ITT: anti-fascist albums

>>73694153
incoming shitposts

Swans are auth center

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>>73694153
I'm a Fascist and love this album.

>>73694166
>wahhh wahhhhh muh safe space free from /pol/ posters

Fuck off, you have to go back >>>/tumblr/

>>73694716
This is a strawman argument because he did not demand a "safe space", he accurately predicted that this thread will have shitposts in it

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>>73694701
It takes two to wage a war, Fascists at the time tried to avoid WWII, but the Jewish controlled Democracies wouldn't stand for it.

>>73694222
M U L T I
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>>73694780
The UK actually tried to make a deal with Germany trying to stop the war, and Hitler just violated the deal and invaded Poland

ww2 is 100% the fault of Hitler (well, and Japan)

>>73694821
He requested many times for peace. Poland gave Germany no choice, they were committing atrocities against ethnic Germans within their boarders. Hitlers only plan to start a war was with Russia, and who can blame him, communism was a cancer and no one would have given a fuck.

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shut up

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t. numale

>>73694780
>gets criticized for something
>"the jews did it"
really activates your almonds

>>73694909
Anon, your hitler apologism is fucking sickening.

Hitler did not request peace. he signed a deal with Britain allowing Germany to annex regions which had a majority german population. as a part of the agreement, hitler was supposed to not engage in more war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

Hitler just violated the agreement and attacked Poland in an offensive war. there is no excuse for this

Reminder that all emigrees from /pol/ must have travel papers and visas ready for random searches at anytime, failure to procure or produce these documents under scrutiny will result in IMMEDIATE deportation back to your homeland.

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>>73695165
Danzig rightfully belonged to Germany. Formally German, and ethnically German, it only made sense. This is also on top of the fact that Poland was committing ethnic genocide on the Germans of Danzig, which Hitler could not ignore.

I feel like it's an adequate excuse.

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Today is the Day - Kiss the Pig

>This Machine Kills Fascists

>>73694909
imagine being this retarded

>>73694716
kek

>Anti Fascist
What is this? WWII?

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>>73695165
Jesus Christ, you fucking pathetic trip fag. Either just drop your fucking gay-ass trip, get off the internet, or fucking kill yourself pussy. I don't think 4chan is the place for you

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>>73696306
Found the Communist

>>73696327
Revolutionist larping is getting pretty big among low GPA college students

>>73694701
Anti-fascists destroyed Europe in the 21st century.

>>73695552
That was not the excuse, you fucking idiot.

Germany famously commited a false-flag operation as an excuse to invade poland. read about the Gleiwitz_incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

TLDR: The Nazi SS commited a false flag operation attacking a german radio station, making the appearance of a polish aggression against germany.

Open your fucking eyes, idiot

>>73696423
>Europe enjoyed decades of peace with no war

>"Le anti-fascism destroyed europe XD we should have fascism, not democracy"

>>73696504
Tell me, what is Fascism?

crazyaga more like crazyaga cause you have to be crazy to support commieshit

Wikipedia is not an accurate source for anything susceptible to bias.

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>>73696530
Oh man you totally caught me. i hate Adolf Hitler and i believe in democracy, so i must be a communist.

I don't see any flaws with your logic. you must be proud of yourself for making such a flawless and logical conclusion

>>73696544
You know what is an actual biased source?

Nazi propaganda.
You know, the ones you are getting your information from and convinced you that hitler did not start ww2, even though he clearly did when he violated the munich agreement and invaded multiple european countries offensively

>>73696454
>Actually believing this rewritten history
>oy vey poles dindu nuffin
haha pleb.

>>73696504
>Europe enjoyed decades of peace with no war
>Then leftists started freaking out about invisible nazis and fascists in the 21st century and decided that the only cure to this non problem was to destroy Europe with an Islamic invasion.
gg

>>73696547
democracy is a broken system that allows to the uneducated to vote to who gives him a basket of fruit
not that you'd know what is having less than 50% of your children well educated

Feels good to know I'm not the only Fascist on /mu/

>>73696567
>What historians say is bullshit XD you should just believe nazi propaganda. the nazis definitely tell the truth about history :)

Please anon, stop using your brain so much, it might hurt you

>>73694153
Look, I'm a leftist and I love political discussion, I love anti-fascist movements and groups, but holy shit it needs to stop on 4chan. Rampant politicizing has made the quality of ALL boards go to shit, this stuff needs to be contained entirely to /pol/.

I don't know shit about politics. Fight me faggets.

