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>Orgasm sounds

wew, this is good shit.

This is prog though

What exactly is prog rock? I love pink floyd but this whole time i just thought they were simply psychedelia lol.

>>73708647
Well Frank Zappa described Prog rock as "Anything that doesn't sound like regular rock"

>>73708647
progressive/art/psychedelic/experimental rock all have the same characteristics and sound. They're synonymous umbrella terms for any rock that isn't the standard verse chorus structure. Dont believe anyone who claims otherwise. Its all up to what the artist would rather call it.

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>>73708717
>progressive/art/psychedelic/experimental rock all have the same characteristics and sound

t. someone who's only heard King Crimson and Yes

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Currently listening to one of my favorite prog songs of all time

>>73708709
Then Nu-metal is progressive rock as well technically. Limp Bizkit is my favorite progressive rock band.

/fedora/ general?

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Genesis is the best prog band of all time tbqhfam

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The genre has lost its meaning after 1973 in my opinion. Larks' Tongues in Aspic was the last truly oldschool prog album in the original sense of the word.

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*Blocks your path*

>>73708878
Well I mean, he did say that back in the 70s. He was specifically talking about the bands being labelled with Progressive Rock around that time. Specifically saying bands like Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Genesis wasn't what he considered Progressive Rock.
I'm sure you're not stupid enough to actually consider Nu-Metal Progressive rock and you actually understand what Zappa was talking about. Hip-Hop doesn't sound like a regular rock? Is that Progressive rock, you moron.

>>73708709
Can post-rock be considered progressive then? I've always thought that bands like Tortoise and Pram would have been labeled as progressive rock if they were around earlier.

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Are they prog rock, /mu/?

>>73709026
Ive always seen them as much more of a pop rock group idk

>>73708958
I get you but this definition is not very specific by todays standards. Of course I understand that Zappa was refering for a the 70's solely with this statement.

(I was joking with the nu-metal stuff.)

>>73708996
If we put Post-rock against Zappa's broad description, sure. In the 90s it would have sounded pretty different compared to the alternative stuff coming out at the same time.

Progressive Rock - if we go by Zappa description again - is fairly relative and can be applied to any point in Rock's life, the entire point - if any - of Progressive music and Experimental music is to excel the artform forward and push new boundaries, if King Crimson were around now, instead of the 60s I personally don't think they'd be considered Progressive Rock, because of how much Classic prog rock has changed the face of Rock music. So, sure. Post-rock would have been pretty progressive in its time of conception, but now. There's quite a lot of post-rock and it's all starting to sound pretty similar.

>>73709162
>In the 90s it would have sounded pretty different
The first wave of post rock had already existed in the early 90's and it sounded very different from anything else that was around at that time. So if we go by this definition, I'm pretty sure that we can look at the "first wave Post Rock" (see: Tortoise, Stereolab, Moonshake, Pram, Long Fin Killie, Th' Faith Healers) as a new manifestation of progressive rock music. Interesting.

>>73709267
Technically the title of Post-rock is the same though right? I don't know much about Post-rock but the term must have been coined simply because Post-rock music is so disconnected from "rock" music it's basically not even rock music. Meaning, there would be Progressive Post-rock bands.

>>73708878
It is. Evanescence is LITERALLY prog metal with cabaret, emo and alt rock/industrial influences.

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>>73709395
"Post-rock" is just prog rock without the context of psychedelia.

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what is your guys' prog aoty? i strongly recommend this to anyone who likes mathy prog with a heavy emphasis on melody

https://featherwolftheband.bandcamp.com/

>>73708517
>Pink Floyd isn't prog because it isn't spork-core circus music

>>73709612
but /mu/ pretends that prog rock has NOTHING to do with psychedelic rock

>>73709643
got anything that isn't HURR LE METAL tripe?

what should I listen to by Yes after Close to the Edge, Fragile, and the Yes Album?

>>73709680
Relayer

>>73709680
going for the one and time & a word
avoid topographic oceans. its the contrarian pick around here and its godawful

>>73709643
Currently Yowie - Synchromysticism
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/yowie/synchromysticism/
But there hasn't been a lot of good Prog this year.

