Who is the Frank Zappa of today?

Grimes

>>73668301
Fuck off

>>73668310
literally the worst choice

>>73668293
There isn't one. Zappa combined and balanced too many styles and had too many particular skills to be even remotely repeatable. Not to mention how prolific he was.

I'm thinking maybe Kevin Barnes' recent stuff but that's kind of a stretch

Ariel Pink

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>>73668293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53WkI7NfKow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of0ak0a1GG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBoJmNRslfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEBgDGuQlCE
Obviously not as prolific, but definitely worth listeinng to.

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This is a very easy answer.

Wat is the best Zappa album and why is it One Size Fits All?

A prolific skilled guitarist determined to bring some humour into rock music as well as different genres together? Tough one. The guy from Primus comes to mind, but he plays the bass and his music isn't that groundbreaking or important. Buckethead took the prolific part too far. Welp. Zappa was indeed one of a kind.

>>73668402
>>73668415
This and Devin Townsend

Does it have to be a rock musician? Madlib is probably the closest in terms of ambition, scope, and the way he synthesizes so many techniques and styles into one aesthetic.

>>73668415
How?

>>73668415
No.

>>73668484
>so many techniques
>styles

Such as?

>>73668479
>Devin Townsend

lol try again

>>73668493
>>73668504
Pop musician with quirky sensibilities.

If you think either Ariel or Frank are anything more than this, don't.

>>73668456
>Welp. Zappa was indeed one of a kind.

This. It's cliche to say but I can hardly think of anyone else associated with the Rock/Pop music world that it applies to more. Who else released full albums of Doo Wop, Blues Rock, Classical compositions, Jazz Fusion and multiple albums that blend all of those styles, sometimes into single songs with both incredibly complex compositions as well as room for solos and improvisation, and also "comedy lyrics" and social commentary?

>>73668436
I think you mean Läther, but ok.

>>73668505
Maybe not so much techniques since he's mostly a sample-and-scratch-based producer with some occasional bars, but he has worked in several different genres. See: Rock Konduckta, Yesterday's New Quintet, and the entirety of the Medicine Show series.

>>73668598
b8

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>>73668456
>A prolific skilled guitarist determined to bring some humour into rock music as well as different genres together?


sounds like his protege Mr. Vai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AONyIMzdHnc

>>73668598
Zappa's stuff is not pop.

>>73668638
Close. Too bad most of the material was already released on Studio Tan, Zappa in New York, Sleep Dirt aned Orchestral Favorites. The eventual release of Lather feels like a mess. Especially considering the edited versions of songs like The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution.

>>73668677
>thinking zappa was good because of his guitar playing

LOL

>>73668681
>Zappa's stuff is not pop.


ok fine fer sher fer sher...just dont eat the yellow snow.

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I thought it was obvious.

>>73668688
You do know that the CD of Lather is almost identical (save a remaster and the addition of bonus tracks at the end) to the original 4xLP that Zappa originally intended, got test-pressed, put on FM radio in Europe, and got bootlegged back in the seventies, right? Those four albums you named are just him breaking up Lather into separate concepts because his label didn't want to let him fulfill his contract with a single album that probably wouldn't sell due to its likely high retail cost.

>>73668731
Not everyone likes generic "shredding" and boring runs of scales anon. Zappa had a pretty unique style of guitar playing that never gets old and certainly not predictable

>>73668750

quit shilling that pretentious queef

>>73668750
that's from the 90's and 2000's

>>73668750
He's a good vocalist. That hardly puts him in Zappa's league. Mr. Bungle were fairly Zappa-esque but were lazy as fuck and short lived.

>>73668750
He's was much more popular in the 90s than he is now, but yeah
He's the closest we've got

>>73668793
Name another artist who better fits the bill.

>>73668750
this

Kendrick Lamar. He has great music, really toils to incorporate diverse influences, and has some mainstream appeal. Unfortunately, he also inserts himself into political discourses by having "nuanced and complicated opinions" that really boil down to seeing the evil and good in both sides. This comes off as trite to people seriously engaging with these issues and not living on dividends of an artistic career. Their music also is collectively somewhat sterile for being so honed to perfection and is less memorable than their contemporaries', even if it's technically better composed. Kendrick's Beefheart (in terms of era and sound, not friendship and collaboration) is Young Thug. I like Zappa and Kendrick a lot, but I love Beefheart and Thugger.

>>73668821
>Name another artist who better fits the bill.

Trey Spruance

>>73668821

everyone else mentioned in thread...

>>73668750

oh fuck no- that guy couldnt carry Zappas jock strap

>>73668827
I'll do it, damn it. Here's your first and hopefully a final (You).

