Is rap music pure bullshit?

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>>73885613
It's more innovative than rock music

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>>73885613
Rap is a level above poetry, since it’s not just about the words. It’s also about the rhythm that the words are arranged into, which most of the time is more intricate than any conventional poem

>>73885613

more like (C)rap lmao

>>73885613
How can you not like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLsTskih7_I

garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxZkFuZRSDY

>>73885650
I doubt you can write something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYfceJhgvRM

>>73885713
Are you literally retarded?
>What is Jazz
>What is Blues
>What is Rock

rap is doodoo music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_05IXy5OZo

>>73885649
But most of the time the things being said are not worth as much as the things said in poetry

It's usually just saying "I'm the realist nigga and I'm really successful look how successful I am"

With the deepest it will ever go is
"I had to sell drugs because the white man kept me down but now I made it as a rapper and I made it"

It boggles my mind that someone can consider it on the same level of what it is. Could it potentially be better/harder to write than poetry? Yeah sure, but that's not the current state of rap music. Get over it

>>73885613
it's not bullshit but it's definitely overrated as hell

>>73885613
>rap
>music
i wanna die like now

>>73885754
>With the deepest it will ever go is
>"I had to sell drugs because the white man kept me down but now I made it as a rapper and I made it"
Jesus christ, educate yourself and don't ask me to spoonfeed you

>>73885739
>What is all the instruments needed to create that kind of music
>What is glorious caucasians perfecting those genres so they sound listenable

>>73885795
You're moving the goalposts.

>>73885649
I have listened to tons of rap music, but I've yet to read a single worthwhile lyrics coming from the genre. It's far, far below poetry.

>>73885848
This is deeper than the grand canyon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qxa91EwFco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZ8-RgtrP0

Black rap music is

>>73885870
Top fucking kek

>>73885788
You can't come back with any artists who don't use these tropes or things like then because you can't.

>>73886099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKHQeRSvjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E

>>73886099
Off the top of my head:

MF Doom
Milo
Open Eagle Mike
Childish Gambino
Earl Sweatshirt

>>73886145
>Armed with seven rounds of space Doo Doo pistols

>Death grips song

>Thinks this is on par with poetry and these represent rap as a genre

Kek

>>73886190
I wasn't the guy who you were replying to.
I just wanted to post that song. It isn't deep lmao
But you said that all raps use the same trope so those raps prove you wrong.

>>73886190
What do you want though? Shakespeare?
What kind of lyrics do you listen to? Can you give me an example of deep lyrics? People like Cohen, Bob Dylan?

>>73885613
Too lyrical based, not enough melody

>>73885635

Listen to progressive rock and/or krautrock from the '70. Listen to Kraftwerk. These guys invented electronic music. Listen to King Crimson. I don't like these bands but you have to admit that THEY were innovative.

And please tell me how rap is innovative if it's basically doing the same shit again and again

Most of the time lyrics are fucking stupid. Like it was said before, most of the time it's just showing off one's wealth and bitches and the deepest it gets is whining about one's poor background and unexpected success. Poetry is much more than that...

You don't even need words to be poetic

>>73886308
This

I think this is true for pop as well
It shouldn't be called "music" but a "song" or, well, a "rap"

It should be called "music" when the voice is an instrument, with a melody, and not just as a vector for a message, no matter how truthful it is

>>73886609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPGv8L3a_sY

>>73886308
>>73886652
What about instrumental hip-hop?

>>73886580
>Most of the time lyrics are fucking stupid.
This is true of music in general. And just lol at all of these people romanticizing poetry as if most contemporary poetry isn't pretentious, god awful tripe.

>>73886816
poetry has always had an air of pretentiousness though. morissey's writing alone, is better than 90% of poetry released in the last 3 decades or so.

>>73886145
>Earth People

mah nigguh

>>73886190
>and these represent rap as a genre
Why do people who hate rap always think one or two artists have to represent the genre but never do the same for rock? How come we never do the same for artists like KISS or Aerosmith? Or Nickleback?

>>73887030
Because even the worst mainstream rock is better than the best mainstream rap artist

>>73887070
You heard it here first folks, Nickelback is better than Kanye.

>>73887070
>Because even the worst mainstream rock is better than the best mainstream rap artist
This isn't even remotely true.

