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>>73602537
The other great lester! Ive been listening to a lot of trane. Im always listening to a lot of his later stuff byt recently ive been revisiting some live stuff from 62-64.

what are some other tracks with this kind of pacing and structure? i'm not sure what genre it is but i think it's bebop (?)
https://clyp.it/q0vrwv50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q

Making/adjusting my Miles Davis backlog. Hoping for some feedback when it's completed.

Post amazing live jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPXw6YaCEY

Can we have a jazz recommendation grid??

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>>73602886
there you go mate

>>73602906
cheers cobber :)

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>>73602922
legend cheers

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>>73602537
Don't forget the pasta in the OP

>/mu/ jazz guides and charts
http://imgur.com/a/7k7Sw

>releases, reviews and news
https://pastebin.com/RXP80z0f

>music downloads
https://archive.org/details/davidwnivenjazz

>historical resources
https://mega.nz/#F!fNdmVR7B!9a5sgVwyqqC3i3j9ooJGLg (jazz books)
https://mega.nz/#F!vZUVwQAR!nye_-wRwFbm-0Q3DYivQBg (Collection of Blue Note liner notes)
https://mega.nz/#F!ncdz0CpY!7RKQ_SY6OI77NcKS64t4UA (Collection of 1960’s Down Beat Scans)

>jazz theory and playing resources
https://mega.nz/#F!WcEEmbIJ!YGcPWrZAx4K9Jf4TVnsb_w

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>>73602991
Here's the Polish jazz chart I made, it also includes yass albums which start with Tańce Bydgoskie.

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>>73603044

WE REALLY GOTTA OUT THE CHARTS IN THE COPY PASTA!!!! too much chart posting in /jazz/.

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Here's the backlog I'm going with when I'm done with my current one. ALL of his studio albums (counting Live-Evil since it's half studio). Thoughts? Any swapouts?

I'm gonna be listening to these all in order and I'll probably post very frequently in these threads when I do so.

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>>73603118
I went through most of his albums last summer, it was great. Read his autobiography too, it's really good.

>>73603068
I'm going to upload them and add the link to copypasta when I get back home.

>>73603192
Domo

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>>73603118
it all looks good to me and clearly your going for a very specific thing here but man, its strange to look at that list and realize how much of miles most essential material is live records.

>>73603448
Examples? I may end up doing a second backlog for his live material but for most musicians I end up preferring studio material much more.

>>73603602
oh man, ill try to think off the top of my head.
>My Funny Valentine
>Four & More
>Live at the Black Hawk
>Live at Newport 58
>Live at the Plugged Nickel
>At Carnagie Hall
>In Europe
>Live in Tokyo (not essential but i like it, second quintet but with Sam Rivers instead of Wayne or Coleman)
>Live at the Filmore
>Jack Johnson Sessions (studio album you should add that i thought of)
>Dark Magus (a personal favorite)
>Agartha
>We Want Miles

I really really reccomend most of those and would say theyre pretty essential miles stuff, i mean like not if your really looking to get into his shit like that, some of those are definitely SUPER ESSENTIAL though. hope this helps and isnt overwhelming or anything. ive never tried to do all of Miles discography, the guy lived too long and made too many records haha.

>>73603726
I already have Jack on the backlog it just doesn't have the right damn cover because topsters.

And like I said I'll definitely try to see if I can fit a live album or two of his in there but with how many just of studio (not even of all his stuff just the ones on Spotify) there are it might take a while.

Thanks for the recommendations.

>>73603764
oh shit your right, yeah thats a different cover then what im used to. if you arent going to do any other live albums, the three i would say you like haaave to do are My Funny Valentine, Live at the Blackhawk, and Dark Magus are like really really essential.

>>73602859
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZV6FzLeWeo

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Oh my fucking god why have I never seen this posted on here?

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Chris Potter at Blues Alley last night. Excellent show.

>>73606493
Ive posted it a few times. Its a pretty ambitious record.

>>73606991
who was he playing with?

Props to jtg for suggesting Yosvanny Terry, especially that record Today's Opinion because it's got both the complex shit I like while it does the afro cuban shit in a way that's not another Buena Vista Social Club.

Other than Terry, the usual Pultizer baits like Wadada or Threadgill, or the European minimalism jazz guys, who else this decade has been taking approaches new for jazz music?

>>73608450
It's fucking amazing, holy shit.

I just listened to it for the first time, it's just like someone got all of the best parts of jazz/rock/pop/folk from the 60s and smashed it together.

