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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UZq09F9RR4

Feliz Cuatro de Julio gringos

>>73733721

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who /dowland/ here

ayo holup. why tf was the last thread archived after only 75 posts? usually it hits around 300 or more

also, dowland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB9LXUtW2FM

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I find it weird that concert halls are always packed with the elderly. But if you look at video from old performances the audience is still elderly back then.

Classical music is ageless, but the audience is forever elderly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dSPJ2PbyYU

>>73734079
Depends on the events
Opera and BBC Proms always have more youth
Speaking of which, listening to old MET broadcasts is kind of fun. They're so enthusiastic it's kind of cute. They even laugh at the script's jokes, something you never hear these days desu

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>>73734307
I wish I had friends or a significant other to go to BBC Proms with... :*(

>>73734079
You have to be mature for classical. Often that means old, but sometimes young people are mature as well.

>>73733935
me

I like Gesänge der Frühe

>>73734428
if you told them you love agerich playing chopin you probably wouldn't have anyone who wanted to go with you anyway

I know many of you don't like chopin or at least play along for the sake of the meme, but I am genuinely interested in hearing specific criticisms of him as a composer. no I'm not a fanboy of chopin.

who here /bruckner/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVHvTrEM34

>>73735040
Essentially just pretty melodies for the right hand.
Couldn't write for orchestra or really any instruments beyond piano. His piano concerti are pretty hopeless with regards to orchestral writing and successful dialogue between soloist and orchestra.

Most great composers can write for more than one instrument, but somehow Chopin gets away with just the one and is still called "great".

>>73735577
but couldn't someone say the same about Debussy or Ravel?

>>73735675
No becuase both of those composers were master orchestrators and wrote at a very high level for orchestra, string quartet and a variety of other instrumentations.
They also had a lot more to their music than "pretty melodies for the right hand"

Why did the harpsichord fall out of favor? Now when I hear it it seems like a baroque meme. Sorry, Bach.

>>73735753
Pianofortes came into existence.

The ability to play at more dynamics than just "loud" and "soft" by altering the keyboard you play on (upper or lower) was a big draw card for the pianoforte.

>>73735778
by more dynamics do you mean the pedals or what?

List your top 5 favorite symphonies, by any composer

>>73735805
Being able to play louder or softer.
A Harpsichord plucks the strings, so the sounds is always the same dynamic (loudness).
Some harpsichords have 2 keyboards, one above the other. When you play the lower keyboard it triggers the upper one as well so the lower keyboard is louder than the upper.

Pianofortes have many different dynamics as the loudness depends on how hard you press the key. Modern pianos have even more dynamic range.

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Post Arne to piss off Ameriburgers on July 4th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_4xcS0qDOw
>>73733935
>emo crybaby
Fuck that little sissy bitch desu.

>>73735906
Martinů 1
Schnittke 2
Mahler 5
Martinů 4
Schnittke 1 because its crazy

>>73735923
interesting picks poly. reminder to self that I need to check more martinu

>>73735040
>wasnt a serious composer of counterpoint
>vast majority of music composed for the piano or with a piano (polish songs, cello sonata)

and composed pretty melodies for right hand anon is making an uneducated argument. you can pretty much read any of his mature works and theres plenty of left hand work (see op 54, op 61, op 58, and so on)

>>73735914
Why would that piss us off?

>>73735909
thanks anon

>>73735958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWMjxE17ypM

>>73735946
This is probably the best recording of No.1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHXxxE2WCoo
>uploaded 2015
>35 views
A travesty

This 4 is pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofciLQT2EmE

His Fantasia for oboe, string quartet, piano and theremin is excellent too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ukNmiDvmWk
This recording is good because its an ondes martenot instead of a theremin - more accurate pitch which is incredibly important for Martinů

His double concerto is great too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac

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I am finally ready to watch Wagner. What opera should I start with, and what performance?

I have no fucking idea where to start here.

>>73736238
something like tannhauser or der meistersinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl7oUK3sMQo

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Why the fuck is this compilation so hard to find? Amazon has it going for $100AUD a cd, after sticking it in my soulseek wishlist for weeks all I've been able to find is the first cd at 128kbps.
Anyone own a copy? Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

>>73736403
1658711 on rutracker

>>73736410
holy shit I can't believe I've never used rutracker before. god bless you.