>>73709680
Relayer and Tales from the Topographic Ocean.

>>73709674
does that actually sound like metal to you? i don't hear any metal influence

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>>73709612
The original definition of post-rock is extremely vague, it's described as "music that's using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes".
Now that I think about it, I'd say that the main difference between prog- and post-rock is that while progressive rock's philosophy is about trying to expand the boundaries of rock music, post rock is all about deconstructing the formulas and conventions of rock.

>>73709717
>Currently Yowie - Synchromysticism
i love that album. that's actually how i found out about featherwolf. the two are playing a show together in san diego later this summer that i plan on attending.

>>73709653
I hate when they do that. It's because so many people's gateway drug is King Crimson, who deliberately forwent psychedelia whereas their contemporaries (Gong, Caravan, Hawkwind, Yes) all kept one foot firmly planted.

It's all to do with taste. I'm a psych freak so I like it when there's trippy shit but I get the need for the distinction. Progressive music is about challenging traditional functions of pop music. A lot of the psych conventions were considered traditional, hence the divide.

>>73709724
lol?

>>73709680
Genesis

>>73709757
>challenging traditional functions of pop music
huh? that sound an awful lot like the definition for experimental rock....

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This is the best prog rock album of all time. Period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4AhdWGci3c

>>73709775
Prog was experimental. Do people suggest otherwise?

>>73709759
what kind of metal does it sound like to you? the closest thing i can liken it to is mathrock

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>>73709779

>>73709680
Relayer
Then Going for the One

>>73709783
see>>73708717
>>73708774
i post this in every prog thread and get these sort of responses. there is so much overlap and similarities that the genre comes down to what the artist wants to call it.

>>73709785
mathrock is wank noodly metal you dumb bitch

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>TELL OF THE BIRTH
>TELL HOW WAR APPEARED ON EARTH
Literally try to name a better Prog song that is under 5 minutes long.
Protip: You can't.

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CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE MY COUNTRY LIES?

Name a better opener to a prog record.

>>73709855
i'm legitimately curious of how you would define metal because most mathrock sounds nothing like metal imo. metal is almost always played using blues/minor scales and mathrock almost never does. also, there's the question of riffing and striving for a heavy sound


.

>>73709845
Absolutely, although I would say prog has certain distinctive qualities.

- those harmonized guitar lines
- them motivic sequences
- that jazz sensibility lending itself to extended jams

At least with 70s prog or throwback bands, you just know it the moment you hear it. Difficult to articulate but instantly recognizable.

There's a reason the word "proggy" is used so frequently, though. I would classify Floyd as a psychedelic rock band overall but after Syd's departure they took a decidedly proggy turn, but I just wouldn't call them prog rock.

>>73709779
i listened to this album the other day and it almost made me fall asleep

solid 4

>>73709952
read a book and stop responding to me moran

>>73709958
oh i completely forgot about jazz rock. that and blues rock are the buzzword genres they use to distance dsotm from prog

>>73709990
>stop responding to me moran
okay

>>73709958
if something is proggy then its prog rock. kate bush is proggy and she is labeled as pop rock /art rock. art rock is synonymous with prog rock just without the elitism.

>>73710030
last warning...

>>73708837
Day of the Baphomets is The Mars Volta's best song and that is an objective fact

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>>73709026
No

>>73709643
either Bent Knee's Land Animal or glaswegian's severance; the former is pop prog and the latter is instrumental prog a la Oldfield, good shit

>>73710068
wOW I knew prog fans were autistic but you're a whole other breed

I'm not even the other dude, you're just being weird

>>73710076
is land animal as good as say so?

>>73710068
do you need a hug anon?

>>73710098
SHUT it

>>73710127
haven't heard Bent Knee's debut, but I'd say Say So is their weakest; so yeah Land Animal is definitely a step up

Shiny Eyed Babies > Land Animal > Say So - but even then Say So is great

Land Animal's closing track 'Boxes' is probably SOTY, it's beautiful

>>73710076
mars volta and bent knee are art rock NOT prog rock. literally two different genres XD

>>73710010
>that and blues rock are the buzzword genres they use to distance dsotm from prog
Ehhh, how so? Blues rock is about as far from prog rock as possible. Blues is actually probably responsible for prog rock as a reaction against the same traditional blues scales being repeated in pop music. Blues was everywhere in the 60s. Prog pushed back against that.