>>73886145
>Doctor Octagon
My Nigga

>>73886715
Well it's not rap
I'm a rock dude and I recently got into Nujabes, and I love it even though I despise rap and hip-hop and usually listen music like this >>73886533

>>73887315
listen to*

>>73887315
Many of Nujabes' songs feature rapping though.

Rap is a style of vocal delivery not a genre unto itself, songs of any genre can utilise rapping (ie Nu-Metal).

>>73886533

>prog/krautrock and Kraftwerk invented electronic music

bahahahahahahahahhaahahhaaaa I don't even have a proper reaction music to express how stupid you are

>>73885613
I think rap can be pretty good if it's done right, but rappers fuck up sometimes and make nothing but forgettable songs about money and bitches
Personally, I like the sound and personality rap has, but that's just an opinion

>>73885613
rap is not music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlb1ezRqfA

>>73887397
Yeah maybe, but since I just recently got into his songs I haven't heard these ones yet.

Of course. RATM is good imo because their music is not entirely focused on rapping, the music is also important. I feel like when I'll listen to some of Nujabes with rapping the importance of the music will drop somehow, because his music is made to be rapped on, idk it's weird. I might give it a try but stick to instrumental ones.

>>73887433
>rap is innovative

>>73887542

I didn't say that

>>73887556
>>73887542

(but for the record, rap has been more innovative in this decade then rock has been since the 70s)

>>73887527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5-2-jD-42Q

This is probably his most popular song, do you really think the rapping diminishes its quality?

>>73887561
>since the seventies
Of course, I agree. But rock is older than rap. I meant it was innovative in the 60s/70s, but if you listen to it now it's outdated.

>>73887569
(Can't listen to it rn)
Idk but if I have to ignore the rapping to enjoy the music... See what I mean ? It has to go well with the music, so if I don't like rapping... But I'll give it a try

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>>73885613
Anyone who unironically listens to rap music is an indoctrinated, uninformed person who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Western culture and inferior African tribes prancing around with plates in their lower lips.

>>73886533
Nah dude but
>>73887433
that's mean bro

>>73887701
How much does it does it hurt to know that rock (which black artists invented btw) is stagnant and irrelevant while hip-hop is trailblazing, reaching ever greater heights of popularity and acclaim?

>>73887701
Calm your fat tits /pol/

>>73887701
>>73887070
>>73885848
>>73885777

People like this are the racists of music and I don't even like rap

Extremists, pro-rap or pro-rock, are equally dumb

>>73887749>>73887766
>>73887793

My statement says nothing about rock music, or that it's about it being black in origins.

My salt purely stems from the degenerate culture that comes with it, the same could be said for general pop music.
The beat or music itself I have no issue with whatsoever.

>>73887749
>>73887793

>>73885613
lmao anyone who vehemently likes only rock or rap is retarded. appreciate all genres you guys

>>73887105
At least nickleback knows how to play intruments. What does Kanye do come up with some 4/4 beat made out of fucking cans dropping on the floor or some other retarded ass beat. Yeah he writes lyrics. But so does every rock band and the rock bands actually play instruments and make music that takes more talent than some person pressing a few buttons on a computer. (Which Kanye probably doesn't even do himself) And yeah I would rather listen to nickleback than kanye. Kanye is just an overrated rapper who makes unlistenable "music" and raps about all the same things as every other rapper. And you retards eat it up because the beat sounds "unconventional" and "new" when really it's just 4/4 with some stupid synth effect

>>73887807
>the degenerate culture that comes with it

Wait you're talking about rap music right lmao

>>73887844
Are you retarded, or do you fail to read my entire post?

I clearly state I don't care about that it has its roots in black culture. That's not my point.

>>73887861
Damn sorry I misread you post.

>>73887858
Yes. The supposed art-form that has been subject to a propoganda-esque scope of being promoted amongst the youth for decades, deteriorating the innate Western values.

>>73887882
It happens, I aint mad

I grew up with hip hop. Mainly because I come from a family who was into classical music and jazz, with the latter almost being considered a guilty pleasure. I naturally rebelled against it, so rap was a good vehicle for my rebellion.

As I grew older, my sensitivity to art evolved. The themes revolving around hip hop were less of an interest to me and the artistry that went into conveying them got boring and self-indulgent as I got introduced to other forms of music and literature. I just grew a tolerance to hip hop in the same way you grow a tolerance to drugs once you are exposed to more potent ones/higher doses.

