/classical/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwnfauR87E4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v4b2zQizZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPl4jbfPSc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuJ-LKEH6W0

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Schnittke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaaRk0c-780

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfAA5UiR-8

does anyone know this gem?
great orchestration!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDYLABinWxc

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>mfw someone uploads more Rautavaara symphonies to Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzRiY-lDUbA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illRA6DMZv4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JCXdd4JW3U

If the Nazis hadn't killed him would he have gone on to become one of the greats?

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>>73608301
I like Les Savauges and you can't call me a pleb because it was a hit among literal patricians in those days.

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>>73608301

Reminder to listen to Bartok

Anybody read this book? It's pretty interesting, Bartok makes use of the golden section a lot in his intervals and the structure of the piece, and his tonal theory is cool. I don't pretend to understand it all, it's pretty high level compositional stuff and I'm not a composer, but it's a nice insight into the complexity of his methods

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why arent you studying all seven volumes of the treatise on rythm, color and ornithology right now?

>>73611878

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb37dJFPoFg

Forgot the fuggen piece I wanted to post

does someone know where to get partituras of composers that still live, for example Morricone?

>tfw lost my Lully folder
>tfw no Lully

>>73612085
Most modern composers seem to have websites. They might have resources there or, at the very least, further threads to follow.

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How do I play this?

/r/ing debussy chart

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>>73612301
It's not great but here.

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>>73612285
I assume its like 6 but with the turn at the end

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>>73611878
Reminder that Bartok a shit and you should listen to Janacek instead

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHJMS3EdQk

>>73611884
good idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6SVrHxGLsA

>>73612497

Janacek's super good too but they're not mutually exclusive you fucking mongoloid alien

What do I study if I want to be a composer

I know really basic music theory, can (slowly and laboriously) read notation for bass and treble clef, and I've been going through some Berklee book for voice leading chords and some other harmonic stuff...legit don't know where to go from here

>>73612929

Just noticed the mega file in the OP for composition books, I'm retarded. Have a bump and some Bach instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8i5D2uz84

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Can someone tell me what I am allowed to do in terms of harmonizing a tone row? I'm sort of just getting into composing as a hobby and I thought an interesting exercise would be to write something in 12-tone while having it sound more or less consonant. But now I don't know what to do next because the melodic line is using all the notes.

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*awkwardly glissandos into desired key*

What are anon's favourite quintets?

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>>73608301
>>73608515
>>73608635
On a scale of 9.999... to 10 how underrated is Rameau?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvU_rjt__2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK3-URQntcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFPw24UZZMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6fPKLWkEBc

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>>73614191
It doesn't look like he knew how to play the violin though.

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>>73608301

The translation is "hommage to Rameau", not "rendezvous with" YOU IDIOT

>>73614225
>Hey I hope you guys don't mind me revolutionizing French opera. Anyways here's Wonderwall.

Could someone upload the Griller/Primrose recording of Mozart's string quintets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X21R6tpeaJs

>>73614247
What are you talking about?

The secret Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyPrOVYRVk

Is there atonal/dissonant/avant garde stuff that doesn't sound "depressing"? Or is it the entire POINT that I'm supposed to disassociate "dissonance" and "depressing," in my mind, so that I can hear it as something new?

I feel like that's the point, right? Like, the fact that I go "oh, this sounds depressing" is a product of my brain being trained to associate "happiness" with "traditional tonal resolution."

Or am I half-right, half-wrong, here? I really like the idea of "sound poems," I want to follow a Stravinsky score like the bustling streets of Moscow, or imagine bucolic processions when I listen to Mahler, I want atonal music to open new vistas and forms of imagery in my mind, but I so often hear it as just BLEAK DEPRESSING SAD BLEHHHHH

tldr: Does anyone have any good examples of atonal/similar music that is something other than "bleak" sounding? Doesn't have to be HAPPY, either. Or do I just need to further retrain my pleb ears?

Debussy can be very nice.

>>73616088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jijWTXVWHA0

>>73616088
Try Alban Berg's Chamber Concerto or Schoenberg's Verklarte Nacht

>>73614247
he's referencing a famous sci fi book called "rendezvous with rama"

>>73616252
>Verklarte Nacht
>atonal
u wot

>>73616252
>>73616227
See, it must just be me, because Berg's concerto is making me picture a gangly rapist with one leg awkwardly longer than the other, stalking a woman in the park. And the Krenek is making me picture shit falling onto the floor and breaking.

