When talking real innovation/influence, this record is easily

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>>73817484
Hello son

>>73817513
>this decade

>>73817484
mbdtf didn't just bring a maximalist production trend, it completely altered the course of hip hop/r&b

i love vaporwave but its influence in the mainstream is neglible beyond the aesthetic level

>>73817570
>it completely altered the course of hip hop/r&b
How? The army of producers that was already being done in records before? The layers of colorful sounds with very slightly experimental textures that Timbaland, Weeknd, and Kanye himself already explored? For fucks sake it wasn't even the first record of its style within the hip hop AND rnb umbrella that year. That distinction goes to The ArchAndroid.

Eccojams' focus on a certain kind of sampling did a kind of nostalgia revival that has never been done before. Unlike the other stuff, it's actually kinda innovative, even if it's not the most popular (because such things never are the most popular, see The Velvet Underground.)

>>73817570
Eccojams isn't just vaporwave, it's an aesthetic approach that has resonated with most producers this decade

>>73817618
But it's far from the most improtant record of the decade.
I'm not going to argue it didn't do anything influential.
But Vaporwave impact in the music world now is little to nothing.

>>73818484
see >>73818401

>MUH AESTHETIC

Eccojams isn't innovative, it is just chopped and screwed for the tumblr generation.

>>73818514
So you think the massive wave of deconstructive, self-analytical works across electronic music this decade are just a fluke?

>>73818534

>deconstructive, self-analytical works across electronic music

oh you mean the stuff that started in like the fucking 50s?

>>73817484
from this decade maybe, but DJ Screw casts a huge shadow over it so I don't know how much influence I'd credit to Eccojams over his work

>>73818554
listen you sack of shit
obviously postmodernism hit its high in the 60's with Kagel, Berio, later Stockhausen et al.

but in electronic music you have far side virtual, vaporwave, PC music, dean blunt, etc. all cropping up this decade

SPECIFICALLY this decade

get it?

>>73818554
It sounds nothing like how they did it in the 50s though and aren't deconstructing the same thing?

>>73818534
>deconstructive, self-analytical works
lmao, is that what you consider this shit? what a fucking joke you are.

>>73818571 (You)
Not an argument.

>>73818570
Screw doesn't manipulate samples the way Lopatin does. You can hear this style on Lopatin's future releases like Replica and R+7 as well.

>>73818588
>>73818595
good arguments!

>>73818588
>deconstructive
>self-analytical
Lopatin's take on nostalgia is quite deconstructive as in unlike how it's normally approached in music as the romanticized thing it is, Lopatin's take is a lot more scientifically realistic. Science shows that the way we often remember things isn't how they went, especially the longer time goes on from that moment we try to remember. Our memories are getting...distorted. This is shown in this record in musical form by having these samples of older tracks that are not just chopped and screwed, but also with a lot of echo and a glitchier sampling style to show how these old memories aren't remembered, stored in our heads the way they once used to be. Perhaps we store them in a more fond light, or a darker light, but still distorted from how they actually went.

It's self-analytical because Lopatin used his own memories, his own favorite tracks, and old favorite video game of his (Ecco the Dolphin) as the focal point for the album.

This decade, we saw variations of retro revival (mainly 70s, 80s, and 90s) in various forms of culture. Most popularly in fashion, but also music, movies, video games, even with Donald Trump (make America great AGAIN.) But all of these aren't exact, they work off of a distorted look at how those things were at that older time , sometimes missing the point entirely (ex. Ghostbusters remake.)

So yeah, I think eccojams is for sure very important for this decade. Musically it has influenced what now feels like a majority of producers on bandcamp/soundcloud, with that style influencing other artists like James Ferraro with genres outside vaporwave like ambient, witch house, cloud rap, seapunk, etc.

>>73818707
>Ironic comment is suppose to be any better
Nobody takes you seriously. Accept that.