I guess I take issue with hip hop culture more than the music itself. I appreciate some subsets of hip hop more than others, but they all intersect in a culture that i find self-indulgent, self-important and ignorant to the great heritage of art as a whole. I know this is controversial, but I can't believe anyone educated beyond a certain level takes hip hop seriously, unless it's some sort of a cultural fetish. It has very little to offer.

I also wish people would stop playing the race card and conflate hip hop culture with black culture.

>>73887473

You can say that about any genre.

>the genre is only good if the artist is good.

Wow. Fucking fantastic insight. These are the bold takes that only /mu/ can come up with.

>>73887992
THANK YOU

Most people either claim
>but it's n-niggers
or
>you're j-just r-racist

>>73885649
I know this is probably bait but rap actually could be a level above poetry if it was done properly. As it stands it's not (in the vast majority of cases at least) and it's not really just rap either. Most lyricists don't have a grasp on language in the same way that a halfway decent poet would.

That's not to say some rappers aren't better than some poets but as it stands rap is nowhere near the level of poetry as a whole.

Nah. I used to be a faggot who thought that anything outside of rock was complete shit, but once I actually started listening to rap, I started to gain a bit of an appreciation for the genre. I found some similarities between rap and rock in looking at the fact that both genres contain songs that are meant to have a deep meaning or tell a story while there are also songs in both genres that aren't meant to have some deep meaning and are just made to pump up the listener, and both of these types of songs can be equally enjoyable to listen to depending on the mood of the listener. I just think the reason that a lot of people hate rap music is because that a lot of shitty pop artists nowadays claim to be rappers, so they just base their opinion on rap off of those artists and don't really make any attempt to delve into the genre to see what it's all about. That and I believe there are a number of music elitists (like I was a couple of years ago) that refuse to accept groups that don't play instruments as real musicians or refuse to believe that anything made after the 90's can be good music.

>>73888126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fEnTj2GNlU

Curious, do you think something like this reaches the lyrical level of poetry?

>>73885613
Nah, I think it's that low grade diluted bullshit. If you want the pure stuff, you gotta listen to kvlt Black Metal.

>>73885613
>is a genre of music that does not care about musicality, bullshit?
g idk

>>73888212
I'm a spiritual lyrical individual Spiritual lyrical hearable individual

>>73887835
is this some hot new pasta

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Rap and hip Hop are fine when the lyrics are meaningful but Trap should die like 80s hair metal at this point

Pic related

>>73886145
>>>73885870

i understand why dr octagon is important for paving the way for a lot of weirdo rap but i think his shit is so whack. he doesnt even flow on the beat and talks complete nonsense

>>73888305
Here's the full pasta


Aha, ayo
Who would've thought that a white boy would bring hip hop back?
Yo, I do it for the real hip hop you know what I'm sayin'?
Fuck Drake, real hip hop


I'm a spiritual lyrical individual spiritual miracle lyrical individual spiritual miracle individual
Skippin' and flippin' and dippin' and skippin' and flippin' and dippin' and illest to killest the skill is the realest
I'm the realest of the realest
I'm bringin' real hip hop back don't you ever forget it
Fuck Lil Wayne and the government's corrupt
Fuck the government cause I don't give a fuck
I'm the realest in the game cause I'm underground
Fuck that mainstream shit cause I don't give a fuck
I'm a spiritual lyrical miracle lyrical spiritual illest of miracle lyricals flippin' and dippin'


Real hip hop, don't you ever forget it
It's that underground shit, it's the white boy that said it
Real hip hop, don't you ever forget it
It's that underground shit, it's the white boy that said it

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You just didn't heer tha reel shiiet, OG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5LOYYMVPk

y'all, post some rap that:

1. Deals with more than money, sex or drugs, or at least deals with these themes in a more than surface level way.

2. Presents a certain degree of, if not melodical, at least rhytmical complexity (even through flows and rhyming, not necessarily through the beat).

I'm genuinely curious to see what comes out. Will listen to >>73886145 and some of >>73888212 .

>>73885649
haven't you ever heard of meter, noob

>>73887793
>Extremists, pro-rap or pro-rock
What is wrong with you?

am>>73888583, checkin >>73886145
First one,this is a pretty cool beat, his flow's kinda lazy and uninteresting though, the hook's shit.

Lyrics are random bullshit as far as I can figure it out. I get he's comparing himself to some sort of alien god coming down to earth, but he doesn't do anything with that. He's just like, yeah I'm an alien, I do alien shit.