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>>73696592
>Accepting war refugees is the same as "an invasion"

>But Hitler's offensive invasion of poland and czechoslovakia is not an invasion

You are a very "Smart" person, aren't you? no flaws with your logic at all

>>73696619
You are a libertarian right

>>73696619
Have you considered reading any political works? Open minded? If you're interested I have a few suggestions

>>73696594
Having a dictator is a much more broken system than a democracy.

If you get a bad leader that abuses the population there is no way to replace him

>>73696619
Ah, a fellow antifa member! Hello Comrade, ready to bash the fash?

>>73696643
Nah, it seems every time someone talks to me about politics all they want to do is argue or express why they are angry at how the world works.
>>73696640
I don't know man. Is that what libertarian means? Politically I guess that what I want is to things to run smoothly?

how does that very interesting thread about buyers market get deleted but this shit is allowed

>>73695552
>ethnicity is a valid excuse for military invasion

fucking lol

Furthermore the study of history as of right now is not a hard science. With alternate reality generators it would be a very interesting field of study with the ability to conduct experiments and come to conclusions with empirical evidence and statistical results based on changing variables in the space-time continuum.

>>73696630
When did I say Hitler's invasion wasn't an invasion?
Oh, right I didn't, you're just dumb.
gg

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>>73696682
Here is a list of all the correct political positions, based on logic and secular humanist values:

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform

>>73696666
Great get.

I would disagree only on the fact that it's context-dependent. Democracy might be a good system (I tend to support it) but it doesn't prevent awful results from happening.

>>73696699
Oh you aren't the same anon. i actually wasn't sure but i decided to make that post aniway just in case you are.

Aniway, the first point still stands. accepting refugees from warzones is not an invasion. no definition of invasion includes "Accpeting war refugees"

>>73696686
This. The holocaust wasn't a big deal and the allies should have just minded their own business.

But as of right now the study of history you have not experienced is to be at the mercy of knowing nothing other than what others have told you. I'm not going to believe in something I haven't experienced. Nor am I going to listen to anyone's opinion on something they have not experienced from a position of accepting their opinion as anything but merely that, which holds value in and of itself outside of being a supposed universal truth of the documentation of human behavior.

>>73696722
WW2 didn't start because of the holocaust.

Hitler offensively invaded MULTIPLE European countries around Germany, violating the Munich agreement he made with britain

>>73696722
>the holocaust wasn't a big deal and the allies should have just minded their own business
Okay let's split this up into its two halves:

>The holocaust wasn't a big deal
Yes it was you fucking gay retarded /pol/cuck.

>The allies should have just minded their own business.
Hard to do when you're attacked or have war declared on you.

>>73696682
Libertarian basically means "don't piss me off, just let me do my business"
If you want everyone to treat each other nicely is left
If you want them to shut up violently when they are annoying you you are right

Most people that don't care about politics leans to the left because 'they just want peace'

It's ok though, only time and propaganda decides which side you take

>>73696567
>th-the jews wrote all these history books! wake up sheeple!

just stop

>>73696701
I'm already reading a book on how to animate. I have so much work to do. I don't know if I'll have time to read any of this. How is this useful in your everyday life? Aside from arguing on the internet I mean.

>>73696751
I phrased this very badly and one-sided

Lib left: LEMME DO ANYTHING PLZ PLZ PLZ
Lib right: SHUT UP YOU CUNT LET ME SLEEP AT NIGHT

I think that's better

>>73696751
I don't know anything about politics but there's no way it's that simple.

>It's ok though, only time and propaganda decides which side you take

Why does everybody into politics always try to push their agenda onto others? You're doing the same thing you're warning me about.

But in the sense of keeping the past alive for the sake of building the future, these being one in the same, I would focus on the historical ideals you resonate with positively. You see, fighting fire with fire only broadens and intensifies the flames. So while you may think that you are on some epic anti bad guy crusade, you are quite simply just feeding an aspect of history. Which in this case would suggest you are simply a coward who can't admit just how much you idolize this particular part of history and choose to give it attention similar to a little boy pulling the pigtails of the cutest girl in class.

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>>73696701
NO

>>73696682
Don't listen to this commie fuck. Contemporary politics are a rigged platform. Democracy will never get anything done. I suggest you read the Codex Fascismo series by H. R. Morgan to get a full understanding of Fascism, something you probably don't fully understand (as is the case for most people due to misrepresentation). I then suggest the Communist Manfesto simply so you can justly hate it. Doesn't seem right to push people to learn directly from the source for one thing and not the other. Good luck if you choose to do so anon...

