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he's not wrong

HIP HOP on the other hand is exceptionally good and only racists disagree

>>73785359
He's right, you know

When did Rolling Stone hire musicians?

He's 100% correct. A lot of rap is barely even music. And the poetry is shit too.

>>73785359
Agreed with the vampire, rap is not music.

Hmmm...would you refer to it as Retards Attempting Peotry, mayhaps?

>>73785374
fpbp

>>73785374
What differentiates rap from hip hop?

>>73785359
He's right

BASED

>>73785755
How are you gonna use a meme that originated from a rapper to diss rap?

>>73785563
are you a newfag or something

>>73785359
FINALLY

>Keith Richard
>Rap is dumb

>Roger Daltrey
>Rock is dead, rap is the future

Who's right?

>>73785784
Both

>>73785359
He's 100% right. I remember reading about NAS' "Life's a Bitch" and the "genius" first verse and it's some retarded nigger yelling about stealing and selling drugs

>>73785359
Hip hop is fucking tiresome sometimes. I get his point. A fucking black dude talking shit about their ego and their social views for 5 minutes can be stressing.

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>>73785775
Said by a guy who made his career reinterpreting black music

>>73785799
15thpbp

>>73785359
Isn't he describing AC/DC?

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>>73785359

>>73785359
He's not wrong.
Rap is literally monotonous.
If you are tone deaf you would still be able to enjoy it, because you wouldn't need to decipher tonal changes.

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>>73786136
dug through my folder to get this but then saw post
thank you based anon

>>73785359
tuth

>>73785359
Old ppl are a mistake.

>>73786136
>>73787302
I don't understand this aversion towards the elderly.

lmao. keef made his career off of black music that whites didn't want to touch. just because you somehow survived this long doesn't mean your opinions matter

>>73787319
liberals want them to die out because they think that'll make their indoctrination techniques easier to utilize

>>73785359
But that's literally what the Stones do.

>>73787339
Grow.

>>73787353
>liberals

Oh boy here we go

>>73787381
?

>>73787339
>musician who had a long successful career's opinion on music doesn't matter

>>73787353
There are plenty of obnoxious out of touch rich white liberals. Look at Bill Mäher.

>>73787400
?

>>73785359
rap? more like crap amirite xDD!!!

>>73787409
good point. some people just never "get it"

>>73785359
SO DAMN TRUE LONG LIVE ROCK N ROLL /m/ BEST MUSIK EVAR I HATE THIS GENERATION SO MUCH ONLY POP SHIT XDXDXDDXX

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>>73787429
>>73787414

>>73785359
its surprising to find out he doesnt like rap, i mean he became rich by stealing black music and playing it for people who were scared of black people.

>>73787447
i challenge you to point out this black music by name(s) and explain similarities (let alone "stealing") using music theory.

>>73787440
love this Reddit meme. Have an upvote /r/TheDonald redpill warrior

>>73787469
Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson to name a few

Captain Beefheart and Lennon are to date the only white rockstars to properly credit their influences and try to reach it to them

>>73787469
>We got heavily into the blues – Chicago blues particularly because every major, modern blues artist was coming out of Chicago. . . we weren’t writing our own songs then. We were just playing mostly blues & rock ‘n roll-Chuck Berry, Jimmy Reed, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters stuff.” – Keith Richards

>>73787488
>>73787492
Can we not mix racial rhetoric into this

>>73787447

what a dumb statement

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>>73787488
Are you fucking serious? In the early days, when they were recording blues covers, they credited all the original artists.

When asked to perform on Shindig! they asked to have Howlin' Wolf perform as well. https://youtu.be/ILFjY2mbarg

Richards has always credited Berry as a huge influence on his style and guitar skills. Same with Muddy Waters (they played a gig with him in the early 80's that's on fucking DVD). Holy shit, you're a complete retard.

>>73785359
In the same interview, he also blasted metallica and black sabbath (metal in general).

guess he needs to accept that the cultural zeitgeist moves on and so do people.

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Hip-hop isn't going to shrivel up and die if you fail to stick up for it on /mu/.

You know that, don't you?

>>73785359
He has a point, especially about contemporary rap and hip-hop consisting of rattling high-hats, spammed bass, and lyrics about "muh white people muh struggles muh sadness muh weed." It isn't even as bragadocious or experimental as it used to be, it's been condensed down to trap mumbling and complaining.

>>73787555
No, MICK credited them. And Brian. Keith has always been a grumpy prick.

>>73787591
Fyi black people have been conditioned by higher-ups to complain and generally be useless mongrels.

>>73787603
>conditioned by higher-ups

Go to bed, Thomas Sowell.

>>73787603
>by higher ups

Why are you afraid of revealing your anti semitic conspiracies online? Did the Jews plant tracking devices in your walls?

>>73785563
>>73785776
I guess I'll be the only to say that rap got its name from the fact it sounds like someone knocking on a door?

>>73787636
who cares

>>73787621
>assuming the higher ups are all Jewish
what? Are you anti-Semitic or something bruh?

>>73787603
>responding to my post with faggy conspiracies
Kys

>>73785563
Rapping is the lyricism. Hip-hop is the music, which is why instrumental hip hop is a thing and instrumental rap wouldn't make any fucking sense.

>>73787662
They are used mostly interchangebly, though.

>>73787671
so?

>>73787691
What do you mean so? I was just adding on to my post.

>>73785465
Especially mumble rap.

>>73787639
t. party pooper

Keith Richards should do a mixtape if he thinks its so easy.

>>73787636
That's not even true. Rap is an acronym for Rhymth And Poetry.

