How to bring Rock in the forefront?

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>>73698265
Tiddy

>>73698280
this,

we tiddy rock now

>>73698265

literally just be as noticeable as possible and make music that isn't sjw influenced EX: ANY TYPE OF INDIE GENRE

If all artists have to stoop to the cultural low that is trap, music has failed as an artform. Rock needs a new genre and better youth outreach. Unfortunately, that may just take another Beatles. Otherwise, we're going the way of jazz.

Since when is metal not considered rock? As far as I know these guys a doing pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-X-tZa_w

Rock is in dire need of some faster tempos. All these new bands sound like a fucking dirge rather than anything you'd put on for fun and enjoyment. Not to sound like Gene Simmons, but a little energy and enjoyment wouldn't kill you kids.

>>73698265
Pop and Hip Hop culture demonizes Rock music, Rock is now considered "weird" for teens. If Rock were to ever be as popular as it was, it would have to over though those two genres. But the constant circle jerk for those genres don't help.

>>73698340
Who? The only popular metal now is Metalcore or the the Big Four, and maybe like Opeth,

>>73698370
You forgot about all the ''nu-male'' metal that's also coming out. I think one of the reason these bands aren't as popular is because they don't want to be. People seem to see some kind of authenticity in metal when a band isn't well known.

>>73698265
Make a rockband full of black people that create memes like rappers do and the same type of music videos full of fat assed hoes
Basically MTV Hip Hop with guitars.
That's the only way.

>>73698398
the problem is in modern metal, if anything gains traction within the wider community it is guaranteed shit

>>73698340

Bands like those are selling laughable amounts of records compared to the successfull rock and metal bands of the past.

>>73698414
it's depressing how this seems like the most viable option

>>73698414
Lol that'd be cool if the music was refreshing. Do we really need memes and shit to get the youth?

>>73698424
Yeah well it's not the most popular genre anymore but it doesn't mean it's dead. It's going to happen to hip-hop too you know. People are attracted to novel ideas, rock isn't one anymore.

>>73698426
So music video killed the radiostar and bedroom producers' faster speed to make hits killed rock?

Maybe let it die and listen to music instead of genres?

>>73698449
Metal is cool but this is not what topic is about. If Rock gets parallel to rap and pop in popularity again. It will have to be softer than metal.

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>>73698414
all we need is a young nigga ripping bo diddley

The only way to fix the rock/rap dillema is to make whites repulsed with nigger culture. Jews control the music industry and if the people that pay for the music (whites) stop then the jews will churn out more rock music to fuel the newfound hatred of niggs.

Fucking wake up white people.
We are killing rock music.
Whites are singlehandedly funding every shitty rapper out there and we are the reason little matty b wants to be a rap star instead of a rock star. You think Jamal is paying for all the shit Kanye, Kendrick and Jay-Z own?

No. Its the white boize, and these darkies are the new rockstars because of people like you.

Save Rock Music /mu/
Spread the good word.

>tfw you will never be the next big thing in rock

>>73698583
Spread your fucking wings and fly faggot. You can do better than a mumbling roody poo.

>>73698583
Lmao i can dream and cope with sex and light drugs like the rest of the population

>>73698304
In New York I tiddy rock

>>73698649
I'd like to. I feel like I have really good ideas for songs sometimes, but I also really need to brush up on my theory before I make a serious attempt.
>>73698654
That stuff isn't good enough for me.

Honestly, if math rock or industrial rock were properly packaged I could see them weaseling their way into the mainstream. Make some industrial without edgy lyrics and a brighter sound and you could have a hit on your hands. Trap has shown that there's a decent market for unusual production.

>>73698265
>tfw i masturbated to this pic in 2008

>>73698710
I couldn't see that ever happening, and trap sounds the same as most other hip hop, don't kid yourself.

>>73698744
>tfw i masturbated to this pic in 2017

>>73698858
Trap has some remarkably forward thinking production. What Young Thug is spitting over is miles from boom bap and chopped up soul samples.