>>73888583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLZXIXLoDjA

>>73886145
death memes, ehh, had already listened to them previously. It's...okay, couldn't understand Ride half the time so I googled the lyrics, don't think they're about anything in particular more than trying to sound good over the music. And that's okay, I guess.

>>73888776
thanks man, will take a look at this too after that Milo one

>but I can't believe anyone educated beyond a certain level takes hip hop seriously
Yeah I'm sorry but no. If there is anyone who loves Hip Hop, it's well educated millenials. Anyone who has ever attended an elite academic institution can confirm that all of those types listen to trap, electronic, r&b and maybe a bit of indie. The same is true of virtually all young, highly educated professionals I've met living in top tier cities and working in tech/law/finance/consulting/medicine etc.
http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/04/who-performed-at-each-ivy-concert
Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that they take they music "seriously" in the sense that they care about the lyrical content but I would submit that anyone who earnestly thinks that the lyricism of any other genre of popular music is "deep" is probably quite dumb. Additionally, I don't know how seriously they take the musicianship underpinning hip hop, but at the same time, most highly educated people who haven't studied music specifically aren't really in a position to critique that in any genre of music other than saying "it sounds good" or "I like it".

>>73887992
>>73888953
Forgot to quote

>>73885613
Maybe, maybe not. It's enjoyable bullshit though.

>>73888953
>millenials
Stopped reading right there

>>73888953
wow what a non-statement

>>73888953
>Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that they take they music "seriously" in the sense that they care about the lyrical content but I would submit that anyone who earnestly thinks that the lyricism of any other genre of popular music is "deep" is probably quite dumb
100% this.

>>73885649
You're a fucking idiot. Poetry is all about rhythm.

>>73889149
Not the one you replied to

No.

>>73888953

I used to think that music was one thing that everyone liked and appreciated but I don't believe that's the case anymore. Most people don't listen to their music with any amount of focus or scrutiny, just play that shit in the background and fuck it. Rap/Trap allows these kinds of people to quickly get the dopamine rush that we know comes with "predicting" parts of a song (whether it be a hook or a bass drop) along with simple repetitive beats to groove to.

I like enough rap and music with rap elements that I know I am not just biased against the whole concept of it all, but rap as a genre just seems to have very little staying power. I rarely find anyone discussing old rap greats, meanwhile everyone knows Nirvana, ACDC, Led Zeppelin et cetera, and in my own experience I get sick of rap music much quicker than other genres.

>>73889281
It is though. Have you ever actually read any poetry?

>>73889281

I'd love to attend a poetry reading of yours. I'm sure your take on The Raven would be interesting.

Do you also think classical music isn't rhythmic?

>>73888953
Thanks for the lengthy reply. I too have been around those kind of circles, but graduated 5 years ago, so I imagine it's only gotten even more popular. The fact that pophop is so present at ivy league/red brick uni concerts has nothing to do with the calibre of these institutions. It has everything to do with the fact that it's present everywhere though. It speaks to its overarching popularity. Hell, it IS pop music, has been for the past 10 years.

I'm sorry, but no one who is familiar with the history of music and/or musical theory to the point where they are literate in classical music and takes an active interest in history, literature and philosophy beyond community college gender studies classes takes hip hop seriously. Sure, some attend events just for social purposes, but they never listen to hip hop religiously at home.

I know there's been an active agenda to kill the high culture - low culture divide since the Frankfurt school, but no serious person buys it. Hip hop belongs to low culture and its place is at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy even within that context.

>>73885795
>What is glorious caucasians perfecting those genres so they sound listenable
your "caucasians" dont come close to the level of perfection blacks reached in jazz and blues. jazz is an art form you pleb, you wouldn't understand

>>73889282
To be fair, that's true with a lot of pop art/entertainment. I know fuck all about film and my favourite films are all entry level film equivalents of DSOTM and Revolver. Most people just don't care about the deeper layers of music. They want something catchy and fun, or catchy and sad etc. Plus there's always the element of what's cool at the moment.

>>73885613
Yo yo kill whitey but before that let me slang some rock yooo
*simple beats made by some jewish guy*

>>73888953
Its trendy to have white guilt bro and alot just listen to it ironically

>>73888212
this is pretty good senpai

The instrumentals are nice and smooth, the dude's voice somewhat irks me but I can't deny he's talented. Lots of nice lines here. Maybe I just like this cause it's music for pretentious teenagers and I'm a pretentious teenager, dunno. I'll take another look at this later, thanks for sharin' it. Eyedea's up next.