>>73735040
Chopin strenght is in his unparalleled grasp on pianism (anyone who has played any of his pieces with any degree of competence knows what I'm talking about), and extreme sophistication in melodic development and treatment, a revolutionary harmonic vision and extreme familiarity with counterpoint.
All of these pros, which have academic legitimacy, can't be understood by amateurs, yet a master of singing technique will find Chopin's phrasing nothing short of miraculous.
Also his music is appreciated by the general public, so plebs tend to think that this is why we're still playing Chopin in conservatories and teaching Chopin's Etudes to virtually every piano student on Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuFkhhH6BJY
Opinions?

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>symphonic poem

>>73736238
Just dive into the Ring desu: so long as you have some semblance of an attention span you'll be fine. I went straight into the Ring and by the end of Rheingold I was really eager to see what happened in the rest of them, so it wasn't even like watching them was a chore. And once you've done the Ring, you won't be asking yourself the question of whether you can "do" the other operas, since they're all far shorter in comparison.
Go for the Boulez/Chereau Ring if you want a performance with visuals, then you can start getting autistic with Ring cycles throughout the ages.

>>73736238
start with berlioz - romeo et juliette
then tristan and isolde
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rom%C3%A9o_et_Juliette_%28Berlioz%29#Influence

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>>73738655
>Boulez's Wagner

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Give me a classical composition that floods over the world's fire, a piece that can fill any one person to the brim.

>>73738724
As far as recorded productions of the Ring go, there aren't really many as good as the Boulez/Chereau. If I were recommending a Cd recording then I would go for something else, but since this person is looking to get into Wagner for the first time, they're going to require something with visuals.

>>73738782
>floods over the world's fire
so, is soothing and calming?
Your image seems to imply the opposite - please be more specific about what you're looking for.

About to go out to watch the ROH broadcast of La Traviata that they show across the UK. Don't particularly know any of the cast and La Traviata is far from my favourite Verdi opera, but could b gud.

>>73738782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5aXSS0B4Dw

>>73739264
Oh, I'm only pulling images for "the sublime" out of google. You interpret the sentence however you like.

>>73738724
his Wagner is pretty good, actually. it's fleet of foot, consistently dramatic, smooth and transparent, etc.

it's just that his opting for a more chamber-esque sound is kinda contradictory when you consider the shitty acoustic he conducting his Parsifal and Ring in.

also some of his singers are just pretty shit. i think choosing Gwyneth Jones as the Brunnhilde for that production was a bad decision. she's wobbly, her diction is terrible, and the acting is merely ok.

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>>73734701
>you have to be mature for classical

Nah m8,, I'm an antinatalist

>>73735040
Can't modulate for shit. Its usually abrupt and not set up well or worse, he'll use some glissando to wash over it.

>>73738880
Boulez rendiition of the Ring is generally considered mediocre, and most of the musicians involved with it have dissociated their names from that interpretation.

>>73740421
>some of his singers are pretty shit
Euphemism of the century.

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>>73735711
>Debussy
>master orchestrator

>>73740674
>Nah m8,, I'm an incel
ftfy

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>>73740807
>muh nietzsche

>>73735906
Rautavaara 6
Messiaen Turangalila
Bruckner 8
Mahler 7
Schubert 6


in no particular order :^)

>>73740708
>Boulez rendiition of the Ring is generally considered mediocre
any controversy with that Ring usually has more to do with the production than the conducting, and these days, it's hard to be overly hard on the production considering how absolutely full retard opera productions have gone. generally it's critically rated fairly well, though, and, really, the only other DVD choice that is competitive is the Levine, which is treacherously slow even if the singers and traditional production are overall better (the directing is pretty cheesy, though)

>and most of the musicians involved with it have dissociated their names from that interpretation.
sources? sounds interesting. the only performers i know about who had a complicated relationship with those productions were some of the early ones, and they left.

>Euphemism of the century.
most of the cast isn't really a complete failure, though.
>Wotan
Mediocre, not bad
>Alberich
Decent
>Rhinemaidens
Good
>Loge
Good
>Mime
Very, very good
>Siegmund
Good
>Sieglinde
Decent
>Brünnhilde
Bad
>Siegfried
Mediocre
>Hagen
Slightly above mediocre
>anything Salminen touched
great

not going to go through every role, but yeah. generally speaking, it's poor leads supported by a decent to good supporting cast, and since it's that 80s, poor leads is unfortunately the norm. at least the acting is usually fairly good, though.

they should have tried to persuade Rene Kollo to stick around as the Siegfried desu. i've heard the early broadcasted performances of his Siegfried at that ring, and he puts in one of the best modern performances of the role, especially in the acting department.

happy 4th of july day

>>73740985
Secession was a mistake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpBHc8px_U

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTuOSwbho5Y

>>73738782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev18aiOLyrY

>>73736238
Furtwangler's La Scala Ring

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>>73733935
That's not John Dowland but yes I enjoy most of his work.

