

>>73922995
>black people invented music

WE

>>73923010
I'm not black. I don't even know any black people.

>>73923005
They're our potato niggers

>>73923022
WUZ

>>73921939
>>73922900

Always good to have a healthy outlook on music.

>>73923073
Always good to have a healthy outlook on music.

>>73922995
nice bait

>>73923198
This whole thread is bait.

>>73922130
that's the difference, he wrote it. The interaction with a band on stage with improvised melodies is one key feature of Jazz. Jazz is like classical music evading the responsibility to commit to something

>>73923367
>classical doesn't incorporate improv

Kill me

>>73923372
to a much, much lesser extent. from the romantic era most solists played written cadenzas anyway. you can't argue with the few world class ones.

>>73920665
respectable

>>73923198
>>73923033
Not an argument.

>>73920414
>>73922596
That face is really ugly.

>>73923389
>>73923389
lol you are completely clueless...

>Throughout the eras of the Western art music tradition, including the Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, and Romantic periods, improvisation was a valued skill. J.S. Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, and many other famous composers and musicians were known especially for their improvisational skills.

Classical musicians created improv. Guys like Bach and wagner were improvising whole 9 minutes pieces from the earliest points in their career. Chopin wrote no.20 In C#sharp minor when he was 17 years old completely off the book the day his sister died

Please never speak to me again

>>73920665
Understandable, friend... Understandable

>>73923454
the pinnacle of music was still the written one. Mendelssohn, Schubert and Beethoven, from the top of my head, said that improvising publicly was 'senseless' and did it only when being forced to do so.
I'm aware of the fact that some improvising took place throughout history, but it was always considered a lesser form of music

>>73923496
I mean if you really want you can take a single quote from a single composer and use it to frame your narrative. But the reality is improvisation was a huge part of western traditional music from its earliest points dating back to the 9th century all the way through to the 21st century. This is an objective documented and undeniable fact

Blues harmony is what separates jazz from classical

>>73923551
you know there's a difference between music as art and music as part of the people's culture? there has never been an academic approach to improvised music until Jazz came about

>>73922708
>So does this mean that rock isn't a real genre either?

Yes

>>73923569
that's at least a big feature, you're right

>>73923748
Completely wrong, again. There is treatises dating back to the 9th century dealing with improvisation both Mozart and Beethoven left the sonatas which they published, and written out cadenzas documenting how they improvised. Infact it wasn't until the 15th century that theorists even began making a hard distinction between improv music and written. Every piece of musical theory before that (and after) delt with improv as a core component of western music

You are completely and utterly retarded and I never wanna speak to you again

>>73923840
please stop using the Discovery Channel as sauce for your bullshit

>>73923840
>>73923454

>>73920414
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jfc

>>73923569
>>73923797
There is no such thing as blues harmony. Every chord had been used 1000s of time prior to the invention of blues music no single genre can claim owner ownership over a harmony in the western system

Blues harmonic progressions exist but to say they had a more profound impact on jazz music than classical music is just not realistic at all and shows you have very little knowledge of music

Lastly blues harmonic progressions have heavy roots in Irish folk music and polish traditional music. both of which are direct descendants of western traditional music

Holy shit dude why are you doing this. I know niggera are annoying but just Le them have this one thing.... it's the one time they beat us

Niggers on suicide watch. All their genres gone

>>73920665
>black people are capable of making the best form of classical music
No matter how you phrase it, it happened.

Is it just me or is this the weirdest fucking thread rn?

>>73920414
ITT: white Americans trying to feel relevant to world culture

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>>73923952
>jazz
>good

>this entire thread
You people are honest to god stupid as shit
>it it got duh similarities
Mother of fuck you people are stupid. Like fucking braindead

>>73923840
Are you too fucking stupid to then divide that from what Jazz was doing? All music produces sound, therefore It's all the same, going by your logic

>>73924031
There's a difference between having small similarities and sharing every single quantifiable element apart from a heavier usage of chord extensions, then attempting to tote a sub genre as it's own seperate influential sub culture and piece of African American history

The cold hard truth is jazz music is post classical music, Frederick Chopin wrote proto jazz 200 years before jazz and jazz isn't even close to being the influential genre white guilt cuckolds who have no idea about their own peoples history make it out to be

>>73923913
Jazz is rooted in the blues, are you actually fucking retarded?