Also the stuff Jack Bruce does does on it is better than anything he did with Cream.

>>73609075
yeah, i was kind of amazed at jack bruces ability on that record, i guess his bitching about having to mindlessly back up clapton in cream was true haha. Carla is a beautiful writer.
>>73609032
well, i really hate this stuff in general and idk if id call it jazz but i do have to say that Snarky Puppy and their ilk, so i guess maybe BBNG, probably the best of these groups being glaspers current electric trio. like i dont dig it and idk if its jazz but it is a sound that didnt quite exists ten years ago, though there was really similar stuff all the way back in the 70s. stick to the threadgill.

I really want to go through all these charts, but it's so hard finding them all. Any chance we could put them all in mega folders?

>>73609226
You need soulseek in your life - it is in fact so easy to find even obscure records.

>>73608870
Basically the same quartet from his last album. David Virelles on piano and Joe Martin on bass, but Dan Weiss was on drums. They also did some new material that hasn't been recorded yet that was really good. Better than the stuff on the album I think.

>>73609032
Yeah, that record is so good. You should check out David Virelles. I was surprised at how overtly Cuban a lot of the stuff he was playing with Chris Potter was. His Mboko record from a few years ago was really innovative.

>>73602833
No love for some of my favorite Mingus eh?

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I was listening to this recently, not bad

>>73609226
soulseek is a protip
and if you're using linux - nicotine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6VHXmwd0cs

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recently bought an original mono pressing of this one so I've been listening to it

Clark Terry with Thelonious Monk on piano, also noteworthy for being the first Terry record where he plays flugelhorn. Pretty cool album if you want to hear Monk play in a more traditionally swinging setting.

>>73610219
love that record. one my of favorite parts about monk as a man and a musician is that no matter what setting he is in, he doesnt make any concessions about who he is. the man always plays himself, and played himself from like idk fucking 42 til he died. he just found his sound so early and always played it. i love monk.

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>>73602537
Who have you guys been stealing licks from lately?

>>73610811
Charlie Parker. And I'm a guitar player. The Bird was one of a kind.

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>tfw you can't reach a 10th on the piano with your left hand
>tfw you can't use one of the best one handed chord voicings

>>73610811
Dave Kikoski

toss a few of his licks into your solo and people start paying attention

>>73611085
lol Everyone steals from him. All his licks are bread and butter bebop language

>>73610811
No one. Not to say i have an original sound, im basically the poorest mans jimmy garrison these days. But i dont steal licks, ive been studying voice leading in the upper structures and its really opened up my playing.

>>73612054
Fair enough, but its worth noting every single composer and jazz musician has "stolen" licks and ideas and created variations on them (or at the very least studied who came before them).

>>73612252
Oh absolutely, but i think of it more as like if i listen to an album enough then ill probably end up playing some of those licks orgnaically by accident. I think that was happening more often then not with the old masters. I dont think trane sat there and transcribred on to paper a bunch of lester young licks or solos, i think he just listened to him enough and sang along with it. I also still transcribe for academic reasons a good amount. I dont think theres anything wrong with any system, i think you should do whatever process you enjoy most and some of the stuff you dont dig as much sometimes. A lot of it for me is about enjoying the process, i liked my sound more after i stopped spending most of my practice time transcribing. And it probably doesnt make me sound any less derivative, like i said, these days im a shit jimmy garrison, about a year ago i was shit charlie haden haha.

>>73612252
Oh and the study of people before me i choose to do through just listening to the records a lot, probably the way anyone on /mu/ would but im amazed how many people at jazz school just know tunes or solos and never listen to someones like whole discography or even an album all the way through.

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here comes the whistleman- rowland kirk

>>73612467
I'd bet Trane transcribed some stuff to paper

>>73612641
Yeah he definitely did, and then probably played a thousand permutations in each key of his favorite licks.

>>73612484
I mean, yeah that's solid. But obsessive listening and breaking down exactly why a lick or phrase was so good helps spur on creative ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_7DgCrziI8

He talks about licks around 7:11~

>>73606991
Nice. I don't really love any of his albums that I've heard but I bet he'd be great to see live in that kind of a venue.

>>73612641
>>73612785
do you guys have any evidence to back that up? i looked but couldnt find anything and im interested, though i did find a really long page on Liebman's website about transcription.