>>73696770
Being invested in politics is important because the politicians you elect directly effect your life.

Just make sure to fact check everything because many people make bullshit claims, like the people in this thread who claim Hitler is not at fault for starting ww2

>mfw /mu/ has better discourse and discussion over politics than /pol/

>>73696797
Anon, are you really too stupid to realize there is a huge difference between Social Democracy and Communism, or are you just pretending to be stupid?

>>73696791
I'll try to be as flat as a currency

People bang drums about politics because they have a personal Utopia in their minds

Being the most balanced here, I have a belief of what the world can be, so I'll tell you about my belief, and hope you understand it

It basically works like this

So do I become a nazi or an effeminate pussy? Which one will make happier?

>>73696820
both are on the same level

>>73696845
>False dichotomy
I hope you are ironic

>>73696617
i don't know if you realize but being political has gone mainstream everywhere, it's awful

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>>73696845
Take the third position
>>73696855
Not that far of the truth when reading you

>>73696862
People caring about the future of the world is a great thing, not an awful thing

>>73696848
This discussion is literally ten times more civil and intelligent than anything on /pol/.

If we were on /pol/ then more than half of the posts would have "fag", "kike"/"Jew","OY VEY"/other Jewish references, or "nigger" (normal or sand-type).

>>73696855
Not really. It's really how I think people see their opposite team. I just remembered I'm Canadian. Why the fuck would I choose a side this isn't even my politics.

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>>73696832
It's cut from the same cloth. Fluffy cuddly talk/words to distract the politically passive from recognizing how flawed of a system it is. Just like its daddy Communism.

>>73696870
Not only that it's far from the truth, it has zero connection to reality

>>73696878
The fact that's how some radical people see the world doesn't mean It's not a false dichotomy

>>73696862
I've noticed, but the main issue I see is when we try to discuss something that doesn't necessarily have to have a political connotation/connection and them some /pol/ack comes in "UHHH THESE FOLKS IS FAGS" or some shit. It happens on /lit/ in practically every thread now.

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>>73696874
Bruh you literally live in Israel. You think anyone is gonna take your opinion on WWII seriously?

I think it's creepy that there is so much jews in the entertainment industry but I do also enjoy most of these artists. Which side do I take?

>>73696881
Scandinavia, Israel, Australia and Canada all have different degrees of a social democracy.

All of them are doing pretty well economically.

I think at this point it's safe to say Social Democracy is a system with proven positive results

>>73696908
Enjoy the art, fight the political jews. So long as you stay away from pure filth, you should be fine.

Anyway to answer >>73694153, Against Me! is probably vaguely antifascist these days. Don't know if they're outright leftist or just liberal.

>>73696915
>Canada
>doing well economically
Uh?

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>>73696923
>Hurr durr jews are so evil XD jews are filth XD

What's about all the jews that revolutionized modern physics, modern medicine and modern technology?

Why do people respond to namefags?
>>73696908
pirate the music

>>73696944
It's doing better than the US by almost any metric.

The economic crisis of 2008 was the fault of the US, not Canada, but you suffered from it too because the Canadian economy is entangled with the US

>>73696945
>posts the jew who helped make the atom bomb
they did it for other jews and to sell to the goys dummy

>>73696915
>Canada
>Australia

Have seen how they're doing socially? Non-stop immigration, liberalism, and regulations. They're breeding grounds for rape, terrorism, degeneration and so on. Their health care system is complete shit too

reminder that crazyaga is a literal jew

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>>73696894
Zero connection to reality also has labelling right wing citizens as dumb junkyards, but hey it's ok when you do it and that population hasn't ruined the country like yours did right guise

>>73696960
hey jew, post nose

>>73696967
This explains everything! If only the holocaust had actually happened we might not have had to deal with this retard.

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>>73696944
The official definition of "recession" as accepted by all fiscal organizations worldwide is at least two quarters of contraction in the GDP. Canada briefly dipped into a recession in 2015 though the government never officially declared it because we were in the middle of an election and Harper was worried it would effect his polling (retroactively we see that it didn't matter).

>>73696960
See above. The US is doing a far sight better than Canada at the current moment. (Canadian here. The weakness of our dollar actually manifested itself quite gruesomely when we saw prices on imported produce rise 30% higher in the winter than they had been the winter before. It was brutal on my wallet, and, me not being well off, really stretched me thin.)

I enjoy Klezmer but I find big noses to be aesthetically displeasing. Do I go right or left?

