/classical/

Why are there so few recordings of Xenakis apart from Tamayo's orchestral set. Is the orchestral forces too large to make it viable??

stravinsky is lame, Le Sacre and Petrushka are his only good pieces
>>73714179
yeah I would say so, very technically intricate and difficult music

I mean think of how few recordings of Gruppen or Le Marteau there are.

>>73714594
Its a shame complete beethoven sonata and symphony cycles still come out every year but no one wants to put in the effort to engage contemporary stuff, is there any precedent to this or are we truly living in the ass backwards age.

Xenakis Edition**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtFGaHcWRk

>>73713934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlM0R1su7TI

>>73714845
>is there any precedent to this or are we truly living in the ass backwards age.

it's not accessible music
it's not even accessible by classical standards
less accessible things get performed more rarely because you get less money from them
preparing performances of a lot of contemporary music is time consuming and expensive, a lot of it is difficult to perform

The beauty of Mozart's string quintets!

>>73714845
thats because those pieces are beasts in another dimension. every new performance is a hunting party. already with stravinsky there is no connection to other dimensions, the pieces just stand for themselves, nobody gives a fuck about "who's the best stravinsky conductor".
the last composer with connection to platonic musical beasts was shostakovich.

>>73717307
>nobody gives a fuck about "who's the best stravinsky conductor"
heh

>>73717652
>very few conductors got that cubistic tranny meth lab segment right

>>73713934
A reminder that folder 3 has been incorporated into folder 7. I will be uploading more soon.

Time for Dowland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=613nUS1m3j8

>>73716377
Why hasn't anyone dabbled with VSL libraries to make it, the technology almost begs to be used for such purposes.

Also I would argue Rite is as difficult as any high level contemporary piece and yet it is frequently performed (not very well I might add), I just think they haven't entered into classical repertoire as quickly as they deserve owing to their radical departure from traditional forms.

Reminder that this website exists
http://www.theoperaplatform.eu/en/opera

I. Allegro/Presto
II. Andante/Adagio
III. Allegro/Presto
Why is it always this

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Reminder that he's fucking dead

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d50wroJBU_8

>>73720943
It isn't, but when it is it's because a fast movement helps capture attention at the beginning of the piece and a slow movement in the middle contrasts the fast movement. The logical contrast after a slow movement is a fast movement.

I don't get debussy, can someone explain his appeal

>>73721058
basically Virtuoso Satie

>>73719781
nah dude Rite is significantly easier than Stockhausen or Boulez
it's even easier than Messiaen

>>73721058
Impressionism in music. Shimmering textures, outlined shapes not definitely stated. Freedom of form. Luscious, rich orchestration. Sensuality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyK922PsUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVyKDDsM3s

>>73721289
Not really. Satie writes simple homophonic melodies. Debussy creates entire sound-worlds. Entirely different aesthetics, goals and executions. Debussy has much more range than Satie - he can be as simple as a Satie piece or as complex harmonically as Strauss

>>73721429
VIRTUOSO Satie

In what ways do Debussy, Ravel, Faure, and Satie differ?

>>73722249
Faure taught Debussy and Ravel and I think Satie as well. Personal favorite of them all, much more rooted in Romantic melody and style but still with the freeness of harmony that those composers had.

Debussy had the strongest philosophical urgings and made the most revolutionary music.

Ravel made music that is more harmonically sophisticated and more formally rooted I would say, but in that sense more traditional.

Satie was a wacko experimental guy.

>>73722297
indeed, Faure called Satie the laziest student he ever had

>>73721429
>debussy
>Luscious rich orchestration

Debussy is shit at orchestration. Basically everything that isn't a string or harp or woodwind is severely underutilised

>>73722347
tbf I don't think that makes him bad, he clearly had very different ambitions and ideas. even if I don't care to listen to his music because I think it's pretty fucking boring, the philosophy is very sound and you do get the "ancient Greek" feel of it.

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what are the best piano variations in the league of
Schumann:etudes symphoniques
Brahms: variations and fugue of Haendel theme
Beethoven: diabelli variations and others
Bach: clavierübung 4 and art of fugue
?