Again, im not saying i dont transcribe, i do! definitely! usually to figure out what compositional techniques someones using but i transcribe plenty of lines and solos, never really individual licks though. i just feel like i enjoy my own playing more if instead of playing licks i just spend more time getting really inside of certain harmonic concepts and things like that. not to be a dick but i can guarentee ive spent a lot more time playing arpeggios and patterns based around them then anyone who spends time on licks (arpeggios and patterns is a very simple way to put it but i cant sit here and describe my entire process on fuking 4chan haha)

Hey jazzbros, I have a question.

I listened to this low-quality live television performance by Duke Ellington: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6uaE2oYj4&t=2814s and in it he speaks inbetween songs.

there was one quote in the video that I thought was really good but I can't find it through googling. he explained how "jazz is like a tree."

does anyone know where I can find this quote?

>>73613445
yes it's my quote

jazz is like a tree: good melodies branch out into beautiful leafy textures, sinewy roots drive deep into the soul of our soil, and lots of dead niggers can hang from a strong one.

what a spectacular mind

>>73613288
No evidence, and it's entirely possible that he didn't write his shit out, but i would just personally be very surprised if that was the case.

I'm also not really sure what your distinction between "licks" and arpeggio patterns is... a lot of the licks I've learned from transcribing are just arpeggio patterns

>>73613550

shut the fuck up loser

>>73613619
:(

>>73612909
Yeah, it's the second time I've seen him live in a very intimate setting and it's great. I've heard people on /mu/ criticize him for being too flashy with his technique and not "emotional" enough but when you see him live it's pretty obvious that he puts plenty of emotion into his playing and plays with a lot of conviction.

>>73613288
If you listen to lots of jazz albums, you should notice that there are licks that continually crop up and players often have pet licks. If they didn't literally transcribe them down, players certainly heard these licks on records or from other musicians and woodshedded those specific ideas.

>>73613574
basically a lot of my difference in concept comes from me thinking most people spend too much time on stuff thats too big for them to really get a full grasp of. for instance if you transcribe a ii-V like that goes across 4 bars (ex. IA-ID7IGmaj7IGmaj7I) then you are giving yourself a pretty big task in trying to understand every aspect of whats happening in those 4 bars (rhythmically, phrasing, hamonically, melodically, voice leading, intervalic structure, etc.). It might just be me but i think it would take me pretty much a month of only practicing those 4 bars to understand it. not to mention contextualizing it, like yeah it might sound nice over that tune but what about a ii-V in a different tune, can be in the same key but if theres different notes in the melody in that section of a different tune then your already out of context cause your ignoring the melodic material that should still be sung in your mind during the entirety of the tune (in my opinion). I think it leads to a more spontaneous and, honestly, easier improvising process if i think if i just practice and study the mother fuck out of each aspect i mentioned above through various exercises i create and then just try to implement that knowledge over a tune by just playing the tune over and over solo (sometimes to a metronome, sometimes not, remember im a bassist) for a few hours. about the arpeggios i mean that for example when im praciticing harmonic ideas i just play any arpeggio pattern i can think of over the tune out of time, basically building until i am just playing the whole arpeggio, plus extensions, and any note in the melody over that chord. also melody notes are implemented at the same time i do guide tones, i think of voice leading guide tones and melody notes for the most part.

>>73613810
okay man, yeah fucking of course i notice that lee morgan plays the same lick on like every record hes on starting with blue train, and of course ive fucking heard wynton and freddie hubbard play it too, and im sure Lee got it from maybe roy eldridge or clifford brown. basically what im saying is that if music is a language and every solo is like a poem , then lifting a lick is like learning a quote and then potentially varying it until it isnt just plagarism (hopefully!) and you have something that you can say is your own, but was inspired by so and so ernest hemingway or some shit. but you can also take just study the grammar and words dictionary well enough that you can just develop something else entirely, on top of that you read enough poetry to recognize the way your favorite poets do things and if you decide you want to pay particular tribute to fuckin maya angelou real quick then you can play something of your own that you would consider in the style of ms angelou or langston hughs or whitman. people seem to get real fuckin sensitive when someone mentions the idea of doing something outside of transcription and honestly i think its because they get insecure about the fact that without enough effort then you just end up plagarizing the shit out of someone elses work. if i hear some dipshit play that fuckin lee morgan lick from that blue train solo one more time im gonna kill everyone and then myself.