>>73696964
He is responsible for the discovery of the photoelectric effect, general relativity and special relativity.

The creation of the atom bomb was not done directly by him, but it was a chain reaction which resulted from his discoveries.

But you know what else was changed because of einstein's discoveries? the entire world. a huge portion of modern technology was made possible because of his discoveries

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>>73696992
Canadian GDP for reference.

>>73696968
I did not claim all right wingers are stupid anywhere in my post. i claimed nazis are stupid, and in particular the nazis in this thread

>>73697009
Radical Centrist Club

>captcha: zion truth
Come on crazycommie, post curl hair

>>73697032
Define nazi
Modern word that has been used as a pejorative to disallow certain views

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>>73697043
all are welcome

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>>73697020
>the entire world. a huge portion of modern technology was made possible because of his discoveries
>implying that's a good thing

Can I be bi-political?

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I agree, and while you're at it, what do you think Fascism is?

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>>73696992
Look at pic related. Canada is in the top 10 happiest countries in the world, the US isn't.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-39325206

Also read this article
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead-testing/

This research of the water sources of 3,000 US locales found out there is a severe issue of lead poisoning in US waters.

It's a well known fact that lead poisoning harms child development and causes a lower IQ. You might want to stay in Canada

>>73697087
be quiet jew

>>73697087
I think I'm done here. This will go nowhere.

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I prefer anarcho-Christianity myself. Or you know, Christianity. It's actually a redundant statement because the ideals of Christianity are to be without a governing body known as the state. Science has the potential to do great things, but would you say the advancement of technology fills your heart with love and compels you to share that love with others? You appear to be suffering from a lack thereof. I can't help you though. The answer lies within.

>>73697098
The US maybe has an higher GDP, but Canadians are still happier because the citizens of the US don't actually enjoy the high GDP of their country, only the rich do. heck, they don't even get proper clean water in huge portions of the US

>>73697087
>happiness
>measurable
>bbc.com
>no note of social stand
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>happiness
>measurable

>>73697142
The method of measurement was going to people and asking them to rank from 1 to 10 how happy they are.

People who lived in social democracies ranked in the top 10 spots

On a scale of 1 to 10 how happy are you?

>>73697147
lol

>>73697159
-1

>>73697147
>scale from 1 to 10
That's even worse than asking from 1 to 5, the relativism in there is huge
>>73697159
if R included π

>>73697087
You can't just posture from "Canada is doing economically better than the US" to "Canada is doing better in [difficult if not impossible to measure metric] than the US."

>>73697159
4

>>73697159
I'm depressed almost constantly so 2 at most.

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>>73697283
>implying being a fascist is the adult thing to do
If anything fascism is more cerebral and childlike than any other ideology.

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>>73697303
yeah these people are mature and totally not violent brainwashed babies

Baby pls go

>>73697303
explain

>>73697345
Yeah, they're not mature. If they had killed the alt-right LARPing dipshits, then I'd considered them mature.

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>>73697268
I'm sorry to hear that friends. Being a man these days can be rather difficult. But I'd like you all to know, as cliche as it may sound, the way to a better tomorrow is to strive for one. No matter what stands in your way and even if your ceiling appears to be very low. And I certainly do not mean for you to strive for others' sake in this task. Live for yourself and attract those that deserve your love and wish to love you for your true self. Which you may have to work on to find. For no love will befall a man that does not first love himself and to think that such an act to be of a selfish creature let me assure you that it is indeed, but true selfishness comes before selflessness as the difference between loving one's self and pleasuring one's self is the difference between a man who wishes to provide and one who only wishes to feed.

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>>73697373
>censor via shame and death
And not even for a good purpose
Birdbrains are better than yours

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>>73697373
>killed the alt-right LARPing dipshits, then I'd considered them mature.
>alt right are the ones larping and not the fat transfaggot she warriors who organize what masks they want to wear on reddit like they are superheroes or something

Baby, reddit is that way -->

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Fascism is the spiritual integration of the state and individual into the Nation itself. It's a completely organic organization that is neither left nor right winged.

It aims to create a society that acknowledges, promotes, and preserves its national culture, heritage, identity, race, soil and sovereignty above all else. It also aims to create an economy that promotes class collaboration, while being subservient to the national interest. Fascism is not against private property, but it will nationalize the most vital elements to a nations survival. Fascism does not tolerate anything that could harm it's people, and will often suppress degeneracy, while promoting eugenics.