>>73668436
>>73668688
>>73668773
It's obviously the original version of Uncle Meat guys

>>73668750

This is the most absurd suggestion yet.

Weird answers, but what about Jim O'Rourke or Travis Miller?

>>73668436
>listening to anything but Civilazation Phaze III

Fucking plebs

>>73668887
I'm not trying to troll. I think that the urge to name a rock artist is misguided nostalgia. Kendrick isn't a perfect 1:1 comparison cause he doesn't really engage with classical music or have the range of Zappa, but you have to find someone in the dominant genre to parallel Zappa's role once upon a time. No rock artist is towing the line of diverse influences and mainstream genre conventions because we've had 60 years of rock expanding and shattering its boundaries and being institutionalized slowly as the next jazz. Hip hop is still in the "postmodernists like us but serious academic musicians don't" phase. Meanwhile, rock music has been given over to nerdy college professors and dads talking about how great U2 is since they're too dumb to appreciate Bruckner.

In terms of output? Drake

Most definitely Ariel Pink.

Both are insufferable smartasses, but quietly very good composers.

>>73669134
>Both are insufferable smartasses
What are you even on about? Have you watched a single interview with Zappa? If you did, you'd know that's the exact opposite of how he felt and behaved.

>>73669134
Zappa was just confident in his opinions and got asked a lot of stupid and repetitive questions by the press so he came off as cocky. He also hated interviews so he probably put on a front during most interviews.

Also, the guy was pretty intelligent and had accomplished so much artistically that he earned somewhat of a right to be cocky anyway.

Thundercat

>>73669721
Don't know all that much about Zappa first-hand myself, but if what you say is true, then the answer is most likely >>73668301

People tend to mistake confidence for pretentiousness quite often desu.

>>73670109
And your answer after all being said is Grimes. Just stop.

>>73670109
So you think Grimes would be the "Frank Zappa of today" because she has similar personality traits and acts cocky in interviews? I'm pretty sure the question was more about music.

Devin Townsend

>>73668301
But Zappa was talented

Honestly? Danny Elfman. The only difference is that Danny embraced the commercialism whereas Zappa openly mocked it

>>73671309

Grimes is talented, but Zappa was making electronic jazz albums, classical compositions, and two-hour long rock concept albums. The two aren't comparable.

>>73668293
Toby Driver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAbnkkUz0Q

>>73670721
>So you think Grimes would be the "Frank Zappa of today" because she has similar personality traits and acts cocky in interviews?
Yes.

> I'm pretty sure the question was more about music.
There IS NO Frank Zappa of today, musically speaking, because no one sounds anything remotely like him (including Grimes.)

>>73672393
see
>>73672607

>>73668293
Ween, if they did anything in the last decade

>>73672607
nice job trying to save save face. but you answered "grimes" so you're still a moron

>>73672607
It's not about sounding like him though. It's more a question of if any artist is as diverse, prolific and talented as he was. I can't think of any musicians who can compose and also combine popular music with jazz, classical and meld other different genres of popular music together like Zappa did. Nothing even remotely similar.

I'm sure one could look for and find some copy cat artists but that doesn't really fit the criteria. Either does Grimes btw.

>>73672746
>Nothing even remotely similar.
Why are you repeating back to me almost exactly the same thing I just said?

>>73672663
>nice job trying to save
Anon, I don't care what you think of me because that has nothing to do with this thread's topic.

>>73673709
>has nothing to do with this thread's topic

Kinda like your thing about Grimes being the Frank Zappa of interviews.

>>73673709
>Why are you repeating back to me almost exactly the same thing I just said?

I'm not, although you are correct that there is nobody out there comparable to Frank Zappa it is not because nobody SOUNDS like him. Which was the reason you stated in case you forgot.

>>73668841
Trey Spruance is an outstanding amazing composer but a horrid guitar player, even Bungle fans have to admit it.

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>>73673785

It's not about sounding like Frank Zappa, it's about being innovative and elevating a popular genre to the standards of art music.

I think Busdriver would be a pretty good example of someone comparable to Zappa for hip-hop.

>>73673822
I fucking hate you

>>73673822
>It's not about sounding like Frank Zappa, it's about being innovative and elevating a popular genre to the standards of art music.

Actually. It's more a question of if any artist is as diverse, prolific and talented as he was. I can't think of any musicians who can compose and also combine popular music with jazz, classical and meld other different genres of popular music together like Zappa did. Nothing even remotely similar.

>>73673873
John Zorn perhaps?

>>73673884
Has done everything from exotica, avant-garde and free jazz to modern classical music.