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>>73920441

>>73924106
>it uses theory extensively
>haha that means It's classical xD
Why type out all of that stupid shit if that's what you're trying to say

Jazz is a synthesis of African American folk music (blues) and classical music.

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this thread is so obviously bait and if it's actually someone being retarded stop giving this person attention

>>73924112
Not in a harmony based sense. Blues harmonic progressions are very "normal" compared to even classical music. You'll find more complex chords in even your average folk song than blues. There is definite rhythmic blues influence in jazz but that's not what the man stated

>>73924134
You obviously didn't understand my post

I'm sorry if my iq is too high for you. I forgot I'm arguing with people who have a clear 30 point lower average iq than me on average

>>73924202
Yes, even in a harmonic sense, you just have really, really shirty ears. Blues progressions are also used in jazz. Retard(s) fuck off before I put you back in your cage

>>73924213
-292929020202/10
Exceptionally weak

>>73924227
Hahahahahahaahah do you seriously think jazz music and blues music uses similiar chord progressions and phrasing ????

I'm laughing my ass off right now man. This is hilarious

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>>73924213
> I'm sorry if my iq is too high for you.

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>>73924263
I'm laughing my ass off right now man. This is hilarious

>>73920414
blah blah are you ok op?

I've never seen niggers btfo this hard before

Literally the one contribution they have in society taken away

How will they ever recover

>>73920425
Praise be to (u)

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>>73924272
>>73924278
>>73924284
Don't worry guys you still have rap music

To bad the best rapper now is a 12 year old white kid

>>73924289
There's nothing more pathetic than white people claiming credit for other white peoples achievements.

>>73924338
Literally never happened

I'm just laying out the facts on musical history. Sorry if that offends you

Has absolutely nothing to do with me

>>73924263
>I've never ever looked at the theory that goes on under blues: the post
W E W

>>73923995
Hows high school anon?

>>73924373
>the theory that goes under blues

What did he mean by this? Anyone know?

>>73924395
>le big western zinger
Shit is sad my man

>>73924395
I think he was trying to imply that blues harmonic progression is similiar to jazz harmonic progression.

>>73924438
Oh wow really? He must be pretty stupid then

Blues uses extremely boring chords, with very few extensions and isn't even remotely similiar to jazz on a harmonic level....

This guys really strange I don't wanna talk to him any more

>>73924465
Yeah agreed it really seems like he has no knowledge on any of the subjects he's attempting to speak on. Pretty embarassing 2bh

>>73924465
>Blues uses extremely boring chords, with very few extensions and isn't even remotely similiar to jazz on a harmonic level....
Can you stop huffing your own shit for 2 minutes holy hell

>>73924500
Here's the blues chord starter pack

Maybe they'll throw a 7th or 9th chord on the end for cadence but that's about as deep as it goes

Blues is incredibly boring and not even comparable to jazz. As much as I hate jazz it still shits on "blues" music

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>>73924558
Forgot pic. boring blues chords

>>73924558
Didn't read your garbage ass blog post LMAO

>>73924618
Dude go play some sick blues progressions on your fender strat and leave the real music theory to proud white men who are aware of their peoples history

>>73924639
Don't even own one
Why are you attacking the Scarecrow, he didn't do anything to you :(

>>73922130
nice

>>73920605
third eye is blinded by the truth emitting from this post

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>>73920414
based tim poster

>categories are absolute in nature and aren't social constructs

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delet this

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where did it all go so wrong?

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>>73923449
swipe down sunshine.

>>73924775
>>73924785
I wonder if he's ever composed any traditional western music pieces

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>>73924810
have you never listened to his improv videos?

>>73924817
Link me up

>>73924880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUsPehzizLQ

but of freestyle jazz at the beginning of this

>>73924937
What a shit cunt. This sucks, real white man play real classical music no the nigger kind

Dropped

>>73925061
need you out of business

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>>73920665
Understandable, have a nice day.

is this the new /*redacted*/ thread