/classical/

File: Igor_Stravinsky_Essays[1].jpg (343KB, 1060x1576px) Image search: [Google]

343KB, 1060x1576px

Stravinsky visited this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7sFQuWX2pE

>>73554514

anyone?

>>73518046
i like the mellower sound of this instrument but why does he have to play with such over Romantic feel

>>73555050
Yeah its just a shiity ripoff of Paganini

File: 4ga.gif (449KB, 500x350px) Image search: [Google]

449KB, 500x350px

>go into music theory with no prior knowledge
>admire music theoryfags like they're wizards, aspire to be them
>but secretly begin to suspect they're all retards memorizing secondary and tertiary theory that doesn't touch the essence of a real PHILOSOPHY of music
>ask them all the time about actual "philosophy of music"
>they get confused and cite pop cogsci garbage at best
>50% of them really only memorise correctthink opinions about the historical progression of compositional forms
>the other 50% learns the basics of that stuff and then spends the rest of their life being Boss Hipster of some /mu/ clique, basically using his $150,000 education to talk about contemporary admixtures of pop filth
>not a drop of music philosophy or ontology among them
>go to philosophers who aren't primarily musicologists and who don't give a fuck about "Music Theory: The Guild of Hipster Faggots"
>immediately find a wealth of insight
>tfw reading 4 or 5 books by non-musicologists immediately makes me better at understanding music than an entire education in musicology
>tfw a minimum of theory and ad hoc research is all you need to understand the primordial depths of any composer
>tfw part of a small elite who actually enjoy music, while everyone who thinks they "enjoy music" is actually only accessing 10% of it
>tfw i try to educate my musicologist chums about my discovery
>tfw they don't understand, too retarded, just keep talking about how chainsmokers' third producer is mixing latin folk beats into their newest prolefeed album

Enough talk about meme performances

What's your favorite performance from the past 5 years?

I'm thinking for my amusement to transpose popular coloratura soprano arias to a bass-baritone voice, but it seems like a lot of effort and it might not even be as funny as I imagine.

>>73555395
the titty fuck your mom gave me last week was definitely up there

is there any kind of 'road map' for learning the piano? what are the /mu/ approved books for this

File: busoni.jpg (50KB, 500x492px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 500x492px

Anyone have this? Pls upload

>>73555461
do it

Man French is such a gay language

>>73555303
interesting. what are some good books to read anon?

Hi /classical/, I'm looking for some imposing/brooding music similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QX-rSLkQRQ
I know film music is pleb-tier but it's just an example of the mood. Any suggestions?

>>73555898

sniff around some concertos, take your pick: brahms, beethoeven, etc

>>73555476
Overrated

>>73555512
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star -> Goldberg Variation 2 -> Hammerklavier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrYTS1nAFJc
https://youtu.be/MIGbh_TMH5Y?t=378
Can't decide whether piano or harpsichord is better

File: mahlerstanza.jpg (245KB, 800x800px) Image search: [Google]

245KB, 800x800px

>>73554735

>>73557848
More like Gustanza kek
>>73555303
Please enlighten me.

>>73555476
shes not that good.

>>73557848
based gustanza

>>73555516
it's on soulseek

>>73556899
Good thing we don't have to choose.

I like some harpsichords. Others make my ears bleed.

>“I want to remove the notion that classical music is just something for rich educated people,” she says. “It’s not. You don’t have to be educated to enjoy classical music, you get educated by listening to it.”

hogwash

Essential Brahms? Liked Symphony no. 3.

>>73559553

his concertos

File: 1496542573374.png (496KB, 752x661px) Image search: [Google]

496KB, 752x661px

>not liking Dopper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgjBVNxoycE

Why is he so unknown, /mu/?

>>73559528
the rich educated people have the worst taste anyway

File: Apu.jpg (5KB, 190x153px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 190x153px

What are the rules for harmonizing a tone row?

>>73559553
Handel variations are pretty great

>>73560087
Just flip your tone row lol

>>73560038
apologize now

>>73554735
not a big fan of classical here, but Mahler is definitely my favourite composer. I only know a few works by him, his 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th symphonies. what should I listen to now?

>>73561287
the rest of his symphonies if you want.

then try Bruckner's symphonies if you want more long/counterpoint-heavy symphonic works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh4jfyvuy1o

then try some Zemlinsky and Berg, two composers who were influenced by him quite a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZWsfv9J1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6U8AqRNyU8

>>73561426
>the rest of his symphonies if you want
any particular order? what about non symphonic works?
thanks for the links, I'll give it a listen

>>73561491
you can listen to them in any order, but obviously chronological would give you a better sense of the development there.

his lieder are pretty good as well, i prefer them on the piano when it's available. Das Lied and Kindertotenlieder are symphonic-only, though.