>>73673884
As far as guitar players are concerned, it would definitely have to be Fred Frith. The amount of albums he's played on and musicians he's collaborated with is almost unparalleled. Also a frequent collaborator of John Zorn's.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Frith_discography

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>>73668544
okay

Devin Townsend

>>73673966
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/unrest/a_discography_of_fred_frith/
This is ridiculous. Very well known albums he's played on:
>Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
>Brian Eno - Before and after Science
>Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning
>The Residents - Commercial album
>The Residents - Eskimo
>John Zorn - Naked City

>>73668436
because of sofa

James Ferraro

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Obviously Thugger

>>73673808
how so?

>>73668301
>>73668310
This is an insult

>>73668310
What the fuck

>>73668293
>>73668310
>>73668406
>>73668415
>>73668677
>>73668750
>>73673822
>>73674057
>>73674144
>>73674451

Ariel Pink sounds nothing like Zappa to me

AP > FZ

>>73674650
>>73674451

>>73674595
>>73674668
stop trying to organize 4chan redditfag

>>73668301
kys

>>73674741
>uhh you use reddit!
nice try bud, try out this thread
>>73674451

>>73674758
not an argument nigger

>>73674784
aww adorable. summerfag watches epic anti sjw youtubers! you might want to go to this thread to be among your own
>>73674451

>>73674798
you''re honestly cancer

>>73673840

What prompted that?

>>73674829
>you"re
hahah ok buddy

>>73674668
ahh summer

>>73674948
>:(

>>73674595
Yes I'm sure all the Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar fans also love Mr. Bungle and Devin Townsend.

>i don't like something
>i'll call it normie music
>hehe i'm so clever

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>>73668293
>ctrl f Mark Kozelek
>no replies

come the fuck on guys

music is too diverse nowadays to have someone like Zappa "change thangs up" to something we haven't heard before

there will never be another Zappa. Just Zappa inspired Zappas

>>73674986
fuck yeah bro Mr Bungly is so weird and avant garde on an entirely different WAVELENGTH than kendrick lamar bro I aint no normie I know my shit

>>73668902
but really can I bring up these two again

>>73675084
>all music that isn't avant garde is normie music

Obviously Bungle are a babbies first "weird music" band but that still doesn't make them normie-tier you try hard contrarian cunt .

>>73675084
>Mr Bungly is so weird and avant garde on an entirely different WAVELENGTH than kendrick lamar

not memeing but they actually are. have you fucking listened to disco volante? have a kendrick fan sit down and listen to that album all the way through and they'll think it's pretty fucking weird... along with you for showing it to them.

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>this entire thread

>>73676820
>elmo's face reacting to autismo
HAHAHA

>>73668293
As far as how his band is structured, Steven Wilson. He writes music and hires better musicians than him to play it (even though Frank was a god tier guitar player and SW isn't). He's even said he loved how Zappa ran his band and tries to emulate it

>>73674141
unironically this and also lopatin

>>73668750
He's actually a talentless hack. Mr. Bungle was Trey Spruance and Trevor Dunn. FNM wasn't his either.

>>73673751
>Kinda like your thing about Grimes being the Frank Zappa of interviews.
The opposite, actually.

i fucking hate all of you

>>73677210
Patton had sole writing credit on Backstrokin', Sweet Charity, and Ars Moriendi, in addition to FNM's Malpractice, Get Out, Naked in Front of the Computer, Got That Feeling, and Home Sick Home
Not to mention tons of co-writing credits

Also, anyone else see Avenged Sevenfold just released a cover of Retrovertigo?

>>73677278
>Retrovertigo

That's Trevor song.

>>73670752
closest answer

>>73677297
Oh, I know, I just thought I'd bring it up in relation to the Bungle discussion

>>73675052
>the same person that wrote "Benji" is likened to Frank Zappa
fuck right off

>>73668375
You would have no idea if there was one though, because they wouldn't be famous. There are insanely proficient multinstrumentalists using their virtuoso in the service of their eccentric sense of theater, such as Marnie Stern or herc.

>>73668819
Are you saying they were lazy because they only released three albums? Mr Bungle was like the epicenter of the works of all of the musicians involved. When the musicians weren't busy working on other projects, Mr Bungle emerged yet again. You can't call those fuckers lazy.

No artist today is as talented or as smart as Frank Zappa

Dweezil Zappa

>>73673822
i love busdriver, and theres an argument to be made there, but hes just not stylistically variated/musically fluent enough to be put on the same level as Zappa. I really agree with the guy earlier that said that the only hip hop artists that could be comparable would be an eclectic producer figure like madlib, but even thats a bit of a stretch.

>>73668598
>Pop musician with quirky sensibilities.
is that all zappa is for you?

>>73668749
>one song out of his entire catalog makes him pop