>>73888953
>>73889596
My 2 cents: rap - intended as speaking in a rhytmic way over a beat - often isn't high culture, but it can be. Sure, it very rarely is, even less so than other genres, but it's more due to its huge popularity (>>73889650 is right) and ghetto culture than due to some intrinsic flaw in the genre.

good rap, for the most part, ended in the nineties

>>73888212
insufferable

>>73889596
You're attacking a proposition that no one put forward in the first place - no one seriously argues that hip-hop artistically is on par with classical music ya dunce.

But nor is it inherently less worthy than other forms of popular music that have dominated the global cultural psyche in the past.

>>73889824
>But nor is it inherently less worthy than other forms of popular music that have dominated the global cultural psyche in the past.

I disagree. To begin with, the hip hop 'author' has died soon after the inception of the genre. There is a clear separation between those who produce the music and performers. Hell, there seems to be an increasing separation between lyricists and performers as well. This is less true for rock, jazz and their sub-genres. As far as other pop music goes, even though the same separation is apparent, at least its performers contribute through singing, which is a craft of its own.

As far as its textual/literary quality goes, hip hop is extremely self indulgent and historically/morally obtuse and superficial at best, or downright uneducated tribal savagery at worst.

Again this is not to say that all hip hop records are made the same. But the overwhelming majority intersect in a culture that is the lowest common denominator as far as artistic, moral and aesthetic sensibilities go.

>>73889988
Not anon you're replying to, fyi.

Agreed with the second part of your post. But why does the effort put into the music matter? And isn't rapping also a craft? That is, breath control, enunciation, coming up with interesting rhymes, etc.

>>73885613
I like rap from my own country. I find that we don't take it as seriously over here in scandiland. I'd link some good stuff, but I doubt anyone would get it.

>>73885754
>Can't even spell realest
Average intelligence of people who complain about rap desu

>>73888776
the beat overpowers the vocals, which don't ride on the beat very well themselves. It's...decent, his flow's not particularly good but not bad, his lyrics are sort of basic but also not bad.

>>73890074
Like I said, there seems to be an increasing distinction between those who write the lyrics and performers. As far as breath control, enunciation, etc goes, in other words, flow, it's primarily pre-programmed by the text itself. Also, let's cut the crap, flow is measurably easier to master than singing.

But yes, you're right, rapping is a craft. So is spoken word '''''''''''''poetry''''''''''. Balancing sticks on your nose while prancing through forests can also become a sport at which some will be better than others. I'm just saying it's probably not going to capture your imagination once you've been exposed to other sports and the bar is raised.

>>73890160
Sorry I guess I'm not listening to enough mentally stimulating rap

Get real

>>73887835
This guy nailed it.

>>73885848
Listen to To Pimp A Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar, it's really worth it.

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>>73886533
>they invented electronic music


AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>73891126
This but also check out clipping.

>Is rap music pure bullshit?
/mu/ cannot answer this question, because the knowledge and taste here concerning proper, classic hip hop is next to none

>>73886145
>>73886533
>>73887315
>>73888583
>>73888953
>>73890075
these posts support my point

>>73891563
I'm scandifag. I admit I don't listen to a lot of hiphop. More of a rock dude. Rapping is fine though. Its impressive the same way scat is.

Rap is pure cringe. Its also degenerate and is one of the main reasons why kids are so fucked now. Its also hella ravist: the black man slaving away and doing all the work to make the rich white (jewish) man richer. Rappers are slaves to the jew, they obey their every command.

>>73891743
>rap is as impressive as shit
sounds about right

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>>73891980
>tfw can't tell apart satire and genuine idiocy

bump because hip poop is garbage

>>73888583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fp89f8Dg8k

>>73888583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7QcYvwrnk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Jmuhy5O04

>>73886533
>These guys invented electronic music
jesus, is my memory just bad or has /mu/ always been this dumb

>>73887701

This is the same exact thing they said about people who listened to jazz in the 1920s.

>>73893767
mu fucking sucks

>>73888583

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wl3rM3AlC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS0XhXsmCRs

Let me know what you think.

>>73893942
So? This is in no way a counter-argument. They also said running was for crazy people in the 20s.