>>73698908
>forward thinking production
>the entire genre wouldn't exist without an TR808
lul

>>73698710

its not sound, its charisma

Marilyn Manson got deep into the Mainstream with the strangest sounding shit ever

Does industrial music count as rock? Honestly who cares if rock is in the forefront as people say, rock would only 'go the way of jazz' (that's a dumb statement) if it were intellectualized into the academia like Jazz is and become a part of that environment, or just becomes a echochamber of conformity. There will be rock that does this and rock that doesn't, and who cares if it does anyway?

the next big rock act will have a black lead

>>73699132
Industrial rock counts. Not pure industrial though.
>>73699152
I'm honestly super surprised Algiers isn't bigger.

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>>73699118
>strangest sounding shit ever

>>73699245

relatively speaking, of course - in terms of what usually is in the mainstream

>>73698265
It's coming back in Australia, which in turn is breaking international.

King Gizzard are an example of this. But Australia's lead acts at the moment are rock bands.

>>73699668
>It's coming back in Australia, which in turn is breaking international.
like australia means dick fuck to the rest of the world

>>73699774
King Gizzard played at coachella?

>>73698691
Then do it man. Get an 8 track recorder and record some riffs that are on your mind, listen to them, and then try to expand upon them. Thats what I'm doing, anyways.

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>>73698265
>Slash
>guitar hero

Pick one

>every time I make an observation about the world I find a thread about it on 4chan
weird. Anyways I just yesterday had this conversation with my lil sis when I looked at the artist line up for the same music festival I attended about 5 or 6 years ago and how all the headlining acts now are hip hop/pop artists instead of rock/metal bands.
Like everything else in life, trends come and go and I think the next generation of kids will steer towards bands again.

>>73699774
Patricians know Australia has a good music scene

Just let the music culture vulture press die. No one is really interested in the garbage they're covering, and a lot of the threads on this board seem to be showing that sort of resentment.

What actual rock bands need is someone with a fucking personality and charisma, who can endlessly troll the dumb press and call them out on their payola culture. Rock died because rock stars died. Dress flamboyant, act degenerate, be unrelentingly masculine and intellectually satisfying.

>>73698265
Music changes with the society
Hell i love jazz and 50s music but i dont demand it be brought back just beacause i hate Drake or Kendrick Lamar

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They will be the next bug rock band, just watch

>>73698307
>he thinks indie isn't sjw influenced
I have some bad news for you, anon

>implying white people will allow rock to come back
>implying white people aren't so obsessed with neoliberalism and political correctness that acting like a rock god will ever be permissible

It's actually super embarrassing. Hip hop the new rock and that's fucking facts

>>73698265
why? we don't need rock in the forefront, we just need hip hop out of the forefront.

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>>73701287
>>73701214
alright, grandpa.

>>73701304
Alright, senpai

Who was the last super popular rock band that normies knew and liked to listen to? Red Hot Chili Peppers? blink-182?

>>73701234
Wtf is bug rock

>>73701595
>>73701595
Lmao do you not remember the 2000s when mtv still played music, would play rock videos too, have rock artists at TRL too. They did this with pop and rap too though. I'd say my chemical romance, linkin park, all american rejects, etc.

>>73698323
The Beatles are worse than most trap artists today

>>73698265
desu, it has to somehow envolve hip-hop and electronic.
inb4 le nu nu metal memes come out.
you don't really have to rap, but the production style will need to be similar.
so loops n loops.desu the blueprint for this is probably radiohead's experimental era (kid a amenesiac, HTTT.)
>also le no screaming because millennials don't like screaming.

Look at it this way, sure they are a mainstream band. Sure they are kinda shit. But at least its something other than rap, or electro-pop thats getting attention. By all standards this is "rock music" and it isnt numale indie shite either. I gurantee in 10-15 years /mu/ will do a complete 180 on their opinion of this band just like you cunts did with NIN and Paramore.

>>73698908
If only he rapped good :/

>>73702316
desu desu desu xDDD

>>73698323
>youth outreach
This is precisely the problem. Fuck off.

>>73698307
>>73701235
What type of pure ideology am I reading

>>73702316
You're retarded. You're suggesting using technology to attempt to accomplish things that talent and ingenuity have fallen short of. Everybody's being doing this for the better part of 30 years and look at what it's getting us. Fuck you, tween.

>>73698265
To fit in with the new "cool to be socially conscious" trend in music (see: Pitchfork), the next big rock musician will probably have to be either be black, female, transgendered, or some amalgamation.