Fascism doesn't not agree with democracy and instead believes in authoritarian leadership in which the leader, while being completely subservient to the nations interests, will be held 100% accountable for his actions. This essentially means Fascism is the government of meritocracy and action. Opposing political parties only divide a nation and stall progress.

Collectivism is key to being a strong and happy nation, and thus will be promoted, unlike democracy with its hyper individualism, materialism, and capitalism.

>>73696306
>assblasted commie

>>73697550
kys

>>73697400
still smarter than an alt-right baby, that tells you something

>>73697550
WW2 veteran here, we fought a war to keep this shit out of the free world, and here you faggots are telling everyone it's okay. If you have a problem with democracy, go to fucking north korea and see how much your strong leader cares about your 'interests', give me a fucking break

>>73697119
>say the advancement of technology fills your heart with love and compels you to share that love with others?
Err, you mean things like the bookpress which helped people to share their stories (and others empathise in turn) Or perhaps the Internet, where people can share knowledge, advice, support and information for almost free?

Technology might not fill anyones heart with love directly but it makes our lives easier, which in turn makes it easier to care for others. It's tricky to think about the poor kids in Africa while you're dying on some shitty disease. It makes helping others easier too, and makes some feel less lonely.

Though at least anarcho-Christianity makes more sense in spirit than the crap the bible belt pushes in Murica.

>>73697159
Mostly 8-9 with phases at minus 5 from time to time.

>>73694780
>pic related
my nigga

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i wonder who could possibly be behind these posts

>>73699006
Yes. That post you refer to acknowledges the importance of both technology and spirituality.
Yes. The corruption of religion has been with us for quite a long time. True Christianity is not what you will find from those without unconditional love in their hearts. For Christianity is to follow in the path of Jesus Christ, and the bible has much written that does not come from Jesus Christ.

>>73696595
Go back to to listening to the powers that b, newfriend.

>>73696617
Theres a normie vasion happening on /pol/, /r9k/, /ck/, /lgbt/ and on /b/ of course. The right is just now bitching about fascism and the left is no longer liberal in a classic sense. The west is a crock of shit now.

>>73696924
They are much more in tune with the classic punk style. That doesnt automatically make them overly political. Laura's last three albums have been super personal anyway.

>>73697081
You dont have to follow any party. Vote for the issues and people you care about.

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Wow, that was hard.

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>>73694153
I like this one.

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>>73698959
Still can't win elections
Does that mean the whole country is an idiot for not following your ideals?

>>73701081
>Does that mean the whole country is an idiot for not following your ideals?
Not the whole country, only 46%

>>73699026
THE LIZERD PEOPLE THEY TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH THE JEW PEOPLE AND MAKE US GRAINWASHED AND THE FROGS GAY THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM IS TO WEAR A TINFOIL FEDORA

WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE JEWS ARE TRYING TO BRAINWASH THE MEMBERS OF A SHITTY PORN IMAGEBOARD

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>>73695135
Muh joos dindu nuffin :'(((((((

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>>73698981
Oh really, how does it feel to be 90 years old on /mu/?

>>73701187
put your trip back on jew

>>73694716
>wahhh wahhhhh muh safe space free from people that are annoyed and bored of /pol/ posters

>>73697550
You just perfectly described the ideology of North Korea

>>73697550
>Opposing political parties only divide a nation and stall progress.
China and Cuba are the only successful examples of a single party states and the life for most people there is still worse than in democracies.

>>73697147
in all seriousness.
all complete seriousness, as in no more memes or witty comebacks.
all of that shit aside, completely serious right now.
if I had a gun with one bullet, and you were standing in front of me.
but next to you, was Hitler, alive again and ready to kill another 7 million or so Jews.
Honestly, I would shoot you. I really would. Why you're even on /mu/ is something I really would like to know. I want to know how you managed to stumble into this place, and who told you about this secret place of the internet.

Honestly, you're the sole reason /mu/ is full of fail nowadays. It would give me great pleasure to know that before I left, I could at least convince one idiot to leave this place for those with a positive IQ.

So please, in all seriousness, just leave this place and never return.

P.S.: You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, EDLINoid,
illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, alignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dyspeptic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, and Generally Not Good.

/mu/ - Music

ITT: Ledditors and /pol/

>>73696877
You have to be a retarded newfag.

>>73697020
You're retarded, you've admitted that the atom bomb was a chain of reactions stemming from different scientist but refuse to share the same perception from literally all his work.