>>73733974
>>73734701
nice

>>73735914
>babbys triggered by mere words

>>73742416
>mere words
Yeah they were "mere" alright. Probably the most "mere" I've ever heard from a musician.

Happy 4th of July! I'll post some remarkable American classical here:

i'll just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP6A3DjY7pM

>>73743018
>the art of [own name]
What a conceited idiot lmfao

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It's burger day, post burgers

>>73742538
>implying
Then maybe you should hear more than one song instead of getting meme'd on.

>>73733238
i'm in the searching of something strange: a choral symphony with gregorian chants. Can someone tell me if there's something like that?

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>>73735556
Here

>>73743018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUkximrwHw

>>73735906
1 - Brian symphony no 1 ''Gothic''
2 - Mahler symphony no 1 ''Titan''
3 - Mendelssohn symphony no 3 ''Italian''
4 - Berlioz symphony ''fantastique''
5 - Wagner symphony in C major

>>73735906
Yoshimatsu symphony No.3
Beethven ninth symphony
Adams Harmonielehre (is a symphony except in the name)
Penderecki symphony No.7 seven gates of jerusalem
Gorecki symphony No.2 copernican

>>73738411
u mad about the symphonic poems?

>>73743729
*Beethoven

>>73743676
>Mendelssohn symphony no 3 ''Italian''
You mean "Scottish"

>>73735906
Mahler No. 5
Mendelssohn No. 4
Copland No. 3
Bernstein No. 2
Dukas Symphony in C

Bonus:
Glass No. 6
Klemperer No. 1

>>73733238
DAHNALD

Why does Sokolov sounds so majestic? Listen to the first chords of his Hammerklavier Sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6R-2W7UQhI
How can they sound so brilliant, heavy and almost istitutional in nature, as if you could hear in those chords the glitter of Austrian monarchy.

What technique does he use to obtain such a majestic effect?

>>73735556

/here/

am i a pleb for not enjoying his 4th and 6th as much as the rest of the symphonies?

>>73744127
No, the italian. i put the three because i follow the historical order, not the published one.

>>73744292
pretty slow allegro

>>73744498
So I guess you don't consider Lobgesang as a symphony

>>73744689
Actually i don't understand why Mendelssohn decided to call this a ''symphony''. Maybe because Beethoven's ninth choral symphony? Personally i consider this ''symphony'' a orchestral cantata

>>73744885
I read he never called it a symphony, it was only poshumously listed as a symphony

>>73736238

Probably easiest to get into the Ring by watching Rheingold (and Boulez/Chereau production is good to try out) but if you prefer a more conservative, less interventionist take on the staging, you could get DVDs of the Met under Levine in 1990ish. That version adheres pretty strictly to Wagner's ideas of what he wanted in the staging, but with modern stage effects and costumes. Also the Levine Ring has James Morris as Wotan who gives a way better vocal performance than Donald Macintyre.

If you want to go the recording route most people start with the Solti studio ring. Alternatively you could browse productions on Youtube and find one you like. Libretti for all the operas are available at http://www.rwagner.net/

>>73744909
Well, if i'm not wrong, he called it as a symphony-cantata.

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>>73744928
To clarify, I don't mean the singers in the Levine ring are in modern dress, I mean the costumes are designed to look like they're from a mythical age, but look more up to date than the simple stereotyped look that would've been in use at Bayreuth or the Met 50 years ago

Give me your neatest A. Vivaldi recordings.

>>73740192
Back. Soprano (Corinne Winters) had a rough first act so I was fearing the worst (since 80% of the opera is Violetta) but she grew into it and did a sterling job in the final act. Tenor (Atalla Ayan) was solid to good throughout: had a very consistent tone across his range and looked effortless when at the top (in comparison to the Violetta). Baritone was also really solid and effortless across the range, plus he looked like he could feasibly be Alfredo's father so points on that.
All in all, I still think Traviata is a bit of a boring opera, but sitting through it wasn't as much of a chore as I had expected: although the amarone may have contributed to that as well.
>>73740974
Kollo in the Janowski Ring is p. good, but I'm not sure what the state of video recordings of Janowski Rings are. I think Janowski was conducting the Ring from Bayreuth last year which I suffered through, but really weak cast for the most part. Walkure was a real, real test of my endurance.