>>73561287
>>73561491
3rd, 6th, 8th, Das Lied von der Erde, Kindertotenlieder
By R. Strauss, listen to Also Sprach Zarathustra, Death and Transfiguration, Metamorphosen, Alpine Symphony, Don Juan, Four Last Songs

>>73561491
you can pick up all of his discography in the second mega link in op

>>73561287
Listen to every interpretation of his 9th over and over desu

>>73559553
Organ works

>>73561632
>Metamorphosen
>Four Last Songs
Specially these two. So good.

>>73559553
Other three symphonies, requiem, quintets and quartets

>>73555303
Why is that people always say this without providing any links to their supposedly brilliant sources of knowledge?

>>73562304
because he's an autistic weeb that's fishing for (you)s by trying to out-hipster the hipsters

Is there a better volumic work than Bartók's Mikrokosmos?

>>73555395
peter laul's beethoven "cycle"

You know what I don't understand? Martha Argerich is a very prolific recording artist, yet she has only recorded the Rachmaninoff piano concerto No. 3. Why hasn't she recorded the whole 4 pieces? I would love to have a Martha Argerich Rachmaninoff collection of all the pieces, that would be ideal. She can still record and do concerts, yet after all these years she still hasn't done it. She also hasn't done the Chopin Nocturnes. We have Rubinstein for that, at least. Maybe she feels that there's no reason to record another version of the Concertos, seeing as there's already many good interpretations and one recorded by Rachmaninoff himself.

Dante Quartet

>>73564559
>I would love to have a Martha Argerich Rachmaninoff collection of all the pieces, that would be ideal.
hey reddit

>>73564886
Yikes.

>>73559553
Cello sonata in Em

>>73561287
His 6th and his piano quartet.

>>73564559
Petzold

>>73564559
imagine being this stupid

>>73565882
What now?

File: quartet6[1].jpg (71KB, 600x354px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 600x354px

So I'm getting really into string quartets, and some time ago someone suggested I start with the Haydns, the Beethovens, and the Mozarts.

Thing is, I've never really been a fan of Mozart, as his stuff tends to be too consonant and "merry" for my tastes. Did Mozart actually contribute that much to the genre? Should I actually get all of his quartets or just the "Haydn quartets" or what?

>>73566226
yes, even if they aren't as good as his quintets, Mozart contributed a lot. Schoenberg, for instance, said he learned everything about Quartet writing from him.

get the Haydn Quartets, the Hoffmeister, and all the Prussians

if you don't like Mozart at his super cheery, i suppose you can stick to the D minor (K. 421)

seriously consider listening to his Quintets, though. in my opinion it's Mozart chamber at its best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mNZODlbq2U

What does /classical/ think of collection related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPZ-Cflb38Q

>>73566226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VxIIJWlyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI04gcrVVYE

File: 1470956749265.png (77KB, 752x612px) Image search: [Google]

77KB, 752x612px

>>73566226
>I've never really been a fan of Mozart, as his stuff tends to be too consonant and "merry" for my tastes
You'll never make it. Have these as a consolation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0icMbH7vN5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYriC3gm2yI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3y79z3Uxb4

>>73566285
I'm pretty sure I could listen to Hans Keller explain his morning shit and I would still find it soothing to listen to.

File: z.jpg (30KB, 302x646px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 302x646px

can't listen to aesthetic tunes without an aesthetic physique

File: MI0003272553.jpg (71KB, 500x503px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 500x503px

this looks good, specially for the chamber arrangement of prelude

anyone has it?

>>73555303

This is such garbage

File: luddy van b.jpg (67KB, 500x699px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 500x699px

Can somebody recommend me music similar to Beethoven's Grand Fugue, op. 133? Or anything "contemporary" sounding that's from the Classical era or earlier.

>>73566569
christ his hair is so dumb

>>73567596
String Quartets of Bartók come to mind

>>73567596
You want more fugues
https://youtu.be/rRP7nJh6Fcw?t=2371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaaXVwAZLro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagJ5dUqgGk

>>73561287
>not a big fan of classical here, but Mahler is definitely my favourite composer

You repeat yourself, sir.

Mozart (fptmiu)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WAvvRHnA_k

>>73556471
>B*g
>harder than Twinkle Twinkle Little Star

>>73566267
Better than the Orff version but both are good.

File: Liszt: The Two Piano Concertos The Piano Sonata (by Sviatoslav Richter, London Symphony Orchestra & Kirill Kondrashin).jpg (1MB, 1200x1200px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1200x1200px

I've only heard a few opera, some solo piano works, and obvious symphonies so I'm all open for essentials.
What's something that sounds this 'good' that isn't required to be played in the most homoerotic fashion possible?

>>73568541
>What's something that sounds this 'good' that isn't required to be played in the most homoerotic fashion possible?
I have no idea what you mean by this, but if you want more romantic piano concerti, then try Grieg and Saint-Saens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y44T-hmFGvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozn4C3AmEi0

>>73568591
I can go back and listen to it from the beginning taking notes as I go along, but I have no idea which language to use in those notes not knowing much more than basic harmonic analysis and still getting confused by transposing instruments.
It reminds me of the more 'avant-garde' jazz pieces where the piano constitutes a build and release of tension rather than a mere chordal framework, which of course means that as jazz progresses it merely rips off a newer generation of art music.
But this doesn't explain at all why I find Liszt more interesting than what little other music I've heard, so those essentials would help, with preferably a book explaining them,

>>73564886
>>73565882
Why does this make me stupid? I really like Martha Argerich's work. I've never heard better recordings of the Prokofiev paino concertos.