>>73698370
>thinking opeth is not a a somewhat "cult" band
Dream theater is a more popular prog-metal band, it sells stadiums. Opeth does venues

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>>73698560

Maybe let it die and listen to music instead of genres?

There is no way you have exhausted every good rock album available to you so who cares

>>73702658
>being socially conscious in music is a new trend

Just
Stop

PAYOLA IS THE ONLY ANSWER

EVERYONE SAYING ANOTHER THING IS LYING

WELL MAYBE YOUTUBE BOTS TO MAKE STUFF GO TO MAIN PAGE

>>73702658
>To fit in with the new "cool to be socially conscious" trend (see: Pitchfork), the next big rock musician will probably have to be either be black, female, transgendered, or some amalgamation.

>>73701595
Arctic Monkeys

>>73702658
Kek it's probably going to be a spic.

>>73702909
>WELL MAYBE YOUTUBE BOTS TO MAKE STUFF GO TO MAIN PAGE


This could work, but you would need to spam 2 songs of the same artist at the same time or people will think "this is the best thing I ever saw at my life" and for some unknown reason won't search the other songs from the same artist.

And then if you spam two songs, the thing will become too obvious and YouTube will remove it. Maybe selecting two old and different channels with their songs will do the work, but I don't know

>>73698265
Why do you care if it's in the forefront or not?

Whenever a genre becomes in the forefront it's corrupted and watered down for the masses.

Keep rock in the underground as a pleb filter. Let all the other awful genres rot in public.

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>>73702650
Don't be a fucking moron. You idiots who don't even use midis or daw. Know that most hip-hip/trap producers use presets already made. That means you basically have the whole songs catchy beat half made.
A lot of underground Producers make their beats with midi controllers (equal to an electronic keyboard) so therefore you do need talent to make amazing electronic based music. People like you are killing rock.

>>73702957
>YOUTUBE IS THE ONLY VEHICLE FOR MUSIC
Stop

Also
>the thing will become too obvious and YouTube will remove it
I don't think you understand how payola works

>>73702957
https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/how-to-buy-youtube-views/

Labels buy views all the time. Don't be naive

>>73702990
I know how to use DAWs, shithead. I've come to the conclusion that it's not a sufficient substitution for communicating, with music, in real time. It will never be. All it leads to is looking for the next novel-sounding Serum patch, and then play it through the same fucking IV - V - vii progression in whack ass block voicings. Even the physicality of speakers places limits on what key centers even sound good on large systems.

It's sonic cocaine; it feels good for like 5 minutes and leaves you completely dissatisfied.

>>73698265
Rock music is fucking boring. It will never be popular again.

>>73703133
>I know how to use DAWs, shithead. I've come to the conclusion that it's not a sufficient substitution for communicating, with music
Different anon here. What if you are a live band recording to a DAW?

>>73698265
A lot of teens still like "Alternative" music/culture like they did in the 00's. As can be seen with 21 Pilots' success, there's currently a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE void for edgy rock artists with a "unique" sound. The problem is that most innovative artists are the antithesis of edgy these days, and most edgelords aren't original. This should be obvious desu

>>73703188
I'm not trashing the whole concept. I get that it's a practical improvement on things that existed before and there's nothing wrong with that. But I can't tell you how many people I know personally ruined their albums because they couldn't stop monkeying around with the layering and arrangements and compression and whatnot.

My grievance is less with the technology and more that people keep thinking that those boosted mids and wacky sci-fi sounds make their music sound "new" when in reality, it's the just the best way to sound dated and corny in a short five years' time. And that goes for every genre. Chasing novelty is creative suicide, period.

>>73698414
They tried it with Nu-Metal and Hollywood Undead

>>73698265
There's no way because every time a possibly big rock band comes around all the people who are into rock make fun of them because they're too popular so they either. A) fade out of relevance or B)Make even more poppy music to appeal to a different audience

>>73702745
Being this ignorant about the true reason why rock music isnt at the forefront of the public eye. Dont waste my time with a fucking meme and tell me how to solve the problem you shitstick.

>the fuck you think is the reason?