But you're right that bands have always tried to distance themselves from the label. It is kinda an industry word and not something the artists ever really pushed as a genre.

>>73710046
>art rock is synonymous with prog rock just without the elitism.
If by synonymous you mean it departs from the mainstream, then yes - but art rock is an even vaguer umbrella term than prog. Jeez. Any student who ever shit into a 4 track and turned it into an installation piece at uni can call themselves art rock. Prog has a certain set of features.

>>73710199
>XD
are you for real

Confining the term 'Prog rock' to the classic 70's sound is completely hypocritical - you're trying to conserve a genre which is meant to advance and challenge the boundaries and definitions of rock.

The Mars Volta is better than most 70's classic prog bands just for the sole basis of being one of the driving forces of the 21st century prog revival.

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especially this>>73708942
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>>73708942
dadprog elitism is real as shit, especially on /mu/

>>73710275
These people are no better than 'le wrong generation' kids who think The Beatles are the pinnacle of music just because they were revolutionary

>>73710311
Some of these people just said that prog bands from the 70s are good. not everyone who likes Genesis and Yes are "le wrong generation" fags.

>>73710242
>The Mars Volta is better than most 70's classic prog bands just for the sole basis of being one of the driving forces of the 21st century prog revival.
I'd say "as good" as many 70s classics and their importance to the movement's revival can't be understated.

Fantastic band. Also, distinctly prog while sounding very fresh... but listen to those features:

Harmonized Solos: [x]
Recurrent motovic departures: [x]
Jazzy af: [x]

They've always passed my sniff test and I labeled them prog the first time I listened to "Inertiatic ESP". Just sayin. I don't understand the elitism, either. It's like listening to Run DMC and saying it's not hip-hop.

If we dont go on Zappa's definition then what do we go on.

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Pretty sure this is still the prog album of the decade.

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>>73710448
wikipedia?

>>73710448
The characteristics of the music itself?

>>73710375
yes they are because old music is in fact
NOT
GOOD.

>>73710448
genres are garbage anyway. albums should be grouped by other albums that they sound similar too along with a list of influences by the artist. thats it.

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>>73710463
nah m8

I can't get over Wilson's hypocricy; there are transcripts of him talking smack about 70's revival prog bands like Transatlantic and The Flower Kings (specifically towards Roine Stolt) for stagnating the genre; saying that bands like Radiohead were the real progressives

Then years later comes out with his shameless 70s prog tribute album - it's good, don't get me wrong, but his hypocricy irks me

also pic related is prog album of the decade

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>>73710509
>yes they are because old music is in fact
>NOT
>GOOD.
Nigga, just fuck off with this low effort shit.

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>>73708517
>hows the new anathema?
Disappointing

Pic related is currently AOTY

New Steven Wilson is probably going to suck

>>73710509
>Because the music is in fact NOT GOOD
seriously? Grow up and let people like what they like.

>>73710549
what? a PROG artist saying that radiohead,etc are prog? you'd think he would know what hes talking about. sigh. what an IDIOT XD

>>73710537
Fair enough.

>>73710463
HCE is much better in my opinion.

>>73710537
That's a lot harder to search for, so it's objectively inferior to genres.

>>73710554
*twang*
*le weed reference*
*long drawn out noodly solo*
man talk about low effort
prog rock SUCKS

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>>73710549
Anubis is pretty good, didn't they release a new album recently?

Mystery is the superior neo prog band

>>73710560
thats alright but not as good as his previous work with airbag

i think the new steven wilson will be good but just not very proggy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4LfUDV1x5s
this is a GREAT abba inspired pop song

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>>73710624
I actually used to feel the same way but then I got out of high school.

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Anyone like Leprous here

I don't really like prog metal, but these guys are great, really interested in their new album.

>>73710642
god i hope the next mystery album is a concept album

>>73710592
Is baiting us your Sunday night entertainment or something?