>>73616273
I figured he needed to ease himself into atonality from romanticism.

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Facco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg0Q0wbo-Uc
One thing Facco didn't get right is how sometimes the soloist becomes more continuo than the continuo. It's kind of anticlimactic.

>>73616088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h84iZjKeq9w

>>73616088
Listen to Wozzeck

>>73616316
ugly

>>73616855
Yeah. Not top tier by any means, but Facco is pretty important in the history of Spanish music that isn't just a bunch of folk tunes on guitar.

>>73616922
I mean you
you're ugly

>>73616088
Messiaen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOPayx1YHpY

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>>73617017
Who hurt you anon?

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>>73616252
>>73616273
>Verklarte Nacht
>not stormy as fuck

u wot

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>me
>actually listening to mahler now and loving it
time to kill myself

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Hngggg

>>73617241
Just put one of his symphonies on loop and you won't ever wake up.

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>>73617241
I knew you'd come around.

Which symphony/performance, btw?

>>73616088
Well I'm trying to do that but no one will help me

>>73613306

Nonetheless here's a proof of concept

https://clyp.it/ttr1yrd4

>>73617294
havent really made a list but mostly rosbaud, mitropoulos, scherchen, kondrashin, early klemperer. and some individual stuff by mengelberg, bour, maderna (and that keilberth das lied). any conductor to my ears that doesnt waste time.

theres still a lot i dislike about some of the works but mostly positive feelings now

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>>73617241
>Listen to Mahler's 5th
>this is the most physically offensive music I have ever heard
>Listen to Mahler's 1st
>wtf I'm enjoying this
>okay just the 1st that's it
>Listen to Mahler's 4th
>Damn this aint bad either
>WTF NOW I LIKE MAHLER'S 7th


I now support the idea of an autonomous Jewish state!

>>73617424
I haven't really explored too much of the Bour stuff just yet, but I generally like him as a conductor.
It's a bit of a shame that the far superior performance of Maderna's 5th (the Philadelphia one) is in such scrappy sound.

>>73617255
>k l e m p e r e r

>>73616088
It's a bit of both. Yes you have been trained to hear dissonance as ugly or depressing. At the same time, tonality does sound so grandly beautiful because of the human structure and how it perceives the overtone series etc. Some of Bernstein's lectures (especially the first iirc) touch on this in great depth. So you have to approach atonal music with that in mind. It is purposefully diverting what is innately beautiful but that by no means makes it all ugly.

I agree that Debussy is beautiful and unconventionally tonal, Bartok I would say is in the same realm of unconventionality, but still accessible. His string quartets are haunting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8petL3nJYB4

To break further from tonality, Schnittke wrote a choir concerto. Much of his music is incredibly atonal and is indeed bleak as you would describe it. However this choir concerto is one of the most gorgeous pieces I've ever heard. The fourth movement is the most tonal, with some acceptably dissonant moments, and the rest are a little more out there. Perhaps you'll find that it (mainly in the preceding 3 movements) goes between moments of pretty tonality and depressing, grating atonality, but maybe hearing the two all in one can help bridge the gap for you and prove them to not be exclusive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykuF8h7sFwI

And now Schoenberg. I will not convince you that 12-tone is innately happy or rewarding like tonal music. However there is a different beauty to it that can be found with a different approach. This septet is playful and light. It is nicknamed the "dance suite" so listen not to the "bleak" dissonances but instead to the way it moves. There's a flow to it that hopefully you will find fits the criteria "not necessarily happy but not depressing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxlw40Cqd30

Enjoy and let me know your thoughts

>>73618157
>Yes you have been trained to hear dissonance as ugly or depressing
Thanks, horror movies

What are some essential /classical/ films?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFtnE-49J0

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Recommend me sum Chinese Opera

>>73620208
Turandot
:^)

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>>73620222
Reee and such and trips too I guess

>>73617374
I don't understand. You seem to already have harmony here, so what are you looking for help with?