>>73722410
hey bud here's an idea

maybe if your instrument is very loud, it should only be used in moments where loud music is warranted

maybe it shouldn't just be thrown in every once in a while and completely destroy the mood

>>73722443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7ZtSRFVOs

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Do you think a competent player could sight-read these bars, or would the fingering be too sketchy and awkward?
https://clyp.it/wicu2o4i

They should be played with the right hand only, while the left had plays a vey simple melody on low registers (I've left it out from both the score and the clyp). Is it asking too much, or is this just an afterthought for virtuosos?

Sorry for the repost, but I'm very anxious about showing the full composition to my piano teacher.

>>73722443
The variations movements in Beethoven's late sonatas.

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>>73722614
the notation is awkward. if you don't want to merge the two voices, then the tails should point in opposite directions throughout the piece, like in pic related.

>>73722443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx0WE3vNekY

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>>73722815
>>73722590
thx brahs

>>73722795
I just highlighted it to waste less of your time and make the 2 voices more evident, on the score it will be more conventional.
At the moment I'm mainly concerned about wether this piece can be played easily by a virtuoso.

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Will he be remembered for anything besides his beauty?

>>73722940
>that haircut

What a goddamn metrosexual. I'm sure he spend at least 1 hours everyday on them.

>>73722969
>claims to be a traditional catholic
>has that haircut

Who is he fooling?

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>be american
>look into your own classical tradition
>film scores, jazz, noise

What a diverse and profound cultural heritage you've got there! Thanks God the entire culture industry is controlled by you guys. Phew! Imagine if it was controlled by those filthy French, Germans and Italians! Things would be sooooooo terrible.

>>73723147
The American tradition is Ives -> Varese -> Cage/Wolff/Feldman -> Young/Conrad -> Riley/Reich/Glass

>first act of symphony ends
>*cough* *COUGH*
>sounds of people accomodating their glutes in the sits
>*COUGH* *COUGH*
>*BRAAAAAAAAAP*
what did they mean by this?

>>73723196
Gershwin is still accepted as a legitimate composer in US conservatories, and students are still required to know some of his pieces.
Apart from that, I agree with you.

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I need an advice, and since I'm friendless I'll ask for it here.
I'm 20, I've discovered music a bit too late so I started my musical education only 1 year ago. So far I've been making miraculous progresses, so much that 2 composition teacher from my local conservatory are now giving me almost daily lessons for free.
Here's the deal: my parents have fucked up once again with their savings. They've always been extremely irresponsible, so much that they're now almost penniless, and they won't be entitled to social security once they'll get old. It does't help that they're in their mid 50s.
So, what is one supposed to do in cases like this? I have literally no doubt about my talent and vocation, but there is no way I'll be able to support myself, a family of mine and them too as a composer. Not in a million years.
Am I fucked? Should I just give up, pick something more lucrative and look at my dream from far away? God, the mere thought of it is enough to make me panic.
What would you do, fellow /classical/ anon?
Sorry for the blog, by the way.

>>73723729
yeah but Gershwin had an entirely different chronology that links with Jazz not classical music

how many modern classical composers cite Gershwin as inspiration

that's not saying he wasn't influential, just that you see more crossover Jazz guys citing Gershwin as important

>>73725090
composition and musicmaking in general should not be a primary occupation until you get offered enough money that it can become that

it's a lot of minimum wage/slightly above with composition on the side

if you truly enjoy it though (which you seem to) you'll reach the point if you keep up practice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqpxCp01OyE

hnng

>>73714179
Good thing is Tamayo is an excellent conductor

>>73719781
>Why hasn't anyone dabbled with VSL libraries to make it, the technology almost begs to be used for such purposes.

If a violinist could be actually replicated (and this takes in account personality and interpretation too, which goes into extremely obscure degrees of sophistication) through VSL libraries, that would become the absolute standard.