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>>73703936

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Rock is already in the forefront

>>73698948
>rock
>forward thinking production
>the entire genre wouldn't exist without a guitar
huh

>>73701900

Rock for bugmen

>>73698265
In generation that's hellbent on heavy sub-bass or any other tactics that are commonly used in trap music alone, it's very difficult to remedy that in rock music. A lot of bands are playing with just making extensive symphony-esque tracks and it seems to be working for them.

>>73705508
>guitar pedals what's that

>>73698265
MOMMY

>>73698560
lmao #woke #redbill amirite? nigger nigger nigger jews jews jews bush did 9/11

>>73698265
Well, pop punk culture is alive and well. As a genre it needs more maturity, but not necessarily to sell records. But kids see pop punkers whining about their ex-gf and social anxiety, and rappers with hoes and Bugattis, which is more appealing?

>>73698355
Pop punk has most metal beat out here, except power and speed metal.

>>73707843
Did you time travel from the year 2003 to make this awful post?

>>73707843
Sorry, I meant fast tempo, not metal beat. IDK what I was typing. Modern metal is too slow and heavy. It doesn't appeal to the masses like Ozzy did.

>>73702245
I personally think the beatles are overrated to a degree but you obviously haven't heard Revolver and the albums that follow.

>>73702316
Radiohead is my favorite band. I think you're right and probably gonna have to take some notes from New Order and Calvin Harris.

>>73702945
I hope so now

>>73702977
Because it deserves to be. Fuck being underground

>>73706603
Wtf is that

>>73702245
Lol

>>73703287
Is 21 pilots really what's considered alternative rock nowadays wtf

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>>73708157
>Radiohead is my favorite band

Let's just become really smart, build time machines, and bring AC/DC (with Scott), Asia (with Wetton), and other old rock hits into the present.

>>73709181
It's genuinely as alternative as the alternative rock from the 90s was, that is to say, not really at all.

>How to bring Rock in the forefront?
Be King Gizzard or QOTSA

>>73709205
>radiohead is bad meme

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>>73698414
Literally this. Give Xxxtenacion and Lil Uzi Vert guitars.

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wait till my band drops our ep next year

>>73698355
>Rock is in dire need of some faster tempos. All these new bands sound like a fucking dirge rather than anything you'd put on for fun and enjoyment

Christgau has always believed that good rock requires momentum and get you headbanging. I think that's why he never liked 70s AOR, because most of those bands were too dirgy.

>>73707895
>Modern metal is too slow and heavy. It doesn't appeal to the masses like Ozzy did
>Black Sabbath weren't slow and heavy

>>73709537
Still had a pop sensibility though.

>>73701214
Jazz died out in the mainstream because it stopped being fast and danceable, it turned into pretentious noodling like John Coltrane.

Ke$ha is a pretty good guitarist (or, was back when she was relevant, but I digress) however she only played guitar live and not in the studio because the record label suits were convinced that guitar music didn't sell these days.

>>73698265
I want to suck on mommy's boobiss

If I saw her in the grocery store I would ask her to fuck, no strings attached

>>73698265
We just need a new catalyst rockstar, someone with balls and talent.

>>73701595
Green Day. Nirvana if we're counting actual good bands.

>>73702658
Grunge was literally the opposite of this. As long as the band stands out and have their own unique, quirky character, it will break through imo.

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>>73702745

>>73705434
Wait, what? How is this possible?

>>73701595
American Idiot was the last mega rock album.

>>73701234
What the fuck is a bug rock?

>>73705434
>>73710559
Imagine dragons / barely not even really rock counts

I live in a pretty big city and our butt rock station stooped down to playing 90s shit that everybody loves + this newer pop that just so happens to have guitars every now and then

I suggest by being edgy and dark again. Like rap is doing. Rap metal could work this time around. We need Post-Nu-Metal. Trap-Metal.

>>73710666
I think I have to agree, Satan. Rock is at it's best when it's dark, edgy, and against the grind. Hopefully SOME type of rock band can go against the grind and stand out.

>>73710252
same.

>>73698744
>>73698866
>2000 and whatever
>masturbating to pictures
youre on the internet, you know right

>>73702990
as someone who makes shitty electronic and analog music doing both well is equally difficult

>>73711189
Man don't even, I called the photo porn boards retarded in some other thread (they are) and the photo masturbation defense crew came out in full force. Apparently people still do actually pleasure themselves to still images in the year of our lord 2017.