>>73616088
>>73618157
Personally I think the strongest example is from Shostakovich 14. Its about the only tone row I can remember whistling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JVmrNwdh0

>>73612929
you'll want to learn to read fast in both treble and bass clefs. alto clef is a meme

find pozzoli books and berkowitz solfege books and study them for sight reading

for composition, learn your circle of fifths, study the major and (the 3) minor scales (natural minor, harmonic minor and melodic minor) and the chords that form on each scale degree (I, ii, iii, IV, V, vi, vii dim for major and i, ii dim, III, iv, v, VI, VII for natural minor, so forth)

read about the tonal relationship of first chord with fifth and basically about tension and release

study bach chorales and SATB harmony, every classical work up to the modern period is basically based on 4 voice harmony and voice leading

after that i guess you could study the modes and other stuffs like forms

you'll need a lot of books, there should be some courses online that should guide you into these topics

good luck anon

>>73617374
12 tone stuff will never sound consonant if you don't establish a cycle of tension-release

>>73620457
What does that entail?

>>73620534
Jerk off while composing

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>>73620208
>>73620231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osm8ral_9aA
Dumb frogposter.

>>73620246
Well there I just found four note chords that sounded consonant together and arpeggiated them into melodic cells that I strung together. That would seem fairly orthodox. I'm just wondering what the full extent of what is allowed to be done with the other voices.

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>>73620693
Noooooo stahp id!

>>73617875
its not so bad, and i quite like rosbaud and mitropoulos too in the 5th anyway.

>>73612929
If you're serious, go to university or college. Study music, major in composition.
You will study harmony, counterpoint, form, music history, orchestration and a few others, as well as contemporary techniques.

>>73620807
Not that guy but what if its just a hobby?

>>73620098
oh... you posted the one i immediately thought of...
i've always had a secret fantasy to make a movie about wagner and king ludwig of bavaria ii

today i missed a great piano gig with a korean pianist. she was going to play some bach, debussy and schubert. i arrived on time and tickets were already sold out. any classical pieces for this feel?

>>73620947
That depends, did you want to give her the D?

>>73612085
midi files transformed into scores with score software. not all of them are 100% good, but most are pretty ok.

>>73620098
5 days in September, 24 preludes for a fugue, Amadeus, Immortal Beloved, The unreal world of Alfred Schnittke, Mahler

>>73620879
...ever heard of Syberberg?

>>73621008
>5 days in September

Do you mean this? What's the tie in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Days_in_September

>>73620098
Tous le Matins du Monde. The ending always destroys me.

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>you will never hear Chopin improvise on his favorite Pleyel piano
>you will never witness the piano battle between Liszt and Thalberg
>you will never hear the music of a young Mendelssohn and be astounded at his virtuosity

>>73621116
>you will never witness the piano battle between Liszt and Thalberg
i was there, thalberg totally destroyed that dude

>tfw no classical trained gf

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>tfw the allegro of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o3_2gNY3O8

>>73621164
Thalberg said something like if he had one tenth the talent of Liszt he would be a very skilled pianist

>>73621180
he was a modest dude

>>73616088
>>73618157
>>73618185
>Yes you have been trained to hear dissonance as ugly or depressing
but thats wrong and an ugly, jewish lie.

dissonance is biologically, structurally, evolutively displeasing. thats a fact, and no amount "look at these new brave 52 genders" will change that.

you need to acknowledge things for what they are, and that is, that atonal/contemporary music is extremely niche, its cultural nonsense championed by elitist faggots that need to feel special about them eating glass shards and grinning back in pretended enjoyment. its all posture, and no one should feel out of it or unspecial or dumb because these posturers invented a way to alienate people even more.

composers writing unplayable stupidity explained by the sole fact that they never ever held a violin in their hands is proof on itself about the quality of these "composers".

>>73616227
>>73616442
>>73620398
Atonal "music" is so damn awful. I can't believe this was mainstream a few decades ago. No wonder why contemporary classical music died.

Other than Liszt himself, who plays Liszt best?

>>73621213
>marijuana variations is awful
kys

>>73620981
im currently in a yellow fever phase, but no, she was fuck ugly.

>>73621206
>and no amount "look at these new brave 52 genders" will change that.
thanks /pol/fags for making things about politics

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>>73621213
You disgust me

>>73621206
Speaking of atonal music, what do you think of Scriabin's later works?

>>73621206
come back when you're not letting your ideology cloud your judgement

literally the other extreme of sjws i swear

>>73618157
fuck off poly

Been listening to a lot of Bartok lately, particularly the string quartets. Can anyone recommend some similar stuff from other composers? Doesn't have to be only string quartets.