>Also I would argue Rite is as difficult as any high level contemporary piece and yet it is frequently performed (not very well I might add)
The Rite of Spring is perfectly comprehensible. It is based on forms, but said forms are still related to Stravinsky's preferences, so in certain sections you'll get string ostinatos not because a formula led him there, but because he liked the way they sounded and what they added to the piece. These decisions, which depends on a logic that is entirely arbitrary (what Stravinsky wants to compose, rather than the formal approaches of the post-WWII composers), are comprehensible to the typical music listener. Sure, he'll miss great theoric and rhytmic insights, but he can still approach those ostinatos.

>I just think they haven't entered into classical repertoire as quickly as they deserve owing to their radical departure from traditional forms.
They haven't done so because this music does not account for the listener. This is not a flaw, but in the real world it will lead to certain conclusions about contemporary music's legacy.
Basically, normies won't ever go to listen to Webern concerts en masse, it's a niche and it will always be.

>>73726363

I would imagine the rigorous machine like nature of software libraries would lend itself better to the pieces under discussion being almost nothing but exact patterns of sound but then again I am not a musician or conductor so it is merely my opinion. Check out this interpretation of Rite using VSL and tell me what you think

https://youtu.be/PB3njyDW8SY

Stravinsky said the grosse fuge is a contemporary piece that will always be contemporary, this seems to apply to contemporary (now) music as a whole, every single piece. What does this say about the music if it starts becoming so dissociated from an average understanding (unlike art music from 100+ years ago), theres an underlying symptom that I can't identify, it's almost as if the art world is taking off into its own sphere and the rest occupy their own and they just don't give a shit about the other.

Do you guys have like, a guide to classical for basic bitches? I've wanted to get into classical for years but I always struggle because I struggle to place everything and understand it in relation to each other

>>73727146
It's very simple
search for a composer you'd like to hear with this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era
Read a bit about him and search for some of his work on Youtube
Do this until you find something you like

>>73727196

I just want shit like https://youtu.be/IxFhKyOONvc

and https://youtu.be/6YgD4oldM04

>>73727146
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalresources/

>>73727254
Best stick to video game music.

Please please help me find this piece /mu/.
It's from the Romantic or late Classical at the very earliest; of that I'm pretty sure.
All I remember is a repeated timpani motif of CGAE CGAE CGAE CCCCCCCC BBBBBBBB C
I apologize for not being more specific with the notes. It's been a long time since I've played any kind of instrument, but I know the intervals are correct.
I had a gut feeling that it was Wagner, and I did find a timpani motif with the CGAE repetition at the end of Parsifal, but it was far too slow and only in the coda as opposed to throughout the movement.

>>73727296

Okay the second link is just VGM but the first link sounds like actual baroque stuff, I'm sure there's at least one or two composers that were a primary influence on that soundtrack

>>73727146
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/alimal/a-guide-to-20th-century-classical/

>>73727314
maybe timelink to the section in parsifal that you mean?

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>>73727476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjKFLax5NV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W4PJUOeVYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5FPC3nSn1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zHWp9nEL0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu94F7n-co0

what is the happiest movement of the beethoven's sonatas?
i can't decide if first of 21 or first of 32

>>73728256
The Hammerklavier mvmts 1 and 4. Their respective themes are Beethoven at its merriest.

>>73727904
Apparently I was wrong about the timpani in Parsifal. More of a glockenspiel or Parsifal Bells as I've found in this video, but this is the motif I was mentioning. Just imagine it at a faster and steadier tempo repeated at the end of a number of musical phrases and followed by strings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUfo1szjPIc

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Who here /bruckner/?

>>73728256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGBVSf7OE7M

>>73728236

see this is that good shit, thanks anon, I think I definitely have the strongest taste for baroque stuff

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who else likes music?

>>73728419

/here/

am I a pleb for not enjoying his 4th and 6th as much as the others. they just don't do it for me (expect the first and last movement of the 6th is pretty nice)

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Give me a classical composition that thrusts triumph out of a dark war, a piece that you would give a soldier's funeral.

>>73729804

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

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>>73729804
Haydn's, "Mass for Troubled Times," otherwise known as the Lord Nelson Mass describes your request to T. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2c58sWCC4

>>73729804

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziMbyj1I4Uo

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who /ornstein/ here

Petzold