>>73569026
Cause Rach is shit

>>73566226
Start with Shostakovich 8, then move on to the rest of Shostakovich's. Try Janacek's as well.

>>73566226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YAzUC6LzNk

Give us your favourite C minor pieces.

Where to cop out of print records besides ebay?

>>73569342
How the hell is Rachmaninoff shit? I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was dealing with those of shit taste.

>>73570833
it's just the /classical/ bandwagon against Rach, Tchai, and Chopin.

>>73571044
What nonsense. Especially Chopin. The Nocturnes are some of the most special pieces of music to me in the world.

File: 1659a3f9f5fa0d8788ce5421a1170064e1fcedd86414e5d2a23dc90fea15ca18.jpg (262KB, 889x1126px) Image search: [Google]

262KB, 889x1126px

>>73571044
>Chopin.

>>73571044
chopin isn't even a composer

File: chopin-unknown-portrait.jpg (48KB, 480x667px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 480x667px

>>73571160
*awkwardly glissandos into desired key*

>>73566226

Ravel's quartet in F is nice.

>>73567690
>>73567652
Thanks guise

>comp professor references Marx
>call him a commie and walk out

File: 20170625_093010.jpg (3MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4032x3024px

>>73566226
Don't like Schoenberg much either, but point taken. Got an opinion on the Berg recording of those quartets?

>>73569483
Actually, the Shosta's are what got me into the genre. I was asking more about having more complete insight into the genre than just more stuff that I might like.

>>73569999
Well, I can't ignore those quads

>>73567596
op. 133 fugue orchestration by furtwängler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSfcE3HH7dk

another orchestration by donhnanyi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weEGDmtpSI

>>73567690
hammerklavier fugue orchestration by weingartner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LqEnF1TiA

> Nietzsche had suggested such an orchestration:
> In the lives of great artists, there are unfortunate contingencies which, for example, force the painter to sketch his most significant picture as only a fleeting thought, or which forced Beethoven to leave us only the unsatisfying piano reduction of a symphony in certain great piano sonatas (the great B flat major). In such cases, the artist coming after should try to correct the great men's lives after the fact; for example, a master of all orchestral effects would do so by restoring to life the symphony that had suffered an apparent pianistic death.

>>73571838
oops. meant to respond to

>>73566263
Got an opinion on the Berg Quartet recording of the Hadyns the Hoffmeister and the Prussians?

>>73572844
Hagen is good too
Mosaiques for period instruments if you want that

Daquin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bf-Cpw8oJc

File: NietzscheNeinMarx-1.jpg (137KB, 465x502px) Image search: [Google]

137KB, 465x502px

>>73571679

>>73570407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rDGc69FQcY

>>73574146
Joseph Marx

What's your favorite Janacek recording, Anons?

File: 1280x1280.jpg (152KB, 1280x1280px) Image search: [Google]

152KB, 1280x1280px

>>73574385

>>73574385
Firkušný, of course.

Czech em btw.

Who is your preference for Mozart symphonies 25 and 40?

So far, I think I would have to go with Rudolf Barshai.

>>73574723
>25
probably some Klemperer performance
>40
Furtwangler or Harnoncourt's earlier one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHetvDqnkzE
Was it autism?
why did Beethoven care so much about a penny?

What is your preferred method for organising classical music in a hierarchy file system?

Do you keep classical with vernacular?

File: sui.jpg (10KB, 225x225px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 225x225px

give me some DSCM (depressive suicidal classical music) for my feels after my BTC and ETH are crashing like crazy.

>>73575999
Composer -> Date - Op. # - Title -> Files

>>73574723
horenstein in 40

i like this too, even if the acoustic is a little soupy
https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/15

>>73574723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVZSfIQos4

Step aside, plebs. Norrington has arrived.

Boulez or Klemperer for Mahler 2?

>>73578286
Klemp

>>73554735

>Mahler

Might as well listen to Max Steiner at that point.

>"le don't listen to mahler maymay xDDD!! gib me upboats!! haha i'm so cool!"

>>73579073
At least make your falseflags believable, anon.

>>73579096

Mahler's symphonies are a milestone of classical music and are supreme testaments to humankind.

>>73579213
ok what should I listen to first. ninth symphony? I hear that one mentioned a lot.

Preferred duo for the Beethoven violin sonatas?

>>73579236

The ninth is good, but having been versed in his other works is a well worth time investment to really appreciate it.

Besides the ninth, his eighth is amazing. Don't forget to visit his song cycles too.

Definitely listen to his first though.

Does anyone have Carl Czerny : A Rediscovered Genius?

>>73578286
Mehta.

Anyone happen to have or know where to find a kind of dictionary of sheet music symbols and their meanings?