>>73621220
Claudio Arrau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD4C1voDDfU

>>73620098
Kinski Paganini is a thing

>>73611884
Because I can't get a copy, and I probably wouldn't understand it :(

>>73620098
Haven't seen it but Farinelli. Has anyone here seen it and have an opinion on it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSiuMuBLhM

>>73621330
>tfw not Porpora
>tfw you will never have unlimited access to Farinelli's pink puckering boipucci
>tfw you will never rail his boyhole and make him scream and moan and use "voice training" as an excuse

>>73621206
>but that's wrong
No it's not. Ignoring the rest of your post, I already conceded that yes biologically it isn't intrinsically rewarding. But dissonance and atonality themselves have only come to be depressing or representing of something negative; inherently they are not, and there is plenty of atonal music that does not serve to displease

>>73621361
>>>/b/trap

>>73621213
>I can't believe this was mainstream a few decades ago

the mainstream composers of the 20th century are the neoclassical, nationalist, and minimalist composers

serialism was never popular and was never "mainstream" outside of certain academic circles. go blame the "death" of "contemporary classical" on something else

>>73621385
By inherently they are not do you mean that beyond anyone perceiving the sounds they are not pleasant or unpleasant? If no animal, including man, hears it, then can it be pleasant or unpleasant?
Also, to me dissonant music is biologically, intrinsically rewarding. Not even being contrarian here. Though I guess I am a NAXALT case.

Is Tchaikovsky the capeshit of classical?

>>73621430
sorta in a sense, ya

of the well-known established composers, who is the most pop music of them all?

>>73621459
stockhausen

Who is a better singer:
Farinelli
R. Kelly
Andreas Jaroussky
Pharrell

>>73621473
Florence Foster Jenkins

>>73621262
I am bumping my own question, shamelessly I might add.

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>>73621483
more like Florence Foster Wallace lol

>>73621425
I'm not entirely sure if I understand your questions, but basically I meant that we associate dissonant and atonal music with bleak or darkness because that's how it's always presented, say in film or something. But I believe that, while some music certainly does aim to do that, dissonant and atonal music does not inherently possess a negative or "depressing" quality as the first post a while back put it. And I quite enjoy dissonant music too, but I'd still argue that we do so in spite of biology, although I'm too unqualified to really defend that

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>>73621459
Philip Glass. He's basically sonic garbage

>>73621220
Leslie Howard has a complete catalogue of Liszt's music, and he is pretty good.

>>73621512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtXdn-fVEUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Ai9TfcGfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfkDtg44soQ&t=219s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0osFixZB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_U5S_3t0E

>>73621567
thank you anon. never listened to janacek or enescu, looking forward to these.

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVSS7UF3mbc

>In the autumn of 1924, Bartók came in Bucharest, invited and greeted by Enescu himself to play a piano recital and to present his Violin Sonata Sz.76 performed by himself and Enescu.

>tfw no recording

I cri

>>73621459
>>73621556
I agree Phillip Glass has always been bussiness oriented, but there's also a reason why he's been so influential. Most of his works are essentially mediocre but still worth a listen. He does get excellent musicians playing his music.

I've been listening to his 6th symphony lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syz1KiWRZ-8&list=PLTUlTwlsdlFRGBHp2mQwunPVDYBelrZrm

>>73617255
>>73617973
Klemperer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYqahW3-cA

>>73620208
Red Detachment of Women is Chinese but it sucks.

>>73621711
Is that Weev on the cover?

>>73621430
No, that is Steve Reich.

>>73621556
Yes but his historical operas are pretty good.

>>73621781
different jew

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>>73621711
>mfw

>>73621559
Thanks anon!

>>73621468
How?

>>73621070
Nope, this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469762/

>>73620842
Stay amateur then I guess?

>>73621261
I would never recommend Bernstein lectures...
Simon Rattle's "Leaving Home" is the best documentary to watch to get into 20th century music. It covers most of the greats, although the contemporary episode is lacking and pretty much just Simon plugging his buddies.

>>73621690
Recordings of Bach, Buxtehude and Froberger improvising fugues would also be great

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Any recommendations/charts for Buxtehude?

>>73621308
https://u.nya.is/inicxg.pdf
>english vol 1

>>73621997
organ works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz3rbXDQryw

>>73621994
You're a fucking useless shitter Poly. Obviously he was asking about resources for someone who has no intentions of being professional.