>>73745904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3tXFG7qG8M

anyone have a list of all Jewish composers?

>>73746460
Why?

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I like classical music but I'm poor and hate people but love to go out in the rain when i can hear Satie Erik and with a girl with yellow plastics that dance and boots on shore with music from oratorylike dome and then see eyes and say I prefer to be.

>>73746509
I need to know who to avoid.

>>73746710
Avoid this thread.

>>73746460
Off the top of my head:
Mendelssohn
Mahler
Schoenberg
Bernstein
Gershwin
Feldman
Glass
Reich
Weill
Hammerstein
Irving Berlin
Ullmann
Zemlinsky
Ligeti
Klemperer (though more of a conductor)
Zorn
Schnittke
Ornstein
Hans Zimmer

>>73744223
Literally everyone on your list is Jewish. Not making a thing of it, I'm just wondering if that was deliberate or a coincidence?

>>73746851
Forgot Dukas and Aaron Copland

This thread is getting inane real quick.

>>73747055
Oy vey, shut it down!

>>73747055
How is making a genuine inquiry inane? What is silly or stupid about that?

>>73747112
>>73747144
You shmucks are finished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7OOVuP7Ehs

>>73747155
Someone is a schmuck for asking a question about the race of composers? Sounds pretty unreasonable to freak out like that, to be honest.

This is 4chan; nobody is getting offended by anti semitism.

Shock humor is staler than entry-level Chopan.

>>73747192
We know where this is headed. We've seen it all before.

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>>73746851
>>73747011
>>73747033
Thanks

>>73747294
Enjoy being a cultureless swinebucket. Can you even read sheet music?

>>73747314
Jews lack any artistic talent. They have a tendency to pervert white culture.

>>73747380
>white

There's that meme again.

>>73747221
>>73747267
>>73747314
No one is expressing "anti-semitism." One anon asked a question about which composers were Jewish and another pointed out a list of them. How is this objectively anti-anything? And where do you get off insulting an anon, calling them a "cultureless swinebucket" because they asked which composers were Jews? Why do you freak out and attack people then accuse them of being "anti-semitic" at the same time? What kind of absurd clown-world nonsense it that?

>>73747396
Yeah, white, you know, someone who is not Jewish or Arabic, is European, and is not a Mongoloid, Negroid, or mixed race person. Why do you threaten the integrity of an identity of a group? Do you do that with blacks? Do you go up to the African Studies mulatto girl and tell her blackness is a social construct? I highly doubt it.

>>73747451
>>73747415
yawn

how tryhard do you have to be? Nobody cares.

>>73747415
see:
>>73746710
>>73747380

>>73747494
>Say a bunch of bullshit
>Get called out and corrected
>"So tryhard, such pseudointellectual bullshit, why so anti-semitic! Yawn, so edgy, you probably think you are like so so edgy right? Probably think you're so cool, you cultureless retard!"
>Um, is that supposed to be an argument?

>>73747526
The last comment linked was posted after claims of "anti-semitism" and my comment.
Is it an expression of anti-semitism if they only want to listen to gentile composers? Jews prefer their own all of the time, is this anti-White?

What is it that a certain group of people, not going to say who, always assumes that they have the moral high ground, even as they pervert and subvert everything around them?

>>73747550
who are you quoting

>>73747600
My dude, this thread is for posting and discussing music, not for signaling super woke red pill euphoria.

>>73747641
thanks for sharing

You have 5 mikes to post your preferred recording of Beethoven 7.

What's the superior recording of Strauss's second horn concerto? The Dennis Brain one is excellent in every regard except sound quality since it's so old. Anything more modern that can compete with that one?

>>73747871

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFC_bKcoxPk

>>73740726
Yes anon do you have a reading comprehension problem

>>73747871
Carlos Kleiber

I also got to hear Riccardo Muti conduct this live last year and found it amazing, but I dont think they made a recording

>>73748579
Kleiber has a few recordings of the 7th.

>>73747011
I guess they write the best symphonies

>>73748602
Deutsche Grammophon

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>>73748817

is this /underrated/ or what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgXBp-oEIR0

>>73748859
Interesting picture, mind if I save it?