>>73578286
>Boulez or Klemperer
Klemperer, or better yet, Ivan Fischer

>>73579236
Listen to 1 & 2 first, the 5th is his best though

>>73579213

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>73580627

truth must hurt

>>73580469
How is this Bernstein version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQFjDBFXN58

I guess it doesn't really matter since I'm still kind of inexperienced and some anon was saying that being picky about particular performances is only necessary once you're well acquainted with a piece.

File: __izayoi_sakuya_and_remilia_scarlet_touhou_drawn_by_odaneru_apart__68511f8cf306fc15718aac14fd6abcdf.jpg (305KB, 1240x1748px) Image search: [Google]

305KB, 1240x1748px

>>73570407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrbr8K9reEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9lO5NkWufs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-QzU9EZUXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui598mTAAs
>>73574242
CPE has some good shit. The Sanguineus and Melancholicus sonata is underrated as fuck.

>>73570407
Why does the key matter? Couldn't you just take any "minor" piece you like and transpose it to whatever minor key you want?

>>73570407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-bcaKKxx0Q

>>73581269
>he's an equal temperament cuck

>>73576432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwVJrSbHbyM

>>73581280
u wot m8.
nah I was asking in earnest. I am pretty new, more of a lurker.

>>73555303
top bait desu senpai

>>73576432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFTKGRn19aA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A6fzKF3LVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdlcwceQ-Iw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hriMH4MsImc

Mahler's First Symphony Third Movement at the beginning reminds me of a nursery rhyme or song but I can't put my finger on it.

>>73581384
>>73581523
thank you. my favorite kind of music is darker stuff, the heavier stuff.

>>73581033
Just get the performances from the second mega link in OP, they're about the best available

>>73581533
It's frère jacques in a minor key

>>73581637
>The opening of the third movement features a double bass soloist performing a variation on the theme of "Frère Jacques", distinguishing it as one of the few symphonic pieces to use the instrument in such a manner. Mahler uses the song, which he cites as "Bruder Martin",[1] changed from major to minor, thus giving the piece the character of a funeral march. The mode change to minor is not an invention by Mahler, as is often believed, but rather the way this round was sung in the 19th and early 20th century in Austria.[2][3]
Interesting, I didn't know one could just do that. I mean, I guess I don't see why you couldn't, just that it seems kind of odd. I don't know.

>>73581778
All the 'old' traditional songs are public domain anyway. You can use them as much as you like. The question is: would you want to use them? If your piece is made up entirely of unaltered traditional songs, people will think you're unoriginal or uncreative.

Usually composers have a good reason for quoting traditional songs - I'm sure Mahler had some symbolic reason for using it.

There's a section in my 1st symphony where traditional songs from different countries are combined to represent the influx of various peoples during the gold rush in our country in the 19th century. Its one of the few times I've quoted traditional songs. Although I have written a fugue on the subject of our national anthem...

ok just finished Mahler's 1st Symphony. Another observation: the last two notes sound identical to the first two notes of Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Has anyone else noticed this and do you think it was deliberate if so?

>>73581613
Hmm.. I wonder who could be behind this post..

>>73582273
What did he mean by this, /classical/

>>73582295
You know what I mean, Papillon.

>>73582273
Well, I did upload them there for a reason, so

>>73582394
i forgot papilon was even a trip

>>73582508
He still posts, just anonymously. I can tell because I'm an autist and remember everyone's performance taste for some reason.

>>73582529
>I'm an autist
isn't that a requirement to post here?

Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFOFwPDBMH4

File: mahler1.jpg (458KB, 978x959px) Image search: [Google]

458KB, 978x959px

>>73581004

Must be why you live in fantasy and lies.

>>73579236
9, 2, 5, 8, 3 then kys

>>73582806
That's pretty fucking baller. He could conduct and play a horn which summons forth animals, and at the same time? Mad skills.

File: tumblr_n287gkBSXq1qhwttfo1_500.jpg (23KB, 449x365px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 449x365px

>>73582849

Yes, all that and he sickened the audience at the same time. Truly a multi talented individual.

>>73582529
I rarely post

File: CPoupqOUAAAifKQ.jpg (26KB, 500x504px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 500x504px

>>73582166
>2 notes

File: Emil-cioran-3.jpg (430KB, 1396x1667px) Image search: [Google]

430KB, 1396x1667px

>>73579213
That might be true

File: suic.jpg (9KB, 480x346px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 480x346px

>>73582832
already listened to 1 and 2. will still listen to the rest and then kill myself.

>>73583366
listen to it and tell me you don't anticipate the gsoat starting up, then tell me you're sorry for being a smartass.

>>73582832
>not 7
>not 1
>not 4 or 6

Why are you telling him to listen to the worst ones?

File: Corb.jpg (21KB, 506x506px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 506x506px

>>73583561
Oh you meant 2 chords. How quaint

>when the mahler is too fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_1SVU3LLBc

>>73583608
grrrr you've trolled me into suicide mode grrrrrrrrr so angery grrrrrrr i can't believe you did that you're probably laughing while I'm fuming over here grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

File: Mahler.jpg (7KB, 224x168px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 224x168px

>>73583794
Impossible. We want to get it out of the way as soon as possible so let Mahler accelerate to mach speed I say.