What does classical think of this guy? Particularly his lessons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9A1ehGzS6I

>>73622146
Artofcounterpoint is the only youtube lessons you should be watching

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>>73622200
>Lady Gaga Fugue

>>73622222
whoa

guess i gotta listen to the resurrection symphony now

>>73622222
His counterpoint tutorials are decent if you can get past his Italian accent.

His fugues on pop themes are pretty funny. Bach used popular melodies so why shouldn't some random youtube guy?

>>73622290
You're wrong. I have the digits to prove it. y'know Rick Beato is pretty good too.

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Christophe Rousset is GOAT with Rameau.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqB1Xx9ZJY0

>>73608301
Just to let everyone know, folders 3 and 7 have now been merged into one.

>>73621430
I'd say John Adams.

>>73623674
found the crudblud

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hyAOYMUVDs

>>73620992
I don't get it

>>73623691
Except he's not even the worst minimalist and his operas have good story and librettos. Steve Reich and Philip Glass are easily worse than him.

>>73623998
In terms of being populist and simplistic in its construction with plenty of fireworks, it's very capeshit. Glass is too passive and Reich is too process oriented for either to be capeshit.

>>73608301

>spent one year learning to play the piano
>im not even at the level of random 7 yo on youtube

what do?

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Anyone else know this feel?

>>73621997
-cantatas (especially: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" and "Fürwahr, er trug unsere Krankheit", "Klinget für Freuden; ihr lärmen Klarinen" is one of my personal favourites, because it's so catchy and easy to listen to)

-Membra Jesu Nostri (!)

-organ works

>>73621997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzRG-3A-4I

Harpsichord works

>>73624062
Study more? You may have picked a thoroughly trained 7 years old, or you may simply have slacked off.
Are you studying with a teacher? Are you playing on a real piano? How much are you practicing?

>>73625299

Im playing on an entry level digital piano by myself using books and youtube.

i practice once a day with lapses now and then

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tz5eXSvJlY

>>73621430
no

>>73621994
Oh, didn't realize the Bernstein lectures were reprehensible. Why is that?

>>73625684
The Bernstein lectures are fine. He does things with a view to connecting the modernists to earlier music and makes a pretty decent go of it. His analyses of hidden tonal content in Schoenberg string quartets and Pierrot are very interesting, for example. He also makes the case for "atonal" being a silly concept that doesn't really tell you much about the music itself. It's very even handed, which is quite surprising given how extremely biased Bernstein tended to be.

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>>73621997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvNGAc-F_yk

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsPelwi3mp8

Essential Klemperer recordings?

>>73627837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSi1H-f6uHE

>>73624224
Could you explain it?

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>>73627837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwprrS-RsE4

Here ya go

>>73628289
>natural 432hz shows up
the sign of a very high quality video

>>73628262
he sounds like early Disney/Hollywood orchestral soundtracks, that's "it".

>>73628437
which Disney soundtrack has something like the Golden Calf scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTAjosr1gSE

>>73627837
>Essential
>Klemperer
xD

1. Johann Sebastian Bach

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>>73614047
*awkwardly octaves into desired key*

>>73621220
André Laplante

>>73621220
and cziffra

>>73621172
move to china

>>73617428
/classical/ has always been pro-Israel and pro-Zionist.

>>73612197
I have some of his works, where is a good place I can upload? It would take a while though.

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>>73629766
This, we fucking love jews over here. This is a designated jewish safespace.

I'm new to /classical/, Does anyone here know the definitive best version of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto no. 3 in d minor op. 30? I heard it on the radio and I was enamored with it's mix of brass(?) and piano. I would also like to know of any similarly arranged concerto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNqll8xu5c

Any Schuricht fans in?

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>>73633062
Love that recording, as well as his entire OSCC cycle.

>>73632209
depending on your tastes I'd say it's probably somewhere between Weissenberg, Zoltan Kocsis, and Earl Wild

give Bartok and Medtner's a listen if you like Rach, other recommendations that aren't quite so similar would be Scriabin, Busoni, Rubinstein

>>73631315
>>73629766
Calm down rabbi, its just a joke :^)

Who's your favorite composer that has no good recordings of their works?

>>73634147
Sorabji

>>73634147
Celibidache

>>73634147
Herbert von Karajan

>>73634147
Busch

>>73634147
Janacek's Glagolitic Mass seems to be pretty unlucky. Plenty of good recordings of the revised edition, but the superior earlier edition is thoroughly tainted by bad soloists and mediocre choirs with mediocre diction.