>>73694780
how could you possibly believe this
hitler had been building an army as soon as he became chancellor. he knew war was coming, it was just a matter of when. if britain hadn't declared war in 1939 hitler would have just been building a bigger army in poland.

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>>73694780
>>73694909
>the allies started wwii
this is what neo nazis actually believe

>>73703816
>getting this triggered over nothing
Amazing work, jew-bro.

>>73694909
when your goal is world domination poland would always give germany no choice eventually

>>73702619
>implying they were bad guys
Also the nazis would have enough influence of German history to make it seem like only Jews were in that revolution

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ah yes, now I realize why I stopped posting much on 4chan beyond /mu/ now and then
the unapologetic fashy shit and antisemitism is cringe as hell.

>>73697389
What a fucking faggot

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ITT

>>73705281
imagine this much projection, pathetic.

>>73705304
t. arsehurt unironic nu-male

>>73705281
>being obsessed enough by other men to collect their pictures
I think it's called being a faggot, faggot.

Post more anti fascist albums.

Quit taking the bait.

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>>73705864
>thinks facists are a legitimate threat to American democracy

>>73705903
shit bait.
Post more anti fascist albums.

>>73705928
listen to stereolab, they're explicitly anticapitalist and antifascist to some degree.
Their entire discography is amazing, but mars audiac quintet is one of my faves.

>>73705986
post more anti fascist albums.

>>73706002
Albums weren't a big concept in the 30s and 40s.

>>73705864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemskA9u_2Q

Can a symphony count as an album?

Real capitalism has never been tried.

>>73706883
Real capitalism doesn't exist either. There are ideas inspired by it. Besides, many states did follow Smiths ideas, at least for a while

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>>73704153
War with communism, not with liberalism. Though he took the necessary precautions just in case. Besides it's a major aspect of fascism to have a strong military to ensure sovereignty, which was normal. He was breaking the treaty of Versailles (completely unjust) so he felt it necessary to be ready to defend his people.

>>73707020
By "defend his people", you mean sending them to die in an unwinable war while he was jerking off to Eva and Blondie?

>>73697159
3

>>73707020
hitler was anti-capitalist too, don't forget. germany became a country completely devoted to the 100 year plan of fascism - which ultimately meant destroying the "under races" and taking over the world. Stop pretending it was solely to destroy communism, it's bullshit

>>73707094
He was a bit too idealistic sure, but I still find it respectable. There's no guarantee that the jews would have let up anyways. They didn't accept his peace offers early on, so I don't see why they would have accepted them near the end.

>>73707139
>peace offers
what the fuck are you talking about? Before he was even chancellor he was doing everything he could to destroy their lives. Before any talk of deportation he was destroying their jobs and families.

>>73707133
You're correct when you say he was anti-capitalist, but capitalism was a purely economic system while communism is a economic + philosophical system. Hitler heavily criticized democracy and liberalism but he often expressed great respect towards Britain. He only cared about those things affecting Germany, while Communism was a threat even outside of Germany.

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>>73694153
Nice try Goldberg.

>>73707133
>Germany
>Fascist
No, they were Nazi.

>>73707166
Rightfully so. Had Hitler succeeded, and had the holocaust actually happened, then we would be living in much better place today.

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>>73694153
*cough*

>>73707221
Nazi is a derogatory term, the correct phrase is National Socialism, which was German Fascism.

Fascism has taken up the generic term used to describe similar ideologies in which Fascism (Italian) was the first of its kind, or at least the first with an actual name.

Integralism, Falangism, National Socialism, Rexism, Legionnarism, etc. They're all considered Fascism

>>73707248
>an album about isolation and abandonment is an opposition to a movement that hasn't existed since the 40s

>>73707320
Nazi is merely a contraction of National Socialism, which is a seperate though similar movement to Fascism.

>>73707353
I think having one major difference from Fascism, that being racial purity, does not make it different enough to be considered 'separate'. Though there is no official stance on this argument. It comes down to opinion it would seem.

>>73707240
read the man in the high castle

>>73707400
They put it highschool textbooks that they're distinct. Nazis didn't worship the state but rather the Aryan race and as such rejected ideas like social class and social mobility, in favor of racial and physical (handicapped) divide. Meanwhile Fascists prized social hierarchy as an extension of the people contributing to the state and had no programs or intentions of valuing people of other races over others and intead highly valued Nationalism. By those fundamental differences, they're quite different indeed, but the authoritarianism and militarism are the most common things people associate with those ideologies.

>>73707240
>Had the holocaust actually happened
What a fag.