>>73583794
Scherchen likes to cut

File: koakuma_marisa.png (68KB, 268x292px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 268x292px

>>73581416

>>73583925
tell him to lay off the anavar

File: patchouli_thicc.png (225KB, 292x442px) Image search: [Google]

225KB, 292x442px

>>73584026
Did you mean DNP?

>>73583977
me on left, you on right.
mahler's second was kind of boring to me. yawn. three is shaping up to be a wild old ride.

What's everyone's favorite Touhou doujin?

>>73584044
yeah and clenbuterol. he's tweaking like a fiend.

>>73584078
Fuark gotta do whatever it takes

>>73584054
5 is where the shit goes down. Still my favorite.

>>73584133
looking forward to it. being a chronological fag over here. Mahler uses the trumpets almost as much if not more than lil Wagner. They stand out more in both of their works compared to other important composers. Agree or disagree?

>>73584178
It's fairly typical in the late romantics, but Wagner was indeed one of Mahler's biggest influences.

And I would kill for a time machine to hear him conduct anything related to Wagner. According to Bruno Walter, no one came even remotely close to being as good as Mahler was in Wagner's works.

Recently Discovered Erik Satie Gymnopédie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6YJkdNHTzY

>>73584931
i almost thought i was tricked for a second there

Honest thoughts on Penderecki? I was meh about him but hearing his Threnody in the latest Twin Peaks episode sparked an interest for his stuff.

>>73585005
wow lynch used penderecki? I was impressed by kubrick's taste. he included ligeti in 2001 and eyes wide shut.

>>73584077
I like the one where the Prismrivers performed Vivaldi's spring at Hakugyokurou and resurrected Saigyou Ayakashi

>>73585005
Wew that episode. I wasn't expecting anything that far out.

>>73585056
Lynch has semi-decent music taste. Not as good as Kubrick's, though.

Best use of classical in television media is in Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Expert use of Bolero in the movie.

>>73585005
Usually the threnody is the first thing people listen to of his. What had you heard before that?

>>73585215
I've only heard the Threnody, i thought it sucked the couple times i heard it but watching it in the episode just made it click for me.

>>73585005
Just got a 2CD set of Penderecki conducting his own works. I think he's great.

What do you guys think of this piece?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5hYjWfPNYE

>>73585444
trips/10

File: IMG_2734.png (822KB, 1536x2048px) Image search: [Google]

822KB, 1536x2048px

Guess

>>73586234
Liszt Etude

File: Weekend-Image-6.jpg (61KB, 500x299px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 500x299px

Bump

File: aw-siasoj.png (987KB, 1435x1057px) Image search: [Google]

987KB, 1435x1057px

>>73585444
Fine work but the Romantic piano concerto literature is so incredibly rich that it's difficult for lesser known composers to stand out and get the recognition they deserve. I do wish more people would explore beyond the typical Rach/Prokofiev/Saint-Saens/Grieg/Tchaik affairs. Not that there's anything wrong with their work, I'd just rather hear something from Medtner, Feinberg, Busoni, Schedrin, or Rubinstein than Rach 2 for the umpteenth time because I can't see any difference from 'the greats' in the quality of their writing that would warrant their underexposure. Mozart and Beethoven definitely deserve it, though, they're -that- good compared to everyone else from that time frame, it's mostly just the Romantics that are a bit bloated.

>>73586234
Heh, I was only using ten percent of my power...

Rec me a few essential composers.

>>73588379
Chopin is literally all you need

>>73588391

Already listened to all he wrote. I'm currently trying to fill in the gaps in regards to composers.

>>73588379
bach, mozart, beethoven

Are there multiple Furtwangler recordings of Beethoven's 9th?

>>73588843
I ask because the one I have is filled to the brim with coughing and throat clearing.

>>73588627

Already listened to them.

>>73588843
Yes.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/839640-Wilhelm-Furtw%C3%A4ngler?query=op.%20125

>>73588887
Have you understood them?

>>73588887
mendelssohn, schumann, strauss

>>73589204

Thank you, anon. I'll try Schumann.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Is Kreutzer Beethoven's best work?

>>73589458
literally whom

>>73581971
>There's a section in my 1st symphony where traditional songs from different countries are combined to represent the influx of various peoples during the gold rush in our country in the 19th century
sounds terrible desu

>>73588379
haydn

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d50wroJBU_8

>>73589683
>traditional songs from different countries are combined to represent the influx of various peoples
>mahler was Jewish
Do the math.

Summer or Winter

>>73590327
Poly is talking about his own composition, though.

>>73590443
Is he Jewish?