>>73785359
forced ruse

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>its an old aging rocker hides his racism underneath his percieved "expertise" on music, when really he's just a junkie with a guitar

>>73789817
It's not racism (the Stones were influenced a lot by black bluesmen), just rock elitist disdain toward 'rival' genres such as hip hop or electronic music.

>>73785997
It's true

>>73787353
>liberals want them to die out
lol you haven't read the Trumpcare bill.

>>73789817
>rolling stones
>racist
owe 100% of their music to black bluesmen in America and they fucking know it
clueless whiteboi lmao go listen to some more kendrick and feel guilty about yourself

>>73787591
>it's been condensed down to trap mumbling and complaining.
Here here.

Rap is dead.

>>73787671
Are you from Reddit?

>>73787319
Ageism. Ignorant brats.

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>>73789817
> it's another nu-male angry that someone doesn't like rap ascribing it to racism

>>73785784
daltrey

>>73785784
Daltrey's perspective is about rap as a voice of the young generation, Keith's perspective is about the music itself
they're both right

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While the man is right about rap not needing to be in tune, and being essentially slam poetry with a rhythm, I will not agree with the faggot who sued The Verve over a clear sample of a song he not only stole to begin with, but wasn't even involved in the song sampled in the first place, all because he got butthurt over their success. What's even worse is that the faggots decided to just take the all the money and royalties like the filthy fucking jews they are rather than remove it from shelves. Fuck him I hope he dies slow

>>73785847
Yeah, I much prefer hearing a white dude talking shit about their ego and their social views for 5 minutes.

>>73785563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Kfrj--djw

>>73790539
Sampling without getting permission is a cardinal sin
I hope your precious Verve crash and burn

>>73785374
I don't know who started this Rap vs HipHop BS
it's just pathetic

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>>73790597
But what if it consent doh?

Rap is fucking garbage. If you disagree, you need to leave this board and go back to /r/hiphopheads.

>>73785563
All rap is hip hop but not all hip hop contains rap

Also this thread is shit and keith richards is a fucking idiot for saying some dumbass shit like that

Keith Richards is an angry old man who makes shit music, but he's right.

>>73787447
Fucking pleb. He has generously credited every artist he was inspired by, maybe more so than any other rock musician. He didn't "steal" black music, he was inspired by it and took it to the next level. Also, he was just as much inspired by country as with blues.

>>73785374
>only racists disagree
what

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>if you don't like hip hop you're racist
this ridiculous fallacy is the only reason why hip hop is even popular to begin with. people today don't give a shit about musical quality as long as what they're listening to is in line with their moral and political beliefs.

halfwits everywhere have been tricked into listening to simplistic, formulaic, uninspired garbage just because they feel morally compelled to do so.

this just goes to show just how little value modern society places on music as an art form. to the majority of the population it's just a vehicle for politics. S M H

>>73785359
Why is that Paul Mccartney embraces hiphop but he can't?

>>73785563
Hip-hop is an over arching metagenre that was created in the 1970's mostly by inner city blacks. The distinguishing feature of it is highly-stylized, mostly electronic music which is heavily focused on rhythm. It developed in such a way because people who live in inner cities, especially the poor areas where minorities are most likely to live, do not generally have access to the education and money to make traditional music using traditional instruments, but also because electronic synthesizers seems less daunting to the uneducated.

The genre features, again, mostly electronic music heavily focused on rhythm, with electronically generated percussion being the most frequently featured instrument. It incorporates dozens of sub-genres.

Hip hop is also a subculture primarily composed of four components: MCing/rapping, DJing/scratching (turntables), break dancing/b-boying, and graffiti art.

Rap is a style of vocal music that is comprised of rhythmic, rhymed chanting or speaking performed over a musical backing (which is what allows it to stand away from spoken poetry). Rap is most frequently performed over a hip-hop style back track, but that is not always the case. The defining features of rap include the content of the lyrics themselves being comprised of punchlines or wit, the complexity and meter of the rhyming itself in regards to the backing music, and the cadence and tone of the delivery itself.

Rap is a component of hip hop subculture. Hip-hop music and rap are two distinct genres of music entirely.

You can listen to hip-hop all day and never hear a single bar of rap. You can, infrequently, listen to rap and not hear any hip-hop music (think nu-metal). They are not interchangeable things.

>>73785359
He's wrong.

>>73787561
>he also blasted metallica and black sabbath
really goin' after the kids with that one

>>73789978
Yea, those 50 year-olds who haven't adapted to modern society and just want things to stay exactly how they were in the 70's and 80's certainly can be self-centered and spoiled. And also incredibly egotistical, legitimately believing that they know better, about any given subject regardless of their education, simply for having been alive a long time, without recognizing that a person could easily be an idiot for 60 or more years.

Oh, you meant the "kids" (read: anyone younger than me) who do the same shit?

Oh, it's almost like people are just naturally self-centered dicks and time doesn't really affect that at all.

>>73785359
ITT giving a shit about a junkies opinion

now playing big l

>>73791983
Big word for you: Wisdom. Kids have fuck all wisdom. You can't buy it, it has to be earned over time.

>>73792018
Big word for you: fallacy. You can be an idiot for 60 years, most people are. Simply living is no guarantee of learning anything, you have to actively seek learn from life to gain wisdom, and guess what most people don't do?

Pay attention some time and you'll realize there's as many bumbling fools who know fuck-all among the elderly as there are among the youth.

>>73792074
You'll be old one day too, never forget that. People like you have a crisis once they reach a certain age. Me? I'm just beginning to enjoy life.

>>73792074
truth is, when your poor widdle heart's broken, who do you come crying to? mum and dad know best you snotty little prick