>>73707627
>>73707627
Highschool textbooks are hardly a valid source of information or opinion.
>in favor of racial and physical (handicapped) divide
>Fascists prized social hierarchy as an extension of the people contributing to the state

This was achieved by meritocracy by both ideologies. Again the only difference is National Socialism was that it valued race. However Hitler himself said you can not judge an individual by race alone but also on character and competence. He saw competition as a good thing and that class was inevitable, which was in direct contrast to communism, an ideology he often spoke of to explain his own. However he promoted class collaboration, just as the Fascists did. The difference here is minimal.

Fascists didn't worship the state, but felt a deep metaphysical connection to its existence via extreme nationalism. National Socialists were also nationalist, but put more of an emphasis on race. Therefore I don't think it's incorrect to call National Socialism a form of Fascism.

>>73707612
Complete fantasy bullshit, not at all what would happen.

>>73707654
no u

>>73707808
>in favor of racial and physical (handicapped) divide
>meritocracy
Pick one.

>>73707835
it's simple, you exclude all non-germans, then have them compete, chose the best ones. On a national scale this will create classes.

>>73707873
Which doesn't make it a meritocracy. It's idiotic to artificially limit your options.

>>73707894
They had established a prerequisite to participate, based on an honest belief that the Aryan race was superior, however even if an individual of that race was inferior to a non-Aryan the National Socialist 'folkish' concept required the state to maintain racial purity. This was based on the belief that if the state could preserve the race, than the race itself over time would bring about greatness for the nation because of it's inherent superiority. Whether you agree with this or not is besides the point. It's still meritocracy on a smaller scale, a national one actually since the Nazi state wanted fewer non-Aryan to the point of revoking their citizenship.

>>73707982
In the end it's pretty much "free market with national protectionism", so pretty much the opposite and perversion of the idea.

>>73702725
Are you retarded you fucking newfag

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>>73694153

It's fucking excellent as well.

>>73708092
>free market

Maybe I'm confused but we were talking about race and class, not economics right? Competition among class and individuals is not the same as free market.

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You guys are all missing the greatest anti-Fascist music of all time.

>>73708219
kys

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>>73708238
No.

>>73708190
Why not? It's built on pretty much the same basic principles. In the end economics decide everything and systems are built to force them into a certain direction to achieve certain goals.

>>73707982
>muh race
>muh nation
>muh superitee®

>>73708219

Kalinka is a post-rock masterpiece.

>>73708449
Some of the songs on that thing make me feel pride for a nation I was never apart of and that no longer exists, it's impressive.

My Army is a personal favorite.

>>73708413
>equality of opportunity
Can still end up with people getting fucked. What is going to happen with them?

>move industry back to the first world
That's going full luddite and will make people waste time on menial shit. Only full automation + taxation could work.

>give people means to labour
Not viable for the future unless you'd want to continue the work for the sake of doing something system we got now.

Holy shiiiit /pol/ are fucking retarded.

>>73708539
>Can still end up with people getting fucked

How? If they have the same opportunity it's their fault.

>Only full automation + taxation could work.

Full automation is impossible under Capitalism because you need a labour force to buy back products that have been made. Socialism bypasses this allowing for genuine liberation from work.

>Not viable for the future unless you'd want to continue the work for the sake of doing something system we got now.

What does this even mean

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>>73708545
not as much as you

>>73708622
>everyone I don't like is an SJW

>>73708348
I disagree with you. Economics are very important, and tend to only mix with a complementary social philosophy, but it's not as dominant and decisive as you say. Fascist economics were a mixed economy. It nationalized certain elements that were considered essential to a nations survival, and could not be trusted with individuals. That being said it left the rest to private ownership. What makes their economic system unique was that it focused on creating Syndicates that would promote class collaboration - something unlike Capitalism and Communism. Capitalism being the bourgeois having power over the proletariat, and communism being the 'dictatorship of the proletariat'. This was done by ensuring that the leadership of a syndicate came from its profession, not some white collar, and these syndicates would often have meetings to establish wages, production, hours, etc in a manner that agreed to both ends of the syndicate, as well as profit. The final unique characteristic of this system was that the syndicates must obey the national interest, never to harm the people of the nation. If it did so, the state had the right to intervene. Also if a decision could not be made from the meetings then the state would come in and decided the final decision. Also yes, national protectionism was also vital.