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This is THE SHIT. Soak it in /mu/ggots

>>73613828
Well yeah if you only ever transcribe licks and then just play them note-for-note the way they were first played then your solos will suck. But there's no reason you can't do this occasionally, or just play the licks in the meantime while you're really getting inside the concept. Sometimes it's good to play shit that you know will sound good, even if you don't fully grasp all the concepts involved. It's part of learning.

I also don't agree with how much importance you seem to be placing on the written melody. I think it can be a good way to approach soloing, but it's not the only way. Personally, I find that if I keep the written melody in mind through the whole solo that it really limits my ability to phrase creatively and interestingly, or to use the melody of the tune, but in different or interesting ways. If the band is all over the place and the form is getting messed up, sure come back to the melody, but I generally find people who stick too close to the melody to be uninteresting to play with and listen to.

>>73613550
I kek'd, have a (You)

>>73614146
Why wouldnt you consider the melody notes as part of the chord your improvising over? Thats what the composer wrote isnt it??? Im not say play the melody, im saying that its all equal parts!

>>73613980
>kill everyone and then myself
that was a great patton oswald cd wasn't it

>>73614284
Ah, well yeah I think it's just assumed that the melody note is part of the chord. I'm pretty sure they reflect the melody notes in the changes they have written in the real book. Maybe not always but a lot of the time they do.

>>73614323
Hahah yeah its a great cd, patton is the shit. Does stand up comedy fall under /mu/ or /tv/ or what.

>>73614522
Idk about the real book but yeah sometiems they do sometimes they dont, either way i think its really important to shed it as part of the chord.

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>>73606493
This is my least favorite JCOA recording, but I haven't heard Communication. Histrionic, hysteric, bipolar are the words I think of when listening to it. I prefer less crowded space in my free jazz.

Been listening to a lot of George Lewis (Homage to Charles Parker, Shadowgraph, w/Splitter Orchestra), some Grachan Moncur (the Blue Note albums), the Roswell Rudd/Steve Lacy Monk stuff, Albert Ayler's ESP recordings (triggered by the recent Hilversum LP reissue), Jeff Parker's Slight Freedom, Henry Kaiser's It's A Wonderful Life, lots of Ned Rothenberg's Trials of the Argo, and lastly a lot of 2017 free improvisation including Astral Spirit's last two batches, Matthias Müller's solo trombone (maybe my favorite 2017 record so far), Nate Wooley's Syllables comp, and some more solo efforts from Fred Lonberg-Holmes and Ilan Volkov (as well as releases from Toxic, Jaime Branch, Alice Coltrane, Will Guthrie, and Colin Stetson)

Always and forever listening to Bill Evans.

Track of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FEa_Q3E-HE

>>73602951
roll

>>73615949
Oh i forgot that i was listening to this zoot sims album this morning. Zoot really plays that smooth hard bop well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0193TLJ63Lw

>>73615963
not a big fan of that album, reroll

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Charlie fucking Haden

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>jazz album doesn't list the personnel on the front cover

bumperoo

>>73602951
roll

>page 9

Wake up goofballs

Where do i start with William Parker?

>>73619215
Oh geez, youll have to give me a minute. What do you usually listen to?

>>73619585
Last thing i really enjoyed was Iron Man by Eric Dolphy

Post some vocal jazz tunes please.

>>73620545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHM6VCosxU

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>>73619732
>Farmers By Nature- Out of this Worlds Distrotions...
>Daniel Carter- Painters Spring
>Other Dimensions in Music- Time is of the Essence is Beyond Time
If you just want an idea for who William is then i reccomend his solo albums
>Testimony
>Crumbling in the Shadows is Frueline Millers Stale Cake
If your looking for something different from any of those try
>The Gowanus Session (with Nels Cline)
>Mass for the Healing of the World
>Sunrise in the Tone World
>Luc's Lantern
>Altitude (personal favorite)
Also keep in mind his most famous work is in the David S. Ware Quartet so i really reccomend
>Go See The World
>Live In the World
>Surrendered

Hope this helps, I study with him and am seeing him sometime in the next few weeks if you have anything you want me to ask him i can do my best.

>>73620669
embarrassing
>>73620545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmkXKPP9aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2qjz5jzgIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUniuD-jsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Scd9WGDZog

>>73620545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcr99JAPuU8

GIVE ME VIBRAPHONE

Does anyanon have a dixieland/neworleans chart?

>>73621367
Well, it is vocal jazz but not in the traditional sense.

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Any recommendations once this gem wears off?

>>73603044
Who else here took the /criss cross/ pill? Whenever I take a long drive I will just pick a criss cross album at random to put on. I've found a couple that are a little bland but none of them have been bad so far and most are great.