>>73748891
you can save it at reddit, faggot
take your shit normie memes over there

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>>73748511
Do you have a music comprehension problem?

Give me something cool from the early 1700's that I probably haven't heard before.

>>73749216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ9dXLmRlpo

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RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


WHAT ARE THE BEST PIECES FOR A REVOLUTION?!?!?!?!?
RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


REVOOOOOOOOLUTION!

>>73749016
Why are you flustured by my comment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRuK-3j0Qhc

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I used to think Gruppen (Abbado recording) was a mediocre piece but upon hearing this original version only did I truly realize it as a masterpiece.

https://youtu.be/1QLICwmOtjc

Who else /terrified/ here of the pieces they missed out on due to terrible performances.

>black Pamina
>white Monostatos
What did the Met mean by this?

>>73740726
Yes. Yes he was.

Post recommended video recordings of L'Orfeo, please.

>>73749216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-G0KSw78J0

>>73749560
wow wipeepo sure write some garbage ass "music" lmao

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>tfw listen to Martinu for the first time

is this /pseud/ general?

asking 4 a frend

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>>73750520
What piece would you rec?

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>>73750520
Martinů was quiet, introverted, and emotionally stolid when meeting persons he did not know well. He typically answered questions very slowly, even when conversing in his native Czech. He might fail to reciprocate socially when people would compliment his music, or do favors for him... This evidence was reviewed by a well-known autism neuroscientist who concurred that the composer had good evidence of having had an autistic spectrum disorder, most likely Asperger syndrome."

>>73750889
I was just listening to his first symphony that poly posted earlier in the thread. good stuff. will need to listen to his other recs.

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>>73750940
mfw I have all of his setbacks/eccentricities but none of his talents or accomplishments

>>73751018
It's time to kill ourselves senpai

STOP RIGHT THERE ANONS

POST YOUR FAVORITE PERFORMANCES FROM THIS DECADE SO FAR OR I'LL KILL YOUR WAIFU

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>>73745904
Literally no one does Vivaldi better than Carmignola.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F34QYKVsLrc
Chandler is a close second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFCioX7K5k

>>73752082
What are your thoughts on Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music?

>>73752143
I like Hogwood, just not as a Vivaldi interpreter. Academy of Ancient Music does much better with CPE, Benda and other transitional composers.

Who were the most CHAD composers?

Who were the most INCEL composers?

>>73752375
>CHAD
bach

>INCEL
beethoven

inb4 some dumbass says beethoven is chad

Who are some Chopin performers in the vein of Saint-Saens?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gOIOKB2k7Y
Was listening to this earlier, and I really like how distinguishable both hands are. Hear quite a bit of detail that I don't find in modern performers of Chopin at all.

>>73752375
>CHAD
chopin, petzold, me, the list goes on

>INCEL
you're waifu

>>73752375
Liszt and Rachmaninoff are chad.

Post your best pre-1940 recordings.

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>>73753379
>when the first electrical recording made sounds better than most other electrical recordings made for the next 10 years

>>73753135
>Chopin
>severe oneitis
>wife didn't even attend his funeral
>probably a virgin

Liszt was a true Chad though

>>73747871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNrGqHKoa8

>>73753635
Just an awkward guy that a lot of girls happened to like, everyone gives those guys way too much hate.

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>>73752375
>CHAD
Liszt, Skriabin, Stravinsky, Berg, Debussy, Saint-Saens, Rossini, Messianen, Verdi, Puccini.

>INCEL
Beethoven, Brahms, Reger, Webern, Rameau, Ravel, Boulez, Satie, Martinu, Griegg, Dvorak, Bruckner.

mem

>>73737054
>unparalleled

Bach exists. So does Debussy. So does literally john ireland. So does Grainger

>>73757023
You clearly do not know what pianism means in a compositional sense.

>>73757054
No I do. I'm just pretending that I don't.

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Can someone explain the compositional nature/structure of Crippled Symmetry (and Feldman at large), whatever I technically read about it just flies over my head, analogies or pictorial explanations preferred.

https://youtu.be/p3MDzm85Y6s

>>73753379
Oldest recordings I listen to is probably Harnoncourt's Musical Heritage desu

Why Ravel's String Quartet is so good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRQyyPowH0

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>>73753379
The only pre 1940 recording I have.