Other than that, Skalkottas could certainly used some more imaginative performers, I think.

Reminder to listen to Boulanger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE0fgkRrRhM

>>73617428
>tfw I like Mahler 1 too but nothing else
Might have to spin Mahler 4 real quick-like laddie

>>73634147
Alkans Le Preux has no recordings that are even listenable. Alot of Roslavet is hard to find too.

>>73634190
Thought the post read conductor. I am so sorry.

I got the name of the piece starting at 08:56 on the tip of me tongue, yet I can't figure out what is it and it's driving me insane. Please help, /classical/

https://archive.org/details/PhantasmagoriaTheater-TheBlackCat1934948-2

>>73628513
Put your trip back on m8

>>73634147
Some nice rare CPE and Graupner recordings were taken down.

What's some good NRK other than Scheherezade

>>73635072
Chopin Prelude Op. 28 No. 2, not sure who orchestrated it

>>73635931
Thank you very much.

>>73635786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8zSNNf3kDs

More in depth analysis of a single piece like this? Especially its development from earlier iterations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpzQAr0YgiI

>>73635786
Capriccio Espagnol

>>73635786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMq87z_ZkPc

>>73636747
Holy shit

>Start the symphony in the wrong key like an absolute madman

Is the fact that there's no female composers at all in the western canon (or really any female composers that I've ever heard of) proof of the inferiority of females? I hear that females are better at thinking emotionally, but not analytically like men are. That's why you often find men in more engineering positions. It's not sexism, it's just facts of nature. Music is an interesting thing, in that it requires an extremely analytical mind, and it also requires being in touch with your emotions.

>>73637334
Lili Boulanger was really good though desu. The opening chords to this could easily be mistaken as Rautavaara. She died before she could mature enough to get a wide following and mature enough to have a unique voice. Could've been a pioneer in female music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgLEEf9hWA

>>73637334
Women are merely wild animals that were domesticated at some point in ancient human history, there's nothing much to expect there.

>>73637334
Utter knob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen

>>73637521
>von memen

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>>73637334
u wot?

Time to educate yourself.

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>>73637334
One of the oldest composers in the Western tradition was a women :^).
More seriously though there are plenty of great female composers currently alive and even in the best there were plenty of "good" ones. Remember that women weren't encouraged and even actively told not to go into composition until somewhat recently.

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>>73637699
>best
I meant to type past there but you get my point.

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Holy fuuuuuuuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeQvBygqRIg

>>73638292
is that the Japanese version of Chuckie Finster?

>>73638314
Yeah basically.

>>73637482
agreed. Women definitely don't show much inclination for serious creative ambition in general but Boulanger was like an Emily Dickinson. Maybe she would have been the greatest composer of the 20th century if she had lived a full life.

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgpGRn0YVrg

>>73637482
This has Rautavaara written all over it desu. Not just the opening chords.

>>73628780
how do you even do that? Wouldn't jumping an octave put you in the same key as before?

>>73639142
Not if you modulate into the parallel key.

Who are your favourites for the Emperor concerto?

>>73639430
Barenboim is the best

>>73639430
Michelangeli/Celi
Fischer/Furt
Gieseking/Rother
Schnabel/Whoever

Lots of good Emperors though, too many to list

best /classical/ to play while gettin' nasty?

>>73640268
Bach english suites

>>73637334
maybe if the richest periods of western music had occurred much later, we would have them

>>73639926
>Gieseking/Rother
Isn't that the recording with the bombs dropping?

>>73639430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weK_L4oxbEo

goat conductor

Are there any 'impresionist' composers other than Ravel and Debussy, and are there ones who are more so than them?

>>73641332
Claude Debussy and Maurice Ravel are two leading figures in impressionism, though Debussy rejected this label (he mentioned in his letter that "imbeciles call 'impressionism', a term employed with the utmost inaccuracy") and Ravel displayed discomfort with it, at one point claiming that it could not be adequately applied to music at all.[4][5] Debussy's impressionist works typically "evoke a mood, feeling, atmosphere, or scene" by creating musical images through characteristic motifs, harmony, exotic scales (e.g., whole-tone and pentatonic scales), instrumental timbre, large unresolved chords (e.g., 9ths, 11ths, 13ths), parallel motion, ambiguous tonality, extreme chromaticism, heavy use of the piano pedals, and other elements.[2] Some impressionist composers, Debussy and Ravel in particular, are also labeled as symbolist composers. One trait shared with both aesthetic trends is "a sense of detached observation: rather than expressing deeply felt emotion or telling a story," as in symbolist poetry, the normal syntax is usually disrupted and individual images that carry the work's meaning are evoked.[2]
Some of the key forerunners of and influences on the impressionist style include Modest Mussorgsky, Emmanuel Chabrier, Edvard Grieg, Gabriel Fauré, Henri Duparc, and Ernest Chausson. Elements of impressionism can also be traced back to works by Frédéric Chopin, Franz Liszt, and Richard Wagner.[6][not in citation given]
Ernest Fanelli was claimed to have innovated the style in the early 1880s, though his works were unperformed before 1912.