>>73818784
you'll get shit for this, or this copypasta will get shit, but for what it's worth I think you're on point

>>73818784
dude I totally resonate w your argument, you have a point. you're almost like a tmt writer with your opinion on Lopatin's influence on this decade

>>73818604
>Screw doesn't manipulate samples the way Lopatin does.
screw didn't have ableton live. like lopatin does

>>73818943
Screw only sampled hip hop mainly, and he doesn't do the thing Lopatin does where he repeats certain parts of loops during certain parts of a track to essentially create a new section in of itself. Screw's chopping would only be occasional to where it would sound like the song's lyrics have changed.

>>73819068
>and he doesn't do the thing Lopatin does where he repeats certain parts of loops during certain parts of a track to essentially create a new section in of itself.
because he didn't have access to todays technology that daniel does. sampling is so easy now thanks to youtube and all these streaming platforms. not forgetting daw's also
i like opn. but hes a product of the internet and this time.>>73818784 what's said here could have only been done in this era.

B6 is a fucking masterpiece.

>>73817484
>Randomly select songs from playlist
>Take a loop from some part of each song
>Apply ping pong delay
Album of The Decade™

>>73819241
>bored on /mu/
>make basic generalization as shitpost
>add trademark
Great post

>>73817484

Could you not argue that floral shoppe was mroe innovative>>

>>73819263
The only basic generalization here is Eccojams

>>73819314
Floral Shoppe is derivative of Eccojams and not as innovative

>>73819164
I am still not sure what you are trying to even insinuate. You can't come to the conclusion that Screw would've sampled like this if "he had the tech" because there's no way to know otherwise. Besides, for the sampling Dan's using sampler machines that have been available as early as the early 90s I believe.

Sure his sound is gonna be one this decade will be remembered by, but that's what I have been trying to say.

>>73819333
>Sure his sound is gonna be one this decade will be remembered by, but that's what I have been trying to say.
no this
when it comes to innovation
the black eyed peas have destroyed daniel at his own game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5e-bE93ZGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD4vsh1zDA
nice try tho

>>73817484
>thinking MBDTF is anything more than a pop rap album
Rap is literally disconnected from the world of serious music. MBDTF had no impact on the real music community.

Say what you want but vaporwave has influenced a lot of artists in the 2010's and it is arguably the most innovative form of musical expression this decade.

>>73819408
But his repeat sampling doesn't always equate to staccato stabs like the examples you posted? In fact it rarely happens that way.

>>73819451
2010s has been nothing but shit. so yeah i guess it makes sense now.

>>73819455
exactly. the black eyed peas somehow took a riff from a post-hardcore band and transformed it to a dance pop anthem that has reached millions of music lovers
thats innovation.
not just spamming a sample on a keyboard for kids who jerk off to porn all day.

>>73819493
>the black eyed peas somehow took a riff from a post-hardcore band and transformed it to a dance pop anthem that has reached millions of music lovers
>thats innovation.
wow
they used a sample
that's innovation right there
no one's sampled before have they?

>>73819530
not in the way black eyed peas have done it
show me another top 40 song that took a post-hardcore song and transformed it to a banger
i'll wait

>>73819570
>show me another top 40 song that took a post-hardcore song and transformed it to a banger
show me another Top40 song with a tiger in the music video that is also titled similar to an action done by said tiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8
i'll wait

>>73819630
even better
katy perry is good. just saw her in concert with my sister 2 weeks ago. eccojams can't even compete

>>73819493
Not really. That G C Em chord progression isn't even that uncommon. Listen to more music, pleb.

>>73819314
>
floral shoppe was a cheap attempt at recreating the sounds on eccojams. Vektroids other work is way better.

>>73817484
>white people discover chopped and screwed

>>73820230
You just described vaporwave as a whole

>>73820230
>>73820416
Nah, THIS is white people chopped and screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXFKWBUFm-E

>>73817484
CRinge.

>>73822084
great argument. back to twitch with you.

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>>73822178
>Even more so than MBDTF (as if maximalism wasn't already happening in pop/hip hop for years before that record).

What has it honestly influenced beyond vaporwave? That is a huge stretch. If you're looking exclusively at what's influenced "serious" music (blech) then I would say GKMC/TPAB are still way more relevant. Vaporwave's popularity/"artistic permanence" as a whole is way inflated on /mu.

Also Replica>EccoJams

>>73823383
OP is dumb.