>>73711300
>jerking off to pictures
>not jerking off to HD video porn then closing your eyes for the last 10 seconds to imagine the face of your friend with one benifit
plebs

>>73703936
It isn't even a problem, unless you're so deep in your bizarre Aspy rage that you take these threads seriously

>>73701234
the album cover looks like a bug

>>73703537
That's the bedroom producer problem. Being able to instantly slap an L2 on your track means it's really easy to convince yourself to be lazy and not worry about gain staging, eq, or transients. If it sounds overcompressed and distorted because you only ever made stuff louder, not quieter, then you call it "raw" or "blown out".

>>73711395
>WHAT I LIKE ISNT POPULAR I WANNA MAKE IT POPULAR
buddy, let me tell you I really love comics, and now that theyre popular am I happy? no, it sucks now. enjoy what you enjoy, your wasting your time trying to make your art-form more accessible and inherently shittier

>>73698265
>incorporate trap production techniques
are you a fucking moron?

>>73703133
I agree. DAW's will take a VERY long time to ever give the same kind of tone and variation that a guitar or any other kind of mechanical instrument gives.

>>73709278
this

>>73712545
>>73703133
why do you guys comment when you make it so obvious that you don't know what you're talking about lol

>>73702245
george harisons songs are good

>>73701595
Arctic Monkeys

>>73713092
lmao for real, it's like they tried using a cracked version of fl for a week and all of a sudden they think they understand every facet of production

You need rock stars who are edgy and larger-than-life, hip-hop still manages to pull this off, but no "modern" rock group like Tame Impala or Royal Blood does it.

>>73713354
Yeah too neutered.

>>73702633
no poles allowed

>>73713092
>>73713307
DAW and synth based music either results in /bleep/ or this sonic meatloaf. Prove me wrong.

>>73714834
Pretty much anything you can do on an instrument you can do in a DAW and more if you know how and have the patience

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This is the ideal rock star. You may not like it, but this is what peak Rock n Roll looks like. Best get with the times or step aside, fags.

>>73715272
So you don't know what a good band sounds like.

>>73701274
"/pol/tards Mistakenly Using The Term Neoliberalism In A Context Where It's Completely Irrelevant" is my new favorite genre of posts.

Anne Lawfull

If I take my band, which has a half black drummer and a Korean dude who does guitar keys and violin, and push a cartoonishly communist agenda in a way that people can't tell if we're serious or not and punch up at a bunch of bands in a way that seems socially conscious we can get all the p4k support we could handle?

>>73698357
Limp Bizkit covered both pop and hip hop quite well... but that was 18 years ago.

>>73699118
He had a couple of cool songs with cool music videos 20 years ago... and like all the rest he turned into boring shit. When the music starts sounding boring it don't matter how much charisma a person has. I ain't buying albums to listen to a guy talk and laugh. I want great music.

>>73703287
It's not about "kids today still like...". Kids today don't listen to alternative/rock/metal because they've never heard any great rock/metal in the top 50 music charts because there is none. New bands need to come just like all the early 90s bands came with new music that was also good enough to get into the top 10 mainstream music charts.

Rap is having a punk phase right now. Artists like XXXten, Suicide boys, Bones, Ghostemane, Denzel Curry, Lil Ugly Mane, etc are all punk and metal influenced.

In a few years your gonna see rock and rap cross over but it won't be trash like the late Nineties

>>73703873
What rock bands from the past 10 years have been "too" popular?

>>73716866
Limp Bizkit and some other bands did actually have a lot of good songs. It's the only reason they got big and famous.

>>73709205
Hey I wasn't being a cunt bout it. If you dont like them thats cool.

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>>73706847
How do you permit effect pedals within the guitar, but all digital processing of sound does not count towards the diversity of the 808? I mean for fucks sake, you don't give techno shit for overreliance on the 909, cause it's about what you do with the 909. You don't call acid house shit cause it's all tb-303. You can't have both "guitars aren't all the same cause effect pedals" and "trap is all 808", especially cause I'm pretty sure most modern trap production doesn't use an actual 808.

>>73698560
>fix music stolen from black people
>do it by ignoring black people
you ever stop to think that maybe Led Zeppeling and the Rolling Stones only made halfway decent music cause they were ripping off black artists you absolute mong