File: ca8.jpg (45KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 600x600px

>>73590406
Definitely winter senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISgCHFDvbM4

Rameau

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjE93LvKEM

>>73591549
Rameau.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGkC94O3r3g

>>73591618
Rameau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFPw24UZZMU

>hey do you want to hear new ideas and ways of showing emotion in music
>nah let's keep excavating Beethoven's corpse and talk about 50 conductors doing the same music instead

Why does /classical/ have such bad taste

>>73592257
Share your superior taste. Educate us proles, please.

>>73592257
no one is talking about 50 conductors performing beethoven tho

File: 474527_1-tt-width-418-height-500-crop-1-bgcolor-ffffff-lazyload-0.jpg (38KB, 418x500px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 418x500px

Hey /classical/ I'm looking for music that fits war and battles. I desire grandeur.

Can anyone point me in any specific direction, extremely open here. Don't know much about classical and want to open some doors.

>>73592374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MjPsYs6b8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpzWjnrAVE

>>73592374
>>73592647
Reccing these, also listen to Symphony No. 7, which was famously first played during the Leningrad siege.

Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance marches are pretty militaristic, despite No.1 being obnoxiously overused as a college grad noisemaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Zh4hQi9SQ

>>73592374

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5favl2Qtx0
great visualisation!

>>73592374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._3_(Beethoven)#Dedication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHD189DAp0

>>73592374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVJTQcOMLQw

Time for the listing of Wind focused repertoire as wind instruments get no love because ,,Muh Streicht". I will list the instruments post by post due to length of this. Might keep a past somewhere eventually. Will attempt to make it chronological and categorize it by composer as well. This will be only Instrument+Piano, Instrument+Orchestra, and combination of instruments will be in its own collection if it's mostly wind instrument. If I forgot any staples, let me know.

No.1 Clarinet Focus Post pt.1
>Wolfgang Amadaeus Mozart
Clarinet Concert in A KV 622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKy967puebk (Martin Frost is a great performer for technical prowess)

>Johannes Brahms
Sonata no.1 in f op.120 No.1
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM_04XxkeLQ
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_5oqNnm5E
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McU15-Afkl8
IV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zBo08uDGoY
( I highly recommend Reginald Kell as a player to listen for recordings of clarinet repertoire pre 1975)
Sonata no.2 in Eb op.120 No.2
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SbVMo6lxUg
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zURPRzw4Zz4
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00w3hqSXlN0

>Camille Saint-Saens
Sonata for Clarinet and Piano in Eb Op.167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHt4PFKiQE0

>Claude Debussy
Premiere Rhapsodie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpER42Se64 (I use this recording due to the caliber of both of these players.)


>Paul Hindemith
Sonate for Clarinet and Piano in B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXoyDaTPs0

>Leonard Bernstein
Sonata for Clarinet and Piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnyFhyidOPc

>Francis Poulenc
Sonata for Clarinet and Piano FP 184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-5NXj2DJA
Sonata for two Clarinets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPBnJWxTU-c
I'll post the gaps and finish the rest on next post for Clarinet

>>73592257
Because 90% of new ideas comprises of unbearable academic wankery.

>>73593338

No.1 Clarinet Focus post pt.2

>Carl Maria Von Weber
Clarinet Concerto No.1 in f
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gL5U4ILFc&spfreload=1
Clarinet Concerto No.2 in Eb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO4xdlPCjIM
Concertino in Eb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9oxnm66bY
Grand Duo Concertant
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxVuBd1InE
>Giachino Rossini
Introduction Theme and Variations for Clarinet and Orchestra in Bb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOp9aYQ09lU

>Carl Nielsen
Clarinet Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESgpQ0fCHSQ (There's a skip at the 14min mark unfortunately, but the rest of the recording is phenomenal. Stanley Drucker is also a great modern clarinetist for staples.)

>Igor Stravinsky
Three Pieces for Clarinet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2EU2ANOLU8

>Paul Hindemith
Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpussBdoS2w

>Darius Milhaud
Scaramouche for Clarinet ( There are other arrangements but the one for Clarinet and the other for Saxophone are the most prominent versions. May post with Saxophone repertoire)
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNqaSHMwatE
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbV3looP03g
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inquotQkzBw

>Alec Templeton
Pocket Size Sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbHKo1S0_yI ( I highly recommend Reginald Kell as a player to listen for recordings of clarinet repertoire pre 1975)

>Aaron Copland
Concerto for Clarinet and String Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GnJBLwOjFo

>Jean Francaix
Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq4sONQhABI
Tema con Variazioni for Clarinet and Piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Wamo3shCM

>Malcolm Arnold
Sonata for Clarinet and Piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7T-Zxw0hAA

Here is all I got on in memory for clarinet repertoire. Next part : Flute

>>73593685
didn't beethoven do anything of value?

>>73593685
>Stravinsky
>no Ebony Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klQY_X1clMs

>>73593782
Only his Trio, which I said I would exclude chamber pieces of more than 2 instruments unless the piece originally consists of wind instruments in the majority.

>>73593928
What the fuck? I ain't never knew this existed. Damn, I can't believe I could forget this. Thanks for the update.