That is a very basic explaination of Fascist economics but if you're interested in more you should look up 'National Syndicalism' and 'Corporatism'. From my explanation you can see that Fascists were far from free market concepts

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>>73708638
exactly you're nothing but trash

>>73708707
your entire ideology was literally a meme until stupid 14 yr olds like you took it seriously and ruined image boards for everyone with your constant shitposting about niggers and SJWs.

>>73708766
Nice retort friend. Next time try to mix it up a bit and blame it on the Jews

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>>73708740
whatever you say faggot

>>73708593
>If they have the same opportunity it's their fault.
Yes but so what? Some people are more able, others are less so. Besides, it's not like you could balance out the differences in the family lives or predispositions. Leaving them to die is pretty shitty.

>because you need a labour force to buy back products that have been made
Variants of basic income go around this. Besides, it's automation for shitty jobs either way, the stuff the working and the middle class does. Arts and high level administrative work plus the sciences aren't going anywhere. Just most people couldn't do that, and we're back to the ability problem. Equal opportunity doesn't guarantee a better society.

>What does this even mean
We can already free millions of people from work with automation, right now. Couple millions more in few years with automated cars and these technologies are on the simple side. Most people aren't creating any value and are wasting everyones time with their shitty low productivity, they are only used due an idiotic system that pays them wages they can't live for (aka. costing everybody money) or due political reasons to keep them busy.

>http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/28/pentagon-tells-congress-to-stop-buying-equipment-it-doesnt-need.html
As the most obvious example.

>>73708650
The essential part is why the system are coupled to certain economical models. Fascist or nationalist regimes would collapse under any other model and unregulated Capitalism would eventually cause the rise of something else, since even the proletariat will eventually get fucked too hard. In the end the economical model decides what type of society it is. It goes all back to power which ownership of the capital/means of production/friends in the party offers.

>syndicates must obey the national interest, never to harm the people of the nation
The people deciding whether something is harmful for the people, are generally not the same people who get any harm in authoritarian societies.

>>73704266
Britian make a pact with Poland (OTHER SIDE OF EUROPE) that if they were invaded Britian would be the knight in shining armour.

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>tfw /mu/ was one of my easy examples of "not all of 4chan is /pol/"
welp

>>73709568
I wanted to bring up /lgbt/, opened it and the first thing I saw was a /pol/ thread. Gay nazis and Christian fundamentalists who bang trannies. We truly live in amazing times.

>>73709369
The way I'm reading it is "X influences the creation of Y, therefore X is the deciding factor for Y." when it could be just as easily stated as "Y influences the creation of X, therefore Y is the deciding factor for X".

I'm not going to argue that social philosophy decides economics, instead it's just as I stated, they're interdependent on each other. That is just how politics are. One thing I'd like to point out is that Italian Fascism was Corporatist/National Syndicalist, while Germany was more of a Socialist Syndicalism, which is hard to explain. It's kind of like Communism vs National Bolshevism. They both were considered of the same type of government but with varying economic models. It appears to me that economics are more secondary, especially with Fascism and Communism. Which is the beauty of Fascism, that being just how organic and custom fitted to a nations circumstance it truly can be, it's unlike other political forms.

>The people deciding whether something is harmful for the people, are generally not the same people who get any harm in authoritarian societies.
Well, what is decided as harmful should be decided by the founding political party members upon birth, then carried out by a judicial organization, but I can't personally find any examples of that, probably because of fascism dying in its youth.

>>73709568
to be fair, unlike /pol/ must people here think the neo nazis are fuck wits

>>73709369
>>73710364
Also, have you read Mein Kampf? Hitler hardly spoke of economics, he considered them to be unimportant and that if left alone, would figure itself out. Yet their economic system manifested into something similar to other fascist nations, which could be called fascistic, without any internal dictation or preconceptions.

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>>73704681
Yes communism should have spread into Germany and ruined the rest of Europe too

>>73696701
>no proletariat seizing the means of production and violently suppressing the reactionary bourgeois

0/10

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UX0Zdwudp8

>>73710792
>this list

Lol

Almost all of these, aside from NS controlled areas, relate to the religious Judaism, not a racial based attitude. Most of the time Jews could just convert and be left unmolested.

They were an easy target, though, no one denies that.

>>73694909
>unironically being this uneducated and basing your historical knowledge off of memes from /pol/

>>73694153
Literally the entire Crust Punk genre.

shame on all of you, youre all terrible

Nice music related discussion you got going on here, guys

>>73711714
>unironically believing the Jew written history fed to you

>>73694153
>OP: pretentious neo-marxist faggotry
>rest of thread: fuck off faggot

FTFY