>>73641332
Satie's orchestral works can give off that vibe. Dukas also comes to mind. And Poulenc.

>>73641332
The performance of his works in that year led to claims that he was the father of musical Impressionism. Ravel wrote, "this impressionism is certainly very different from that of present-day composers...Mr. Fanelli's impressionism derives more directly from Berlioz." He added that Fanelli's alleged priority does not in any way diminish the achievements of later composers: "the investigations of the young Fanelli could not have diminished those of his colleagues...It is peculiar that these investigations suddenly assume importance because their embryo is discovered in a work written 30 years ago."[7]
Other composers linked to impressionism include Leoš Janáček, Isaac Albéniz, Frederick Delius, Paul Dukas, Erik Satie, Enrique Granados, Alexander Scriabin, Manuel de Falla, John Alden Carpenter, Joaquín Turina, Ottorino Respighi, Charles Tomlinson Griffes, and Federico Mompou.[8] The Finnish composer Jean Sibelius is also associated with impressionism, and his The Swan of Tuonela (1893) predates Debussy's Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (regarded as a seminal work of musical impressionism) by a year. The American composer Howard Hanson also borrowed from both Sibelius and impressionism generally in works such as his Second Symphony.[9]

>>73635786
>Scheherezade

I find it immensely repetitive to the point of irritation, desu.

>>73636747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE98vcGZre4

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The best Alpine Symphony.

https://mega.nz/#!RpByFSQK!shxli_aDMP4IxljUhIrUXR76YMR0hhYG6OT5D3zROJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YbPQfBYl0A&list=PLGzvPausE_adp6rB8-ZP1JFi9M9sCxWul&index=1

post children of composers who were also good composers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tzLguU_2Dg

>>73636747
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Kurth
>his concept of 'developmental motif' has remained influential. A developmental motif is one which gradually changes or grows, becoming a structural carrier of formal developments.
>wrote 2 volumes about Bruckner

>>73641770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbCsHTonpUg

This is a very creepy one

Give me your best Penderecki recordings please.

Karajan or Furtwangler?

>>73643502
for???

>>73643511
Beethoven.

>>73643513
its beethoven: so just listen to one of them, and the next time you want to listen to that symphony choose the other one instead

>>73643529
>>73643513
to clarify, I mean to decide which one you appreciate more through listening

>>73643529
I have both, more just wondering on who people prefer and their reasons why.

>>73643342
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=700824

to see
to hear
to touch
to kiss
to diiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>73637229
it was prometheus tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x45mVPw3nqY

Weber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Umd7w5cECE

>>73633062
>>73633104
Why were Schuricht's Beethoven recordings panned by critics?

>>73637488
this.

>>73645014
Was it? His earlier Beethoven recordings for Decca were well received, iirc.

It could be a variety of things, I guess. They're late-mono recordings in that sort've weird transitional stage when everyone was freaking out about stereo and coming out with their own Beethoven sets. The sound quality on the Schuricht set was merely acceptable for its time, and the 9th, though it was recorded in stereo, was never released until Testament got their hands on the tapes.

>>73645107
Oh, and of course there is the distinct French sonority, which, I imagine, probably offended ears which were more used to the ever-increasing "smoothness" of modern orchestras at the time, like that of the Philharmonia and other British orchestras.

>>73625417
You're not going to make it, sorry.

These threads are embarrassing because the mega folders have been the same for like the last ten editions. Get some new material, pretentious fucks!

>>73646030
Solomon Grundy was born on a Monday.

Backhaus / Böhm / Brahms - Piano Concerto No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3k2a4Gi0Fc

>>73643502
Furt.