>>73710642
Yeah, wasn't very impressed by it though - it's one of those very on-the-nose concept albums and I don't really dig that

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What do you lads think of this? Maybe my aoty so far

>>73710694
New single was pretty lame I thought, giving me doubts - loved The Congregation though

Super mad cos I'm missing them play Damnation Festival on their tour with Agent Fresco - check them out if you dig Leprous and Origin-era Muse

>>73710199
>art rock
not even a fucking genre, neither is anything else labeled art or pop. pop is pop and art is art

>>73710816
so pop cannot be art?

>>73710816
yeah sure buddy you DEFINITELY know what you're talking about

>>73710816
>pop is pop and art is art
explain Pop Tarts then

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Can't we all relax and get along?

>>73710747
Already know Agent Fresco, great band

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Who Big Big Train here

Really enjoyed their new album, better than Folkore

>>73710199
The Mars Volta are blatantly prog rock with the possible exception of their later stuff.

>>73710996
NOPE!
sorry sweetums...
but if it didn't come out in the 70s...
it isn't prog...

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>crtl + f "Premiata Forneria Marconi"
>no results

>>73710886
pop tarts are a type of sandwich

>>73708996
same with math rock too, there's a big difference between "progressive" and "prog"

>>73709855
>can't tell the difference between math rock and mathcore

>>73710275
name 20 (twenty) good prog bands that formed in the 21st century

>>73711043
this man, best italian prog band by far, wish they got more love around here

>>73712707
evanescence
radiohead
death grips
the list goes on...

>>73708837
Baphomets

Heres my personal definition of progressive rock.

-It has to still be rock obviously; aka band structure type music

-very important: it must be a sophisticated blend of rock and at least one other (though only one rarely makes something prog) genre/ musical style. By sophisticated, I mean that anyone less than well trained in musical theory/classical or jazz trained wouldnt be able to pull off a genuine progressive sound.

So for example,

-contemporary genres such as metal and post rock is allowed but some genres, such as jazz and classical are alot more proggier when integrated into rock.

All the sterotypical traits of prog such as long songs, a sense of experimentation, the use of non rock instruments, tempo/time sig changes, fantasy lyrics and lack of commercial vibes dont automatocally make something prog. They only mean something if given context.

>>73712751
Mere genre fusion isnt necessarily prog. It has to be deeply integrated into the music as a whole; an experimental vibe also helps.
Therefore most of these bands arent true prog. Just for example: Radiohead is prog related or progressive alternative at best while death grips is a fucking hip hop group with rock elements!

>>73711043
Tbh its not just pfm. Mostly (inferior) modern prog have been mentioned only.

>>73712728
stormy six was better

>>73709715
>>73709718
subtle kek

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>>73713246
man when did the dudes with a phd in Prog show up? wowserz i mean you guys MUST know what you're talking about right?
ATTENTION EVERYBODY
READ THESE GUYS POSTS
THEY KNOW THEIR SHIT LOL

>>73713949
people on /mu/ in the prog rock thread are pretentious. news to me.

>>73713949
Both of these are mine. It may be a personal definition but it still better than

>OH LOOK ODD TIME SIGNATURES, OH LOOK NOT NORMAL MUSIC IT MUST BE PROGGG!!!

Seriously Death Grips.. prog rock? Barely a rock band.

>>73714603
>barely
they're...not a rock band.
what the fuck is wrong with people on this board

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Prog metal > prog rock

>>73714659
lolono

>>73714659
Haha, lolno

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Wax Fang's new album
Not their best work but still nice to get something new from them

>>73714659
*posts prog metal equivalent of nsync or brokencyde

>>73709026
Depends on the song? They worked in many genres.

>>73710509
Your argument for it not being good is based on the length of time that it's existed? That's pretty retarded.