>>73894092

>trying to honestly defend a shitty disingenuous statement as a valid argument
>"uninformed person who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Western culture and inferior African tribes prancing around with plates in their lower lips"

What difference then? The majority of contemporary western music is heavily influenced by Africans and their descendants. If by "western culture" he's talking about classical music and by "inferior African tribal music" he means drums with folk singing/chanting; then both forms of music are so vastly different his own statement renders his entire point moot.

Also you have no qualms about his retarded generalization but a simple observation warrants a dignified response?

Fuck outta here.

>>73885635
>>73886533
90% of everything sucks, regardless of genre. People who think rap is more innovative than rock just know rap better and have found the gems of it, and vice versa. Both genres have potential for innovation, but the majority of the artists in each genre just do the same uninventive shit over and over. This is the case for every genre, whether it be rock, rap, pop, jazz, classical, ect. These "genre wars" are for faggots who listen to music to feel superior to others.

Innovative rap albums:
Deltron 3030
Enter the Wu-tang
Madvillainy
Damn
Dr. Octagonecologyst

Innovative rock:
In the Court of the Crimson King
Close to the Edge
Wish you Were Here
Selling England by the Pound
Hot Rats

Shut the fuck up and stop arguing over which genre is better because you've only heard the shitty stuff from the other genre you hate.

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Why do white people like rap and hip hop so much? It's not meant for them.

>>73887835
As a HUGE fan of progressive rock bands, who are known for their technecal skill in playing instruments, I can confirm that this guy is a fucking retard. Is all music produced electronically somehow "inferior," and below you? Piss off.

>>73888583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgmvg-zzctI

>>73888342
>but gangsta rap back like 80s crack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyJcntqBLY

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There's a lot of cringe in this thread and I'm convinced that maybe hip hop just isn't a white people thing. I don't mean that in a shock value way either--there are other genres that I can see white folks having trouble appreciating, like reggae, soca, naija music and r&b.

Rap music centralizes rhythm, lyrics and call-and-response elements over instrumentation. Is all rap Dostoyevsky tier? No. However, of rock/folk lyrics are the height of figurative language in music, then rap is undeniably the height of figurative language. You will be hard pressed to find a folk artist that can deliver and rhyme couplets together with the deftness of Nas or nail tone and poignancy like Jay-Z. As far as the elements of rap are concerned, rappers cover subject matter largely related to the social conciousness of black people. This varies regionally even--Young Thug raps about vice and self-indulgence as this is what is sought after both as an escape and an aspiration in poor communities. Kendrick challenges these themes in his music but also expresses a need to retain a connection to them because they effectively have become the culture he is a part of. When people say "rap is so self-indulgent" without citing the centralization of depression and depravity in metal, the focus of fleeting love in pop, or the pretentiousness that plagues folk I can only assume that they don't like rap because its sound and themes just arent relevant to their experience. Believe it or not, your experience highly shapes what you qualify as good. And maybe something isn't for you, but that doesn't make it juvenile or less legitimate.

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>>73894646
*rap is the height of literal language

I meant.

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>>73893767
Dude this is a post about rap music you have your answer

>>73894646
People who buy and go to rap concerts are mainly white people.

>>73886099

>being picky cunt about indie rock but refusing to believe that any rap outside the mainstream exists.


Anyway, clipping. and Aesop Rock are the first two that come to mind.

this thread is so fucking funny holy shit

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>>73887979

>Yes. The supposed art-form that has been subject to a propoganda-esque scope of being promoted amongst the youth for decades, deteriorating the innate Western values.

Congratulations, you're a living Chick Tract.

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>>73889493

You know English isn't the only language in the world right
Your conception isn't his

>>73894316
kys

>>73891121
word to ya motha

>>73894738
Yes, and? The argument is, despite its commercial appeal, is it a legitimate genre, or is it instant gratification dreck. You can go to a rap show and still contend that it's just something you listen to for fun and not actually something you find merit in.

>>73894316

You've lost the plot if you think any of those rap albums come close to ITCOTCK or CTTE.

You will never see a rap artist carry a song for 17 minutes straight (CTTE) because you simply can't pad out the same beat for that long with just rapping. You need to introduce melodic, lyrical, and rhythmic themes and reference the themes throughout the song and properly transition between sections all while keeping the song texturally coherent. You have to keep it dynamic and interesting while simultaneously leaving the most climactic moment for the finale.

Rapping is just the simplest and most efficient method of padding out a melody.