File: R-4491071-1455542109-8005.jpeg[1].jpg (69KB, 600x594px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 600x594px

>>73594058
Then you probably need to listen picrealted.

>>73593498
Ah yes because the piano, even temperament and the major and minor systems are just academic wankery. Who the fuck likes those things?
>inb4 much 90%
Just because you can pull a number out of your ass doesn't make that number true. The classical tradition is one of constant innovation. If 90% of innovations are wank then 90% of the innovations on those would be wank. We would have stopped having good music 600 years ago.

>>73567596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a63RsZC8jLk
> the closing fugue on "Et vitam venturi saeculi" that includes one of the most difficult passages in the choral repertoire, when the subject returns at doubled tempo for a thrilling conclusion.

>>73593338
>not posting the definitive interpretation of KV 622

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9390xDUuPuU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbUqKvpmPfU

Gabriel Faure

>>73594864
sucks

>>73594969
No he doesn't

>>73594969
More proof Faure is underrated.

File: __saigyouji_yuyuko_touhou_drawn_by_monrooru__7fba2be292be534acc892518732f23ca.jpg (166KB, 800x1131px) Image search: [Google]

166KB, 800x1131px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au1gTdVjgew

>>73594864
What shoudl I listen to by him

>>73574385
the ending is perfect imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6GI3ROj8c

Who is your preference for Mahler 6?

>>73596416
Sanderling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuFkhhH6BJY

You guys like Czerny?

What is to blame for me trying to listen to Bach's Mass in B Minor and constantly falling off after the first few movements and finishing it feeling bored and unsatisfied? Is it Bach, the Mass setting, or me?

Karajan and Bernstein tend to get a bit of flak, but can anyone suggest recordings in which they've been great?

Part 2: Flute, this is where I may begin to lose on what is and what isn't there, so if you could help me fill this out. Please do. It may consist entirely of Bach Flute Sonatas so get ready.
>Johann Sebastian Bach
Brandenburg Concerto No.4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6hQvvhqfJo
Flute Sonata in e BWV 1034
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=3m13s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=5m53s
IV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=9m36s
Flute Sonata in E BWV 1035
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=14m18s
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=16m38s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=19m34s
IV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=23m12s
Flute Sonata in b BWV 1030
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=26m10s
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=34m13s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=38m00s
Flute Sonata in A BWV 1032
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=43m49s
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=49m02s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=52m00s
Flute Sonata in C BWV 1033
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=56m16s
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=58m01s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h40s
IV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h2m25s
Sonata for Flute and Harpsichord in Eb BWV 1031
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h5m33s
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h9m15s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h11m28s
Flute Sonata in g BWV 1020
I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h16m10s
II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h20m16s
III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=com5gPoZ8sI?t=1h23m13s

Will post the rest soon.

>>73596985
>suggest recordings in which they've been great

the vast majority

I don't really like either but they're great musicians and if you dispute this you're just being contrarian

>>73597071
are you planning on doing trumpet, I could probably help

>>73597071
Well that was a huge waste. It did nothing with the time statements. Ah well, all the Flute sonatas are there by Bach.
>>73597089
The only knowledge I have of trumpets are Hindemith,Haydn,Francaix, and Handel. Outside of those 4, I am lost. So any help would be good. I will work on the brass after I finish Flute oboe Bassoon and Sax.

Is there a better recording of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4uXV0KoIs

File: 媽的智障.jpg (114KB, 392x470px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 392x470px

>>73597071
>timestamping movements where all movements are already in the same video
Are you fucking serious?

>>73597240
I'm an idiot, I know. I'll try to fix it with separate videos and descriptions.
And for Videos involving separate movements. Would it be kinder to add the names of said movements besides " I. II. III." (Tempo markings).

File: %E5%A6%88%E7%9A%84%E6%99%BA%E9%9A%9C.jpg (128KB, 450x641px) Image search: [Google]

128KB, 450x641px

>>73597333
What the fuck even is the point of posting names of pieces along side links? Do you just have to be as obnoxious as possible?

>>73597448
I think he's just trying to be helpful, anon.

>>73597448
Yes. And a higher categorization that isn't redundant. (From my POV you have to click the link to see the title).

And it saves time for people who want more organized things. Is there honestly a problem besides your preference of how things are categorized?

>>73597604
>Is there honestly a problem
Yes, it's called cluttering up the thread and spamming. Put it all into a pastebin or something.

>>73597664
If you have that much of a problem why don't you hide his posts. He has a name for a reason.

>>73597664
Well already starting doing thatm and I guess I should.
Sorry, I usually just make a short post with like 8-9 links then stop. I'll correct the
problem with the previous link thing. You're also complaining about long spammy posts
in a thread with usually long posts.

Also, I am rather lost on The flute repertoire in the years between Debussy and Hindemith.

>>73596514
it's nice to be able to understand works like the Bach mass because it's a long way to go and a lot of time to collect the necessary experience. It's not the purpose of the work to satisfy your urge to confirm your view of your musical taste.