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>>73757564

How am I supposed to listen to old recordings?
For example I'm now listening to Schnabel's Beethoven's Sonatas cycle, and I'm pretty sure that all the dynamics are corrupted, in a way for which I can't even tell when he's playing fortissimo or how long he is holding notes. Due to this corruption these interpretations appear as nonsensical, especially when I compare them to better recorded ones.

How do I get used to "translating" the corrupting dynamics of old recordings? Is there a guide about it?

>>73758718
He was basically able to articulate the overall contour and philosophy of Debussy's string quartet better than Debussy could. And since the Debussy Quartet was already based on Grieg's it was quite a solid foundation.

>>73753379

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LWe2GS7O8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVj2tXT8nOo

>>73747871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFC_bKcoxPk

>>73735906
beethoven 9
beethoven 5
mozart 40
dvorak 9
beethoven 6

:^)

why does you-know-whos symphony 9 get played so much when the missa solemnis is much more compelling

>>73762558
It isn't as much of a meme (in the purest sense) as 9, meaning it's not performed as often.
Plus it's more difficult because of the demands it makes on the chorus.

>>73755724
what about mozart?

>>73762696
What are you opinions on the musician known as Konata Izumi?

>>73762707
qt

memsave

Petzold

>>73762558
ode to joy is catchy and memorable. I prefer the missa solemnis but no theme in that is as catchy

>>73744268
THE DELEGATES

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5onBf5RYM

>Enjoying music
Pure plebbery. I listen purely as research

Is there any actual good contemporary classical that is cutting edge?

>>73767334
no
classical music peaked and died with the rite

Am i the only one that has a hard time listening to full works? I listened to the first movement of that Martinu fantasia and i loved it, but i groan when i think about having to sit and listen to it for longer than that. Should i do something else while i listen?

>>73767878
Don't force yourself. Listen to the second movement some other time.
Doing something else like playing board games or painting or anything low intensity that isn't a computer game or anything with sound can help you make it through.

The best way to experience classical is live, where you have to sit through it, but we don't really get a chance to experience the pieces we want to every day (and certainly not Martinu), so just have to make do.

>>73767334
"Cutting Edge" implies doing new and unusual things and usually people don't consider new and unusual things "good" unless they're already interested in contemporary music and don't mind composers like Ferneyhough and Haas.

You could try some Haas string quartets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV7h04abies

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How to write good music with repeats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LeItI7AF3E
>clear themes
>nice, short movements
>simple but effective melodies
>as much of a "violin sonata" as a "basso continuo sonata", so the repeats allow you to focus on either voices well separately and discover new things with every repeat
>little development so that colorful improvisations on the second repeats are obvious and distinct
How to write bad music with repeats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9G11vxq2IQ
>tasteless melodies
>long, drawn out movements
>Haydn-esque mechanical (read: tiresome) sonata form
>theme already ritournello'd several times within one play, repeats don't reveal anything new
>no room for appreciable improv on the second repeat, it's basically like rewinding the record

>>73770292
the harpsichord is gay

>>73767334
listen to michael pisaro

>>73770380
Come back when your autism is cured then we'll talk

>>73770439
the harpsichord is the most autistic instrument known to man

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>>73770380
>muh dynamics!
>muh pedals!
>muh hammers!
t. pianotard

>>73770292
who else besides mahler varies the exposition repeat in symphonies?

>>73770486
desu senpai gimmie literally any instrument over the harpsichord

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>>73770504
Desu senpai your memepinion is discarded automatically.

>>73770560
>he said, whilst posting a meme 2hu

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>>73770568
>whilst

>>73749078
Who is the music equivalent of Bloom?

>>73770292
Okay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTgoVcP3YDs

Ambient or classical, what should i get into and why.

>>73771322
who cares
they're both [10 HOURS] Music For Studying | Meditation | Relaxation | Sleeping [Rain Sounds]

>>73771424
Disgusting

>>73771424
>Schnittke for Studying | Meditation | Relaxation | Sleeping
pls

>>73771322
classical - because it can be ambient. But ambient can never be classical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-Kyk0d3fE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdE01SoOBQ

>>73762558
When it comes to balance, orchestration and rehearsals the Missa Solemnis is as demanding as the 9th Symphony (if you've never played it in a orchestra, to these days, with all the technical and pedagogical advancements, half of the orchestra will have quite literally no strenght left at the end of it, so much that you can't plan to play anything after it, since, for example, your double bassists will not be able to play at not even 10% of their competence),while also still being a niche piece.
You should keep in mind that Beethoven wrote all of his symphonies for the great public, he wanted everyone in it, from the musicologist to the peasant, to be able to understand them. It's not the case for the Missa Solemnis, which, as the title may imply, is written either for enthusiasts and religious people.