>tfw I've got more than five days of continuous listening in my jazz backlog

>>73624418
That's a good start

>>73621297
Nuff, you mentioned a few threads ago that Parker had solo records; what are the titles?

Also, I've only ever heard solo bass from Maarten Altena; any other favorite solo bass records I should know about?

>>73625982
>>73621297

Sorry, any others after Testimony and Crumbling in the Shadows

holy shit bump

>>73625982
Hey man, i believe there is one more but i cant find it at the moment. Theres also a duo bass record he released this year. Other then Parker's solo bass albums i really like a guy named Barre Philips, his solo bass record is called journal violone, hope this helps!

>>73622831
robert glasper is in a similar vein

>>73602859
If you got a few hours to spare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2BKyt5kIBU

I fucking love jazz

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Was listening to pic related recently...Eric could be really sweet and heartfelt when he wanted to be. Tracks like the Come Sunday cover really don't crop up in his discog often enough. It's still as creatively performed as the more manic cuts and it gives more variety to Iron Man than is on say, Out to Lunch. Which is a better album in fairness, but there's nothing like the earnest sensitivity Davis and Dolphy have as a duet here.

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This is one of the best piano jazz albums I've ever heard.

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>>73602537
got the new Thomas de Pourquery and Laurent Coulondre albums, but too tired from work to enjoy them right now. I'll try them tomorrow or this week-end

have a bump, /jazz/

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bump desu
someone school me on how to play absolutely bitchin guitar on Passion Dance.
>inb4 listen to McCoy
the real book says F7sus4 ofc, but what's McCoy Tyner's philosophy behind his suspended harmony? i'm not sure what actual question I'm posing, but I'd like to hear from you guys.

>>73629712
He did it a lot and hanmered big full chords like he was trying to break the keys. Maybe aggressively voice lead some suspended chords and use arpeggios sparingly?

>>73605779
You're such a sweet nerd jazzpossu, I love it. It's inspiring how into your local jazz you are; deffo gonna check some of these out.

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Is this Alex's best album?

More Christian Scott

>>73602951
rolling

can someone rec me albums with lots of good brass parts?

>>73631047
No, how would they play if not vinyl?

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>>73602537
This is one of my new favorites and another album I have enjoyed is Mingus Plays Piano and Miles Davis: Dark. Magus>>73602801

>>73629712
Fuggin triad pairs

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>>73631519
Whyd you quote me on dark magus?

>>73631047
John Coltrane - Africa/Brass
Freddie Hubbard and Woody Shaw - Double Take
Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess
Grachan Moncur - Evolution
Chris Potter - Transatlantic
Clifford Brown - Study in Brown
Duke Ellington - ...And his Mother Called him Bill
Dizzy Gillespie - Birk's Works
Micheal Formanek - The Distance

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more like this?

bump for ya nerds

>>73631047
Blakey, Ugetsu

>>73630169
>no Chris Potter
no way

Are there any interesting Jazz stories? Or players with an interesting history?

Best jazz spots in Toronto anyone can recommend ?

>>73602803
can someone pls recommend something anything

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>>73638615

>>73602951
Rolling

>>73638615
https://youtu.be/uHhPmXqts3M

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>>73632926

Pharoah Sanders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTvqwMO46zY

Yosuke Yamashita Trio - Chiasma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB_cOgLa4rA

Frank Lowe - Black Beings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-q6nou0qS8

>>73639505
>>73639715
thx

This is the last bump you're getting from me tonight. Godspeed, /jazz/ niggas.

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Bumpo

dizzie gillespie

>>73643208
Charlie Parker

Gooood morning /jazz/, what should i listen to today?

>>73622130
im an outsider with jazz, but this has got some pretty cool latin/pop stuff. uses the motor too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbRCLSOYn-8

Milt Jackson is cool as well as Gary Burton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vf-gTakrp0

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Question, I'm listening to pic related and the first track has the infamous hard panning on so many classic albums. Unfortunately all I have for listening to music right now is headphones, so is there a way I can reduce my sound to mono so it's bearable to listen to the tracks with hard panning?

>>73645060
Many music players are able to do that, I think that you could do that in foobar and in clementine, I'm not sure about others.
Perhaps you could use Audacity too.

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>>73602996
For the love of god can we please just make a pastebin for all the charts?

What does /jazz/ think of Jobim?

>>73646206
I like him man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry4cDPiqHCk