>>73597738
>in a thread with usually long posts.
Those posts usually have discussions and content and not just link spams. Get over yourself.

>>73597742
But this is Bach, the epitome of making sense musically. It's just a very long piece with comparatively not much going on.

>>73597853
wait a few years and then listen again

>>73595875
His mass

Why was Haydn so obsessed with development in his string quartets?

critical update
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/alimal/a-guide-to-20th-century-classical/

>>73597738
https://pastebin.com/WHnefXZt
A paste of the list so far due to issues with link spams posted on here, I have stopped at Oboe due to unfamiliarity but will continue with the other instruments at a later date. Feel free to change whatever I need to add to the listings of what I forgot.

>>73598236
>20th century
>No Jean Francaix

>>73592374
Mahler 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEo1PsSmbg

>>73592257
Beethoven reached heights of emotional expression rarely surpassed.

By all means, post more emotional music from after Beethoven's death.

>>73598236
Is there anyone in that website that isn't a huge hipster?

>>73598486
there's all kinds of users, not that i would pay attention to any of them, i just use to keep track of my music and make some lists for self reference

>>73598266
who?

>>73596985
>Karajan
mostly live recordings and earlier recordings (40s-60s)

Karajan was kind of his own worst enemy. Some of the worst sounding stereo recordings belong to him, and it's mostly thanks to his overabundance of meddling into the recording process.

pre-DG / NY Bernstein is much more interesting than late Bernstein imo

>>73598252
Here's a few for you:
Eve de Castro-Robinson - Pearls of the sea (for Bass flute and harp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7hFKqSdKao

John Psathas - Omnifenix (Saxophone Concerto)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_cKIBRJpGQ

Stockhausen - in Freundschaft (for clarinet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEDPBLM7tS0

>>73598705
I'm handling the off pieces (ones that aren't "For Instrument and Piano/Orchestra") until way at the end since that will get more diluted in categories. And Thanks for saxophone piece I always need more.

>>73555395
My uncle (player in SF's ballet) got me a ticket to see Swan Lake a few months ago. I finally understood what makes a good ballet, and now I'm into Tchaikovsky more than I was before.

>>73599536
Was it Swan Lake or the Nutcracker that Tchaikovsky hated?

>>73599593
Swan Lake

>>73599653
Why?

>>73598782
Need bassoon rep?

>>73588843
There's 2 1951 Bayreuth recordings and a 1942 recording for Der Fuhrer's birthday.

>>73589683
The music from Peer Gynt (the actual incidental music not the suite) has a cool scene like that.

>>73601242
you're missing about 10 others

>>73592374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o77jAw4KVY

>>73596985
Karajan's Madame Butterfly and Bernstein's documentary/ performance of West Side Story from the 80s.

>>73601288
Those are the most important ones everyone remembers.

>>73554735
Someone recomend me some russian romanticism that ISN'T tchaikovsky or rachmaninov.

>>73601375
i'm not positive but i think the 1954 one has always been more popular.

also, you're thinking about the wrong 1942 one. the Hitler birthday one is in limited circulation (mainly known from the Archipel issue) and is in truly limited and horrible sound. the more well known 1942 one is the one from March, and Hitler was not in attendance.

>>73601394
The Mighty Handful

>>73600858
Sure, just hit me up with some Bassoon+accompaniment piece. I only know Clarinets and Saxophones. Preferably YouTube accessible Due to recording limitations and I actually believe should keep in mind of my friend who wanted that archive done for overall composers.

>>73592374
Paul Hindemith-Trumpet sonata.

>>73596985
Bernstein's Copland

>>73601394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c69RkfsdguE

Post a piece that only YOU like

>>73601394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXIltZCAaxE

>>73602591
https://youtu.be/u9SBbcXKzHQ
>Tfw 20th century French Neoclassicism is dead.

>>73602016
Saint-Saens - Sonata
Tansman - Sonatine
Hindemith - Sonata
Dutilleux - Satabande et Cortège
Gliere - Impromptu and Humoresque

>>73603177
I'll keep those in mind, not going to be able to update paste til tomorrow or so.

>>73592374
https://youtu.be/DUmq1cpcglQ
Soviet bomb factory

Anyone else that is going through works of one composer? For a few months now I've been listening almost only to Haydn. The plan is to listen to all 106 symphonies. Here's a nice movement:
https://youtu.be/72uv7agb2tY?t=17m46s

>>73603603
I've been doing that with Mahler

>>73595875
rare pavane cello arrangement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJIvffQYPA

>>73604158
>bitch starts talking to me
A woman started talking to you? Take your normie shitposting elsewhere.

>>73604158
>not masturbating regularly
Enjoy that prostate cancer, friend

File: Art of fugue autograph.png (1017KB, 615x829px) Image search: [Google]

1017KB, 615x829px

Art of Bump

>>73605994
This thread is almost dead.

>>73606024
Just like Bach when he wrote the art of fugue

>>73606278
Fitting then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QIfKh4oozw
I've finally been redpilled, where do I find more early renaissance polyphony (I assume that's what it's more or less called)?