>>73766202
The fugue in tutti on Hosanna in Excelsis, and the subsequent violin solo (all at the end of the Benedictus), are enough to get anyone riled up for days, especially if you're seeing it live.

>>73770292
>shitting on Schubert for his terrible use of repeats

So damn original! What's next? Schumann was a bad orchestrator? Liszt was a terrible counterpointist? Tchaikovsky really sucks at development? Enlighten us

Whose got the latest late romantic shit before early Schönberg?

>>73770779
Charles Rosen.

>>73762696
Mozart married early a woman he loved for his entire life, and was apparently a very prude person (although he still managed to charm a plethora of opera singers) both privately and in public (inb4 le shit jokes).
He is a chard in the same way an alpha devoted priest is a chad.

>>73773095
Berg is still late romanticism, and he comes after Schoenberg.
Among the influential ones, certainly Mahler. His 9th Symphony, which is the most groundbreaking piece in his repertoire, was written just 1 year before Pierrot Lunaire. But this is merely a generalization, apart from neo-Bachian composers like Reger, pretty much every serious composer in Europe in those years was a neo-romantic.

>>73773108
ew

>SWR finally getting around to their Rosbaud tapes
Yeeeessss
Glad it's not just one throw away release. Mozart set pls

>>73773095
I think Havergal brian before he started to compose his first symphony (1918)

>>73773132
>Mozart
>5.3 feet
>Chad

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>>73768546
"Haas is the dominant partner in a BDSM relationship with his wife, Mollena Williams-Haas.[5]"

Oh.. okay.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/arts/music/a-composer-and-his-wife-creativity-through-kink.html
"A Composer and His Wife: Creativity Through Kink."

Alright...

"The OkCupid message Mollena Williams received in December 2013 was, in some ways, standard. It was complimentary: “Wow — your profile is great.” It was confident: “I am an artist, very successful (probably member of the top 10 or 20 in my genre in the world).” It was polite, signing off with “warm wishes."

https://twitter.com/Mollena?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"Executive Slave & Muse. Funny. Friendly. Foulmouthed. Fabulous.Overachiever, Ass-Kicker, Submissive Scheherazade, Fat Fetish Model & Cupcake bitch. Jai Ganesh!"

Well then...

So, what's up with 21st century music? It seems like for the first time in history there is absolutely no ideological and aesthetic consensus. There's no bunch of old guys telling you what to write, no egomaniac narcissist composer with a personality cult going on, and generally no tradition that is held by more than 5 guys at a time.

So, is this permanent? Will a new Wagner/Boulez come up and force a new tradition on the world? More in general, are now narratives completely dead in art music?

>>73774341
5.3 feet in a manlet nation in the 18th century is not as terrible as it may seem. Regardless, Mozart was an easy-going, funny absolute genius. Looks were not a problem of his.

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>a sonic representation of ww1/ww2

>>73774704
It's because rich people now listen to the same music as plebs, and very few listen to quality music.

>>73775120
what if people like esterhazy, von swieten or razumovsky were memed by anons into liking the right kind of music. we can make it happen again.

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>>73774704
>>73775120
It has a lot to do with technology and globalization. I do not think we will have another aesthetic consensus anytime soon. The art world, at least in painting, is having a similar dilemma where new movements of aesthetics spring up and then disappear seemingly overnight.

>>73766697
>autism detected

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH2qoHxHCnI

>>73776400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0H-EAkLr8I

>>73735906
Mozart 40
Beethoven 5
Nielsen 4
Mahler 2
Schnittke 1

>>73749363
Nothing liberates the proletariat masses from bourgeois oppression quite like the 4th movement of Shosty 5

https://youtu.be/Ii-C_46NN2M?t=1870

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PxArwf7VWY
Why do future composers even try desu?

>>73746851
Its a veritable who's who of who sucks

Has anyone heard of this guy called Holst and his planets?

>>73778288
Yep. It's Gustav Holst, a English composer. He is most well known for hisorchestral suite The Planets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isic2Z2e2xs

>>73777349
Nielsen 5 is best Nielsen sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QvE9cKD54

Petzold