>>73714642
Hahaha im not the one who listed it as an example of a 'good modern prog band'

Should I go see Yes w/ Anderson, Rabin, and Wakeman

>>73715436
>watching old people relive their days of formerly glory while fumbling over the hard parts they can't do anymore because of them bones
if you love them you'll let them go

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>>73708517
I know this isnt prog, but I've recently been listening to Piper at the Gates of Dawn and was wonderring what bands/albums sound similar? I've heard some space rock bands like Nektar (who I like a lot) and Hawkwind who i plan on listenning to a bit more, but I haven't come across any psych rock which is like Piper.

>>73715307
you're getting angry over someone who posted a list of bands that are obviously not prog. you got baited and I'm pretty sure the guy wasn't even trying to bait you.

>>73714659
Prog rock has groove.

Metal doesnt have groove.

See a problem?

>>73715661
Im not the one angry. Somebody is pretty pleb tho.

Jadis is ok I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vlnMhnLe6k

I am loving Forever Comes to an End so far. I generally avoided modern prog but god damn I really am liking this album. I have a bunch of other 2017 prog albums on my backlog so I got some listening to do.

>>73716061
did you listen to disconnected last year?

>>73716155
I didn't. Modern prog is new to me. Is Disconnected any good?

>>73715593
I think the humour in the album also comes out in a lot of canterbury prog. Piper is such an interesting album cause of how noisy and abstract it is at times, it's like a mixture of Soft Machine and early Throbbing Gristle.

>>73716238
its basically the same. a bit more subdued but most airbag is. if you're completely new to modern prog get into gazpacho and steven wilson.

>>73716155
Bjorn's solo stuff is pretty much an extension to Airbag's discography anyway. Same shit so you should like it. Check out their debut album and All Rights Removed as well.

>>73716394
>>73716238

>>73716238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQV38RG_gIw

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>>73716360
What's the best album to start with Gazpacho?
>>73716394
I will, thank you!

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>>73708915
Quite agree

>>73715593
Check out The Soft Boys, Robyn Hitchcock and Lonely London Lad

>>73716467
People will tell you Night but I don't think thats a good starting point. All of their albums are so different you might as well just listen to some songs and hop into whichever one grabs you. Their first three albums were more cabaret/alt rock influenced but got more progressive as they went on.
bravo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEM8SnvQ8YY
when earth lets go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F96PmNbxFcA
firebird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phxMc4Pa2JQ
night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO22zDH7Ino
tick tock
https://youtu.be/3SpMbFAT084
missa atropos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qDcNLckKbI
march of ghosts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFvAlsQ-LwI
demon
https://youtu.be/0A03LT3UEEI
molok (newest)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlKGqLWg40Y

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>>73710667
you sound like you're still in high school desu

>>73710596
Sorry m8, but you have shit opinions. HCE is a steaming pile of shit in comparison to his other three albums. And it looks like this next one is going to be even worse.

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First time listening to this band since their last album came out. I'm kinda split about it. Used to love these guys and this project, and it was one of the first things I listened when I was first seriously getting into prog, but this seriously just doesn't do much for me anymore.

I like the bluesy playing and jams sprinkled throughout and that soft, winding outro to the first track is wonderful, but Morse's vocals are sometimes irritating in a way I can't really describe why. And some of the lyrics just reek of that psuedo-enlightened BS I'm sure isn't just unique to Transatlantic or Morse in the world of prog.

Anyone have any thoughts on them?

>>73718050
all of morse's stuff is like that. cant stand him

>>73718050
It gets worse over time, Transatlantic may as well be called Pastor Neal and the God Squad

>>73718059
Shame too if that's the case. I've been relistening to a bunch of prog rock I used to really enjoy and I recall enjoying some of Spock's Beard material

>>73718099
Neal Morse's Similtude of a Dream (or whatever it's called) from last year was excruciatingly dul

>>73710076
You're a faggot and that is an objective fact

>>73718942
lol tru senpai

I just listened to The Dark Side of The Moon for the first time the other day. For all of the hype and hundreds of sweaty neckbeards that I've seen wear the logo on a t-shirt over the years, I don't quite see why everyone creams themselves over it. It was enjoyable but I just don't get the seemingly universal love. What am I missing? Is it just me who feels this way?

>>73719013
I guess it was just 'groundbreaking' but yeah, it's grossly overrated

Animals and Wish You Were Here are vastly superior