>>73639430
Arrau/Davis

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>be me
>start reading scores when listening to music
>I know the basics of music reading but that's it
>I'm basically looking at pictures, searching for rhythms and intonations that kinda resemble what I'm looking at
>do this for 6 months
>I can't name a single note, but I can take any score, listen to any music and never lose track of where I am
>start doing solfege (while singing the notes in tune)
>do this for 3 months
>be me this morning
>glance at a score of a Chabrier piece I've never heard
>immediatly hear the music in my head, with great emphasis on dynamics and tone
>start thinking about music
>tfw actually composing canons in my head
>wonder if what I imagined as an A is actually an A
>play an A on the keyboard
>it sounds like the one I've imagined

>tfw I've casually realized this morning that I'm now more competent as a listener than 99.99% of both /mu/ and /classical/

Outside of Wagner, which Knappertsbusch recordings are must have?

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Who's the best and most well- rounded classic pianist in history?

If Beethoven was alive would he invest in Bitcoin, Ethereum, or Golem? Discuss.

Does anyone unironically think Mozart is a better composer than Bach and Beethoven?

I have a question to all good pianists on this board.
If you have to take a wild guess on how much time you can learn this https://youtu.be/Q3Tr5eHDurw
how much time will it take judging by your level?
don't lie we are on the internet

>>73641332
using impressionist as a label for ravel and debussy makes a lot of sense at first, but when you dive into their music you realize that the only thing they share are parallel motion and extended chords.
Ravel and especially Debussy were completely unique composers. If you want Ravel-like music I would suggest listening to neo-classical works by stravinsky and bartok.
Nobody really sounds like Debussy because he managed to invent and perfect his own musical language, in a short lifetime. Debussy was a neo-modal composer and the most famous other neo-modal composer is Messiaen. So I suggest you listen to his early works, preludes, organ works, and songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPdsPhSQy58
so fucking good

Where should I start with the Brandenburg concertos?

What's the best heavy and depressing music?

>>73647743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJWLU1ja_1Y

>>73648538
5 for that sicc harpsichord cadenza

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Where to start with pic related?

>>73643781
good taste

>>73648538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehbar90jHz8

>>73648576
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ef-4Bv5Ng0w

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>>73648538
i barocchisti

>trying to listen to Mahler at work
>gabby skanks endlessly blathering about where they go on the weekend

>BLEBHELBHWEBLWEBHWALILIKETOGOTOTHETHINGBUTSOMETIMESIGOTOTHEOTHERTHINGOMGGGGGIKNOWWWWWILIKETOGOTOTHINGSTOOOOMGGGGILOVEYOURSHIRTSDKJSDLFHJSALFJKSAF

How is this more important than Mahler?

ayo whitebois, whatchu think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J3ClVWMCR4

>>73643574
Has a composer EVER done a good job conducting their own works on record?

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>>73647917

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https://youtu.be/i-x3g0OIaJ0?t=3604

>>73647576
>be me
>went to music school
>learnt that shit 7 years ago
glad you caught up with us, anon.

Are military marches /classical/? Do you lads know where can I find German WWII-era marches in FLAC or at least lossless format?

Also, who plays Wagner the best?

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>>73652567
fuck off nazi punks

/classical/ is a leftist community.

>>73652567
Solti's Ring is great desu senpai

>>73648576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwVJrSbHbyM

>>73652797
lmao

>>73652797
but the jew you posted loved wagner and recorded him many times

>>73650856
>The track is "The Marriage of Figaro" from The Magic Flute if anyone was wondering.

Pachelbel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnbH-MrVvEM

>>73654785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYN_oJkfyQ

Can i get an essentials chart? Preferably something that's already in the general folders in the OP

t. babys first trip into classical

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>>73654956

>>73653062
no

>>73655446
tfw to intelligent to browse threads other than this one

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>>73654956

does /classical/ like anything by /xenakis/

>>73655525
no

>>73655525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SARe6hf1CU

>>73655525
xenakis sucks

>>73655525
/persepolis/

where do you guys go for more obscure composers? i'm trying to hunt down ana-maria avram, iancu dumitrescu and m. levinas' discographies, but i can't find them anywhere on public trackers, and i haven't got a redacted account to check there.

>>73655761
literally a children could have wrote this "piece".

>>73611884
>>73621308
Here you go:

https://mega.nz/#F!5epjzDyS!uagtbmZ7bS6K_RgMLlLCug

>>73628437
other way around

>>73658021
>a children